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Godsmack: Go to church, watch UFC 107, say three Hail Marys

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So, what are you going to do in church this weekend?

If you didn't answer "Watch UFC 107," you may want to consider joining the congregation over at the Canyon Creek Church in Lynnwood, WA. On Saturday night (Dec. 12), they'll broadcast the "Penn vs. Sanchez" pay-per-view in the holiest of places.

MMA in church may be unusual, but so is the anointed "Fight Pastor" who delivers a series of butt-kicking sermons from the pulpit of his Washington house of worship. As SeattlePI.com explains, Brandon Beals is doing the Lord's work -- and he hopes to spread the good word through Fight Pastor merchandise.

"I'm a mixed-martial arts fan who happens to be a pastor. This is who God made me to be. [Fighting is] the simplest metaphor in the world, because there's so many parallels to persevering, no compromise, working hard, being tenacious, sticking with something, not quitting -- it's a really easy, seamless connection. I'm sure when Fight Pastor (merchandise) becomes a lot more mainstream, I will take a lot of shots from the Christian community. What I'm hoping is that the attention is on the brand and on the ministry and not me. I may be completely naive to think that, but that's what I hope. God's taken my hobby and merged it with my passion and maybe something cool will out of it. We'll see."

Religion in sports is not a new concept. Aside from Jesus getting the credit for 85-percent of all NFL touchdowns, both football and NASCAR have their own chaplains. Also consider many UFC stars of past and present like Matt Hughes and Diego Sanchez are very vocal about their religious beliefs.

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Hopefully the Fight Pastor and his brand of chop-socky worship can peacefully co-exist on the sidelines with the other merchandise brands. Unfortunately as the presence of religion increases, so too does the baggage that comes along with it.

As I'm sure many of us can attest, when two people believe something different, each one thinks the other person is wrong. But hey, that's not exclusive to religion. Hope on to any MMA message board to see human squabbling at its finest. Brock vs. Fedor? Anyone?

In any event, people who used to dread going to church in Canyon Creek may now have something to look forward to. While Beals isn't exactly turning water into wine, he does get his congregation into the spirit by appealing to their love for mixed martial arts.

Anyone out there have a problem with him profiting from it as well?

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Why just use fists?

Arm up with AK-47s and Fight Pastor can join Fight Imam in a Crusade/Jihad and sell some sweet merchandise!

I can’t wait until I see more FIght Pastor vinyl decals than NOTW decals on cars.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Well

I figured I didn’t get enough people riled up with a post about T-Shirt Nazis, thought I’d throw one in there about Jesus clothing too.

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

I thought Jesus Didn’t Tap apparel was more than enough christian representation in MMA. oh well. . .

by haglnuts on Dec 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

I would love to get a fight pastor t-shirt that would be hilarious.

"If you're not a fan of Hulk Hogan, you're not a fan of entertainment in sports"
--Goldberg.
"Kimbo is dominating on the ground"--Rogan
"Kimbo throws that jab to finish fights"--Goldberg

by frosnt1 on Dec 10, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The funniest part

is them streaming the PPV inside his church.

"If you're not a fan of Hulk Hogan, you're not a fan of entertainment in sports"
--Goldberg.
"Kimbo is dominating on the ground"--Rogan
"Kimbo throws that jab to finish fights"--Goldberg

by frosnt1 on Dec 10, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Since we're still on the subject........

My thoughts on the “Nazi” wardrobe debate.

 I couldn’t really care less whether a fighter is allowed to wear certain clothing made by a certain sponsor or not, tbh….but I’m a little disturbed that it took so long for Zuffa to declare this clothing line inappropriate, which indeed they deemed it inappropriate. Everyone knows that Zuffa charges sponsors a fee when fighters wear their clothing, so why did they let it go at first, then change their minds? If Zuffa were in a business partnership with this clothing line and allowed the partnership to continue for a certain period of time, then why are they not issuing an apology to anyone they think would be offended by their very own business decision to allow this clothing to be worn by their fighters? Seems kind of strange that the buck stops at them, but they didn’t apologize for their own misdeed….just sayin’.

Anyway, I think a case can be made for many clothing companies that Zuffa allows their fighters to use as sponsors during their events…..that the clothing is inappropriate. I’m not going to downplay the role of Nazi Germany in the world’s history…..arguably the most disgusting, and vile thing to ever happen on this Earth. I do however know that in the history of the world….religion has been (and still is) one of the most controversial issues on Earth. Many wars were (and still are) going on based on opposing religious belief systems, and I can’t help but notice that many clothing companies base their clothing on religious symbols…even symbology that borders on satanic symbolism.

I guess what I am saying is that Zuffa has every right to draw their own conclusion on whether their fighters clothing is deemed appropriate or not…and if they think the symbolism of that "Reich" clothing barders on "Nazi", then so be it. But for myself (as a person who doesn’t differentiate between one case of bad taste over the next…..it’s all in bad taste)….images of rows of dead bodies, piles of skulls, fire breathing demons, devilish creatures, crosses, etc….. are just as inappropriate as an iron cross, and font that resembles a neo nazi symbol.

I’m sure I’ll be blasted by the hundreds of MMA fans who think their sh#t doesn’t stink because they wear t-shirts with demons and sh#t on them, and I’ll be called a bible thumping idiot and stuff…..but I do know the history of both political wars and religious wars….and one is no better or worse than the other…in God’s eyes.

Just my opinion.

Flame away if you will.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Intro

I think you make a solid point, I guess people have to decide what crosses the line for them and respond accordingly. Lots of gray areas in this issue, for sure.

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Dec 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Truth

Not trying to come off as “Holier then thou”… I just call into question Zuffa’s stance on this one when an arguement can be made that most (not all) MMA clothing may be deemed inappropriate by many people.

Am I a hypocrite for typing that post while wearing a t-shirt with a giant Misfits skull on the front? lol

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You should probably differentiate between the two

for the same reason that you’re wearing a Misfit skull shirt, which, any internet d-bag playing devils advocate can say is just as bad as a shirt with SS bolts and hailing the 4th reich.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

SS bolts?

See, this is why this is a legitate debate.

I saw no “SS” bolts. I saw an “HR” that may resemble the “SS” bolts….just as I see t-shirts with imagery of demons on fighters every day.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to look at the other shirts that JH posted at the bottom of the thread. There is a womans t-shirt (seems like a chicks shirt at least) that has them.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

But you understand..

that demon imagery, like that on your very shirt, that you’re wearing now, is not in the same class as imagery that promotes nazi era germany?

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh.....there are millions and millions of people who have died because of religious beliefs that would probably disagree with you, clover_black

….if they could talk, of course lol

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Which specific demon imagery represents religious genocide?

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Depending on who you ask....probably all of it.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably... Probably not.

i think that’s the point though… Hoelzer Reich was very, VERY specific in their imagery and their agenda… there was no “eh, if you look deeper at the meaning, this could be offensive.”

I’d just chalk it up for a good move on zuffas part.

And just to throw something out there, a lot of apparel companies can get through the cracks, without getting pre-approved by zuffa.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair statement
And just to throw something out there, a lot of apparel companies can get through the cracks, without getting pre-approved by zuffa.

I don’t believe it.

If i were call up a UFC fighter and offer them $5,000 to wear a t-shirt….the UFC get’s remuneration for that agreement. I find it hard to believe that they’d go through the financial part of the deal without checking out the clothing first. JMO

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta trust me on that, from a first hand experience POV.

:)

its the internets, right? our word is golden.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think starting at SS bolts and the 4th Reich is a good place to start, though.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Dec 10, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

i think you have to differentiate between images that may or may not be Satanic in origin and that are similar to fantasy art and images that are clearly meant to celebrate the biggest human atrocity ever committed.

Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.

by P-Dub on Dec 10, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do I have to differentiate?

I guess that’s kind of my point. Nobody has to differentiate between the two.

I could make a solid case that wars and hatred based on religious beliefs outway wars and hatred based on political beliefs….and that imagery splattered on many sponsors t-shirts are just as similar to religious imagery as the “reich” stuff is similar to neo nazi imagery.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you really not see a difference between religious imagery, regardless of how offensive that imagery may be to some people (not me), and images and text that advocate and celebrate the torture and murder of 6 million people?

Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.

by P-Dub on Dec 10, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

"Advocate and celebrate......" ?
images and text that advocate and celebrate the torture and murder of 6 million people?

I’m not sure that is the case…..do you think that maybe it’s just your perception?

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Possible, considering my mom’s side of the family is Jewish. Still, I can’t see a way in which someone would wear that sort of clothing while actually opposing religious genocide.

Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.

by P-Dub on Dec 10, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, to a point

I don’t like, and wouldn’t wear, the skulls and demonic stuff. However, the issue I see here is that when if we keep on this train of thought, by disallowing whatever happens to offend someone (getting into religion for example) soon the fighters won’t have anything to wear. And if I have to watch Big Country fight naked… I’M going to be offended (and more than a little sick).

On the other hand, I think that’s there’s no bad that comes putting the brakes on items with symbology that is almost universally despised and considered offensive.

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair

Especially the Big Country point.

Something we all can agree on I’m sure.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

God and demons are imaginary…Nazis are not.

by Rawwr on Dec 10, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's your opinion

Fair enough

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously I meant God, jay

But, to each his own I guess lol.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

God and demons are imaginary…Nazis are not.

Wow! Now if that’s not a ridiculous and ignorant post, I don’t know what is.

Try putting that on a T Shirt and sponsoring a fighter. May be a few ppl out there that don’t think God is imaginary. Just a hunch though.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

you mean like

1.5 Billion Christians, a billion Muslims, and a few hundred million Jews, Sikhs, Bahais, Zoroastrians, and monotheistic Hindus…just for starters?

by (shonuff) on Dec 10, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

oh and Satanists too

they believe in God, they just don’t like Him much.

by (shonuff) on Dec 10, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Intro, you would complain about Zuffa for any reason what so ever. In this case they were not fast enough at banning a clothing line. I can’t believe that you think that there are not different levels of appropriatness/inappropriatness. Thinking in only black and white can be dangerous.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think my post shows that I'm not thinking in black and white

No?

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

When you say that all thing inappropriate are equal, no. The rest is fine by me.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's in the eye of the beholder, MM_eh

Isn’t whether something is deemed inappropriate or not up to the court of public opinion?

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It sure is, but when you’ve made your mind up that something is just appropriate or not doesn’t leave room for grey. Surely farting in church is better than shitting your pants in church. No?

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking along the lines of starting silent, and then rip, fading to a trolling motor boat sound.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Definetly might be a cloth toucher….I stand corrected.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of No Homo

I find the shorts that have “Condom Depot” written across a guy’s ass to be extremely disgusting and in bad taste. Don’t these guys know that Depot means storage facility. Why would any real man allow his ass to be labeled a storage facility for condoms!?! No amount of sponsor money could drive me to such ill-placed advertising. It’s like having a welcome sign tatood on your rectum!

by (shonuff) on Dec 10, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

In relation to our subject at hand

you are saying farting is the equivelant of “religious attire”, and shitting is the equivelant of “neo nazi” symbolism?

Because, there are many people out there that would disagree with you on that one.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just giving an example of how there are gradients in the world.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

And who’s to say that their theory of “gradients” is more appropriate than someone elses?

Works both ways.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think theirs gels with most people on this forum actually (the public opinion poll) except for a couple of people from yesterday. I’m not even including you in that as you don’t seem bothered either way. I personally am not, but I can see how it’s offensive and not a well thought out t-shirt design.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Also does strikeforce not owe an apology for not banning this fast enough???

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you really that stupid?

Demons are just as inappropriate as iron crosses? Demons, jesus, god=fairy tales. Hitler=actually happened.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude.....I hardly think coming into this thread and throwing around "stupid" is appropriate

Especially considering your whole arguement is based on your lack of a belief system…..irregardless of the fact that the vast majority of people on Earth do in fact have a belief system.

Demons, jesus, god=fairytales

……. is a pretty telling statement that proves you cannot possibly debate this subject without bias.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

irragardless

Isn’t a word. Like math, language uses the double negative standard. Regardless is the word you want.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang!

And I used up all my lifelines already

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You know...

you could make a shirt with that and see if you could sponsor some fighters. ;-)

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The pics are quite amusing in light of the situation though. Ha ha

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What offends me

is Zuffa banning Hendo’s clothing line, omitting Frank Shamrock from the 100 greatest fights, and Randy from Best of 2007.

by (shonuff) on Dec 10, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you might want to know when you are using words that don't exist

I’ve heard that word a million times, and always wondered why people use it. Obviously it is gay to point out spelling and grammar errors and the pics are funny. But I thought you might want to know. And now you know the rest of the story.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

the pics are funny irregardless

dude.....i am

by brendog on Dec 10, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks jay

that “irregardless” thing always irks me too. Using non-words like that is so “disrespectless” to the English language.not to mention completely “unirrellevant” to this discussion.

by (shonuff) on Dec 10, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

so true

If your coming on here just to start a fight by claiming Jesus is a fairy tale, then be gone. Its clear your not open minded enough to debate with in the first place. Nor are you intelligent or non-bias enough.

Oh and ps:

Jesus loves you. Each and everyone. God bless you all.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

I didn’t come here to start a fight at all. And it’s “you’re” and “non-biased” but I’m not intelligent enough to know that, right?

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

brizzle t

See pics above. THX

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

But if you’re going to be arrogant enough to assume something about someone on the internet, at least spell right.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You're leaving me no choice but to pull out Samuel twice in one thread.........

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

that’s awesome.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. Learn it. Know it. Live it.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And I care what you think is appropriate, because?

You’re the idiot who thinks demons are as offensive as Nazis, when the two are totally incongruent to any rational human being, but you’re obviously not one. Not saying I’m totally rational, but I know enough to know that a group of people who kill other people being glorified is wayyyyy more offensive than a mythical creature on a t-shirt. Get off your soap box.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Religion=stupid

How’s that grab ya? And any debate has bias on both sides you sanctimonious douche.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Very enlightening

I’m so glad a solid debate can be summed up by someone with so many intellectual and thoughtful words.

And we’re on a “soapbox”?

Tsk…tsk.

Godspeed, my friend.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

praise the lord

SING ALLELUJAH!! SING IT SING ALLELUJAH!!!

by sexyama on Dec 10, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

I don't have an issue with it

While I wouldn’t go to church to see an mma event, I believe everyone should be free to worship as they see fit (excluding the obvious situations where others are placed in harms way because of it).

Again, I get my mma fix outside of church, and part of my spiritual needs met at church each Sunday. As such, it’s not for me and I think it’s kinda silly. But it’s their right to do it. No one is forcing the folks to attend, and perhaps some good will come from it.

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

I don't see any problem with MMA in Church either.

Many kids are beginning to like the sport and I can see were the church would want to have a fight night for them. I personally would not be able to do it. I like drinking a few adult beverages when watching some good MMA action, and well this is not possible at church.

by MMACHAMP on Dec 10, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

that depends

on which church you attend MMAChamp

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mention Brock

and Diaz and others are not “family friendly”. Even Frank Mir doesn’t want his kids watching because of all the profanity of guys like Brock.

by (shonuff) on Dec 10, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Dakatak

My issue isn’t with you, or the fact of mma in the church. Its the ignorance of the few non familiar names that posted above, and said god/Jesus is a fairy tale. Sounds like trolling to me.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

God is real?

Prove it. Can’t? Stupid argument.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

jay re: god is real?

I can’t prove it. Nor can it be proved God’s fake. But what I’m STILL trying to get at, is coming on here and calling it a fairy tale and then arguing your support or lack there of, for Nazi T shirts, kinda goes out the window, when the poster who writes it, follows it with that type of shit.

We all have our own beliefs. So if I believe in God, and you don’t, I don’t come on here just to tell you God is real, and you all must believe, do I? So why come on here and say God’s not and try to pass it as a fact.

Oh, by the way jay, God EVEN loves you.

:)

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't say God isn't real (this time).

I was just saying or trying to say, It is a stupid argument because it doesn’t have an end. I wasn’t picking sides or flaming anyone for their beliefs. The God argument is tiring and shouldn’t have anthing to do with those gawd awful shirts. I was on your side, I think. lol

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Mc

What you mean Mc? I can put the tail I been taking down up on my profile? No nudies I’m guessing right? Man I need to be more of a techie. I’m awful with this shit. Wonder if I can do it from the BlackBerry.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

jay. OJr

That’s cool I wasn’t trying to flame on you either (no homo ;) ).

OJR, amen to that brother! The single life been very good to me as of late. Tied down for 3 years of….umm…faithfullness…opens doors once your a free man again!
Thank the lord! Hallejuah!

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm an atheist

But I respect other people’s religious beliefs, as long as nobody tries to tell me what to think I won’t try to tell them and I’m not going to get upset with someone because they have different beliefs to me. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. As long as your views and rituals don’t harm others then you are more than welcome to them.

"I’ll continue to watch their events and I hope they’ll (Zuffa) tune in to my fights in Strikeforce. After all, I’m a true fan of our fantastic sport and would love only to see MMA continue to grow."
Dan Henderson, classy.

"The reality is that I pushed him into signing that deal... I wanted him to s**t or get off the pot."
Dana White, classless.

by David W-S on Dec 10, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell this to Brizzle T
Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. As long as your views and rituals don’t harm others then you are more than welcome to them

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree

But the whole “demons are as bad as iron crosses” thing just pissed me off. I’m really not as big of an asshole as I may seem today.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

"demons are as bad as iron crosses"

Nobody said that.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I did.

images of rows of dead bodies, piles of skulls, fire breathing demons, devilish creatures, crosses, etc….. are just as inappropriate as an iron cross, and font that resembles a neo nazi symbol.
That’s what you said.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of twisting it a little, don't you think?
I guess what I am saying is that Zuffa has every right to draw their own conclusion on whether their fighters clothing is deemed appropriate or not…and if they think the symbolism of that “Reich” clothing barders on “Nazi”, then so be it. But for myself (as a person who doesn’t differentiate between one case of bad taste over the next…..it’s all in bad taste)….images of rows of dead bodies, piles of skulls, fire breathing demons, devilish creatures, crosses, etc….. are just as inappropriate as an iron cross, and font that resembles a neo nazi symbol.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The demons, winged devil creatures, etc. are metaphors. What happened to 6 million of my people less than a century ago was most certainly NOT a metaphor.

Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.

by P-Dub on Dec 10, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok

that doesn’t make a difference. You’re still equating demons with nazis. I don’t remember any demons killing people, but I might be wrong.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad you asked this question

Given the fact that the vast majority of human beings on this Earth believe in some sort of spirituality, and the people who don’t are in the minority……and the vast majority of people on this Earth believe that the holocaust did in fact happen, yet a small minority believes it to be a farce……..

See what I’m getting at?

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Intro, did you just try to equate athiests with holocaust deniers? I hope not.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely not....the opposite, actually

Just using the “majority versus minority” example as one reason the athiest outlook is debatable.

I believe the holocaust happened (majority), as well as I believe Jesus Christ is real (majority).

Just two subjects that we are talking about…….nothing more.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a very round about way to argue a point.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

Just thought the two debates could be intertwined a little lol.

Not claiming the holocaust it fake….I just want to make that clear lol.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Intro the majority is not always right (talking about theism not the holocaust; like stepping on egg shells here eh?). There was a person in history who went against the grain and was in the minority of thought…the one and only historical Jesus.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed it is trolling...

Unfortunately I have a compulsion to feed trolls. I know I shouldn’t, but sometimes it’s just so hard to resist.

And I agree, the imaginary/fairy tale argument is weak. It’s something, as a person of faith who’s not uncomfortable mentioning it, I hear a lot. And you know, it doesn’t become any more compelling over time or frequency.

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Me as well.

I have ‘Jesus’ tattooed on my back. North star on my front, crown of thorns around my bicep, etc. They’ll mean more to me when I’m older and look in the mirror as if to say “Why did I get these?” Then Ill remember, and not be bothered.

Bash me all you want for that people, I don’t bash anyone with skulls and spider webs and flames tattooed on themselves. Long as they like them I can’t be the one that tells them its the wrong tattoo. Their choice.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I have some weird tats too.

I wouldn’t flame someone for their art. None of my business.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What do the now defunct North Stars of Minnesota (NHL) have to do with Jebus Worby?

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

ha ha fuck off MM eh

Good one. You know damn well, the (Minnesota) North Star guided Jesus.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They didn’t guide him to Lord Stanley..LOL

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They had to wander south through a couple thousand miles of desert, I mean farmland, to find the way to Lord Stanley’s Cup.

Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.

by P-Dub on Dec 10, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You speak of the Stars of Dallas P-Dub.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Dec 10, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope this doesn't turn into..

Another posting war……Seems like 300 or so posts of back and forth regurgitated arguements every second day now.

I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!

by tkkpal on Dec 10, 2009 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

LOL

agree pal. We argued this yesterday.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

At least

this is a relatively new topic. We could be arguing over how bad Kimbo sucks or how over-rated Fedor is or isn’t….

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey tkkpal,

The Saved by the Bell conversation was pretty fresh!

by MMACHAMP on Dec 10, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we should just all join the "Church of the Fonz"

Ayyyyy !!!!!!!!!!

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

sorry. communion wine

im not a good catholic

dude.....i am

by brendog on Dec 10, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that really the blood of Christ?

That guy must have been wasted 24 hours a day!

Good times and riches and son of a bitches
I've seen more than I can recall.

by P-Dub on Dec 10, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t his first miracle changing water into wine? Do the math.

by BNF on Dec 10, 2009 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Praise the Lord !!!!

Gonna tie into a bottle of Valpolicella tonight, myself.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thirsty Thursday

intros down with that sickness

dude.....i am

by brendog on Dec 10, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

guilty

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Is this bozo giving the ‘devil horns’ with his right hand?

by thinkaboutit on Dec 10, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Don't know if you're serious...

But if you are, I’d like to introduce to you one of our close friends: Mr. Shop.

First name: Photo.

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Too many bald heads in mma

Like these church-goers, I guess I just create my own reality.

by thinkaboutit on Dec 10, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Shhh

Don’t tell him that ‘guy’ is Dana. And he wasn’t at this church at the time of the photo.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

ha ha jay

Think about it, Thinkboutit and you’d see the idea behind the picture.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks buddy,

for sheltering me from the tyranny of the truth.

by thinkaboutit on Dec 10, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

reminds me of a pastor that led a prayer for a card in greensboro. he asked god/jesus to protect the fighters and fill them with the warrior jesus spirit. this is an old anglo-saxon/conversion from paganism to christianity bit that’s actually not a new idea.

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.

by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 10, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

This retard is bitching about demons on shirts

and posting pictures of Nazis because he can’t spell? What a stupid fuckstick.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Who are you talking about?

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

introvert

Posting about how demons are as offensive as Nazi images, then posting Nazi images because he got called out for using made up word.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

And yet, here you are

ranting about it, when no one else cares.

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And you're posting here

because you don’t care either? I don’t get it.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m ranting and nobody cares, but you care enough to tell me nobody cares. That’s what I don’t get.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

As a wise man once said (very) recently

I’m all out of breadcrumbs… come back tomorrow.

by Dakatak on Dec 10, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

intro

is the tard in question

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

You post the same thing on multiple stories

but I’m trolling? Nice pictures btw.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

but I’m trolling?

The answer to this question would be…..yes.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, you're stalking me at every turn.

Don’t make me call the cops.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

untro doesnt troll

Been here forever. Longer then time.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Meanwhile

this post wasn’t even about those stupid shirts.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

You have something to add about the original story?

Other than this enlightening comment…..

Re

tarded.

"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar

by introvert on Dec 10, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

am I not up to your standard of just posting pictures that people who are actually funny made?

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me I've

got to go put on my nazi demon Jesus Didn’t Tap shirt and beat a dead horse.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 10, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

You’re excused. See ya.

by daniel worby on Dec 10, 2009 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

seriously Nazi

Are those guys still around… guess who tapped out…the nazi’s they suck they did not help out this world. all they did was kill alot of people out of selfish gain. what a bunch of loosers and why would you want to follow that, do you enjoy loosing and admire people who lost. hitler killed himself…and why because he is a looser, so no we do not need that loosery clothing plaguing th ufc

And with that you have just been punked

by fightpunk on Dec 10, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

Have you ever watched Punk'd

This isn’t how it works. You’re suppose to put us in an embarrassing situation, then say ha! Punk’d. Not say stupid shit and leave. I don’t think you’ve ever seen the show.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

jay

who said anything about the show. your retarded

by fightpunk on Dec 10, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

"And with that you have just been punked"

You.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

no thats my sign off phrase

sorry if i hurt your precious nazi’s jay, but that saying is just my sign off nothing to do with going around and pranking guys

by fightpunk on Dec 10, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

You have a sign off?

I didn’t even see you sign in. Plus you answered my questions, so you didn’t sign off at all. Was that a premature sign out? I thought because your post seemed strange it was a joke. Then you said that punk’d part and I thought it was your idea of a gag.

OK than.

It’s lose and losers, not loose and loosers. Just so you know.

Glad to be free from Intro's tyranny.

by jay. on Dec 10, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not sure how people of today still believe in religions. What happened to common sense in this world?

by Tr8k on Dec 10, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

I agree.

The invisible pink unicorn is the only way to go.

Hadoken!!

by Brizzle T on Dec 11, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless

of what we believe or don’t believe, I gotta say some of you guys really crack me up. Some really funny shit. Appreciated, truly.

by thinkaboutit on Dec 10, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

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