Bong gone: Medical marijuana alibi goes up in smoke courtesy of CSAC ruling
by Jesse Holland on Nov 30, 2009 1:00 PM EST
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Attention California fighters and part-time potheads: You may be able to dodge Johnny Law with a medical marijuana card -- but don't expect your laminated smoke shield to have any effect on the NARCS over at the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC).
As troubled Strikeforce middleweight Nick Diaz has been finding out, the laws that apply to medicinal marijuana in regards to criminal punishment do not apply to the Commission's duty to prevent a fighter from subjecting himself to a potentially dangerous situation come fight night.
Simply put: The Compassionate Use Act (California Proposition 215) may keep you out of prison, but it doesn't legalize the use of marijuana.
From the CSAC:
"Although the question springs from professional licensing rather than employment, much of the Court's rationale applies. Because the Compassionate Use Act only provides a defense to criminal charges, any argument that the Act would allow an athlete to use the drug without consequences to his or her license must fail. If the Court were to take up a similar challenge to discipline of a licensee, it would likely find that the Commission has a legitimate interest in whether or not an athlete uses the drug because marijuana could slow a fighter's reflexes and endanger his or her health and safety in the ring or the cage. Therefore, given the limited reach of the Compassionate Use Act and the rationale of the Supreme Court in Ross v. RagingWire Telcomm, the Commission may safely discipline an athlete without running afoul of any law or court decision."
From a Commission's perspective, use of marijuana as a medical aid is no different than using prescription pain killers prior to fight. While not necessarily a performance enhancing drug (PED), it may affect a fighter's performance either positively or negatively during a fight and may compromise the safety of the combatant.
What's your stance Maniacs, agree or disagree?
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seriously though..
seriously though…weed is fantastic. it isnt even illegal for health reasons..all politics!! cant wait for it to be legal as it should be
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
Gimme the Light..
Agree Newfie3.. My Dad loves wine.. Like I tell my Dad.. he likes Red Wine.. and like Green Wine.. to each their own. Coffee is a much needed drug in our world on and off the mat.. to qoute Joe Rogan.. " It’s 2009 and we have a Black President, but weed is still illegal? " Maybe one day right.
Just stop smokin' Nick
Nick is one of my favourite fighters, and for him to be flushing his career down the drain for pot is just stupid.
Laws are laws….rules are rules……agree with them or disagree, they are there.
Personally I couldn’t care less what people do with their lives, but Nick is a joy to watch, and I’d hate to see him ruin his career over some sort of “fight the machine”, hippie, bullshit.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
by introvert on Nov 30, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Intro...
takin’ a guess but it looks familiar…tell me if I’m close but don’t tell me the answer..is that mountain in Alberta?
BC
Lower Elk Lake
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
lol
Sorry dude….I skipped past that part of your post lol.
Seriously sorry.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Yeah me too
Leave the mountains to climbers. I know the good muffs from 40 paces.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
LOL
Might as well tell Machida to quit drinking urine, or Lesner to stop hunting, or Hardy to stop photo shopping, or Matt Hughes to stop farming, or BJ to quit cliff jumping, or John G to stop Blogging!
Spot on mate
Nick Diaz is the man but smoking that crap is harming his career, he should be a world champion and he has all of the talent in the world but he’s holding himself back because of this BS, weed has already cost him the biggest win of his career (Gomi) and a huge title fight on CBS, I hope that he stops getting high as soon as possible before he wrecks his career for such a stupid reason.
Smoking that crap?
You’re joking…right? And do you have a glass of vodka in your hand while you’re making that comment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with weed. It’s uptight jackasses like you that think there is.
ducknow
David is stating his opinion. If you can’t state yours without calling him an uptight jackass none of us are interested in it.
He is nothing but respectful at all times, we will thank you for doing the same.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Jay….Being a strong advocate for the legalization of marijuana it irks me when people make asinine comments about smoking pot. It’s not crap. Alcohol is crap…not weed. But since alcohol is legal, I guess it’s not bad for you. And Jay, I respect your knowledge of this sport and you make some very funny comments. I just didn’t know that you were the MMA Mania police. But it’s all good and I’m sorry if I offended anybody. Gotta go….my bong hit is waiting!
I like David
And he is a nice guy. If you want to be a dick(I do it myself) do it to someone who deserves it. I think sticking up for your friends is a good thing, and I would expect the same from you.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
One pint of beer does a lot less to your body than one joint of marijuana, I guarantee it. Alcohol isn’t good for you but if you drink it in moderation then it’s not going to wreck your health either, it only causes harm when people with no sense of self-control drink. It’s not like taking a hard drug where taking just one can kill you.
I’m not trying to criticise your choices, my opinion is that pot is crap and smoking it is a waste of time, pretty much everyone else disagrees with me on this blog. As long as nobody on here permenently wrecks their health with drugs then there’s no problem.
ok
david, can you please cite where science shows that statement you said to be valid? It has been proven time and time again that alcohol is worse for you than pot.
www.physorg.com/pdf157280425.pdf
Having a glass of wine impairs driving more so than having smoked a joint, and when doing both together, driving was better than just drunk
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2063-alcohol-impairs-driving-more-than-marijuana.html
Just b/c something is illegal doesn’t mean it’s worse for you. Time and time again history proves that policy isn’t always correct. Slavery was legal, marijuana was once advertised that it possessed the ability to drive someone insane, isaac newton was laughed at when he proposed earth being round rather than flat..
bottom line is we can remember a time when alcohol was prohibited, and then allowed again, so it is fresh on everyone’s mind and easier to fathom. Marijuana, on the other hand, has always been illegal so the idea to decriminalize is a figment of everyone’s imagination.
Recently, the American Medical Association announced it would cease its opposition to the concept of medicinal marijuana, and is instead advocating for a change in federal classification of the drug. It is blatantly obvious marijuana serves as an amazing medicine for many who suffer from illnesses (watch “in pot we trust”, amazing documentary), why not at least allow it to be used for treatment? Simple, pharmaceuticals and their drive for profits. Duck, keep on keepin on. David, do some research.. and i mean this in the most constructive way possible.. it is very fascinating once you delve into the subject.
by ralphbenjamin on Nov 30, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not Sure Where You Are Going With The Comparisons
So you are telling me that the Earth is basically flat and that slavery although wrong is actaully o.k.? By that I mean if for some reason we do legalize the drug that it will change the affects it has on people. I mean we know that slaver is wrong and the world is not flat. I do know that even if marijuana is legalized it still is not good for you.
So your analogy needed to be something like….People said that we shouldn’t send troupes overseas after 9-11. There were people against it then and people for it. There are people who believe it was a good decision and there are people that believe it was a bad decision. Just because they legalize pot doesn’t mean that miraculously everyone is going to say. Oh yeah Pot is actually not that bad for you. I know I won’t be saying that.
Don't Worry David You Are Not Alone
David I agree with you when it comes to the pot subject. I personally know a lot more people who have ruined their lives with pot than with alcohol. It is a gateway drug and that is a fact. I understand this is not true for everyone, there are those that can control it. It is just like alcoholics they started off somewhere and it is the same thing with pot. I hate hanging out with people who smoke weed. I have very few friends that do it and I try to stay away from the friends I have when I know they are doing it.
It is funny to me that there are quite a few people on this site (well anyone who smokes pot regularly) that would like to have it legalized. As if it would legitimize the drug or make it seem not so bad. To me anything that impairs your mind is not good for you. Show me all the studies you want that it is not as BAD as alcohol you won’t change my mind. I know alcohol is a terrible thing and it ruins lives everyday. I personally drink beer and have had my fair share of drunken nights. I have done illegal things while drinking but if I would have gotten caught while doing that stuff then I would have no one to blame but myself.
As for whether or not I believe it should be legalized. Sure why not then we could start talking about all the drunk drivers and high drivers that kill people on a regular basis. The reason we don’t see as many high drivers killing people as drunk drivers is because weed is not a legal substance at this point. If it is ever legalized I guarantee those statistics will rise.
Alcohol isn't Legal, it's regulated
That’s why minor’s can’t buy it and there are rules about it’s use (don’t drink and drive)
Regulated Pot I personally don’t have a problem with, but only after they find a way to check drivers for that the same way they can check for drunkenness. I seriously think that’s holding things back more than some of the other conspiracy’s.
There isn’t a government in the world that wouldn’t like to take the Cartels and Criminals out of the pot business and tax the hell out of it to fill their coffers.
-An Awesome Possum
Formerly posted as just Jas
by AnAwesomePossum on Nov 30, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe if people hadn't judged Hemp incorrectly...
we could be in a better environment where regulating marijuana(hemp) would be possible…
Great Point
Alcohol is regulated and if you consume to much and go out in public you can get arrested, great point. As for pot there just seems to be no easy way to test for it on the spot.
It is crap in my opinion
What health benefits does it give you? And it’s been linked to causing schizophrenia and paranoia among other mental illnesses. If there was nothing wrong with it then it’d be legal, it’s not just politics it’s science that’s keeping it from being legal.
And no, I don’t have a glass of water in my hand, I like to have a drink but I’m not an alcoholic and I can’t stand the taste of vodka on it’s own, funnily enough just because I don’t agree with smoking weed doesn’t mean that I’m a raging alcoholic who drinks spirits everyday.
If being an uptight jackarse means that I’m obeying the law and am in relatively good health, plus I want one of my favourite mixed martial artists to have a successful career in the sport, then I’m an uptight jackarse. Like jay sad, it doesn’t do you any favours if your only reply to someone with an opposing view to you is to insult them, it shows to me that you don’t have much of an argument if you have to devolve to petty namecalling to get your point across.
the reason
the reason why MJ was made illegal in the first place was all politics! it was not health issues! did you know pot has been illegal only 1% of all human existance?? why wasnt it ilegal the other 99 david?
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
let me rephrase that
Marijuana has been illegal for less than 1% of the time that it’s been in use
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
Just because it's not always been banned doesn't mean that it shouldn't be
All sorts of awful things have been legal in the past, doesn’t meant that they should still be legal by any means. You’re not going to convince me mate, I don’t see the point of it and there are health risks behind smoking pot, it’s a more dangerous form of tobacco in my opinion and I’ll never touch the stuff.
I can't argue with the health hazards
But here in Texas, especially down along the border, there are hundreds of people killed every year over drug smuggling, turf wars, etc. There is gang violence all over the place and countless “undocumented migrants” flooding into my state and my country. They’re a different rant for a different time. Legalizing and taxing weed would alleviate a lot of the violence, save us billions in our war on drugs and raise billions in new revenues.
I'm kind of a big deal.
Newfie
That is a silly statement. Killing people for sport was legal at one time too does that mean it should be now as well. Hell in Rome gladiators killed each other for the entertainment of the people. Seriously just because it was legal in the past doesn’t mean that it should be now. Obviously science has a lot to do with the fact that marijuana is illegal now. Do you think they had the testing when it was legal that we do now? Not even close. So to say that it has nothing to do with science is ridiculous.
They should be
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Why should they be illegal?
They’re not good for you by any means, but there’s no point making a common drug illegal, all that will do is create more crime and make the business shadier, as people won’t stop smoking but rather than buy it at shops they would have to buy them off dangerous drug dealers and all sorts of more dangerous substances could be added to them. Look at how much crime was involved in the Prohibition era when alcohol was banned.
The closest the government can come to banning it without creating even more drug crime is to make it as difficult for people to smoke as possible, which they have done by banning it in the workplace and in public areas, so people are still given the choice to smoke but they can’t affect the health of other people around them (unless they’re really dumb and smoke around their families).
I agree with you
Sounds a lot like they did with pot. Prohibition doesn’t work. One reason I’m for legalization is to keep the money from going to the mexican drug cartels.
Because your taxes will continue to rise
I enjoy a good cigarette every now and then (can’t have a beer without one)……but, do we really need to have higher tax rates for medicare so people can smoke? The extra taxes they levy on cigarrettes doesn’t even go into health care and even if it did it wouldn’t cover the costs associated with smoking.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
haha
drinking and smoking is like shitting and pissing…
you can have a piss (smoke) but not have a shit (beer)
but you cant have a shit without having a piss!
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
Funny...
Much of your argument for cigs being legal is the same rationale a lot of people have for why pot should be legal. And health has nothing to do with it, if it did cigs would be illegal. Cigs are much more harmful to your body and have no health benefits such as the reduction of stress(at least not nearly to the degree pot has) and pain. Alcohol and cigarettes kill so many people a year it’s unbelievable.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Dude...
find me a hard drug user that has never smoked pot…..than I’ll listen to your arument.
Until then, you forgot to add the millions of junkies to your list of medically challenged people that are challenged because of pot.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
No way you're serious
Come on man. The gateway theory is garbage. The problem is that while pot might be the first illegal drug somebody uses, it definitely isn’t the first drug people have tried. It starts with caffeine, nicotine and alcohol. All hard drug users started with those drugs (two of which are way more harmful than marijuana).
Also the schizophrenia link was bad science. A meta study based on old experiments that had nothing to do with mental illness. No implications of causality whatsoever. Meaning people with schizophrenia may look to pot to self medicate as opposed to pot causing anything.
by Canucklehead. on Nov 30, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
The gateway argument is bullshit, and based on a logical fallacy.
Correlation is not causation. You really think there would be less heroin addicts if there was no weed? Really?
I can make the same claim that swearing leads to murder, since most murderers are swearers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
As for the claims that it harms your health, if thats the case then it shouldnt be too hard finding a peer reviewed paper that documents this. After all, a lot of administrations ( Nixon comes to mind ) have issued scientific studies the examine the health effects of marijuana. Show me that paper that documents ANY of the claims about detrimental effects in this thread, and I promise I will never toke up again. Ever.
Because more people drink and smoke than get high
If you legalise marijuana then the numbers of stoners will go right up and I guarantee that the death figures will be much closer if not higher than those of drinkers and smokers. It causes the same problems as smoking plus it messes with your mind, that makes it worse than tobacco in my opinion.
DUUUUUUUUUDE
dont i know it. my friend took oxycotton and smoked and he went crazy. he bit me and neighbors almost called the cops on us. I was scared shitless and i turned down smoking weed like 3 times after. he ruined it for me
by hamsterwheel on Nov 30, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
No way
It doesn’t have all of the added carcinogens(over 20) that cigs do. Most cigarettes today aren’t even mainly tobacco, it’s paper shavings with chemicals and flavoring meant to do nothing but keep you addicted.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
and pot isn't addictive?
lmao.
A bunch of pot smokers claiming pot is good for you and not addictive lol.
Some things never change,
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Not that it's good for you....
Just it’s not as bad as cigs or alcohol. There aren’t any doctors prescribing cigs or alcohol, which leads me to believe that marijuana has benefits that neither do.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Not physically addictive at all
If and when I run out and I have to wait for the next bag, I don’t shake, puke or kill.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Then why do you buy another bag?
The answer is obvious.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
I feel no ill effects of not smoking it....and I'm being 100% completely honest
I smoke it when I have it and don’t need it when its not around
because
I buy another bag because I like it. No different than ordering a ufc ppv.
Exactly Russs
People do things everyday that you don’t understand Intro. It doesn’t mean they are addicted to it.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Well I'm done debating this for the night
Intro, it seems that we’re the only 2 on here who don’t smoke pot.
As long as Nick Diaz doesn’t ruin his career for the sake of getting high and none of you lot have your health ruined by smoking pot then everything’s good.
Some people
can drink responsibly, and some can’t. Smoking is no different. If you can’t limit yourself and keep your shit together you should stop. Nick Diaz falls in the 2nd category.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Agreed on that one
If you can’t take something responsibly then you shouldn’t take it period and need to get your issues sorted out.
?
How is Nick being irresponsible, it’s not an issue of being able to limit himself or him being too stoned to do anything. He has a medical license for a drug and CSAC won’t let him fight while using a drug a doctor wrote him a prescription for..
HA
the next thing david will be saying is that machina beat shogun! and bj deserves another shot at gsp
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
I never said that Nick Diaz is irresponsible, I said that I wish that he’d stop smoking pot because with this ruling it’s not going to do his career any favours, he had the biggest win of his career written off the records and missed out on a big title fight because of his marijuana use and I don’t want him to mess anything else up because he persists in smoking a banned substance, medically prescribed or not. Whatever you think of smoking pot it’s a fact that smoking it isn’t helping Nick’s career, that was my original point before most people bashed me for not being in favour of legalising pot.
Newfie, I’m a big Machida fan and I’ve said countless times that Shogun won. I also said countless times that GSP has no decent opposition at WW other than Shields and Diaz if they ever sign with the UFC, which includes BJ. So you clearly haven’t read any of my posts in the past.
He's ruining his career
See, this is exactly why pot smokers cannot discuss this issue without bias intentions.
All everyone does is justify his pot smoking instead of looking at it plainly.
It’s against the rules……..period.
My car goes twice as fast as the legal speed limit…..that doesn’t mean that fact is gonna get me out of traffic tickets.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
see ducknow's comment below
haha its against the rules…
whos rules are they? you live by every rule the government has set up for you? and you will argue that anything against those rules is wrong? wow i feel sorry for you
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
Obeying the law...
Oh…so that’s why weed is crap? Because it’s against the law? Wake up! it’s 2010! Weed is one of the earths greatest gifts to mankind. So if they legalize it it won’t be crap anymore in your opinion? You’re “obeying the law”. Oh come on, you can do better than that! Health benefits? It relaxes me and takes away any anxiety that I might have at any given moment. It also helps me sleep when I can’t, and it helps keep my BP down. I can wake up the next day with absolutely no hangover. Oh and by the way…it’s impossible to overdoes on weed. Nobody has ever died from smoking too much of it!
I smoke weed every day. I’m very successful in business and I go to the gym 6 days a week. Oy yeah, my carido is off the hook! The only downside of weed for me is it makes me eat too much! And I think that’s a pretty good problem to have!
Of course it’s stupid for a great MMA fighter to keep using any drug if it keeps them from fighting under the rules. But that’s not my point (or yours). It’s people just like you that really need to smoke a joint! And if you don’t believe me, ask Joe Rogan!
Rogan lol
Funny you mentioned his name. I was just about to bring up how he has his obvious own agenda.
I smoked weed for 5 years….it made me feel like crap….I quit…..I feel better than I ever did on weed.
Can you explain that? Oh, that’s right you can’t…..BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF YOU’D BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU’RE TOO BUSY RATIONALIZING, AND JUSTIFYING SMOKING IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
In defense....
I doubt these people have smoked their entire lives, so they probably spent at least a solid 15 years without it. I’m sure they have at least SOME idea of whether or not they would be better off without it. Anyways, as with everything else, moderation is necessary.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
I've quit too
Several times. Most people that smoke regularily take breaks every now and then.
I couldn't give a shit about whether or not Joe Rogan agrees with me
I don’t need to do anything, I’ll make my own decisions thank you very much and I choose to obey the law and stick to legal drugs that I can enjoy in moderation and don’t need to buy off a sleazy dealer to get.
Thats fine
Good I encourage you to make your own decisions, just don’t spread lies about things you know nothing about and have 0 experience with.
What?
Can I explain that? Then why did it take you 5 years to stop? Can you explain that!?
I’m glad you quit if it was making you feel like shit. I would do the same if it made me feel like shit. But it doesn’t so I’ll keep on smoking it. You know what makes me feel like shit? Alcohol! Weed isn’t addicting…booze is! And that’s a fact!
Not to start a pissing match.....
but, if a fighter blew into a breathalizer after a fight and was over the legal limit, I’m sure he’d be suspended too.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
They don't perform that test though
It’s pot head discrimination really.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Gateway drug
People can do whatever the hell they want….don’t matter to me.
But this whole “there is nothing wrong with weed” argument is complete crap, imo.
Show me a heroine, meth, or coke junkie that has never smoked a joint!!!!!!!!!!!!! There’s a good reason you’ll never find one, because they all started off with pot.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
It's true
I challenge anyone to find a hard drug user that didn’t smoke pot.
You’ll die trying.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
True
But that doesn’t discount my point.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Fair enough
I’m not painting everyone with a broad stroke…..that isn’t my intention.
The point is that pot leads to harder drugs…..it always has.
Anyone who argues this point is bias because they smoke pot. It’s like asking a pedophile if one or two pictures of naked children on their computer is okay……of course they say “yes”.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
your point is valid but...
you have to admit that “it takes one to know one”…and I am one. Many of my friends are also “pot heads” but we’ve grown out of the experimental stage. NONE of my friends take hard drugs that I know of and I feel that this is because of 2 things. Where we live, and how old we are.
I smoked pot for 5 years straight
And I can also speak first hand that it altered me in a negative way and I wish I could turn back the clock and never had touched it.
When you stop smoking it for a while you realize just how negative it affects you…until then, people lie to themselves.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
I also...
know several potheads, in fact, a LOT. None of them use other drugs though. I don’t hear anyone calling alcohol a gateway drug even though it’s the most widely abused drug in the world.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
It is a gateway drug
There….now you’ve heard someone say it.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
i dont care...
…if you smoke weed or not, but your attitude towards it shows complete ignorance!
thats the american attitude though…you guys have weed classed higher than coke in terms of dangerous drugs! fools
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
I'm an ex-weed smoking Canadian
Anything else you want to ask me before labelling me something I’m the complete opposite of?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Sorry that you regret your decision to smoke and I’m very happy for you that you quit if it was holding you back. But if you have regrets about what you did or didn’t do during the time you smoked it’s your fault and not the plants.
You're right.....
But my regrets aren’t about what I did or didn’t do…..
My regrets are that I was so caught up in the exact same garbage you guys are spewing to realize that it was all a bunch of self-serving, justificating, bullshit.
You guys aren’t saying anthing I didn’t say. The difference between you and I is that I have now been on both sides of the fence…..and I can speak with all honesty that everything I used to say was bullshit.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
yes it does
it does. if someone does pot, than needs coke, then needs pills…than their head was screwed up in the first place. it wasn’t the pot that turned them to other thing. im sure if someone offered them coke before weed they would have did that, than after that you can call coke the gateway drug.
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
It means nothing
Pot doesn’t lead to smoking Crack. I smoke pot and have never felt the urge to live under a bridge smoking crack. It might be a gateway drug in the sense that most crack heads met their druggie buddies from buying pot off them. But smoking pot doesn’t always lead to crack.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
My challenge remains
Find me one.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Bad point Intro
The reasoning behind marijuana being a “gateway drug” is flawed. It runs something like this…everyone who uses hard drugs has smoked pot. However, the VAST majority of people who smoke marijuana NEVER go on to use hard drugs. The simple fact that hard drug users have also used pot does not mean it’s a gateway drug. It’s trying to correlate something that’s not related. It’s just plain flawed logic.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
That's like saying all alcoholics drank pepsi
before they killed people in drunken accidents. Should we ban pepsi? Or should the alcoholics and crack heads take responsibility for their own actions?
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Pepsi isn't a drug
Apples and oranges, jay.
You can rationalize, justify, or whatever you want…….doesn’t matter.
Pot leads to harder drugs…….Pepsi doesn’t cause car accidents.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
uh oh
Don’t say that around potheads……they are all in a perfect sense of mind, with obsolutely heightened senses, and would never make poor decisions because they are high lol.
And they have all of these super powers after smoking something THAT ALTERS YOUR SENSES!!!!!!!!!!! OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN’T SMOKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Not true
You guys are just so ignorant. If you make bad decisions while high you’re gonna make bad decisions sober too.
but...think of it like this
when your drunk…is your decisiion making process the same as when your sober
Maybe
But one thing is for sure……pot negatively affects your senses….THAT’s WHY PEOPLE SMOKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!. Senses aren’t supposed to be negatively affected.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Depends
What you mean by negatively. If you’re chilling at home and smoke some pot it alters your senses, but I wouldn’t necessarily say in a bad way. If you don’t need certain senses to do something at that time it’s hard to say that it’s a negative thing. And one could argue that it not only doesn’t hinder some senses, but actually heightens them(i.e. taste, smell).
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Bullshit
Self-serving bullshit.
Don’t read me a book that I wrote.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
What?
Have I said that was false? You can sit here and play the “I KNOW, because I USED to be like YOU. Now I’m so much SMARTER than you and can call you out.” card all you want, but I’ve based everything I’ve said on facts. I asked you for references and received none, you asked and I gave you two. Everything I said is based on fact, all you have is name calling and political talking points.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
You are backwards
Everyone who drives a car doesn’t drive at 150 MPH. So your logic means that everyone is capable of driving a car safely……doesn’t work that way, because some people are too stupid to keep their foot off of the gas.
You’re the one who is backwards on this.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
I'll do you one better
Find me one scientific study that can consistently link marijuana to lead to the use of other drugs. Until then, you can take your Saturday morning show BS talking points and shove ’em.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
ooooh
Hit the pothead where it hurts, eh?
Dude……I’m not gonna waste my time arguing with you.
Put the pipe down for two minutes and google it yourself.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
I have...
Just because your points are based on political talking points rather than scientific data doesn’t mean I’m a pothead. Facts are that marijuana use and the use of hard drugs have remained independent from one another. The number of marijuana users and the number of hard drug users have never been linked(in other words, pot use and hard drug use have fluctuated independently through out the years and no one has been able to link them).
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Link?
I’ll ask you for your scintific research link on your “facts”.
Fair is fair.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Here you go...
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Main Findings 1990; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Preliminary Estimates from the 1993 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse.
Go to a library and read up.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
And?
I googled it and every single thing I came up with were pot websites justifying their existence.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
I just gave you two....
specific studies done by the U.S. government, look them up. It’s not like it’s biased, and if it is biased it’s obviously on your side of the fence.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Find me one...
That’s like saying that alcohol should be illegal because it leads to DUI. Sure, you won’t find someone that has a DUI without drinking alcohol, but that doesn’t mean it should be illegal because alcohol can possibly lead to DUI. The vast majority of those who drink don’t DUI.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Not the same
Driving alcohol and driving cars are two different things.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Point remains...
That you’re trying to correlate two things that aren’t correlated. It was merely an analogy.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Because x does y and z...
you can’t make the jump to say that because all people that do z at one point did y means that y is the cause of z. That just isn’t a logical line of reasoning.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
oh it's coincidence
That is your stance?
That it’s coincidence?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
No...
it’s not my stance to rush to judgement either. How much you wanna bet those hard drug users have used alcohol? Why aren’t you calling that a gateway drug?
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
It is
Alcohol is a gateway drug.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
So....
Do you think alcohol should be illegal?
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Yes
Depends on which side of the fence you are on.
Either you are for free everything…..and say no.
Or you look at the health issues….. and say yes.
When discussing pot it’s only natural that people who smoke it want it legalized (to whatever extent is most convenient for them….as long as it doens’t affect them negatively)……as most people who don’t drink couldn’t care less if alcohol were banned.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Mostly...
I don’t like the idea of government meddling in my affairs about things they have no business about. I think it’s absurd that they can tell me I can’t have a plant as it naturally grows on my property. I’m not on any hippie BS, I do think it’s ridiculous for alcohol and cigarettes to be legal, and for pot to be illegal. Also, the mexican drug cartels would be making over $40 BILLION less a year, which means everyone’s better off. It also keeps the pot users away from the hard drugs by separating the market. Right now, pot users have to go to drug dealers that often push other drugs, increasing the chance they will move on to other drugs.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Naturally?
There is nothing natural about today’s pot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
not natural?
Wtf are you talking about. I put a seed in some dirt and a plant grew. Nothing else had to be done…
The seed
Where did the seed come from?
Did God hand it down to you from Heaven?
Um no…..some goof plucked it from his genetically modified pot plant in his basement.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
"God put it on this Earth......."
“God put it on this Earth…….” LMAO
This is usually the “go to” line from potheads, and it makes me laugh.
You know why? Because drinking oil will also get you high, but God didn’t put oil in the ground, give you a straw, and say “drink it”.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
To compare...
drinking oil and smoking pot does nothing for your argument. One will kill you one won’t.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
I can speak honestly, without motive.
I was so caught up in the exact same garbage you guys are spewing to realize that it was all a bunch of self-serving, justificating,
You guys aren’t saying anthing I didn’t say. The difference between you and I is that I have now been on both sides of the fence…..and I can speak with all honesty that everything I used to say
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
WTF happened to my post lol?
What I was trying to say is……..
I was so caught up in the exact same garbage you guys are spewing to realize that it was all a bunch of self-serving, justificating, bullshit.
You guys aren’t saying anthing I didn’t say. The difference between you and I is that I have now been on both sides of the fence…..and I can speak with all honesty that everything I used to say was bullshit.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
I haven't
said anything that is self serving and if I talk about marijuana with anyone I’m honest and base my argument on facts. I haven’t said anything that’s false and you can’t deny that. Pot is not good for you if you do it all the time, but used in moderation(like alcohol) is not harmful and can even be beneficial for some symptoms of illness. My reasons for wanting pot legalized are based on the ever-failing effort of the “war on drugs” here in America, how rich scum bags get off of it, and civil liberties. Don’t lump me into any categories if you don’t want to be Intro.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
You're "senses" post
That post is pure crap.
It’s like you’re reading me a book that I wrote 15 years ago.
It’s bullshit.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
What about it...
Is false or bullshit? You’re so rooted in your own beliefs you won’t look at anything objectively. Everything in life is relative. What’s good in one situation is bad in another and vice versa. It’s not a hard concept to understand.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
But whatever...
Enough is enough. As usual you’ll stick to your guns no matter what. This is like having a conversation with my conservative mother. She says all the same things, but won’t look at the data I present. Guess it’s easier to go off talking points than to take an objective look at the facts.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
And...
there is plenty of organic pot out there. The government has banned me from growing the plant on my property in ANY state, natural or otherwise, so that doesn’t matter anyway.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
I grew some
And there was nothing natural about it.
That natural stuff you are talking about was weeded out twenty years ago, bud…..it’s gone.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Your lying
I don’t wtf type of grow you had. I had about 20 plants this summer and they got the same treatment as everything else in my garden.
Where did you get the seeds?
God?
If not….they’re genetically altered.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
You’re really grasping at straws now. Everything you buy at the supermarket is genetically modified.
And?
So you agree?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
the biggest problem the human race is facing today is....
over-population….that being said, I tend to turn a blind eye to those that cannot act responcibly
Anyways...
correlation and causation are two very different things.
"An explanation of cause is not a justification by reason."-C.S. Lewis
Posted above but here goes again...
The gateway theory is garbage. The problem is that while pot might be the first illegal drug somebody uses, it definitely isn’t the first drug people have tried. It all starts with caffeine, nicotine and alcohol. Every hard drug users started with those drugs (two of which are way more harmful than marijuana). And we’re back to politics again…
by Canucklehead. on Nov 30, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Your logic is flawed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation .
Along that same line of logic, soda should be illegal because it obviously leads to alcoholism. After all, most alcoholics drink soda before moving on to alcohol!
Using that logic you can say that ice cream leads to drowning, since there is a correlation between the two.
I could give a shit if you smoke weed or not. Why cant you show us that same respect? If you think I shouldn’t be allowed to, you should at least be able to point to some consquence it has for either you or myself.
Take that back OJR
If people were in here saying that people who say “Truth” a lot are idiots, you would be all over it. LOL. One thing I’ve learned today is that Brock Lesnar and pot are two hot subjects on Mania. This is a huge response to a post.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
One thing I've learned is not to bash weed
The amount of stick I’ve took on this page is unreal, it’s me and Intro versus the world.
OJR, for laid back stoners they aren’t half angry bastards (except jay and mac).
OJR
I’m playin’ with ya. This is getting out of hand, but at least people are getting involved, that has to say something.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Here here OJR
I’m off to watch Flashforward and get something to eat, I’m done debating on weed…at least in this sleep deprived state.
Exactly
Pot smoking is a recreational activity not a life style( to most) we shouldn’t be judged on what we do with our free time. I don’t walk into bars and call the people there a bunch of low lifes.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
and...I'm fine, just fine. I smoke weed as much as possible and am just tickity boo thx for askin.
I have a great job that pays me too much. I live in a generally crime free city, have a beautiful wife that keeps herself in good shape and a son who can’t stop smiling. What could be better. To each his own.
Nothing wrong with smoking when the babies are sleeping
There are a million worse things you could be doing.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Not if you eat it gold
You can drink it, cook it, lots of good stuff to do with weed. Not everyone smokes it.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
BOOOOYA
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
haha
im laughing hystericaly at that. and eating handfuls and handfuls of cheesies
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
new?
his next movie after that is already on dvd. Funny People. observe and report is way old.
I watched funny people this weekend
I only laughed twice. I got nice and high too, expecting to pee myself laughing. Wasn’t impressed really.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Agreed
I find Sandler movies are hit and miss. This one was a miss for me. There was too much drama as McArthur said below. I was expecting something better.
have not
but will soon. i feel very strongly about MJ being legalized! i hate all other drugs. the ones that are actually bad for you. our society is messed up…you can drink alcolhol til u puke, millions are severly addicted to caffeine, and you can eat yourself into a heart attack, but you can puff a doobie without being considered a criminal. wrong wrong wrong
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
They need to de-criminalize not make it legal
I don’t want to buy any government pot. I just want to be allowed to grow personal pot legally. I want nothing to do with Government weed.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
i dunno
i wouldnt mind govt weed…because they would probably hire someone, or contract someone out to grow it. someone who knew what they were doing. I doubt the government would be growing it themselves in their buildings or anything. isnt that what they do now with the medical weed? i heard of someone people who have access to that and its CHRONIC. soo as long as its potent id have it. and if it were legal than wed have brand name pot like molson or labatt with beer. you would have to make good weed in order to stay competitive, which also means competitive prices!….i think it would be awesome.
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
This is the answer.
Just let me grow it myself.
by Canucklehead. on Nov 30, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
If weed is legalised then the social problems would be a lot worse than those caused by booze and tobacco
It’s illegal for a reason, that shit messes up your mind and has been linked with mental illness, it’s got the same health problems as smoking plus it sends you mad. Fatty foods, alcohol and tobacco is only a health problem when morons get carried away and consume too much, if marijuana was legalised then the same thing would happen as people seem to like taking things too far, only the health problems from too much weed would be a lot worse than those from the legal drugs. I honestly don’t see the point of smoking marijuana, makes no sense to me.
David nooooo
I thought we had almost everything in common. I thought for sure you would be on my side on this subject. Damn.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
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I'm English, it's not part of our culture
We have completely different attitudes to marijuana than to those from your neck of the woods, we drink and smoke too much (I only do the former so I’m only half a waster) but not that many people get high, I know a few who do but it isn’t a particularly popular thing over here. There was enough criticism of devaluing the drug to Class C nevermind legalising it or allowing sportsmen to take it.
Hmmm...
That’s ok. You guys usually take a little long to catch on with us. LOL. I can’t believe that pot isn’t more popular there. No hang overs, no need for a designated driver, no cabs home, cheap, can be made at home, doesn’t effect you the way you might think. I can’t think of a single bad thing.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Good point Mac!
Hey am I the only one who’s got a Marijuana free booklet ads from drugfreeworld.org at the top of the page next to the thread picture?
Now I’m worried if you drive while stoned haha. Seriously it isn’t practical for me to grow weed, I wouldn’t have the first idea where to get it and it’s never interested me at all. I’d rather walk to the local pub or an off license and have the occasional beer or get drunk with my friends every now and again than sit around at home getting high.
david dude i gotta disagree
Im from preston, and it may just be the social circle i hang out with but atleast 95% of my friends all smoke, christ i reckon about 2/3 of all my contacts on shit like facebook smoke weed. So saying its not popular over here is totally inaccurate. Weed is very popular here.
and i dont see the problem i smoke weed everyday i am a complete pot head, but im not a waster, i hold down a very good job, and have been doing muay thai and kickboxing for about 19 yrs and like anything, it comes down to the person everyone does react different, but i like to feel im better at stuff on weed especially comp games and art ( comes in handy being an artist)
im gonna shut up now as im rambling and my spliff gone out and ive lost my lighter
Every night i would pray to God for a new bike, then i realized God does not work that way, so i stole one and asked him to forgive me
I can't play poker or baseball
Without getting high first. I smoke regularly(past 15 years). I have a good job but don’t smoke until after work. That’s the best part David, I can go home and get as high as possible, but still make it to work tomorrow feeling like a million bucks. David, I don’t think I’ve ever asked you how old you are?
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I had a feeling you were really young
Not because of anything you’ve said, I just had a feeling. Are you still in school or anything?
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Nice David
You seem like a good guy.
Fedor is the greatest,
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Month older than me then
Good luck with college mate. I’m heading off before I piss off the stoners anymore.
damn almost.
you too. fortunatley theyll forget about this argument after their next bowl
dude.....i am
Ha I like to think that I'm mature for my age
But there is still a lot that I’ve not experienced, though I can safely say that I have no intentions in ever trying weed.
OK so now i get it.
Sorry to jump in here guys…
At 19/20 I probably had a similar stance on pot. You may know your MMA dude, but you’re definitely in need of some “life experience” when it comes to weed. Even now, I’m sure you would be surprised how many people you know are closet smokers. We hide it well my friend.
by Canucklehead. on Nov 30, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
What, are you high or something OJR? ;)
Thanks for nto being a dick and everything but, where was it that I said that I was 19/20?
by Canucklehead. on Nov 30, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
funny people was good
it wasnt funnny the whole time though, nor was it meant to be. Some of the stand up jokes were great though
I didn't know funny people was a drama
I thought it was going to be funny. Man, I was wrong. They shouldn’t use the word funny in the title if it’s not funny. It was almost depressing to tell you the truth.
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It was funny!
i dont know how you werent laughing. You must have been too high to catch the jokes if you only laughed twice. My friend and I were rolling throughout the movie.
the wife...
hates movies with shooting, explosions, car chases, death, etc. so Funny People is about as close as we get to both enjoying a flick
I didn't say the movie sucks
But there weren’t many funny parts. It was too real and sad. Most of the funny shit got over played in commercials. I had high expectations for it, so that might have been part of the disappointment. They could have been so much funnier with that amazing cast.
Fedor is the greatest,
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Gotta disagree
There was so much fresh material in that flick. I was the best AS movie since Happy Gilmour in my opinion. Adam is in his 40’s now, but he obviously recognizes young talent when he see’s it in Seth Rogan and his Hilarious Jewish comedy group.
I love Seth's group
That fat kid made the movie for me. His voice alone makes me laugh every time I see him.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
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i dont like
the guy with the long hair who has the tv show inh the movie. Jonah Hill is funny though (the fat jew fro guy)
dude.....i am
haha
“You must have been too high to catch the jokes if you only laughed twice.”
No such thing as too high, my friend.
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funniest part
making fun of the Swedish doctor for his accent. “i thought you died at the end of Die Hard 3”
dude.....i am
LOL Yes.
Thats one of the parts we were laughing at 4 sure. just too ripped to remember them all!
That was a good part
And even though I heard the Ikea part 100 times on commercials, Seth still pulled it off.
Fedor is the greatest,
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One of my favorite parts
was when the doctor said yippie ki yay mother fucker at the end.
I just find myself smoking,
for the sake of it now, just one more bag, then i’ll give up, same old ding dong now in a few weeks, new years res, GIVE UP, then before i know it it’s feb and still high.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
Pot is not a performance enhancing drug
Just leave Nick alone. It hurts him more than it helps him. He’ll probably spend half his purse on the vending machines on the way out of the building after the fight anyway. That sounds like win-win for everyone.
Fedor is the greatest,
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Jay, that's the whole point
Marijuana messes up your health and the CSAC don’t want one of their licensed fighters having a serious health problem because they let him get away with smoking pot. If Diaz was stoned in a fight and it messed up his reflexes so bad that he took a brutal beating that permeanently injured him then the CSAC would be liable and MMA would once again be treated as “human cockfighting” by the media.
I think they should test for performance enhancers only
They aren’t testing for nicotine (cigarettes kill you and ruin your cardio). I doubt even Nick is stupid enough to blaze right before a fight. Let the man live, these fighters should be allowed to drink and smoke on their free time.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
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I can't tell Nick what to do
I just want him to look after his body, that is the main asset of a professional sportsmen and it doesn’t half frustrate me when talented guys waste their careers because they can’t look after themselves properly. I’m against smoking weed anyway so it drives me mad that Nick is ruining his career smoking that stuff.
Cigarettes are harmful as well but only when you become addicted and smoke them regularly, one cigarette wouldn’t do a thing to your body but you can’t say the same about one joint.
I believe and have always read the opposite
Nicotine is addictive right from the first puff. Mary Jane is not addictive, I know this for a fact. Plus one cigarette has so many chemicals and toxins in it that it would take 50 joints to do half the damage a cigarette does to the body. I will have you off alcohol and smoking weed before I’m done with you David.
Fedor is the greatest,
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It'll never happen mate
I’d rather do something legal that I can enjoy at a public place than smoke weed on my own, worrying about getting arrested. We’re nicknamed Booze Britain for a reason, we’ve always been a bunch of rowdy binge drinkers though I like to be in control of my actions so I rarely get completely wasted.
Cigarettes are pretty pointless but I’ve had tobacco before and it’s never made me feel addicted, I’ve never had to have something again because I’ve tried it once.
agreed,
Performance enhancers only, if they loose due to the fact their cardio suffered in the process of smoking and drinking then that was their own choice.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
Truth
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
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I don't like drink to be honest...
Seen it do to much damage, not on the scale of junie and wm mind……., what was wm thinking, knocking out everyone in close range, man, he must of totally lost it!! What a spectacle that would of been.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
Booze isn't to blame for those 2 idiots
Junie and Whore Machine are a couple of lunatics who can’t take responsibility for their own actions, they always look for an excuse for their antisocial and criminal behaviour. I’ve gotten drunk my fair share of times and not once have I behaved like that.
The problem with alcohol is when weak minded people take it too far and drink too much, drinking it responsibly is fine but if you can’t have a drink without causing trouble then there is something seriously wrong with you. I take responsibility for my behaviour and decisions and it annoys me when the likes of Junie and Whore look to blame their problems on others, that doesn’t do them or society any good and just lets them live in denial.
I wasn't trying to blame..
their actions on drink, was only making a comparison to dick like behavouir which these two losers are prime examples of!! I can’t explain Junie or WM actions cauce it’s beyond words, they are just scum, lost causes.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
If they're inhibiting their own performance then it's dangerous to let them fight
Slower reactions and recovery could cause a very serious injury, not something that any athletic commission or MMA promotion wants to feel responsible for all because they let someone get high one too many times.
Whats funny people lads,
New show on tv in america or something?? Fighters should be allowed one J of their choice, w or l imo… Just one.
I"m no Ned Flanders punk!!
Pot Head Fighters
Nick Diaz
Nate Diaz
Every Hawaiin Fighter (BJ, Kendall)
Probably Brandon Vera
Brazillian Top Team (Mario Sperry, Murilo Bustamante)
not a abd list to be on
dude.....i am
pot head human beings
doctors
lawyers
pharmacists
engineers
everyone
its pretty common to be a pot smoker…its not that big of a deal you know. smoking cigarettes is much worse for you
"to the death Georges. I mean it" - BJ
Cigarettes is no worse
The difference is the levels of consumption, if you smoked the same amount of weed and tobacco then I guarantee that you’d mess up your health worse by smoking weed.
I’ll never understand the lax attitude of people from the Americas to weed, it clearly isn’t good for you, nothing that messes up the mind is. Honestly I don’t care if any of you smoke weed or not, that’s up to you, but I don’t want to see one of my favourite professional athletes wreck his body and reputation by taking banned substances, it’s bad enough that professional sportsmen smoke and drink, it’s even worse if they regularly get high.
Chuck has it right
Weed takes longer to get out of your system. He just goes on coke and meth binges and flushes out right away
dude.....i am
All other drugs
Should be eradicated. Pot is good for you, other drugs ruin lives.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
I know he was tied to a huge cocaine distribution ring...
that alone will brand him forever unfortunately
dude.....i am
Look at the California seal
It looks like that bear has a huge joint and there is smoke coming off it.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
David W-S
Not trying to be disrespectful here, but most of what David has been saying about cannabis is uneducated bullshit. You’ve clearly never actually tried smoking it yourself and are basically just repeating all the propaganda and lies. It has been linked to some mental illnesses like schizophrenia but only in cases where someone has a history or predisposition to mental illness. It doesn’t make you into a slow sloppy retard unless you’re a newbie and even then it affects people how they want to be affected. I garuntee you’ve dealt with plenty of stoners, probably do every day and don’t realize it. There are far more benefits to weed than there are disadvantages. It has many legitimate medical uses and even more industrial uses and is far less harmful to the body than many other easily obtainable substances.
On another note, the Diaz brothers don’t even smoke, they have it in edibles or tea which pretty much removes any harm it can do.
I've smoked
And I agree with David
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
f*ck the CSAC
we all know they’re some dirty con artist mofo’s anyways..figures they’d do some dumb shit like this.
and everyone that says “rules are rules, you gotta follow it. like it or not” NOOOOOOOOOO. that’s the coward thing to say. if the CSAC had balls they’d allow it, because the law is bullshit. they should come out and say they support legalization. they could make a real stand at getting it legalized, distributed, and controled. why let the drug dealers control it?? that’s not very safe and has proven to not be safe since the law’s inception
i dont know any jiu jitsu black belts that dont smoke out every now and then. most do everytime they roll.
Brenden Adams
So I have read most of this argument and I have to say there is a good amount of ignorance flying around here. First off I am on a phone so dont claim that my shitty spelling is due to me being high, its not. My problem is America has been pumping this weed is bad shit to us for years. Every study that ths US govt. has conducted has been debunked by other studies done at Harvard Medical, Berkley Medical, USC medical some of THE BEST. Look I am not going preach here but if you have any free thoughts left if your head watch a little film called THE UNION. It really will change your outlook on what pot really does, and what the fuck this government has done! When drug dealers and growers are praying that the PROHIBITION stays in tact, maybe the government should wake the fuck up and realize it isnt doing shit. How about this, I am high right now, I work at a mulit million dollar firm in newport beach, possibly doing YOUR finances… are you scared? You shouldnt be.
Best post in this massive Thread
I laughed, I cried, I loved it more than cats!
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Wow
Another keyboard, pothead, millionaire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahem…..bullshit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Why not believe him
Pot heads are all over the place doing more than just eating doritos. That’s something we do at night.
I run a massive warehouse that ships internationally. So if you are in China waiting for a shipment of dangerous goods, you might be waiting a little longer today.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Just bustin' balls lol
Seeing how long before his “I’m a pothead…..listen to me” instinct kicks in.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
^^^Burnouts
Put up a story on pot and all types come out of the woodwork.
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
I'm out
All I can tell you guys is that I’ve been on both sides of the fence.
I’m not claiming I’m smarter (as you like to presume I am)….but, I can claim that from first hand experience….when I went from smoking pot to giving it up, my eyes opened up….I feel healthier….I feel faster….stronger…..quicker……make better judgements……every aspect of life is better!!!!!!!!
If you are in the same seat I was in (a pot smoker) right now……..how do you know I’m wrong when I say that you’ll benefit from quitting if you’ve never been on both sides of the fence like I have? You can talk all day about you reasons of justification, but you’ll never know if I’m right if you don’t quit……..will you?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Your experience
Is just that, your own. I don’t feel like shit on weed. And at the same time I like being sober, different feelings for different situations.
Ahhh "experience"
Finally someone said it.
When did “experience” stop meaning something? Depends on whether the person with the experience is pulling the same agenda as you, eh?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Ive been there Intro, I was done for about 26 months, Then I realized why the fuck am I not smoking weed? I still go to the gym3-5 days a week, I work 40-60 hrs a week and am in good health. I have never coughed up anything black, I have never failed at any cardiovasuliar event (except spelling the fucking word) Dont act like you are the only person that knows whats up. Maybe weed just wasnt for you…. I will NEVER advocate my children smoking, nor will I adovcate weed for everyone, but stop acting like its some type of fucking death substance
Never said anything about "death substance"
Why would you put words in my mouth like that?
Maybe because you’re getting angry that not everyone falls for your self-justifying bullsit?
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
thats how everyone is acting, the words you said, never came out of my mouth… You are acting as if it is herion…
by Chuntsman949 on Nov 30, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
also, millions of people yearly take Antidepressents, I smoke a joint it does the same thing, please God tell me why weed cant be legalized.. why? Because why would the government want to give us somthing that costs pennies to make, when they could just jam the Mega billion dollar a year pharm buisness down our throats…. Take a pill to be happy, take a pill to relax, take a pill to piss, I mean fucking really?
Don't take pills
Pretty simple solution.
Pills and pot aren’t much different when you consider the users. You start taking them……you justify taking them….you continue to justify it…..you respond positvely to only the things that enable your justification (articles, write-ups, etc…)……you convince yourself that these positives outweigh the negtives (negatives that are all bullshit in your eyes)……you tell everyone that you don’t “need it”, but yet you can’t stop doing it……you tell everyone that you “aren’t addicted”, and that they are all a bunch of idiots for thinking you are……you post how you have a great job and drugs aren’t holding you back from anything, even though you have no idea whether you’d be making $65,000 annually or $165,000 annually if you decided to put the pipe down, because YOU CAN’T.
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
You really keep coming up with retarded arguements. You could make 6 billion dollars tomorrow if you started doing cocaine, but you won’t cause you’re a big pussy.
Said like a true pothead!!!!
"I'll make that [expletive] fight right now for free. Let's do it."
- Dana White on Fedor vs Lesnar
Russ
You were doing so well before that post. It makes no sense.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
But pills and pot have nothing in common Intro
I know a bunch of old friends who have gone onto other drugs after pot. Pills and pot have nothing in common. And one doesn’t ALWAYS lead to the other.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
One stupid remark deserves another.
Makes just as much sense as the thought that not smoking weed could get someone a raise/promotion. He’s presenting a completely hypothetical situation.
You never know, your boss could be a stoner too.
I see your point
But it’s better in a debate to not get personal. It ruins all your good points.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
You think Russ is young?
What makes you think that OJR?
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Nothing is a joke in written form
Much like sarcasm, jokes don’t work on the internet in most cases.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
My Apologies
I thought it was too ridiculous of a statement to be taken seriously.
Oh you weren't wrong
But getting angry at a guy on the internet is a waste of time and energy. You seem like a half decent guy, I thought I would pass some learned knowledge onto you. Most of the shit that comes out of Intro’s fingers is fucked up. But getting angry will only make you the loser.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Intro always has a strong argument
But calling him names and stuff isn’t cool. There are always going to be people with opposing opinions to yours. That is life, live with it or move on.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
Even then
He presents a good case for hating Dana. I’ve even fell into the trap a little bit.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
They are hilarious
I use to get so angry I would think about his posts while trying to sleep. I’ve taken a different approach to him and it works great. He doesn’t get personal and neither do I. He has become one of my favorite posters.
Fedor is the greatest,
Pound 4 pound best ever,
Now get on your knees,
and bow down to the sweater.
hahah?
was this a joke? I never said its non habbit forming, never did I ever SAY THAT… And no i cannt make 165k right now you dip shit, I am 23 fucking years old and am blessed to have a JOB! I cant believe you would launch a personal attack on me because I have shown your ignorance to a subject. Yes I do use article refernces provided by medical doctors, and scientists. If you want yo play that game, where do you get your info? Atrciles and info provided to you by the government right? What are you trying to tell me here? I havent justified anything, I even said I dont advocate everyone to smoke herb. You are just an uninformed ignorant sheep. You are also very stubborn, and cant read… I HAVE Put the pipe down, and it didnt make a fucking difference
by Chuntsman949 on Nov 30, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
One stupid remark deserves another.
Makes just as much sense as the thought that not smoking weed could get someone a raise/promotion. He’s presenting a completely hypothetical situation.
You never know, your boss could be a stoner too.
I PUFF EVERYDAY
& mania wudnt be half as funny if i wasnt blazed!! U guys make me crack up everyday.SMOKE WEEED EVERYDAY!!!
And when I need to free my mind
I can find, satisfaction in a bag of weed
Everything I need, leave it to the trees
It can make me feel better, and every day I wake
Niggas rollin’ up blunts, and mo blunts, and mo blunts
And I keep a case of Swisher Sweets in the trunk
So when I’m rollin’, smokin’, chokin’, just floatin’
Through the city in my drop top
Glock cocked, rollin’, just rollin’
Me and Mary Jane
It’s my world, it’s my thang
The way she penetrates my brain
Buddah, done blessed me with game
Good game, you wanna chop it up,
we can kick it, smoke a fatty to the dome
Nigga lay high, thugged out, smokin’, all, night, long
Pot is fun but
This rule makes sense. They don’t want a fighter to go fight high for the same reason they don’t want them to fight drunk or on pain meds. It slows the fighters reactions down and makes a fighter gas quicker. Ever been hiking stoned as hell? Ever done the same trail sober? It is a lot easier. Pot should be legal because millions of people love it and do it everyday and function just fine at home and work etc. Yes some abuse it just like alcohol and oreo cookies but so what. Let us have options. Motorcycles kill people everyday but they should remain legal. Treat it like alcohol. Must be 21 to smoke and not in a public place. Try one state at least.
wow. shitload of comments.
I don’t see why it should matter to be honest. If they’ve got the card, they should be cool to smoke. period. But then again, I don’t think it should be illegal at all, so I might be the wrong person to ask if you’re on the other side of that fence.
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