Matt Brown looking for immortality against Renzo Gracie
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Quoteworthy:
"I actually called Joe Silva today ... I called and I asked him for Renzo (Gracie) because he's coming and he needs a warm-up fight, so I was like I feel like I'd be a good warm-up fight. I've met Renzo a few times and I think he's one of the greatest guys in the world. I've trained at his gym a bunch of times. I've got absolutely nothing but respect for the guy. I think he's one of the greatest ever, but that's why I want to fight him. He's a legend and he needs a warm-up fight. I'd love to fight Matt Hughes (too), but he's not going to fight someone like me right now."
Surging UFC welterweight Matt Brown looks to further cement his status as a major player in the 170-pound division by proving himself against PRIDE veteran and jiu-jitsu master Renzo Gracie, who is expected to make his long-awaited UFC debut in early 2010. Would Brown become "Immortal" with a convincing win over the grappling guru? Or is the brash up-and-comer asking for an old-school beatdown?
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HOLD YOUR HORSES MATT
might be getting ahead of himself a little bit, not a bad talent but
Gracie would make him TAP imo.. OLD SCHOOL BEATDOWN as alluded to above.
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
Have you seen either of these guys fight?
Or are you rushing into threads trying to be first poster? It seems you’ve regurgitated the feelings of Mania. I don’t believe you’ve seen Renzo in your life.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
A win over Renzo shouldnt do anything for any up and comer
Just like a win over Hughes shouldn’t
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
Greatest ever?
Gimme a break, Gracies are super overrated.
by Lester The Pimp on Nov 28, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions
overrated, phhhhhh you know nothing.
the Gracie’s are the reason there is a UFC, back in the day nobody could touch the Gracies. Things are alot differant now but so is Martial Arts.
Heel Hook
Where is your argument? You did nothing but give little reasons as to why the Gracies are seen as being over rated. Back in the day and today are two different things. What has any of the Gracies done recently to make people think any of them are good today? The times have caught up to them and they aren’t even the best at their own game anymore.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
i agree
that the gracies arent very releavant in mma anymore but thats because they feel that MMA shouldnt be regulated and that its not true fighting.
But Roger is young and looking pretty good so far,
dude.....i am
Roger is only interested in BJJ
He doesn’t like MMA and isn’t serious about a career in it, shame as he’s currently the top Gracie. I’m interested to see what Rolles is like but from what I’ve heard he’s just a watered down Roger.
As for the Gracies in general, back in the day they were the kings of MMA, their BJJ style helped create the sport we love. Rorion, Royce and Renzo in their primes were all superb fighters, though MMA has evolved and most of the Gracies are only relevant in the sport for nostalgic purposes. I’d be quite happy to see how they match up with younger, lesser known fighters if they are still serious about competing and not looking for a quick paycheque, but I don’t care to see them fight other legends like Hughes or Sakaraba, as it makes both legends look desperate for money and doesn’t help the legitimacy of the sport, it’d be like Tyson and Holyfield rematching next year. I also don’t want to see them walk into big fights because of their reputations, as that is unfair on the younger talent and it would just end in a lopsided beatdown like Hughes-Gracie.
dont waste your time on this guy
your wrong cause for some reason his posts are from the mma bible or something like that, your not entitled to your opinion, MAN THAT JAY IS SAD!!!!
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
A trolls post
tkkpal, did you read the posts I was answering? It was a legit post in response to the posts above it. Just because you got picked on for your deficiencies doesn’t mean you should run around mocking thought out blogs. That’s a slippery slope in a room full of intellectually superior beings. Run along little boy.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
What you typed
" dont waste your time on this guy
your wrong cause for some reason his posts are from the mma bible or something like that, your not entitled to your opinion, MAN THAT JAY IS SAD!!!!"
What someone with a brain would have said.
" Don’t waste your time on this guy.
You’re wrong because for some reason his posts are from the MMA bible or something like that, you’re not entitled to your opinion. MAN, THAT JAY IS SAD!!!!"
Let’s see how many differences you can find.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
Not until you are gone
I will be sure to call you out for every idiotic post from here on out. Sounds like I will be busy policing this site from now on. JJ isn’t the only cop on the payroll I guess.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
MMAMania police?
Do you just have a hard on for this guy? I ask because there are dozens of tkkpal’s out there. Why work this guy so hard?
cause hes nothing better to do
sad really cause it takes the fun out of posting when it gets to the stage when hes prob actually freaking out, hammering the keys in frustration at someones opinion, i mean come on like…..give it a rest
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
ummm
Not sure really. Maybe the volume of pure crap. 4 days in and he has 400 posts, all of which are complete rubbish. He replies to almost every post made on Mania, and not one of them show any sign of intelligence.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
Funny you asked me a question
But he has to answer it for you.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
He's like
guyverbob with his anger, but without a clue. And he’s like Intro with his trolling, but without the education.
That might be a couple of reasons for my not liking him.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
Oh ok
Well now that you put it like that I totally see your point. And he Does post a lot, I did notice that. I would say something about how you should just let him be and ignore, but that would be too hypocritical of me. When someone gets under my skin I have been known to go after them relentlessly until they either stop posting here or change their name, ( one time I even went after John G so much that he declared he would never post here again, which I’m glad didn’t last because he is one of the better posters on this site and I find myself reading his posts probably more than anyone else). So I say do what you have to do, I’m sure some people enjoy a good blog beef anyway…
JRE
Had a similar run in with John. I think most people have had that same run in, lol. But you are right he is a good poster, just misunderstood. He’s not a bad guy either, once you give him a chance. This game with tkkpal will end soon. Just bored today, waiting for the poker game to begin tonight. Guess I am trolling myself today.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
That was funny
I remember John declaring himself as the King and being the master of witty retorts, only to give up as soon as you insulted him.
John is a quality poster albeit like me he gets carried away with his bias for his favourite and least favourite fighters, but he’s intelligent and is a big fan of the sport. He’s one of the best posters on this blog in my opinion.
do you honestly think i have genuine anger
in my posts, you actually take this shit way to seriously, not mma, peoples posts, calling people out for flippent remarks or mis spellings, thats sad and it could go back and forth all night, you dont know how old i am where im from or wtf im about and just cause i started to post recently your like a bull in a china shop, kinda pathetic. move on man as i said get a life or agree to disagree or what the fuck ever,
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
Never called you out for your obvious lack of education
That was another poster. I proof read thousands of documents a day, this experience has made me a better judge of people just from reading their thoughts. My guess is….You are under 20, poor, uneducated, a loner and single. How much of that is correct?
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
married, 4 beautiful kids, a beautiful wife and so on
you had to get personal you cunt. as i said pathetic
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
I don't believe a word of that
Do you live in one of those big trailers, or in a wing of your parents house?
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
not rich or anything like that
shouldnt of said so on, dont have to explain myself to a vary sad person like you. your a loser, simple . as i said earlier prob a man with a tiny penis who cant defend himself and has to pick a fight witha computer to think your cool.
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
Do you measure your self worth
with the same ruler you measure your giant penis?
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
by jay. on Nov 28, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gold
Don’t read it if you don’t like it. Who are you again? Oh that’s right.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
bitches?
Funny you would say that. Because we aren’t the people complaining about a blog. This is a place where people come to converse, if you don’t like it, don’t add. Just go away. It’s so simple, I shouldn’t even have to say it.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
That was him
I kept it clean, until he mentioned my dick 3 or 4 times.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
seriously GoldDiggah
Don’t like, Don’t read. You have plenty of room to post and converse about Matt Brown’s Chance of beating up a 40 year old man, and yet your only post is telling others to shut up. Should the blog just be blank so you can relax?
When are you going to learn?
You have had several people bust on you for your misuse of the word your/you’re.
When you are typing it, think about what you are saying.
If you want to say you are, you can use you’re.
If you want to show possession, use the word your.
Not trolling just tired of reading about it.
Talking to you is like having phone sex with a deaf girl...
by Chief Warrant Officer on Nov 28, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
negative
You have something against Americans?
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
not at all..
was only wondering, why would i have anything against americans, christ, ONLY IN AMERICA! Where would be be without the UFC, not saying thats where the best fighters come from or anything like that, and by the way im not eitheir, not that anyone said i was, just clearing that up
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
Not American
Not that it has anything to do with anything. Not all smart asses are American.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
which state JRE?
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
was wondering about
timezones and stuff, no reason really, stupid question really,,
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
You know the US
Has more than one time zone right? That question wouldn’t even tell you anything. Where you from tkkpal?
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
not as learned in that kinda stuff
to be honest, timezones and geographical stuff as i should be, was it day or night would do… im IRISH born and raised.
de de de de de, bad to the bone!! Im the best eva!!!
tkkpal vs Jay
U guys should kiss n’ make up… really… both of ur debating irrelevant issues, save it for a MMA debate or something…. I have to admit, it is somewhat entertaining though! like watching a car wreck.
Mania
Deleted a lot of that argument. It was semi-fun until I got to know a little about the poor guy. I wish I hadn’t been such a jerk. But he said he won’t ever be back, so I won’t get a chance to tell him myself.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
That was the funniest argument in a long time
Can’t beat a random slanging match up every once in a while. Even funnier when you’re chilling to the Stone Roses with a bottle of Bud.
Easy now Brown
He’s coming to the UFC to fight Matt Hughes lol. Why would they set up Brown because he wants a crack at him? If Brown won then they wouldn’t do the Hughes fight. And thats the point of him coming to the UFC. WOW
Not sold on Matts abilities
But I would take him in this fight. He’s got a loooooong way to go to the top. But Renzo would come in as a massive dog. And deservedly so.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
i been impressed..
well in his last fight he showed good tdd and good striking even defended sum good subb atempts, im just saying atleast he shows sum good skills and hes not one of those houston alexander guys who are only impressive with there offence wen it works, srry for the bad spelling but this is the internet and im not gonna drop a grade cause of it ha..
I'm very impressed'''
When Matt Brown 1st fought on TUF I wasn’t impressed at all… after his 1st fight in the UFC I thought he was definitely the most improved fighter from TUF 7. I thought he beat Stun Gun, and when he destoryed Sell,,, I was sold. I don’t know why they fed James Wilks to Matt Brown? I guess Dana White doesn’t like Wilks or something?…lol…. I would luv to see a Matt Brown VS Ben Saunders Fight!
bob
I have been impressed with him too. I gave him little to no chance of ever winning in the UFC. But calling out Matt Hughes isn’t a good idea for the immortal one. Hughes would smash him, IMO.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
maybe.
matt hughes is my favorite fighter and its kinda lame how picky hes been with who he fights but i don’t blame him because all the douche bags have been talking shit, as for a matt vs matt match i think hughes wud possibly win a decision due to his take downs, but if he cud’nt take matt b. down then he wud get his ass kicked, IMO..
Agree
Hughes is weak in the stand up. But Matt B hasn’t shown me anything to suggest he is ready to take on the top dogs yet. People underestimate Hughes far too much. His wrestling would destroy Brown. Hughes is still a top 6 WW in the UFC right now. Brown will never be top 5.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
I haven’t seen anything in Matt Brown(at least not yet) that makes me think he has the takedown defense he’d need to hang w/ Hughes in a fight. He’d probably tool him if he could keep the fight standing, but that’s probably the default strategy for Hughes these days.
While Hughes isn’t my favorite fighter, and I don’t think he’s the force to be reckoned with he once was, I agree that he’s still a Top 5 fighter. You’d have to go back to 2004 and beyond to find a loss on his record that didn’t belong to GSP and Alves.
You can't duck top competition and fight old men to be top 5
Hughes needs to decide what’s more important, his ranking and reputation or his bank balance because right now he’s avoiding the top contenders and young up and comers, but accepting fights with people even older than him. Personally I find that worse than staying around too long and losing to lesser names, it devalues the legitimacy of the sport in my opinion.
Brown VS Hughes
IMO it would be a fair enough fight, it’s tough to take Brown down n’ keep him down, Hughes wouldn’ be able to wear him out with his cardio, that’s one of Brown’s biggest strengths. Hughes’s standup is falling even further down the MMA curve… I give Hughes a small edge because of his experience but Brown would give him all he can handle same goes with Renzo…. however, Dana will never risk having Renzo lose his 1st fight when he can gross a lot more $$$ by having Renzo fight Hughes right off the bat.
I don't like his ducking the AKA guys either...
But, until he loses some more fights, or some guys beneath him win some other big fights, he is still a Top 5 guy. When the last two people to beat you are the champ and the last title contender, it’s hard to argue otherwise.
Let’s face it, GSP being the champ puts a glass ceiling in the UFC welterweight division for Hughes. Sure he handed GSP his first loss, but GSP came back to kick his ass pretty definitively twice after that. How do you sell a fourth fight between the too? It’s what happened to Franklin in the MW division against Silva, and it’s the same reason I don’t think a Tito/Chuck III fight would work. And considering Hughes doesn’t want to risk tarnishing his legacy w/ a loss against some up and coming fighters, I think he should just call it a day. Fight another fight or two, and just retire.
Matt Hughes is being picky
But I see his point. He is close to retirement and a win over Swick, Brown or any other bottom feeder in the UFC is going to do nothing for him. He should fight top guys(because he himself is a top guy) or fight nobody. His legacy is cemented right now. Why tarnish that with a flash knockout to someone like Matt Brown?
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
Because Hughes has been adamant about making another run at the title. He doesn’t want to fight guys that are in the top15-20 range because they do nothing for him. He doesn’t want to fight the AKA guys or anyone else who he would be a severe underdog against. I’m not sure who that leaves. If he wants a shot at the title he needs to fight the guys between him and the title. If he wants to secure his legacy and pick up a few nice checks on the way out, he’s earned that right too. He keeps saying who he won’t fight, but I haven’t heard him say who he does want to fight.
I'm kind of a big deal.
PW
Do you think he is trying to get back to the title? No way is he that delusional. He wants to headline a card or two(like he did with Matt S) and get out with his health. He wants to fight names that people know. That is it. They should take him out of the rankings to be honest. Even though I think he would beat most guys in the UFC, there is no point of ranking him up there with the GSP’s or the Alves’ anymore because he will never fight anyone ranked near him again. I hate Matt Hughes, but I think you guys are a little rough on him.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
Until GSP
retires or dies or moves up to MW, Matt Hughes should get that title out of his head.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
I’m just going by what Hughes has said. He claims to want another title run, but he won’t fight the people he needs to fight to get there. Like I said, if he wants another couple fights against guys with names who aren’t necessarily a big threat to beat him so he can make some bank while he can and end his career on a win streak, he has earned that right. But based on what he’s said combined with the fights he’s refusing to take, it sounds like he thinks he should have it both ways — get a couple non-threatening names to beat up, then get rewarded with a title shot.
I'm kind of a big deal.
I don't doubt for a second that is what he thinks
But I doubt Dana is stupid enough to fall for that. If it works out that way and he beats a couple of names, do you think he would ask for a GSP rematch? I don’t think he is that stupid. Plus Zuffa could never sell that rematch, ever. I have a feeling he will be gone after his next 2 fights. There isn’t much left for him to prove, and he isn’t ever going to go up in rankings, only down and he is too proud for that.
Fedor is the king…
P4P best ever.
Now get on your knees…
and bow down to the sweater!!! -infamous Mania Blogger.
interesting matchup
I actually really like Matt Brown in this one. I have a long list of concerns with Renzo in terms of his ability to compete at this level, especially against Brown. First of all he hasn’t fought in nearly 3 years, so you have to wonder if ring rust will be an issue. Secondly he’s 42 and I wonder how well his body will hold up at that age (as everyone always says “not just anyone can do what Randy can do”) Finally I wonder if he has evolved enough as an MMA fighter to take on an aggressive guy like Brown. No doubt he is a better BJJ artist but can his cardio and stand up hold long enough for him to pull off a submission? I just think there are too many unknowns on Renzo’s side of the equation to give him the veterans nod. I think Brown could probably be busy enough to get the majority decision on this one. It would be a good win for brown but I’d really like to see him test himself against one of the super athletic welterweights that the UFC has to offer.

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