Tito Ortiz UFC 106 video blog (Media day)
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SHOW US YR EYE!
Freakin’ Tito all I really wanted to see was yr swelled up eye! Hopefully Forrest will show us what we missed on this video.
Tito’s selling the wraps from that workout at worthlesspiecesofshit.com. Ironically, it’s the same site where he bought his wife.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
Tito Hate.
I don’t post that often these days due to my workload, but I still read. I’ve noticed Tito doesn’t have many supporters left these days. And I get it. He’s difficult to listen to. However, I have a certain forgiveness for the guy. He’s one of those guys who developed a douchey persona, but when he’s being himself, like on TUF, he’s actually a good guy. He wants to be a business man. I can’t fault him there. He comes off bad in his attempts, I know. He married a porn star. Not my thing, but whatever. His positives IMO are he lays it on the line every fight, he’s courteous to his fans, he’s courteous to his students, his GnP from inside the guard presents a good test for LHW’s that want to be contenders. Most people have a persona that is more appealing than their true self. Tito is the other way around for me.
by Punch You In the Ovaries on Nov 18, 2009 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
Tito got head butted?
What i want to know is what the hell happened to the other guy. Tito could hurt a billy goat with that big jug on his shoulders.
It's probably that he is a total ego maniac, as well as obviously being a dick
He’s covering the eye now and making out that it’s no big deal, but if he loses the fight then the eye will be a huge deal and that’ll be the only reason that he lost. but atleast his imaginary fans that he always goes on about will still love him.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of which...
a while back now, did you guys see his vid when he was going into his back surgery, saying I’m going into have back surgery, just so’s I can fight again for my fans, I guess that’s why the fans love me… This guy makes me feel just a bit sick.
I feel sorry for him, I think he may be autistic, he doesn’t understand other people or the world around him, so he just talks about the only thing he does understand, himself, all the time.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah it is sickening. He completely reminds me of one of those guys that will one up you in any conversation. We all have someone like that around us. When you say you went rock Climbing, he climed MT. Everast with nothing but a tshirt and a pair of shorts(and survived off of his own urine and a pack of airline nuts). You get into a bar fight and it reminds him of that time when he got into a bar fight, while in a wheel chair, in a full body cast and he literally submitted everyone in the bar with multiple toe holds without ever leaving his wheel chair….You drank a beer, this guy drinks a keg….
He makes me sick and as sick as he makes me I always find myself posting to all of his threads instead of just ignoring him and making him more popular….I guess that is why he so good at what he does(fighting not included in that statement). He makes you watch because you want to see him loose.
Hating aside
I don’t like Tito’s chances in this fight, he hasn’t evolved as a fighter one bit in his entire career. Yer he was working with Freddie Roach.. blah blah blah… So was Arlovski.
If Tito can’t take you down then he’s lost against anyone who has any idea on the feet. I hope forrest approaches this in a similar way to the rampage fight. Hack Tito’s legs up so he can’t shoot. Obviously kicks leave you more open to the shot BUT Forrest is a really long guy with rangey legs and I think he could get away with it.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Id say training with Roach is evolving ?????
People dont like him because they are stuck in the past. Its not 2003 anymore he has changed his personality. He is just hyping a fight up. Forrest is 10 times cockier than Tito is so you should hate on him. Also Ortiz would never run out of an octagon crying like a little bitch. Tito will stand with Griffin until he feels the need to take him down which he will do with ease because Forrest is easy to bring down. But I would like a knockout just to prove the haters wrong.
Do you even know who Forrest is?
No way in hell Forrest is cockier than Tito, when did you last hear Forrest talk about how much his fans love him, or how big a star he is?
I agree, Tito wouldn’t have run out of the octagon after a fight with Silva, mostly because he wouldn’t have gotten in there with Silva in the first place, probably start saying that they were buddies and had been to each others houses for BBQs. Let’s not forget that he spent half his career ducking chuck, no way in a million years he’d fight andy.
Plus Forrest has a great sprawl and a decent subs game and he will surprize you!!
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
totally different
At the time Machida wasn’t held in as high regard, wasn’t even champ. Plus he may not have cried, but he certainly through a little tantrum when he couldn’t get his hands on Machida.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
what is hulking up? and what are you talking about with the "charged him" thing
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
he got mad
then charged in with strikes and actually landed a few. worked much better than the patience approach.
agreed, but he still lost
and you’re not disputing that taking a fight with Mach the best part of two years ago, is VERY different from taking a fight with a modern day Andy.
Plus I don’t hear any defence over the ducking Chuck issue or about Tito loving himself or any denial of Forrest’s sprawl or subs game. So I think we can agree that Tito is a limited
fight ducking ego maniac.
Yes he has good GnP but that is all he has.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
What does Forrest have?
You’re kind of veering off course here. Tito is fighting Forrest….a guy who couldn’t bust a grape with his fists, has nothing on Tito as far as the ground is concerned, and is basically left with nothing but kicks to try and win this fight.
It’s a bad fight for Forrest stylistically, IMO.
No way in hell Forrest will KO Tito (only a Chuck in his prime could do that)…..he can’t win on the ground……….and Tito will shoot every time Forrest kicks, unlike Rampage who is too stubborn to take someone down.
I’ll take Tito’s one-dimensional fighting style over Forrests zero-dimensional style any day of the week in this fight.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
Chuck?
C’mon….are people still saying he “ducked Chuck”?
He fought the guy twice. How many times does he have to fight him before people will be convinced that he’s willing to fight him? 1 more time? 4 more? 20 more?
It’s history.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
It's a fact
If you’re going to come into an argument half way through then atleast read the whole thing, instead of just picking random statements and disagreeing with them. ElStIkO suggested that Tito wouldn’t have cried after losing to anderson silva, I said he wouldn’t have taken that fight in the first place and used the ducking chuck scenario as an example.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Fact?
I think you need to take off the “Tito hatred goggles” and look at your assumption a little more clearly. Stating that it’s a “fact” that Tito would duck a fight with Silva is not a “fact”…..it’s the complete opposite of being a “fact”, actually.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
that would be tough for Silva
Tito can take a punch and if he took him down the guys huge compared to Anderson
WHAT!!!???
So you’re honestly hand on heart telling me that Tito could beat Anderson Silva… arguably the best p4p fighter in the world today… If that is what you’re saying then you are deluded
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Its all about match-ups
they put Silva up against all these strikers like Forrest and Irvin of course they lose the standup. Put him against a great wrestler it could be different.
like Hendo?? haha
still not easy…but a wrestler with striking is who will beat Silva
by McArthur... on Nov 18, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Lutter
If Lutter could mount Silva and maintain control (at least until the zombie that vaguely resembled Travis Lutter gassed)…..Tito would control Silva all day long on the ground, IMO.
Of course Tito would have to get him there first and that’s another story all together.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
Well then why didn't Hendo control him on the ground?
he’s probably a better wrestler than Lutter!
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
true
the fact that Hendo got his back takin with seconds left only tells me that he wouldn’t make that mistake again…props to Silva though
by McArthur... on Nov 18, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
??????
Sure his credentials are better than Lutter’s, but a fact is a fact….and the fact is Lutter handled Silva’s ground game better than Hendo did, and when comparing apples to apples (both fought the same guy)……Lutter looked better.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
yep
too many varibles involved to start comparing foot notes on how wrestlers handled Silva imo…let it be
by McArthur... on Nov 18, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
either way
Silva has lost 4 times, not one of those 4 guys was known for his wrestleing
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Ryo Chonan
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
All the greats except FEdro have losses...
Last time Tito fought anyone that mattered and won(against a ranked fighter)….Vladamir Matyeshenko(sp?) in 2001. Anderson Silva has cleaned out the best that the MW’s had to offer in Maquardt, Hendo, and FRanklin(2x’s) Since loosing to Ryo he has won 14 straight minus the DQ against Okami. Tito will not be bigger then Anderson by much and in fact maybe smaller. Anderson easily walks around @220/225 when he fights at 205. They are both 6’2" and Tito would be giving 4" in reach. Tito will get schooled and handled y AS. I don’t even know why people are talking like Tito counts yet. He has not beaten a ranked fighter in almost a decade. He should have to work his way out of the cellar and I hope he doesn’t get a title shot after fighting Forrest because it has been way to long since Tito has mattered.
agreed
I just think Tito would toss Lutter around like a rag doll, and if Lutter could mount Silva….Tito would do the same with him.
JMHO
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
having a hard time remembering....
Lutter took him down with single right?
by McArthur... on Nov 18, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I'm at work...
can’t even check my DVD’s
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
which reminds me...
SHIT… WORK!!!
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
me neither...
looks like I’ll be goin home for lunch today…haha
by McArthur... on Nov 18, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
not that it matters but
I’m just trying to remember if Lutter primarily used his Jits or wrestling to gain that position on Silva…no biggie
by McArthur... on Nov 18, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
found it
http://video.tiscali.it/canali/truveo/869008063.html
Silva went for a flying knee….Lutter caught it…..went form single to double……tookk him down.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
Tito refusing to defend his title against Chuck was the fact I was referring to.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Wrong intro
the “Fact” I was referring to was the fact that Tito frefused to defend his title against chuck.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Machida/Silva
How is that any different? They refuse to fight one another.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
Who's talking about Machida or Silva?
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
They won't fight each other
It’s the same thing, no?
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
So what
Back in the day when Tito “ducked” Chuck, these training camps were few and far between. When was this line drawn in the sand that guys at camps together are okay to not fight one another, but when camps weren’t neccesarily established yet….you were considered a “ducker”?
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
Yes...
but what’s that got to do with Tito. I never said Andy dodging Mach was ok.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Comparison
Just a comparison….that’s all.
As long as you call Tito a “ducker”…..you have to call everyone who says “I won’t fight my friend” a ducker as well.
That’s all I’m saying.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
difference being
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
chuck said he didn’t know what tito was talking about
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
$$$$$$
Chuck sold out.
There was a clique between Dana, Tito and Chuck.
Is it just a coincedence that Dana and tito became enemies around the same time Tito starting “ducking Chuck”?
No coincedence. Chuck followed the Dana money train…..Tito was hesitant.
Chuck sold tito out.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
I guess it just comes down to...
who you believe, I believe chuck, you believe tito.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much
Is one word against the other.
I just can’t really get past the Dana angle of it.
They were like the three amigos, and it is no coincedence that when Chuck turned “anti-tito”…..so did Dana.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
good point Intro...
not to rehash old arguements but Tito was clearly poked in the eye in their first fight…imo that caused him to lose…watch it again if you don’t believe me
by McArthur... on Nov 18, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Tito refused to defend his title against Chuck, even when Chuck was the clear No. 1 contender. He only fought him when Chuck had the title.
I'm kind of a big deal.
And this has bearing on what?
That was years ago, and Tito has fought him twice since then.
I won’t argue that Tito didn’t duck Chuck, because I have no proof that he didn’t…..just as you have no proof that he did. All I know is that he fought him twice since that alleged “ducking” took place…..and the whole reason everyone said he was “ducking” Chuck was that he was scared of Chuck. The “FACT” that he fought Chuck twice goes against the whole reasoning that everyone is using for stating he ducked him……that he was “scared” of him.
I was at UFC 66, and although it was in a losing effort, Tito didn’t look “scared” to me.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
Tito refused to fight him
and yes we all know that he fought him eventually.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
What are you basing this on?
What is your reason for Tito ducking Chuck?
My point being that most say he was scared of him. How many times does he have to fight him to convince you that he’s not scared of him?
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
I am simply stating...
that for a period of time Tito didn’t want to fight chuck, Tito claims it was because they were good friends, when asked, chuck said that they were never that close… and that he didn’t know what tito was talking about. and there was no question at the time that chuck was the biggest threat to tito’s belt… draw your own conclusions.
In the name of the Fedor, the Anderson and the GSP, Amen.
by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 18, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Who's to blame?
I know what your stating, but the basis of Tito’s decision is what the contraversy is. Tito’s word was what was called into question…..he said he didn’t want to fight his friend, and people accused him of “ducking, because he’s scared of Chuck”. Well, I’ve seen Tito fight chuck twice…….so the “scared” logic is a moot point.
The way I see it is that chuck sold out…that’s my opinion.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
mine too...
Chuck claims they were never that close but all the footage I’ve seen suggests otherwise…
by McArthur... on Nov 18, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
I think the difference today is that guys have established “camps”. Back then was different….everyone trained all over the place, and they seemed to be pretty damn close to me.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
Forrest has a slim chance
All I’m reading is how Tito is one-dimensional and has nothing but takedowns and GnP, but there is nothing yet about how Forrest can win it except a reference to leg kicks ala the Rampage fight. I don’t really see the comparison between ‘Page and Tito though. Forrest was able to kick so many times against Rampage, because there was zero chance Rampage was going to shoot for a takedown…..this is a completely different set of circumstances with Tito. More leg kicks could possibly damage Tito enough that it would slow down his takedowns, but every fight starts with fresh legs, and if Forrest tries for leg kicks early on in the fight he’ll end up on his back just like the first round of the last fight……looking at the clock, and eating elbows, and trying to survive.
Tito by Pound and Ground…………..round 1.
You kept making all the stops?
Well people kept ringing the bell !!!!!!
Tito has a decent stand-up
But he needs to go with the GNP. Score early and often. Cant let it go to the judges. Forrests sprawl defense will be nothing against Titos Offense. He didnt duck Chuck he honestly thought they were friends. Once he realized it didnt matter to Chuck he fought him. And then after beating Belfort he called him out. How is that ducking? He called Shamrock and Chuck out in the same night it was funny as hell.
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