TUF luck: Georges St. Pierre and Dan Hardy will not coach The Ultimate Fighter 11
by Jesse Holland on Nov 17, 2009 2:34 PM EST
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Reigning UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre is expected to face number one contender Dan Hardy in Spring of 2010 -- but it won't be as a Coach on Season 11 of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF).
Heavy.com is extinguishing some of the flames on a recent report that suggested the 170-pound rivals would first match wits with a team of budding amateurs to see who was the better coach -- prior to determining who was the better fighter.
As expected, St. Pierre fans were in a "Rush" to see the Canadian superstar in action and didn't feel like waiting an entire year for him to satisfy his obligations to reality television.
Whether it was that backlash or the lessons learned from past seasons (like the Matt Serra/Matt Hughes debacle) -- or perhaps just misinformation, it seems that TUF 11 will be in search of coaches not currently vying for a divisional title.
The Ultimate Fighter 11 will feature middleweight and light heavyweight fighters and is expected to premier in April 2010 on Spike TV.
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THANK GOD!!
Don’t be tyin up GSP with that shite! Give Rampage another shot…haha….Honestly I’ve had a few ideas for the next TUF…Nate/Silva, Tito/Chuck, or something to do with LW’s….After BJ/Diego I think we may have a bit of a prob in this division UNLESS they sign Gomi and make it Japan vs US, either BJ or Diego? Thoughts?
to explain
BJ/Diego SHOULD be a great fight and one that is fairly easy to market, but then what? Maynard? Doesn’t sit well with me although he is deserving. kenny, and Joe have had their turn but the division is lacking talent close to BJ. Its the same scenario as GSP in the WW division EXCEPT BJ has already tried to move up. Who should get the next crack at the LW title and why?
If Maynard wins, I guess that puts him as the next #1 contender. Sigh. Have a Tyson Griffin /Frank Edgar rematch to see who’s after that. Their first fight was awesome.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
sigh is an understatement
I would look forward to that fight but just don’t think either guy could come close to BJ or Diego.
that would mean that its not a moot point...
its going to be a problem…it IS downhill after that match and I don’t like it
IF Clay beats Florian, then Clay/Tyson should determine the next contender for the belt.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Nov 17, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
forgot they already had a fight . . . shit maynard scks!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Nov 17, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Id rather . . .
See Nick Diaz make a come back at 155 in the ufc, gomi would be alright but ive been there and done that, wont be any different, penn has packed on mad muscle since 5 years ago, treat ‘em like a rag doll, like he did Pulver in their rematch. Id like it if some more 170ers did what diego did and came down to 155, chris lytle, matt serra (come back down), even karo could cut the 15 lbs to be serious about getting a belt, none of those guys will EVER beat GSP or even really climb the lader to be close enough to challenge for the 170 strap. If 155 is your only chance at a belt, then get to 155 and stop kiding yourself just cuz you’re too lazy to make the cut.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Nov 17, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Edgar should be ahead of Tyson or Guida, regarless of what happens in their next fights.
This guy gets no respect. Sure he got snuggled by Maynard for a loss, but he has victories over Jim Miller, Tyson Griffin, Spencer Fisher, Hermes Franca AND Sean Sherk.
This guy is the Rodney Dangerfield of the UFC LW division, and IMO could drop to 145 and win the WEC Featherweight strap.
He is also the proud owner of what is without a doubt the douchiest signature shirt in circulation! Perhaps the douchiest article of clothing in the history of man!
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That has to be worth something, dammit!
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
You’ll never see Nick Diaz at 155 again. He has filled out as he’s progressed through his 20s. 170 is his ideal weight now.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Penn was near 30 when he returned to 155, but whatever you say man, last word king over here
by ( (Adam G) ) on Nov 17, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Is fatass BJ Penn six feet tall? Does he look perfectly at home at 185?
No?
Then shut up.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Fight Fight Fight!!!
I agree with you both, but have waited to see a good keyboard scrap with this new instant reply thing.. . .Come on AdamG, you gonna let JJ treat you like his bitch?!
Nah, I don’t want to hurt G.
Besides, he knows damn well that BJ blends in at 185 about as well as Adam blends in with a room full of high school graduates.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I like the Nate vs. Silva idea...
Not many people have seen a lot of Nate and I think it would be good exposure for him.
me too but
Chuck/Tito would be the highest rated TUF yet imo. Both have time, both like the spotlight, both have done it before, AND they still don’t like each other
But there'd be no Kimbo...
What’s the point of tuf without a street brawling sensation? In seriousness though I don’t think they’ll ever surpass the mark of ratings set on Kimbo’s fight
Are you kidding? It’s hard enough to get Anderson to fight someone right now as it is! Plus he doesn’t speak a lick of English, and his high-pitched voice would make me reminisce fondly back to the days of brilliant catch-phrases such as “titties” and “know what I’m sayin’”.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I mean the little game he and Open Soares have played with the media regarding Silva’s Elbow surgery and the legitimacy of his three potential opponents (Hendo, Nate, Vitor).
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
how can you disagree with the other 2?
because they’ve already tried once before. IMO that is the moot point. Regardless of what has happened in the past, they’ve both earned the shot and I wouldn’t be quick to dismiss them winning
He has to defend his title against somebody, and those three guys are all top-notch opposition. Who else would you suggest he fight?
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
really?!
c’mon buddy I know you would…and if not why? a fight is a fight I guess but we’re referring to top 3 fighters here. I’m surprised by that response OJR
the answer is def YES!
The best fighters should get the title shot PERIOD. If Hendo, Nate have worked their way back up the ladder then they should have the first chance. I agree that it may not be the best way to sell PPV’s but this is sport. I didn’t want to see the RedWings/Penguins play for the cup 2 years in a row but they did because they were the 2 best teams. I think we lose sight of this being a sport.
Than what is the point?
If a fighter already had a title and fail to cash it in that does not mean he can’t get another shot in the future. Come on, that would make all your training and hard work pointless. I know there are some money hungry fighters that only fight for a pay check but I hope the majority of them are in it to be champions!
Fighters mature and improve their skills so that one day they can get another title shot like GSP did.
haha..exceptions to every rule I guess
Maybe I should have worded it this way…rematches are only cool if one of my favs is getting a second chance…haha
*glances worriedly over shoulder at OJR*
Truth, Mac.
*scurries away*
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Spider
I like Silva, he is actually one of my favs but I don’t think is his decision who gets a title shot.
Except for BJ
I never really understood why he got a shot, when he didn’t make a climb for the belt. Everybody deserves a second shot but not a third!
no exceptions
Vtor himself said he’d rather have a couple fights at 185 before he fights Silva…he might need more confidence OJR…it would be a waste to throw him in there before he’s ready. Remember that Vitor is a couple years younger than Andy (I think)
As the old UFC adage goes...
When in doubt, give Handy a crack at it.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
How
can you agree with giving Vitor a shot and not the other 2…at least the other two have had fights at the weight in question within the UFC. Vitor has not fought at 185 yet in the UFC. I think both Dan and Nate deserve a shot over Vitor.
OJR, True but. . .
You forgot that Vitor already lost to Hendo. . so how can you say that he deserves a shot over Hendo?! I think Hendo still has the best chance at beating Silva. He just needs to train his cardio so he doesn’t crap out in the second round. . .Next would go differently I promise.
OJR
I agree with 90% of what you say. . but saying give Vitor a shot first. Period. . .is not a valid argument. Please explain how Vitor deserves a shot over Hendo. . .And saying that because Hendo lost to Silva before IS MMA MATH. Hendo would approach it completely different. Please enlighten us. . .
I feel that he doesn't have the right to question ALL of them, no.
And I don’t appreciate the misinformation campaign he’s waged with regard to whether he is or isn’t ready to go.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor’s negotiations involved signing with a promotion, and an unrealistic co-promotion stipulation. Once signed with an organization, Fedor has fought whomever was put in front of him, as has every current UFC champion. Silva should do the same.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I consider him the best fighter in the world. Period. A killer in three different weight classes.
I don’t think he is ducking anybody, and I think he would clown all three proposed challengers. I just think that since he beat Hendo he has become more and more arrogant, and the rules shouldn’t be different for him than any other champion.
You are the UFC MW champion. The UFC is desperate for title fights. You are about to set the record for consecutive title defences. The UFC has provided three elite-level challengers.
Shut up and fight one of them.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I agree JJ He should pick one and lets get it going
I kind of agree with you on the rematch logic OJR except that even though someone may loose by a wide margin they may have been somewhat stellar in following matches after the loss, so there has to be a balance/compromise between what that the champ and the contender each deserve and who has earned what and who would provide a challenge to the belt holder.
Not sure on that
I won’t loose any sleep on who gets the shot first but I think Vitor should have one more “warmup” fight for his sake and to help bring his best to the AS fight.
I think he has a very small chance but I also get the feeling throwing him in with AS so quickly comes across as a bit of a sacrificial move by the UFC.
WRONG! WRONG! OJR
No I think all three MW contenders there are more seasoned obviously and will come in with new (where applicable) and or better game plans and that they all have a chance.
Hardy has a 5% chance of capitalizing on a GSP error and that is all. Period, lol
Personally...
he always has that smug look and can’t speak English…at least Wand, Vitor try and speak it. He’s buying into his own hype, choosing opponents, Open Soares isn’t tranlating exactly what he says, he fucked with my mind and money in Montreal and I’’ll never forgive him… lol
As long as it's not GSP
Who cares who is coaching as long as they aren’t tying up any belts. They need these belts in circulation. Injuries and illnesses are killing title fights, they don’t need TUF to hold up another one.
That being said...
the HW title is already held up…why not have Carwin/Brock coach the next season if at all possible. This will keep the hatred alive and keep them in the public eye. Its not like they’ll be fighting soon anyhow
not a bad idea if brock is up to the task. not sure how much of a coach he would make as he comes across as a selfish, grumpy prick…….. still one of my favourite fighters mind! :)
true wish it was more about good fights! hasnt dana stated that season 11 they are gonna change things around? i know he says all kinds of trash to promote the show but it has me intrigued as to how they could shake things up
Not if the next Junie Browning rapes his family first.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree, Mac. It;s already been over four months since GSP defended his strap. The way things are going, the UFC needs to keep it’s champions fighting as much as possible. And that show has degerated into a semen-eating contest between guys that can’t go five minutes without taking a breather.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
no need to tell me
although this seasson hasn’t had much semen, piss, or feces in it, the talent pool is by far at an all time low
5 belts for the roster as big as the ufc's?
there should be more belts up for grabs, in my opinion. would love to see a cruiserweight division 205 – 220.
i think in the next few years it wouldn’t surpeise me if we see european titles up for grabs. a british boxer can fight for british title, european title, commonwealth title and world title!
No dude
adding all those in between weight divisions is what has made a good majority of the boxing title meaningless. They need to keep the words cruiser, super and junior out of MMA.
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
well forest cuts from his everyday weight of 220 to 205 so yes, but thats not to say someone who weighs in at 240 couldn’t cut weight to make 220.
somebody, cant remember who, said last week that they would expect lesnar to beat someone like randy all the time because of the size difference between the two despite the fact they are in the same weight class, and that the difference in size was equivalent to the difference between forest and bj!
so if you have someone like say cain velasquez who weighs around the 240 mark cutting to 220 to fight, he would give major problems to most fighters in that 205 – 220 bracket. i think there would be a lot of potentially good fights if that division existed.
just my opinion!
despite the fact they are in the same weight class, and that the difference in size was equivalent to the difference between forest and bj!
While the weight discrepancy between the fighters may be the same (roughly 50-60 pounds), it is nowhere near an equivalent size difference, since that 55 pounds would equate to 1/3 of BJ’s total body mass, and would only be a 1/5 of Lesnar’s. Point taken, though.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bring in...
coaches as opposed to fighters. that way the show can focus on the actual young fighters as opposed to pretend coaching rivalries.
maybe they can get some decent talent on the show for the first time since TUF 5
dude.....i am
not a bad idea...
Jackson vs ATT, Blackhouse vs Couture with the show winner getting a contract and a year free of gym fees
That’s good news. Although I think it would make for some entertaining t.v, I can’t wait a year without seeing the greatest welterweight in the world perform.
I don’t think it would be particularly compelling.
While Hardy is more than happy to douche it up at a moment’s notice, GSP is not going to compromise his image for Zuffa and Spike’s benefit. He does his trash talking in the cage.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
and...
he’s got HUGE contracts with Gatorade and Under Armour…they might have something to say about the way he acts on TV no?
haha
he LOVES that suit…he’d probably wear it all season as he’s coaching…come to think he should wear it during his entrance to the cage
Does he have like seven pairs of identical suits or something?
Enough with the pinstripes Georges, unless you throw on a top hat and a monacle.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
How about Royce Gracie and Dan Severn as coaches. Two UFC Hall of Famers, different styles, put on one of the greatest fights in open weight UFC history, no holding up fights or titles, and the fighters would actually learn something.
Somewhat
Somewhat serious. I know it would not generate much commercial interest, but it would be better for MMA and for the fighters on the show
by domino effect on Nov 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Atleast we agree on one idea
This is what I actually think will happen. From a marketable standpoint, this is the best option the UFC has. Big names, and it could actually be sold as a title eliminator match. By the time they fought, there could be 2 205 title fights, meaning there would be no belt hold-ups. Everyone knows that either of these guys is popular enough (whether or not they would deserve it is a different story) to get a title shot with two straight wins. All depends on Tito beating Forest though
by domino effect on Nov 17, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
I could care less who coaches TUF. I’ve been burnt on that show for a while now. I have no interest in it whatsoever.
@fjbar75 on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
They could shut 'er down.
TUF served its purpose by helping put MMA on the mainstream map. At this point it is doing more harm than good, IMO. Sometimes you have to know when to quit BEFORE complete failure occurs. Unfortunately, capitalism being what it is, these chimps will run the show (and the sport) into the ground before it’s all said and done.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
One last season with Arianny and Logan as the coaches, then they settle their differences in a two out of three falls match. First fall in baby oil, second in jello, third in a bra-and-panties match.
I'm kind of a big deal.
A fantastic idea, but really that’s only one episode worth of material. Besides, my wrist is finally 100% and I don’t want to reinjure it.
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)
by Jeremyjackson on Nov 17, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
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