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UFC 105 predictions, preview and analysis

UFC 105: "Couture vs. Vera" is set to go down this Saturday, November 14, 2009 from the Manchester Evening News (MEN) Arena in Manchester, England, via tape delay on Spike TV.

Remember: MMAmania.com will provide LIVE updates with blow-by-blow, round-by-round commentary of the main card action on fight night, which is slated to air at 9 p.m. ET.

To get us pumped for the event, MMAmania.com Editor and Senior Writer, Jesse Holland (that’s me), has kept with today's theme of "change" and rallied the troops for a breakdown of the televised fights. All your favorite contributors are here, including a rare appearance by Johnny-come-recluse site commandant MMAmania.

One of the big stories coming into this event is of course the headlining fight between Randy Couture and Brandon Vera. It's "The Natural's" first bout at light heavyweight since Chuck Liddell retired him at UFC 57 back in 2006.

Is "Captain America" still a viable threat at 205-pounds?

There are still a lot of unanswered questions regarding the future of the welterweight division. Should the winner of Mike Swick vs. Dan Hardy get first dibs on current champion Georges St. Pierre?

And does either man stand a chance against "Rush" if they do?

Also on tap is a defining match between Michael Bisping and Denis Kang. Can "The Count" rebound from his devastating knockout at the hands of Dan Henderson to re-establish himself as a middleweight contender? Or is Kang going to expose him as a pretender once and for all?

There will certainly be a lot to talk about on Sunday morning.

I’ve also included the current betting lines for each fight so that you can get a feel for what the money has to say about the chances of each combatant.

Now, enough with the formalities … let’s get cracking:

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205 lbs.: Randy "The Natural" Couture (16-10) vs. Brandon "The Truth" Vera (11-3)

Backgrounds:

Couture:

Record (last five fights): 2-3
Notable wins: Started off red hot as a returning heavyweight, winning two straight...
Notable losses: ...then came up short against Brock Lesnar and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.
Strengths: Incomparable wrestling, effective dirty boxing, nothing he hasn't seen inside the cage.
Weaknesses: Not to suggest he's getting old but I hear his camp was sponsored by Ensure.

Vera:

Record (last five fights): 3-2
Notable wins: Put an end to "The Polish Experiment", pushed "Riptide" Reese back out to sea.
Notable losses: Let a win slip away against Keith Jardine, stopped by Fabricio Werdum at UFC 85.
Strengths: Dangerous striker, underrated jits, big for the weight class.
Weaknesses: Inconsistent. Looks brilliant in one fight, lost in the next.

MMAmania predicts: Randy Couture will look to make his triumphant return to the light heavyweight division, taking on an opponent, Brandon Vera, who just like him couldn't cut it among the big boys anymore. Vera is younger and faster, but who cares, everyone Couture fights at this stage of his career falls into that category. He's got great stand up, but that won't be much of a factor if and when "The Natural" closes the distance and boxes him up against the cage. Wrestling? Vera was an Olympic hopeful who went to the training center in Colorado, Springs, Colo., back in 2000. One of his instructors? None other than three-time Olympic team alternate (1988, 1992 and 1996), Randy Couture.

That experience, tied into his eventual transition to mixed martial arts, left Vera looking up to Couture as his "idol" ... or something like that. It's pretty simple: Anything Vera can do Couture can do better. And if he can't, he has the Octagon experience to nullify it. Let's also remember the "idol" factor, which should never be overlooked (See Georges St. Pierre vs. Matt Hughes I). Vera knows how to play the game, but Couture practically invented it.

Betting lines (as of Nov. 13):

Couture: -120 ((Bet Now))

Vera: -110 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Couture via unanimous decision

170 lbs.: Mike "Quick" Swick (14-2) vs. Dan "The Outlaw" Hardy (22-6)

Backgrounds:

Swick:

Record (last five fights): 4-1
Notable wins: Four straight over rising (and falling) stars...
Notable losses: ...after getting kicked out of the middleweight division by Yushin Okami.
Strengths: Blistering hand speed, good cardio, black belt in Swick-Fu.
Weaknesses: Beanpole at 170, easily frustrated, competing in hostile territory.

Hardy:

Record (last five fights): 5-0
Notable wins: Made a head case out of Marcus Davis, turned the lights out on Rory Markham.
Notable losses: Winner of six straight.
Strengths: Great hands, 11-1 since 2006 and looks better every time.
Weaknesses: Suspect ground game, unproven against a top five fighter.

Japanese Sensation predicts: With a welterweight title shot within reach, Mike Swick and Dan Hardy step into the cage for a high-stakes battle.

Swick and Hardy are known primarily as strikers. As happens when fighters with similar strengths square off, they can come out guns blazing to make an impact early or respect each others strength and opt for a more cautious approach. With the welterweight title shot on the line, I can see the latter scenario unfolding with both fighters wary of making mistakes.

On the feet, the two will feel each other out and look for openings. Hardy probably will make use of his repertoire of kicks to thwart Swick from rushing in with a flurry of lighting-quick punches. Eventually the fight will enter the grappling realm, with the two clinching against the cage and one of them scoring the takedown.

It is difficult to truly gauge their grappling prowess. Swick has shown a glimpse of his wrestling against Marcus Davis: Working with fighters like Josh Koscheck and Jon Fitch on a regular basis at American Kickboxing Academy certainly helps shore up his ability to score and defend against takedowns. Also, his win over Joe Riggs via "Swickitine" shows that he has some submission tricks up his sleeve. When Hardy fought in Cage Force in Japan, he failed to make a big impact due to his wrestling liability and pedestrian skills on the ground. Since then, he has benefited from his training at 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu with Eddie Bravo. The result showed against Marcus Davis, as he displayed sound positioning and submission defense on the ground.

While the extent to which the size plays a role in the fight is hard to assess, Swick holds the advantage, as he is slightly taller and has successful track record in the middleweight division against the likes of Dave Loiseau and Joe Riggs. A knockout victory for either fighter is a real possibility. That said, the non-striking factors will also play significant roles in the fight. Both Swick and Hardy will land solid shots in the striking exchange. As they move in and out of striking and other realms of fighting -- clinch and on the ground -- Swick will edge Hardy en route to a decision victory.

Betting lines (as of Nov. 13):

Swick: -225 ((Bet Now))

Hardy: +180 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Swick via unanimous decision

185 lbs.: Michael "The Count" Bisping (17-2) vs. Denis Kang (32-11-1)

Backgrounds:

Bisping:

Record (last five fights): 3-2
Notable wins: Outpointed a roided up Chris Leben, smashed Jason Day and Charles McCarthy.
Notable losses: Lost the ability to chew solid food thanks to Dan Henderson.
Strengths: Good cardio, technically proficient on the feet, good at crushing cans.
Weaknesses: Huge question mark in confidence and mental game following UFC 100 knockout.

Kang:

Record (last five fights): 3-2
Notable wins: Lackluster decision over "Professor X," clowned Marvin Eastman at "Raw Combat."
Notable losses: Got too comfortable against Alan Belcher and got choked out for it.
Strengths: Dangerous striker, ton of experience, big for the weight class.
Weaknesses: Hot and cold -- often in the same fight. All the tools to be world class -- and all the mistakes to keep him from it.

Derek Bolender predicts: Bisping is coming off, let's just say, a quality loss to Dan Henderson at UFC 100 in what was essentially the "overhand right heard ‘round the world."

Prior to that point Bisping was 7-1 inside the Octagon and the European poster boy for the UFC. He looked good at times, mediocre at times and for the most part was given cupcakes along the way. Not to mention any names; Eric Schafer, Elvis Sinosic, Charles McCarthy, Jason Day, and a past-his-prime and steroid infused Chris Leben.

The way he was marketed simply did not match his skill set and I never bought into him as a serious contender. Then he graciously proved me right the second he started ramming his chin into Hendo's fist and ignoring his corner's advice to stop circling left into his right hand.

For his "comeback" fight against Denis Kang we don't really know what to expect. Fighters react differently to being on the wrong end of brutal knockouts, both mentally and physically. Assuming he is back to 100% he is going to have to use his kickboxing skills to tee off on the mid-section of Kang and utilize a ton of knees in the clinch. He may just have what it takes to pull off a decision victory if he is smart. You already know where I'm going with this prediction though.

Trusting Bisping's chin and his ability to adjust a game plan on the fly would be like trusting your "flirty" girlfriend not to cheat on you again. In other words, Kang is not the caliber of fighter you want to be facing on your road back from La-La Land.

It's hard to say a man with 46 career professional fights is a virtual unknown, but that is the case with Kang, given only two have been under Dana White's watch in the UFC. He does have a lot of mileage accumulated from his years in the fight game but he has yet to show me any clear signs of slowing down.

Yes, he was subbed by Alan Belcher at UFC 93 in his UFC debut, however, he was dictating the pace of that fight prior to getting caught in a guillotine choke. He rebounded nicely with a unanimous decision victory over Xavier Foupa-Pokam at UFC 97.

Whether we're talking experience, overall striking, or submissions Kang has the edge. He is clearly the more well-rounded fighter. Between his time spent training with Firas Zahabi in Canada and at American Top Team in Florida, fighting Bisping will likely be a step down compared to the sparring sessions he's encountered between the two camps.

Expect Bisping to receive his first loss in his home country of England that he should have received against Matt Hamill back at UFC 75. In the words of the great philosopher Michael Scott from NBC's The Office, "Fool me once, strike one. Fool me twice, strike three."

You're out as a middleweight championship contender for good Mike.

Betting lines (as of Nov. 13):

Bisping: -105 ((Bet Now))

Kang: -125 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Kang via unanimous decision

 

170 lbs.: Matt "The Immortal" Brown (10-7) vs. James "Lightning" Wilks (6-2)

Backgrounds:

Brown:

Record (last five fights): 3-2
Notable wins: Gave Pete Sell a near-death experience, planished Matt Arroyo.
Notable losses: "Stun Gun" Kim got the better of him in 2008, as did Chris Lytle a year before that.
Strengths: Great intensity, much improved, big heart.
Weaknesses: A little stiff, needs to learn how to balance his attacks during the fight.

Wilks:

Record (last five fights): 4-1
Notable wins: Stunned DaMarques Johnson in dominating fashion at June 20 TUF Finale.
Notable losses: Lost on points to Patrick Speight back in 2006.
Strengths: Unassuming offense, well rounded, unflappable.
Weaknesses: Failed to impress during TUF stint, needs another big win to cement his status.

Adam Wagner predicts: The first thing you have to do when considering Matt Brown is to throw his record out the window. Forget the fact that he’s 9-7 overall and remember that he’s 3-1 in the UFC (and easily could be 4-0 if it weren’t for a razor-thin split decision loss to Dong Hyun "Stun Gun" Kim). Brown took a few fights early in his career that he probably shouldn’t have, but seems to be on solid ground today under the tutelage of Jorge Gurgel.

Coming off a brutal TKO victory over Pete Sell, Brown’s called "The Immortal" for a reason — and let’s just say it’s because he’s bat-shit crazy … but in a good way. One of the most feared competitors on The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) Season 7, Brown has shown decent Muay Thai and boxing skills in his four UFC fights, and he’s on his way toward a judo black belt. That said, Brown may want to avoid going to the ground with Wilks.

Call me crazy, but James Wilks — perhaps the least celebrated TUF winner since Travis Lutter — is very underrated on the ground. He earned his spot in the TUF 9 house by submitting the highly touted Che Mills — an early favorite, despite being largely unknown to American audiences. Wilks then gave Frank Lester his nickname, "Frankie Four Teeth," finishing him in two separate fights.

At the TUF 9 Finale, Wilks did it again, subbing the odds-on favorite DaMarques Johnson in the first round. He does it consistently and without fanfare … and that’s the type of grappler you want to avoid.

While Brown’s BJJ blue belt may not hold up to Wilks’ brown belt, "The Immortal" is still the favorite to win (-155 to Wilks’ +125). His key to victory is to test Wilks’ chin early and often and to avoid the ground, where Brown has been submitted in five of his seven defeats. If he’s able to do this, Brown should be able to secure a victory. But the longer this fight goes, the more chances he’ll give Wilks of catching him in a choke.

Betting lines (as of Nov. 13):

Brown: -155 ((Bet Now))

Wilks: +125 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Brown via unanimous decision

155 lbs.: Ross "The Real Deal" Pearson (9-3) vs. Aaron Riley (28-11-1)

Backgrounds:

Pearson:

Record (last five fights): 4-1
Notable wins: Squeaked past Andre Winner to take the TUF 9 crown
Notable losses: Outpointed by Abdul Mohamed in Oct. 2008.
Strengths: Aggressive, strong, hard to finish.
Weaknesses: Untested on the big stage, nerves could be a factor in hometown appearance.

Riley:

Record (last five fights): 4-1
Notable wins: Sent Jorge Gurgel packing at UFC 91.
Notable losses: Hiccup against Shane Nelson that was quickly erased in their rematch.
Strengths: Underrated submission game, strong and resilient.
Weaknesses: Hasn't finished an opponent in seven attempts.

Nate Lawson predicts: Ross Pearson last competed at The Ultimate Fighter 9 Finale where he defeated fellow British hopeful Andre Winner via unanimous decision to gain the title of "The Ultimate Fighter." The UFC is wasting no time testing the 155-pound Brit, as they have matched "The Real Deal" against the experienced Aaron Riley, who has 40 professional fights and is coming off a dominant unanimous decision victory over Shane Nelson at UFC 101: "Declaration."

Riley’s past fight, a rematch against Nelson, displayed what problems an undersized lightweight can have against a guy like Riley. Pearson is anything but undersized and will likely be looking to utilize the same tactics he used against Winner. However, Pearson’s performance will have to be on a different level than his bout with Winner, as he goes up against a heavily experienced opponent. Riley will be able to utilize the experience gap and grind out a unanimous decision victory when Pearson is unable to dictate the fight in the same manner he did against Winner.

Betting lines (as of Nov. 13):

Pearson: -200 ((Bet Now))

Riley: +160 ((Bet Now))

Prediction: Riley via unanimous decision

That’s a wrap, folks.

Remember to come check us out after the show for all the latest results, recaps and coverage of "Couture vs. Vera."

What do you think? Now it’s your turn … let us have it in the comments section and share your thoughts and picks for Saturday’s event.

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i don’t know if randy is still relevant or not, and i don’t know if a win over brandon says a whole lot he should match up with him well if he can wrestle him the whole match.

by roy1 on Nov 13, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Not Relevant

But Randy will get a title shot with a win, no matter how boring/unconvincing/controversial it may be. Count on it.

by P-Dub on Nov 13, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Swick is up to -240 favorite now!

Happy I finally decided to place my bet yesterday at -210

Swick edges Hardy
Wilks shocks again and subs Matt Brown
Riley dominates

For the most part on the other fights, flip a coin!

by ViolentMike on Nov 13, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Good bets

For one I wouldn’t be surprised by a Wilks victory…Brown’s stock has gone up a bit much since that win over Sell

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

THE IMMORTAL ONE

His stock was already up before that fight when he beat stun gun but got screwd by the judges …..and this air’s at 8 pm not 9 pm

by GOLDIGGAH on Nov 13, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, not relevant...OLD!

P-Dub, are you PW from the oldskool MMAMania? I just don’t wanna be cinfusin’ some peepz with some others…

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by The Negation on Nov 13, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I had to change from PW, but yeah, I’m from all the way back to when this was UFCMania.

by P-Dub on Nov 13, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

same PW!! war UFCmania, that brings back memories.

I don’t think there are that many of us on here that actually REMEMBER this site being UFCmania. I didn’t used to comment back then but i still was on it religiously.

by Blunt n' Beer on Nov 13, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

never been a huge poster

However a long time reader, and the memories of UFCmania are great. This was one of the first sites i found to be more informative than the “pre-school name calling” that are most other sites.

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by Man.Bear.Pig on Nov 13, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

UFCmania!!

first mma site i found! way back when they counted the top bloggers lol

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by ppwwpp on Nov 14, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

UFCmania!!

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by ppwwpp on Nov 14, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely! Remember who topped that list back in the day?

by ViolentMike on Nov 14, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks man

It was my halloween costume this year. Paying tribute to one of the greatest.

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by Man.Bear.Pig on Nov 14, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

kinda lost

I recognixe Negation and P-Dub. I think I saw Shonuff too. What the hell? I have been gone for like 4 days. haha

by naturalshadow on Nov 14, 2009 4:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Relevant

He will be relevant at LHW with a win.

by iagoof22 on Nov 13, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Randy is still relevant...

until proven otherwise. Losing to the two best Heavyweights doesn’t make someone irrelevant against smaller guys. Randy would dominate Cain Velasquez and people seem to think he’s relevant at HW.
Vera was never relavant at any weight. This fight is only relevant if Randy loses. If he wins, so what he beat #18 ranked never-was. If he loses, I might have to retract my assertion of his continued relevance.

by (shonuff) on Nov 13, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

HOW DO I BET???

Does anyone know about betting from Canada and anything about cashing in and tax implications?
I have not bet on anything as of yet but want to start and don’t know enough?
Anyone want to educate me or point me somewhere I can what the hell to do and options etc?

Thx

by Syncro on Nov 13, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is my online gambling advice:

Don’t.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Nov 13, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

MY HUGE WEEK

As of right now I’m up 3k.
I parlayed Couture, Vera and Swick.
am going to parlay swick and Pacquio both for 100
I’m going to do a monster 4 team parlay in football for 1k that wins 5 k (round robin style).
also bet 100 on Tito as a dog and am thinking a big one on tito and baroni big dog parlay!

by kevjack115 on Nov 13, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Parlay

What’s your football parlay look like…

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure yet
NO
Denver
still researching 2 more! It’s a big bet, wanna be sure!

by kevjack115 on Nov 13, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Out on a limb

but I think Wash will cover at home vs Denver

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

really? denver is coming off 2 losses and need a win. I like denver money line! hmmm, gotta go do more research!

by kevjack115 on Nov 13, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

your prob right…just think orton is rattled and that Denver’s run game is suspect and will be tested vs Haynesworth. What are your thoughts on GB/Dall and Phi/SD?

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Love dallas
I like Philly
dallas over looks great! probably adding that to big play!

by kevjack115 on Nov 13, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Seattle’s “D” is REAL weak but thats what I thought before they lost to Carolina too.

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Mac or any canadian....

Who do you use for wagers?

I’ve never done an actual online bet – just deal with local sharks I’ve known for far too long.

by Bigger Zino on Nov 13, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

proline junkie here buddy

other than that, just work/buddy pools…don’t really like playing the spreads but have won some decent money playin proline over the last few years

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

redskins

washington’s defence is unraveling just as bad as their offence right now…denver willl smoke them……like come’on they lost to the lions

by GOLDIGGAH on Nov 13, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

so…raiders beat Philly, carolina beat ari, once a week someone gets surprised…I just think wash will cover, not win

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

WASH???

No way Wash covers that spread. Already have 3 parlays on that game.

by MBOW on Nov 13, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

added these props!

11/13/2009 8:59 PM Future/Prop 50.00 82.50 MMA Props – UFC 105 – Brandon Vera vs Randy Couture – Fight Outcome – Couture wins by Decision +165
86437368-2 11/13/2009 8:59 PM Future/Prop 50.00 145.00 MMA Props – UFC 105 – Dan Hardy vs Mike Swick – Fight Distance – Fight ends in Round – 1 +290
86437368-3 11/13/2009 8:59 PM Future/Prop 50.00 125.00 MMA Props – UFC 105 – Dan Hardy vs Mike Swick – Fight Outcome – Swick wins by KO, TKO, or DQ +250
86437368-4 11/13/2009 8:59 PM Future/Prop 50.00 147.50 MMA Props – UFC 105 – Michael Bisping vs Denis Kang – Fight Outcome – Bisping wins by Decision +295

by kevjack115 on Nov 13, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

7 pt teaser

Broncos +2.5
TItans Even
VIkings -9.5
Saints -7.5
KC/Oakland under 44
Patriots +9.5
Ravens -5

I dont typically put that many teams on a teaser, but this week I found tempting.

by ViolentMike on Nov 13, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

well dayum

pats at +9.5 is a bad pic…..kc and oakland have no defence so they might have over 44…and the titans will have a tough time with buffalo this week

by GOLDIGGAH on Nov 13, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

“pats +9 is a bad pick.”
I took pats moneyline, Indy has been struggling with everyone, pats win this one out right!

by kevjack115 on Nov 13, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of Indy’s secondary is banged up…Moss, Welker are going to have big days but I still think 9.5 is a lot. Indy has just as much fire power in the air but Addai won’t do shit against NE’s run D

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

raiders D ain’t that bad, but I hear what you’re saying, I was going to leave that one off.

by ViolentMike on Nov 13, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Raiders/KC D?

 The only thing the raiders and KC have is a D otherwise they would be the like the Browns or Rams with out a doubt that ones under 44 unless both there D’s score at least 14 points.

by Puck Head on Nov 13, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't have to work kev!

If I were you, I’d just be bettin’ because we pretty much have a knack for this thing…!

no signatures...

by The Negation on Nov 13, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

that warrants a little explanation because you cant parlay fighters who re going up against each other in in the same wager.

by naturalist on Nov 14, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Pound per Pound best

this may not be relevent but who here would love to watch Fedor vs anderson silva.

by Roger81 on Nov 13, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

hell ya

id love to see silva get fucked up

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Nov 13, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

who wouldn't?!?!

that’s the most “relevant” fight in MMA. Silva is only 10-15lbs from Fedor, whereas Brock is more than 50 lbs heavier than Fedor. therefore

Silva vs Fedor is a more even fight and a more important fight for Fedor’s legacy.

by (shonuff) on Nov 13, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

How come nobody cried about the size disparity between Fedor and Rogers or Fedor and Timmay or Fedor and Hong Man Choi? Why is it only when Brock’s name comes up that people start whining that Brock is too big and strong and start making excuses even before the imaginary fight?

by P-Dub on Nov 13, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe because Brock is huge AND highly skilled AND lightning fast. In the past you weren’t allowed to have more than 1 or 2 of those assets. ….

No, I’m responding to all the Silva lovers who think it’s not “fair” to make him fight a “Heavyweight” who’s only 10 lbs bigger, but then scream that Fedor and GSP are “ducking” or “not challenging themselves” because they haven’t fought the best guys in the world who are 40 or 50 lbs bigger than them.

All I’m saying is that Anderson/Fedor is much more fair and relevant than GSP/Anderson or Fedor/Brock

by (shonuff) on Nov 13, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

spot on

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Nov 13, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm as big an Andy lover as anyone...

And I have no problems with my man taking on Fedor, that would be a dream fight. Andy and Fedor are a similar size, one chose to fight at several different weight classes the other chose to take on bigger fighters, and both have dominated the competition. These are the best 2 MMAsts of all time in my opinion and an Andy-Fedor fight would truly prove who is the best.

I believe that the 3 fighters with the best chance at beating Fedor are Brock, Andy and Machida the former because of his size, strength and wrestling while the latter 2 have the technical striking and speed to give Fedor fits, I hope to see all 3 fight him one day but there’s no chance of that ever happening unfortunately.

by David W-S on Nov 13, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

GSP would dominate AS.

I REALLY don’t see how Anderson could knock out GSP like everyone thinks. He has never fought anyone NEAR the level of GSP and has never proven able to knock people out as they’re shooting in.

by frosnt1 on Nov 14, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

GSP wouldn't dominate Andy

I don’t see what GSP can do, he’d be the much smaller man if they fought and Andy has already beaten bigger wrestlers than him e.g. Hendo, plus Andy has the far superior striking. I like GSP and I want to see this fight but I don’t see him winning against the best counterpuncher in MMA, he’s too small and his wrestling won’t be enough to beat Andy, as Silva is too dangerous standing and off his back.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

GSP!

David you better believe that GSP could beat AS. The only reason Hendo lost that fight is because he gassed. GSP would slam him on his head and grind a win out of AS. He isn’t too small. At 185 AS doesn’t look big at all.

by jay. on Nov 14, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

SO TRUE

I’ve been calling for this for the last 2 years. Everyone complains that Anderson is a true Middle weight. BS . . . Anderson and Fedor are both true LHW’s. Do you remember how big Anderson looked against Forrest (who is not a little LHW by the way)?

by haglnuts on Nov 13, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

I’d say Forest and Fedor are very close in natural weight

by McArthur... on Nov 13, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

fuhreal doh!

Fedor weighed 232 with his jeans and shoes on at the Rogers weigh in. By most accounts Anderson walks around at 220-230 and he has a hight and reach advantage over Fedor.

by (shonuff) on Nov 13, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If Anderson can cut to 185, at compete just as if not more effectively at that weight than at any other, isn’t that by definition his “true” fighting weight?

by JRN on Nov 13, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Good question. . .

Is he therefore still considered the best P4P, when another guy (FEDOR) is actually undefeated and fights at his natural weight, without cutting? Hmmmm. ..

by haglnuts on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

To be a true pound-for-pound best...

You must be able to jump weight classes with relative ease. Anderson does that. Fedor can’t.

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by The Negation on Nov 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally Disagree

This is fighting NOT dieting!! Fedor fights people on a consistent basis that weight 40 pounds more than him and he pounds them. THAT is what it means to be P4P. Not the ability to bounce around weight classes.

by haglnuts on Nov 13, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct, haglnuts.

Guys, for the last time…

P4P implies that you are a better fighter in your weight class than any other fighters are in theirs.

Moving up in weight can go a long way to establishing your greatness, but is not necessary to prove you are completely dominant within your given weight class. A fighter could move up and lose to a bigger man in a higher weight class, move back down and dominate, and still be the best P4P in the world.

If Pacquiao loses to Cotto tomorrow tonight, is Cotto a better P4P fighter than he is? No. He is merely the bigger, stronger man, fighting in his natural weight class against a blown-up lightweight. A great fighter to be sure, but nowhere near the skill level of Manny.

That said, P4P is an asinine and unprovable distinction in the first place.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Nov 13, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Mr. Jackson gets it. It is a shame most don’t.

by BNF on Nov 13, 2009 8:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Preach it, JJ! There’s so much misunderstanding of what P4P means. This is why I think GSP is way ahead of Anderson in P4P. GSP has completely dominated every significant fighter his size. Anderson has completely dominated fighters 40 lbs smaller than him and only fought 3 or 4 guys his own size. No P4P points for weight cutting!

by (shonuff) on Nov 13, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

GSP is the p4p king!

No doubt about it he’s the most dominant fighter in his weight class.

by frosnt1 on Nov 14, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

compare the fighters they face.

GSP is fighting the better competition. Based on that alone GSP is the P4P King.

by jay. on Nov 14, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

No more titleshots for Couture please

5 decisions eh? I don’t think so.

But I do agree with all your picks except Couture, I believe and hope Vera will take the fight.

My picks, again:

Vera – Decision
Kang – TKO
Swick – Decision
Brown – TKO
Riley – Decision

by Lester The Pimp on Nov 13, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

UFC Bets

So far I got some loot on:

Wilks
Swick
Riley

by ViolentMike on Nov 13, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hardy is for real

My picks:

Vera – Close fight split decision
Kang- Tko 2nd
Hardy- Ko first round
Brown – Decision or late stoppage
Riley- Decision

COME BACK RAMPAGE!!

by Clinton Jackson (jared on Nov 13, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Picks

Couture by UD
Swick by TKO R2
Kang by UD (KO if Bisping fights aggressively)
Wilks by Submission (RNC) R2 (Brown’s Man City shirt at the weigh-ins didn’t impress me either)
Riley by UD

Can’t wait for this show, my first time going to a live UFC show. I should be going to Hardy’s afterparty before heading back home to watch Pacman-Cotto. I’m going to see if I can get to meet Randy at his book signing, hopefully I’ll be able to buy his book on the door, before heading back to uni. Should be a crazy weekend of fighting and drinking.

by David W-S on Nov 13, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

WARRRRRR MATT BROWN!!!

by HardBoiled on Nov 13, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

i hope swick damages hardy, i have him for a TKO

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Nov 13, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Hey gang.

Back from a long posting hiatus.

I’m a busy busy boy.

Love the mandatory registration. This place had become a certified mongoloid factory, now it will hopefully be downgraded to Special Olympian status.

I’ll be watching this event on replay tomorrow, because I’ve already ordered the fight of the year in Paquiao/Cotto. Gonna be a barnburner.

Vera will take out Methuselah™ tonight.

Official JJ™ UFC 105 main card picks:

Vera
Swick
Kang
Brown
Riley

Lots to talk about that I missed out on here, with Machida and Feds and what not. I’ll check back in when I can.

Peace.

by Jeremyjackson on Nov 13, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome back JJ

Hope everything is good. It’ll be quite a while before I’m back regularly but I’ll be dipping in and out.

The one and only Smitty...

by D_Smith on Nov 13, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Randy (but rooting for Vera)
Swick
Kang
Wilks (I wouldn’t count Brown out for anything though)
Riley

The one and only Smitty...

by D_Smith on Nov 13, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

JJ!

Dude is this the REAL JJ or the lame ass troll poser imposter?! lol. Welcome back bro!

by haglnuts on Nov 13, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Authentic, brother.

Often imitated, never duplicated. Accept no substitutes.

by Jeremyjackson on Nov 13, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thing. .

Good thing you took registered ownership of the highly regarded JJ name. Didn’t matter though, we could always tell the difference between your posts and his. lol

by haglnuts on Nov 13, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

lazy and biased

Horrible predictions MMAMANIA i’m sorry to say… i normally enjoy reading your predictions.

I’m going to the event and cannot wait. Quick picks:

Vera TKO

Swick S/D

Bisping S/D

Wilks SUB

Riley U/D

by Wet Nightmare on Nov 13, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Brits VS Yanks

Call me crazy here but is anyone else seeing a correlation with people’s picks? US guys going for US clean sweep and Brits doing the same for the Brits…

Personally (being a Brit)

I’d go -

Randy by ground n pound

Hardy by shock KO

Kang by decision

Wilks by sub (totally 50/50 on this one but he’s done it to everyone else and Brown ain’t exactly been known for sub defence)

Pearson by decision (though Riley looked awesome in his last fight)

by Jimrod on Nov 13, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

for the sake of the fans i hope these picks are wrong. 5 decisions?

unless theyre all Henderson/Cerrone status decisions.

I wonder why they put this on the same night as the pacman/cotto fight. I hope they dont think that they can compete with this card….maybe in UK

by brendog on Nov 13, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

All I can think of is that they’re trying to deflect the attention off the Phillipines’ hero onto their Filipino posterboy, awful plan if that’s the case because Vera isn’t even 1% as popular or as talented as the legendary Pacman. I’m watching both shows so it doesn’t bother me anyway.

by David W-S on Nov 13, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

new format; go ver

this is kind of odd. i wasn’t previously a member of sb nation. i’ve got some orienting to take care of. to me, sb has always been a reference for strong bad.

anyway,

vera by decision; randy’s always been better at hw.

by JaBu - (formerly JB) on Nov 13, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

Tell that to...

Chuck, Tito, and Vitor! Randy has dominating upset wins over all those guys, all of whom were considered unstoppable until Randy came into their world! I’d say being the only guy to beat BOTH of the Longest Running Lightheavyweight Champions in UFC History makes Randy pretty relevant at LH.

by (shonuff) on Nov 13, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

AGREED

Randy will always be relevant and always will be

by mmafreak on Nov 13, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks but...

your post is internally redundant and also redundant, not to mention that you already said that!

by (shonuff) on Nov 13, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I’m not redundant, and I don’t repeat myself!

by haglnuts on Nov 13, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was a failed attempt at poetry or an attempt at an Irish folk song tribute— Randy shall always be relevant and relevant he always shall be

by P-Dub on Nov 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that album.

The second track is sick…

Come on lads
and drop yer pants
For Tito’s girl is near

Dump yer pints
on Tito’s wife
Unless you’re truly queer

Pass’er round
for ground n’ pound
You know she’s not afraids

Ole pumkinhead
Will soon be dead
From Forrest? No, from AIDS!

"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."

Julius Caesar (II, ii, 32-37)

by Jeremyjackson on Nov 13, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t put LOL into comments very often, but yeah. LOL.

by P-Dub on Nov 13, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

That was a great song.

by jay. on Nov 14, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

lol, nice to have our comedian back. Not that P-Dub wasn’t making a good job while you were gone JJ, but it’s better this way. What up mofo?

by Alpha Male on Nov 14, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

New Format

Yeah, I was also like, WTF is up with this website?!? They were taken over by SBNation. I guess Jesse Holland and the MMAMania peepz earn a lot more by doin’ this. Keep it up! At least we’re “registered” commenters, hehehe!

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by The Negation on Nov 13, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does everyone think Swick is going to win, he really hasn’t shown much lately, and Vera will have to finish quick or Randy will take him down and own him! IMO

by mmafreak on Nov 13, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Gun Shy ... Hope Not!

So many opponents have frozen when facing Randy. He is a legend, he is an ambassador for the sport (as recently said) and he is also the hero of many fighters. This was a huge problem for Tim Sylvia, Gab Gonzaga … and potentially, Brandon Vera. I really hope Vera goes out they are lets lose, if he does this I predict Rd 2 TKO (strikes standing)

by DownUnder on Nov 13, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

I think my picks are going to be the following:

Vera
Swick
Kang
Wilks

Honestly, I don’t know why I continue to pick Vera. I didn’t realize it until chosing my winners on this card. I hold Kang and Vera in the same regard…Talented enough to win any fight, but it’s a matter of if they show up to fight. I think that Vera should be able to KO Randy and Kang should be able to sub Bisping. Who knows, they could both end up losing a decision…

by Shadyone33 on Nov 13, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Decisions

So the picks are for every fight to be a decision?

Fun!

by IrishMikey on Nov 13, 2009 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah…that’s what I was going to say. Bisping/Kang isn’t going the distance. Brown should win by KO

by ducknow on Nov 13, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Couture wins again

  Randy wins because of his smarts and toughness he isn’t by any means the faster or stronger fighter he wins because he understands his opponent usually better than they understands themself he knows what he is capable of and has a plan that more often than not plays out he rarely makes more mistakes than his opponent. Vera might make it close at the start but once they each take a few shots and exhaust a bit of steam Randy’s smarts will take over and he will force Vera out of his game and take over the fight.For some reason I’m thinking Randy is going to pull off a sub on the long limbed Vera.

by Puck Head on Nov 13, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Side note

Does anyone else that the picture above looks like BJ PENN is look at GSP from behind that door. LOL . .Boy does life immitate art. :)

by haglnuts on Nov 13, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Shit

My mind can’t keep up with my fingers sometimes. Pathetic.

by haglnuts on Nov 13, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

It’s pretty simple: Anything Vera can do Couture can do better. And if he can’t, he has the Octagon experience to nullify it.

I’m amazed at how few people are picking Couture in this fight without seeming to even consider what happened to him in his last bout. He was knocked down with punches, multiple times, by Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, a man notorious for not hitting very hard. Do people just think that was a fluke? Because I think it may be an indication of how Couture’s aging is affecting him.

by JRN on Nov 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t agree, Big Nog is a good boxer, he just has trouble with strikers that are bigger than him, and Randy isn’t bigger than him. He does like to keep things on the ground as much as possible though, this is why he only has a few wins via TKO.

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 13, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Nog has good hands. It’s possible to have good hands without having a lot of power.

by JRN on Nov 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

no but I do think he has power though, it’s just that he doesn’t show it too much (let me put it this way, he has more power than Cain, but I don’t think that is a great comparison :P)

I hate spinach, and I’m glad that I do
because if I didn’t I’d eat them, and I just hate them.

by Orcus on Nov 13, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

ufc 105 predictions

Randy’s chin is too old and is weak look at what happens when he gets hit.
If Vera get’s to the chin of Randy, its over, if randy will close the distance, Randy wins!

by iamdanawhite on Nov 13, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Vera via TKO

Randy got TKO’d by Brock, and rocked a few times against Nog. He held on in a great fight but I think that Vera has much more speed and better stand up than both of those competitors. Plus Randy will be making the cut to 205 again which will take a toll on his aging body. This may effect his cardio and overall speed. Vera is more motivated than ever for this fight and I think all of the signs point towards a Vera TKO. I will be cheering for Randy but I think a cut to 205 may have been a bad move. I could be wrong but this is just what I think. Can’t wait for another great night of fights!!!

by RyanHobbs on Nov 13, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty much the same picks as myself all round.
That said i agree with lots here and wonder about Randy. I’m waiting to see how his cardio turns out after the cut.

Always supporting: Maia, The axe-murderer, Overeem, Little Nog & GSP

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by Man.Bear.Pig on Nov 13, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

Teh safe predictions

Unanimous decision
Unanimous decision
Unanimous decision
Unanimous decision…

Kuwabara Kuwabara

by J. B. Maddox on Nov 13, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

No kidding

Decisions for everything, great prediction

by champ91 on Nov 14, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Jesse,you know I read nostradumbass with great interest but y’all need to stop being so miserly with your analysis. Each of you needs to do a prediction for each fight. I’m sure you have an opinion on each of them so lets have it. I bet Mania has someone who can take dictation.

by naturalist on Nov 14, 2009 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

who are the safe picks? swick, hathaway, kelly, and prob riddle. I think Vera will get a convincing win too but that’s hardly safe.

by naturalist on Nov 14, 2009 12:13 AM EST reply actions  

Brilliant counter programming

On the same night that Manny Pacquiao is fighting, Brandon Vera was tapped for the main event. Two Filipinos in the main event. Dana White really knows what he’s doing. If Pacquiao wins and faces Mayweather I wonder what blockbuster fight Dana will put up against that fight.

by remedy on Nov 14, 2009 2:23 AM EST reply actions  

Vera's nowhere near as popular as Pacman

Vera may be well known in the Phillipines but I guarantee the only fight that they’re talking about over there is Pacman-Cotto. Manny’s a lot more famous than Vera, he’s their national hero.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Live in Canada

Just wanted to let the rest of the Canadians here know that Sportsnet East and Sportsnet Ontario are showing this live (in case you didn’t already know).

by prokstar on Nov 14, 2009 8:09 AM EST reply actions  

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