guys looking to make fights “wrestling matches” should be kicked out of the sport! hope Brandon knocks the old man out, I like Randy but Brandon has a future.

hey Roberto, wrestling is part of MMA, you know MIXED martial arts, its not called boxing, or kickboxing dude. Besides, if Randy gets him down, its not like hes gonna lay on him all day, Couture has good GnP and will look to mount Vera and finsih him on the ground like he did to oh lets see, Chuck, Vitor, Randleman, Gonzaga, ect. ect. ect.

RoB, that’s Tito’s fighting style as well and it has worked for him, Randy and Hughes. If he tries to kickbox with Vera he will get picked apart and possibly KO’d, if he tries to grapple, clinch and wrestler with Vera then he’ll win either by decision or by TKO from g&p.

Sounds like Randy’s coming in with smart strategy as usual, if he can implement his gameplan quickly then he will wear down Vera and cause him to break mentally, then he’ll cruise to a win. This is the most focused Brandon has been in a long time for a fight, possibly ever, so Randy can’t let Vera get confident early in the fight, I’m liking this fight more and more everyday.

CRazy RoBerto my man’.. Have u seen Randy’s wrestling? It usually leaves someone bludgeoned, bloodied n’ TKO’d by way of GnP … Don’t put Couture into a category of lay n’ pray… if ur gonna’ hate on a guy, at least be fair about it.

Buster Bluth? . If you dont think Vera is well rounded your a fool.

Roberto has the worst views. What a SnatchFace

Buster Bluth, you could fairly say Vera has been inconsistent, lacking the killer instinct, or he seems to just not pull the trigger anymore, but you honestly can’t say he’s not well rounded. If this was a few years ago I think I’d go with Randy overwhelming him and winning the fight. Randy’s reflexes are going downhill fast, he just doesn’t see the punches coming now. If a slow guy like Nog can consistently tag him, Vera will light him up. I think Vera has finally grown up now and we will start to see that potential he’s been talking about. Vera can hang with Randy’s wrestling better than Randy can hang with Vera’s striking. I’m excited about this fight because Randy will make Vera fight.

just in case you guys who r interested missed it, i never put in an important thread!
.******MONDAY MORNING BLACK BELT*******
Those of you that are football fans get the title, those of you overseas, it’s funny, trust me!
I haven’t had much of a chance to give my thoughts on strikeforce’s event saturday, so bear with me:
Werdum and Silva was an OK fight, nothing special!
I’ll give credit where credit is due in the next two, Sokuju looked really good in the first round. He wasn’t as muscular and didn’t instantly gas! That said, Moussassi is the man. He is slowly but surely becoming one of my favorites and I personally can’t wait until he is in the UFC, probably sometime next year! Not that strikeforce doesn’t put on a good show, but there is so much more LHW competition for him to fight!
On to, in my opinion, the fight of the night! If you’re a one punch KO fan, you were probably bored during the Shields/Miller fight, but if you are into BJJ, it was a great fight. The back and forth up down and transitions in this fight were very impressive. I was in no way a Miller fan coming into this fight, and was a pretty big Shields fan/ By thew 3rd round I was rooting for Miller and really losing any respect or fandom I had left for Shields. His stand up is so bad that it’s actually pathetic, and for an elite BJJ black belt under a guy who’s only given out 2 or 3 black belts, he should be embarrassed at himself! He had numerous mounts and had Millers back too many times to count, and did nothing. 3 More seconds and he’s tapping and Miller wins. Yes, Jake won the fight, but he lost a lot of fans in the process! Also, I’m glad to see he’s no longer calling out GSP, GSP could come into a fight with Shields with a broken leg and would dominate him! You notice the only person interested in hearing him call out Cung Le was his butt buddy Gilbert Melendez? Jake lives and trains in the bay area, and I know for a fact has every opportunity to train at Andre Ward’s gym (the Diaz brothers do), try it out Jake! One last thing, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Jake, you’re not even the best MW in your camp. In a MW fight, Nick Diaz would make you look silly!
On to the main event. I don’t care what anyone says, Fedor was in trouble when Rogers was on top of him! In true Fedor fashion, he stayed calm and cool and won in great fashion! I don’t know where strikeforce goes from here. I for one have no interest in seeing Fedor/Werdum, I already know how that fight plays out! I truly don’t know who (other than Overeem) that strikeforce can throw at him and actually have a competitive fight.
I know a lot of you are jumping on Rogers for his post fight comments, and as you know, I’m old school and all about class and sportsmanship, that said, he’s never tasted defeat before. In the heat of the moment you got his true feelings. I’ll for one, give him a pass! He’ll go back and learn from this.
Overall a good night of fights, terrible color commentary, and too much nothing! When I say "too much nothing," they try to fit in all this useless B.S. but we don’t get ring entrances, and 2 native Chicagoans actually got cut from the event. Yes they got their show money, but they didn’t get to compete after training to fight and didn’t get sponsorship money (which is reportedly higher than their show money). Also it ran 20 min over. PPV’s don’t go long, contractually they can’t! If you want to have a 3 hour show and compete with the UFC, then plan a 3 hour show, if not, plan your 2 hours better. I’m not into having to stream a main event online because I’m assuming the show won’t run into the news!
Good night of fights overall

It depends how long it takes for the Shogun/Machida rematch to take place. If Couture were to win then he might have to face off against the winner of Rashad/Silva to get a title shot but with the royal treatment that Randy gets who knows?

Also depends on who wins the Machida/Shogun fight. If Shogun wins, he’ll probably face the Rashad/Silva winner while Randy fights the Forrest/Tito winner. But if Machida wins, he’s already beaten both Rashad&Thiago very recently, so Randy will probably get first dibs. Which really makes me emotionally divided on Machida/Shogun II cause I want Shogun to get the title he already earned, but I also wanna see Randy/Machida for the belt! I could be content to see Randy fight Machida even if Machida loses, except that I really want it to be 5 rounds!

kevin you are grounded from long post for 2 days. Go to your room ;)

lol, i like that one dol fan. I don’t know if ur familiar with me, I used to post a lot more (and will again next time I take 6 months off of work), i try to make sense and keep it simple, I just wanted to synopsize the whole event! sorry guys!

Dolfan, you might’ve missed the “Tuesday Morning Conversations With Kevin”. It’s like a morning talk show, hehehe!

Alves vs Daley

Kev real talk,the bj and Aoki fight aint going past the 3rd round and thats the truth.I dont even like Aoki all that much but i wouldnt even put him against the best takedown stuffer and boxer in the lw division today.Thats cold man…cold.

It was back and forth,Randy was whopping ass in the clinch and with combinations thats why the crowd was cheering:)

Puck Heads TOP 5 HW fights the Puck wants to see

1) Brock vs.Fedor everybody wants to see that one
2) Carwin vs Rogers
3) NOG vs Werdum
4) Santos vs AA
5) Mir vs Overeem
  
  That would be a sweet card LOL

Fedor-Andy
Andy-Machida
Fedor-Brock
Andy-Mousasi
BJ-Aoki

I’ll be amazed if any of those fights happen. A more realistic list of fights, i.e. ones involving active fighters in the same promotion and different camps, that I want to see would be:

Andy-Vitor
Brock-Big Nog
Andy-Shogun
Andy-GSP
Machida-Shogun II

I’m a HUGE GSP fan, but don’t really want to see him fight Anderson cause I don’t really think that’s a fair fight. Anderson’s natural weight is Heavy/Lightheavy. The fact that he has the freakish ability to cut to 185 doesn’t change the fact that he’s a lot closer to Fedor’s size than he is to GSPs. And Silva’s skill set is lightning fast strikes that you don’t see coming, so he’s just as effective at any weight. But for a wrestler like GSP, size matters a lot. (See Randy vs Brock). And its a huge size difference, at least 35 lbs, which is huge to a 170 pounder. Silva is bigger than Rampage and as long as Forrest. Dana himself said Silva is still one of the biggest guys even at LHW. That’s just not fair to Georges. He’d have a better chance against Machida than Silva.

Puck, REALLY? Mir, Werdum, and Overoids make your “5 must see” list? Please explain. And AA may be the most technical boxer in MMA now, but he’s got no chin and JDS only needs one uppercut to put him to sleep.

Kevin, I’m not saying Randy could beat those guys, but I think he’d give them a more interesting fight than anyone we’ve seen them face so far. And I think you underestimate Randy’s chin. Who’s knocked him out? Chuck is the only one who ever straight up KO’d him. Brock stunned him long enough to get on top of him and pound him with those jackhammers. Nobody else has really hurt him with a punch. Vitor, Big Tim, and Gonzaga all have serious KO power and never had him in trouble. Granted, Randy doesn’t have Dan Henderson’s chin, but his chin hasn’t degenerated to the point that Chuck and Wandy’s have either.

legacy, BJ wins in the 1st or 2nd, so ur right, it’s not going to the 3rd!

Frankly, I think Anderson is smarter, faster, more agressive, and more adaptable than Machida. Andy would have adapted in-fight and compensated for Shogun’s strategy. If Shogun can beat Machida again, then I think you’ll get your wish, because Andy will be begging Dana for a shot at him and if that happens I will be interested in that fight. It mainly didn’t make my list because I’m not a fan of either fighter. I’m sure that Shogun/Andy would be a very interesting fight, but I’d have no emotional investment in it and wouldn’t care who won.

I wasn’t disagreeing with the “overrated” part, I was disagreeing that Couture uses the same strategy against everyone. If he had, if he’d focussed on clinch control, takedown, and GnP with Brock and Nog, he’d have done better, might have even pulled off a decision. But he said he thought he had the advantage in striking against both those guys and he focussed on trying to box them, which was silly since Nog has always been a better boxer than Couture and Brock has 82 inch reach and fists the size of Buicks. I think Randy did some brilliant gameplanning for Chuck I, Tim, and Gonzaga, but in his last 2 fights he forgot that wrestling is his forte and it cost him. Rampage and Hendo suffer from the same memory loss, and it’s their wrestling prowess, not their striking, that would be their most effective weapon against the current champs of their division.

Nog didnt DESTROY Randy dont know what fight you were watching but that was a war.Randy was peppering that ass on the feet with combinations and even tho he got hurt Nog couldnt even finish him let me remind you hes not to far away from getting his senior citizens benefits eitha.He made Nog earn that win,he didnt blow through him like a wind gust.But he gave Nog a definant run.

Dont know if my old post is going to pop up but Nog didnt destroy Randy that was a war and Randy made Nog earn the “decision” victory.

It was a one sided win but I gained even more respect for Randy to take it to a decision, Big Nog was on fire and looked unstoppable, outclassing Randy in every aspect of MMA, but was still unable to finish. That fight was superb and for different reasons I became even more of a fan of them both.

Me too, David. I never expected Couture to be able to beat Nog (and I don’t think Couture did either) but he sure put up a hell of a fight and could have done even better if he hadn’t overestimated his own boxing and had focussed on getting Nog on his back. I knew the fight would go the distance, because Randy is too smart and strong to get subbed, even by Nog. And Nog is too tough to get pounded out, even by Randy. In my mind, that fight clearly solidified Nog as the BEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN UFC HISTORY, and if Brock weren’t 50-60 lbs bigger, Nog would take him apart. (In fact, so would Randy.)

That’s why I keep screaming that we need a 225 or 235 lb division!!! If BJ doesn’t have to defend his belt against Rampage who’s 35lbs bigger, then why should 225-235 pounders like Randy/Nog/JDS/Cain/CroCop be forced to compete against 290 lb monsters like Lesnar for the same title! A 60 lb division is absurd in today’s MMA.

That’s why Nog ISN’T the champ,right? Nog looked like the best Nog ever, but you would have to be blind if you can’t see that Randy’s reflexes are shot. He wasn’t lying when he said he was just as explosive and in just as good of shape as he ever was, but he forgot to mention he can see the punches coming anymore until it’s to late. I like Randy, but he’s done as far as ever being a champion again. Brock will destroy Nog, just like he did Mir. Mir has much better striking than Nog and I doubt Nog’s slightly better ground game (and smaller size) will be enough to over come the COMPLETE and UTTER control that Brock imposed on Mir.

Nog isn’t the champ because he got screwed out of his title shot by the matchmakers and then stupidly took a different fight when he was half-dead-sick. He was the Interim Champion when Randy returned, but instead of “unifying” the belt, the UFC gave first dibs to their new WWE posterboy and then made Nog defend his “interim belt” (Who ever heard of defending an interim belt after the real champ has returned????) Nog checked himself out of the hospital to fight Wank Mir, which was stupid and cost him his shot at Lesnar. Nog is better than Mir in every aspect of the game, and much tougher, but I don’t know if that will be enough to overcome the rediculous size advantage Lesnar has. In a fair world, Lesnar would be 3 weight classes separated from Nog. If they were within 30 lbs of each other, Nog would easily beat Brock, which is why I say he’s the better fighter, whether he wins or loses.

Vera hasn’t looked good lately. I want to see him get back to when he was destroying people with knees and kicks. We know what Randy is going to do. He’s going to hold him against the fence and dirty box his way to a decision. That, sir, is boring. And I agree with Kevin on the Shields-Miller fight.

cool man, I know guys like John and philqny had to have loved it too. Then there are those who like 1st rd KO’s

Shields-Mayhem was sick, I really enjoyed that fight and thought it was a grappling masterclass, so I was really pissed off when Jake kept getting bashed for the fight and the performance, after he entertained me and won a title in a higher weight class. That’s why I’m avoiding the SF threads, as it’ll just get me annoyed all over again.

How is GSP not challenging himself? He’s beaten everything the UFC can throw at him! It’s not his fault there’s nobody left in his division that he hasn’t crushed! The UFC needs to work harder at getting him some fresh meat like Sheilds, Nick Diaz, maybe even Jacare, and getting smaller Middleweights like Maia, Almeida, Akiyama, and Palhares to come down and make a bid at WW.

kevin and David, I thought the Shields/Mayhem fight was very exciting too, and thought the boos were undeserved, but I understand people’s frustration at the fact that Shields never made any attempt to finish the fight or do any damage. He passed up countless opportunities to punish Mayhem’s ribs with knees/elbows, and passed up at least 3 very obvious side-choke opportunities, and wasted several RNC opportunities. He earned his win, but he also deserves some criticism for making zero attempts to do any damage.