And Fedor would knock out Brock just like he did Brett.

Yeap. Even I am getting irritated by some of Dana’s Fedor comments. Fedor would destroy any heavyweight in the UFC including Lesnar. Even if Lesnar can take the fight to the ground I don’t see any way that he finishes Fedor. And on the feet it’s a brutal knockout waiting to happen. I love the UFC but Dana’s talking some stupid sh*t.

that photo certainly captured a good amount of douchebaggery

Lesnar has trained as a wrestler (amateur) just as long as Fedor has done Sambo. Fedor has beaten a lot of guys bigger than Brock. If Fedor ever puts his big boy pants on and comes to the UFC so we can see this fight and Brock wins, maybe it’s just because Brock is a damn good fighter with a unique skill set.

I dont know why ur all mad about what dana says, because most of it could be true….its not like were are gunna find out and that would be fedor’s fault….but i haft to idmit i did laugh very hard when i herd him say frank mir’s name…because all i could picture was a fedor rape

I dont know why ur all mad about what dana says, because most of it could be true….its not like were are gunna find out and that would be fedor’s fault….but i haft to idmit i did laugh very hard when i herd him say frank mir’s name…because all i could picture was a fedor beat down on mir’s face

Brock is a very good fighter, he’s gonna be a great fighter undoubtedly but right now he hasn’t shown anything that can beat Fedor. Making Mir quit with strikes is not impressive. Doing what he did to Herring was very impressive IMO. But Herring is what he is. Please don’t bring up Couture because he was able to escape from underhim and bully him in the clinch. Let me start with this – Fedor can’t wrestle because you don’t really double leg people in Sambo so he will get taken down by Brock just like he got taken down by Coleman. But he would surely sub him(which he 100% would, long live King Nog) like he almost did to brett. I don’t understand like i said why people say that Big Nog would sub brock but not fedor? They’ve both been grappling for a long time and Fedor has done bigger things in sambo than Nog in BJJ. Standing isn’t even close. Brock’s standup is about as slow and mechanical as Nate Quarry’s.

He said Mir would beat Rogers not Fedor. Although I think thats a stetch as well. A wrestling background is not a rare skill set in the UFC either, its actually quite common. Its just not everyday that a train learns to wrestle and succeeds in the octagon with only that skill. Brock is way to green to beat Fedor and would have get better stand up to even think about that match. I’m very disappointed to see that Dana is now attacking SF when before he was complimenting them on their ability to hold a decent show. That was a great card imo and even tho I hated the Shields fight it still didn’t bring down the value of the card. Fedor got jabbed once and then punched in the face maybe five times by a man who was throwing bombs. I promise those hits would have killed Mir or any lesser man. I like what you said at the end there Jesse about if SF would take their top three against the UFCs top three and I would have to say they would. I would even go so far as to say that Brett wouldn’t be their choice of top three, it’d be Fedor, Alistar, and Arlovski imo. and the UFC would put up Brock, Cain, and Mir… I would say go with Nog but for some reason Dana likes to undermind the old PRIDE fighters.

PW—how about Brock Lesnar goes to Strikeforce if he wants to prove he’s the best. Since when does the #1 guy have to seek out the #2 guy (actually I don’t consider brock to be #2 but just a working assumption). Because the #2 happens to be in the all-mighty UFC?

Sytrikeforce is unprofessional…they cancelled the mark miller fight when they told him it was moved to to main card and then they just scrap it and mess with fighters livlyhood…..they dont even get money from there sponcers now

Fedor would crush Brock inside of a minute! Brock isn’t even the top dog in the UFC!
I think Junior Dos Santos would stand the best chance against Fedor. you won’t win a fight on just wrestling, infact wrestling s’cks! just look at Shields he is the definition of a loser.

LOL, Brock go to Strikeforce? Why so they can pay him less and he can be seen by less people? I don’t understand!

Frost — same reason the Pittsburgh Steelers won’t be playing the Grey Cup champions from last season.

Roberto — Brock has a big shiny belt that says he is the top dog in the UFC. And are you seriously comparing what Brock does to what Shields does? Really?

Good post guys! PW, I love you and Im a big Lesnar fan, but you are Foking delusional on this one buddy!

Frosnt: GREAT POST MAN! Fedor has been the best HW for the better part of a Decade. Brock who I like, has had 5 fights in mma, and already lost 1 of them. iMO, Brock hasnt beaten ANYONE to even deserve a shot at Fedor. Herring, I am a fan of but is a gatekeeper. Mir is trash, Randy is vastly over rated….If Brock and Dana are so confident and have something to prove…They should go to SF to challenge Fedor, or at least co-promote. If you arent willing to do that, then STFU! If Dana is going to run his mouth, then Back it up….If Not, shut your trap. After the great night of fights that CBS and SF provided fr us, he just sounds like a jealous idiot making comments like that!

FYI: Dana better pray that Fedor/Brock doesnt happen for at least 2 years…cause TOday, it wouldnt even be a question that Fedor would finish Brock in a round or 2 tops!

Great post Duece! Eventually Fedor will lose, and all the haters will run their mouth as if 1 loss, tarnishes everything Fedor has accomplished…When he does lose, I really hope its not against a guy that weighs 50 lbs more then him…Like you said, would we really get excited about Forrest beating bJ Penn?

sheilds has more mma skill in his pinky then brock does in his entire body! Compare that! and this is coming from someone who loves Brock and hates sheilds! just real talk!

Yeah Dana is telling the truth Brock would destroy the chubby Russian that has only fought two top five in his life none compared to the abilities of Brock who by the way has more strength in his third leg than shield and his punched do damage unlike shields john G LOL.

You guys who think skill skill skill don’t understand athleticism and training go a long way. GSP isn’t better at BJJ than BJ but…. Lesnar isn’t more skilled than Mir but….

on and on.

So comparing Brock to Shields is like comparing Shaq to some college player that had the best skills in the world but didn’t go pro.

Natural talent and training matter in the UFC

Any knowledgable fan would know that Fedor fought a ton of top ten HWs in PRIDE, he crushed them all. He’s fought a who’s who of HWs and still owns them all. Lesnar can’t stand and he’s terrible at finishing people. Sure he uses hammer fist but keep doing that with Fedor and he’ll armbar you. Shields is a very boring fighter but he using technique to get position and control the fight. Brock uses sheer size.

Yo JJ, natural training and talent will get you so far. What people are trying to say is that Fedor has no technique. He charges in using sheer force and doesn’t really have the kind of reaction time that most fighters do. Fedor would capitalize on that and would easily pick him apart standing or submit him on the ground. I’m not saying he wouldn’t catcha few fierce punches to the face but sheer power will not beat Fedor.

vitor belfort would DESTROY fedor, fedor leaving his chin open like that to throw those bombs is EXTREMELY dangerous, sure if fedor lands one it’s done, but at the same time you give belfort any slight opening you’re done and that fight would interest me more than any heavyweight in the world fighting fedor right now. fedor has the absolute fastest brawling hands you will ever see, he makes brawling almost look like a science

lol belfort.

the number one guy doesnt need to see out the number two guy, but he HAS to seek out the number one organization… UFC!

Hahahahahahahaahaha the whos who of HW hahahahaha your joking right if you know the difference between pride and ufc is everyone that has come from pride has been a joke to the ufc because they aren’t great fighters mir would submit fedor carwin cain and brock would knock his stupid russian ass out hes a joke big time he beat hong man choi…lol a broke down arlovski and tim silvia hahahahahaahahahahahha randy couture would even beat fedor people need to get off his nuts he’s a joke plain and simple and a little pussy to scared to go to the UFC.
Oh and you dummys should understand fedor chooses to fight at HW its not Brocks fault he has a bigger more powerful frame so you can compare brock and fedor to penn and griffin but maybe you should all think first before writing your shit down morons

Roberto, what did you see saturday that made you think he would smash Brock in a minute? Was it him getting pounded in the face by Roger’s gnp? He was on his back against BRETT ROGERS! Just imagine what Brock would do to hm on the ground? He couldnt sub BRETT ROGERS, but he could sub Brock? I hate Brock, but I would put money on him over Fedor any day! Brett Rogers sucks and he won that first round over Fedor! After this past weekend, I am absolutely convinced that Fedor would lose to Brock, and badly!

how the fck did he win that first round?he caught him with 1 jab,a bit of gnp and a few seconds of cage control.fedor had him in trouble with a combo,locked in 3 submissions and had more top comtrol.even cecil peoples wouldve scored that one to fedor!!!!

I like UFC but Dana rubs me the wrong way. I think Coker is awesome and I hope SF gets bigger then UFC. By the way UFC doesn´t really have a better HW div then Strikeforce. Since SF co-promotes they can sign Aleks, Barnett, Kharitonov and many rising heavyweights.

I had to stop reading “mmama said knock you out’s” post once he said that Mir would submit Fedor. Anyone else care to summarize the supidity?

Lol at the guy who pretends he knows something about PRIDE and the UFC fighters back in the day. even funnier yet that he thinks Mir could submit Fedor. Maybe if Fedor agreed to a grappling match with one arm behind his back. haha what a novice post. I’m just going to stop arguing about it because anyone who thinks its Fedors responsibility to prove himself is delusional, he proves it time and time again. If Brock is so damn good let him co promote with Fedor and M1 just one time and I bet you Brock gets beaten standing and laying. btw to the wise man who doesn’t realize that Fedor is amazing off his back as well as on the top position. It doesn’t matter where that guy goes he’ll find a way to finish the fight in more than just caveman fashion. also Rogers punches on the ground to Fedor looked harder than any punch I’ve ever seen Lesnar throw.

Key word looks cogito fact of the matter you give Brock taht many strikes from that position it’s game over when he hit’s his opponent with only pulling back six inches from their he does as much damage as Rogers would. It’s funny you should speak of Pride that is the last time Fedor has faced a top five kind of sad some theink #1 but then again Finkledink the modern day Don king has the hype machine working luckily their isn’t as many fooled now days only those with introverted IQ’s LOL.

I think it took me about 5 comments after my last before i got sick of listening to dumb people

Its wierd that people are still arguing that Fedor is worthless. I believe Dana has done a good job “educating” his fans. People keep saying Brett got top position when in fact Fedor was on top and gave Brett the position in his attempt to secure the Kimura. When he could not and got punched in the face a couple of times, which admittedly looked very hard, he quickly went for an armbar which allowed him to find the escape. That GnP of 4 punches and that first jab are all that Rogers did in the first, The only people who would score that round for Rogers are Dana fans and UFC judges…In my humble opinion….

john g- Shields has more mma skill in his pinky? Shields is pretty 1 dimensional, and he basically spent 25 minutes dry humping Mayhems shins. At least Brock finishes his fights, and does damage!

408 comments? WTF?

Introverted huh? Andrei Arlovski could kill everyone in the UFC right now. You think he isn’t a tough fighter? You want to write him off? I think thats pretty pathetic. Fedor knocked him out standing. Fedor stood with the guy. Could Brock do that? Please don’t answer that because everyone thinks that Herring punch was some amazing crap but it was just lucky punch. I think that fight would have been a lot different had it not been for that punch. Either way Fedors next opponent after AA was going to be the number 3 hw in the world Barnett. I don’t see that as running away especially since at the time everyone considered AA and Barnett to be the unvarifiable number 2 and 3 of the sport… Now he stands with Brett and knocks him out and your going to say its nothing? He’s going to face Werdum who many people feel was a loss to the UFC when he was still in title contention and a win doesn’t matter because Fedor out classes him? and when Fedor beats Alistar it won’t matter? The problem with all of you is your spewing this crap and its getting stuck in your own ears. Your talking about a fighter who isn’t afraid of other fighters but doesn’t want to sign his soul to Dana White who will never let him off contract ever again. Who continually talks trash about him. Who challenges him but never offers a co promotion or a one time fight deal. Then you take it even farther and go on to say that Brock has incredible power in rabit punches that only bother people. Frank Mir is a marshmellow when he gets hit in the face. Randy Couture was beating the man on his feat. And he couldn’t even finish a one eyed Heath… its incredible the crap your trying to make me believe and then you take it even farther and try to call me retarded? Learn to think for yourself and compare the facts, Fedor doesn’t run from competition. I can’t wait to see Nog rip Brocks foot off cause then you’ll understand what a farce he really is. Brock is not skilled, he’s only a very strong wrestler. His stand up is pathetic and his take downs are good but stoppable, his ground game relies on his massive size to pin his opponents down. Fedor has proven that he can handle much larger fighters, he can handle their reach. Has Brock ever proven he can beat a legitimate top five HW? IMO Heath, Mir, and Randy were never top fives. If you think they are then your even more delisional than you think. I’ve watched Brock fight and I’m not impressed. I think Fedor would be more afraid of facing Barnett than Brock any day.

yes he would, you beat me to it.

lol, yeah i bet ur probly right haglnuts.

bj penn did actually BEAT machida, watch the fight on youtube.. machida > forrest

BJ would beat forrest, hell the only person to do more damage to Machida than Shogun is the prodigy.

randy murders, I have never seen that fight, is it on you-tube? I watched another old Machida fight on the Fight Network the other day. I can’t remember the dude he was fighting, but it went to a decision and I could have sworn Machida lost that fight too.

it was funny in the post fight press confrence they were so surprised machida was markd up and ythey asked the last time that happeneed and instead of jsut saying against bj he only said in his 6th fight….i tihnk he said 6th lol and bj won the fight

Yea the fight metric numbers show too that BJ won that.

BJ clearly lost the fight jeez get over youselves all the Machida hate is coming out in a downpour since the Shogun controversy.

i thought bj won and that was way before the shogun controversy.either way it was close a loyota was fighting at hw.

frosnt, i’m a machida nuthugger my friend, fact is bj unlike shogun bj was controlling machida physically, cornering him and outboxing him, and doing more in the clinch etc. shogun tried outpointing a champion and that is something you can not do, bj fought him in a k-1 match (mma rules) and it was not a title fight, bj got F*CKD, and jay yes it is in segments on youtube, rather long,extremely boring, but machida was 215 and bj was like 190 and fat as you can imagine

That was only rogers first good person he fought…I bet there are sum people out there who would ko his ass hard

lol. Fedor can’t hit harder than Brock.

I can’t wait for Fedor to fight Brock. Brock will break his face in and I won’t say I told you so because you guys will be so demoralized.

I’ll say I told them so. They will be demoralized into a thousand pieces. Then I will take each of those pieces and demoralize them into a thousand more.

Brock hurt randy with a clip from a fricken right jab that he didnt put no hip into at all hardly.The power in his hands are ridiculous and hes just starting out really,every time he steps in the cage your going to see an even more improved Brock.Imagine his boxing getting a little bit more technical than what he showed in his last fight with the power he possesses,thats a scary thought from a fighters perspective.

haha.. that was great.

haha.. that was great.fedor can’t hit harder than brock? yeah, brock has definitely proven himself to be a “lights out” hitter..

haha.. that was great.fedor can’t hit harder than brock? yeah, brock has definitely proven himself to be a “lights out” hitter..so many solid KO’s under his belt to back it up…

haha.. that was great.fedor can’t hit harder than brock? yeah, brock has definitely proven himself to be a “lights out” hitter..so many solid KO’s under his belt to back it up…the only thing he has is the herring hit.. and you don’t think fedor would do the same damage if put in the same spot where he reels back and unloads on herrings face? please..

He hit Randy with a glancing blow and dropped him like a bad habit!

Fedor throws bombs,but Brett looked like he just stepped out the sauna at the post fight conference not out of a fight with “The best fighter ever”.lol,laughable,Herring had to go undergo eye surgery after Brock socked Heath 1nce in the 1st round and hes still healing.Didnt Fedor face heath b4???

This brock conversation is gonna end after Carwin KOs him hard. Brock is totally unproven and has shitty standup

Fedor can’t handle Brock’s size and strength. He had trouble w/ Grim’s size and strength, and Lesnar is much more powerful. Fedor and other fighters may have more MMA skill, but strength, power, athleticism all factor in. I’m not even convinced that Fedor would win a rematch w/ Grim! He is far from invincible like some of you guys swinging from his sack make him out to be. Now lets watch Werdum jump to the top 10 charts to make his fight w/ Fedor look legit.

When did he have trouble with Roger’s size? Rogers will knock Lesnar out! Fedor will tap Lesnar…Dana White, you are an idiot! How can anybody honestly think Brock Lesnar is in the top two fighters in the world? CMON MAN!

That’s not what Frank Mir said after the last Lesnar fight!

YES lmfao

LOL. Rodgers, mr. tire guy a year ago almost beat Fedor and it was on the ground!

JJ, he hit the nail right on the head. Could you imagine what someone like Lesnar, Carwin or Velasquez would do? Guys that actually have a background in grappling. And in Lesnar and Carwin; guys that can knock you out with one shot! We’ll never see Fedor in the ufc. And to all those morons that say “why dosen’t Lesnar go to Strikeforce” Why would he go fight for less money in a smaller, less known organization? You think Peyton Manning has any interest in going to the CFL? You don’t even have to answer that.

Hey JJ and Wes dont mind these bafoons,half of them cant even make since of what they’re saying.

you guys rip on fedor for not having the “pride” and want to prove himself to the fans..

would teh same argument not go for brock and why he would go over to SF for a fight to fight fedor?

*sigh..

Oh, yeah, I hear Adrian Peterson is going to go play for the arena league. Sounds stupid dosen’t it?
*Double sigh..

Actually Wes, I hear Randy Moss is going to go play in a intramural league. Yes it would be stupid for Lesnar to step down to fight in Strikefarce, most are a bunch of second tier fighters.

WTF DOES FEDOR HAVE TO PROVE!? The UFC won’t let him do SAMBO, that’s the only reason they can’t ink him. If he was with the UFC all you would hear about is how great Fedor is. Dana White is scared, scared people are going to find out Lesnar is a joke!

you name randy and frank but brock has dropped them both on the feet

are you stupid? frank mir has no standup!! didn’t you watch the lesnar fight or the noguiera fight he tko’d the never before finished minatauro and rocked lesnar twice with knees thats a dumbass comment you made my friend!!!

Lol, dumbass…lol reread your post. that was dumb in so many ways

guys, what do you think he’s gonna say?
“man that Fedor would kill all my UFC HW’s”
get with the program, if Fedor signed with the UFC, he’d already have beaten Brock and being hyped as the best ever!

I don’t understand. Fedor gets handled by a guy who sold tires a year ago on the ground, yet somehow Fedor can handle a guy who is physically stronger and has wrestled over a decade at the highest level?

Rodgers broke Fedor’s face. Lesnar >>>> Rodgers on the ground!

Please someone answer, who is better and wrestling and ground and pound?

Rodgers or Lesnar?

LESNAR.

How did Fedor almost lose? on the ground. You can’t sub a man twice your size that is a phenomenal athlete and trains harder than you.

Fedor has subbed big lazy guys who aren’t even good, so what?

Dude i dont think Dana ever hyped Brock to be “The Best Ever” because hes just basically starting out,thats something you came up with.Beating a top ranked hall of famer and some previously well respected heavy weights in the world with only like 2 professional fights under his belt starting out is pretty damn impressive.Give me a list of top 5 ranked heavyweights thats done this even in the past of their careers…Fedor the can crusher Emelianstinko definantly isnt on the list.Being unbiased from a true mma fans perspective thats very impressive and if he takes the right road he has the potential to be one of the best if not the best heavyweight ever by far.True story.

Brock has fought a handful of times and is already seen as #1 or #2 HW of all time or at least in the world at the moment.

Fedor can’t say as much.

Preach it brother, tell ’em the truth!

wes, jeremy..

would you bet your entire lifes savings on brock if he were to fight fedor? that confident that brock is better?

JJ, Wes, and Legacy……………..i remember my first UFC PPV.

Its a shame how loudmouth new fans of the sport are touting brock as the best ever. I agree he is the next big thing but there is a reason Fedor is ahead of Brock on both Sherdogs Heavyweight and P4P lists (the consensus most legit mma rankings)and theres a reason while most professionals (fighters/press/etc.) will tell you that Fedor is #1

If you were able to see what Fedor has done and how he has done it (which you cant caus Zuffa owns the Pride footage)you can see what he has done. He has very little holes in his game.

Until somebody proves optherwise you cannot take that away from him.

Dont say Rogers did that. Rogers got handled in the fight. Fedor was tossing him around and dropping bombs on him. Fedor has been prone to cuts in the past and he was remaining very calm and collected when Rogers was landing those heavy shots and was able to escape.

Bottom line. all 31 of Fedors opponents have been flattened.

at this point in his career Brock stands very little chance of dethroning Fedor. spend more time watching the sport before you start trying to act as an authority on it.

no no. I give it a 50/50 actually.

50% chance Fedor hits brock lights out and 50% chance Lesnar gets it on the ground and Fedor is lights out.

But I will say this, Fedor could get hit by one of those lunch box fists and its lights out too.

I want to see this fight!

you my friend, have just proven who the joke is.

Keep in mind that Fedor is not the one using weight difference or anything else as an excuse. His nut hugger fans are the ones talking about all this. Fedor handles his business and doesn’t make excuses. I’m not a big Fedor fan, but am smart enough to realize that he is a top HW. I personally think he would have big problems w/ Lesnar, and after watching Rogers overpower him, I’m even more convinced that Brock would be able to control him and beat him.

buddy ur dumb shut up if anyone in the world is gunna get mma mainstream is dana….who else is gunna doit….scott coker? by puttin on 3 cards a year? no!

DW has brought MMA to a place that NO SUIT could have ever dreamed of. Ill stick with DANA at the helm, thanks tho!

umm…did you just see the thread about action figures for sale at Toys R Us? anyone who continues to say dana is hindering the sport from going mainstream is living under a rock. strikeforce wouldn’t even be on cbs if UFC programming on spike didn’t dominate the 18-35ers. “octogon” used to be a shape; now it’s a fighting surface…chuck liddell was on dancing with the stars…forrest griffin is now a new york times best selling author…can someone please define “mainstream” for me?

Dana is the face of the UFC , who does strikeforce got? Its like wcw with no promo’s or booker T. The best thing about strikefarce! is jenn brown. Strikefarce is for the people that cnt make it n the UFC , Mousasi gots skillz but sokogu became irrelevant in 07. Brock would kill fedor lets B real come on a guy changin tires a year ago almost ripped his nose off his face wit 1 punch Agine what brocks XXXL hands would do? remember he ko’d Couture wit a glancing blow to the side of the head. then Rogers was in a dominant position on the ground Ur tellin me brock would not pound out fedor in thar same position? Get off the russian cock. He dnt wanna fight brock . Best pound for pound? Well i have neva seen Anderson Silva get a broke nose or even hit lately, or maybe we should go to sears and grab a guy who changes tires and see what silva does to him. UFC is here to stay and so is Dana and i’ll B the first to say , Thank God

Ok, fedor’s only loss is due to a cut and he would have won via DQ had it not been a tourney.

Hmm, correct me if i am wrong here, but didnt GSP lose in the last 5 seconds because he was thinking ahead and was cocky and didn’t train for Serra and lost?

didnt Anderson silva lose by a bad arm triangle in Pride and is also the victim of one of the sickest submissions in MMA?

Didn’t Brock try to use pure strength to dominate Mir in the first fight they had?

My point is that in Mixed Martial Arts, anyone, even us, has a punchers chance. Accidents and mistakes happen. In 31 fights, why is it that he has never had a “mistake” or a “fluke”. He beats the no names like he should and he has done nothing but dominate the top names. Even UFC heavyweights, such as cain velasquez(source: video on MMA Mania last week),dont think Brock can beat Fedor.

Dana I think is a good face and I think we can all agree that if Fedor went to the UFC and beat Brock, Dana would be touting him as a living legend. He is protecting his brand.

Dude like him or not Danas the Face of mma period.Nd hes going to be around for a long time soaring mma to new heights whether you like what come out of his mouth or not.If he weren’t speaking the truth about a lot of things then you’d disregard just about everything he says,but as the saying goes the truth can hurt sometimes thats why some of you guys take offense to him.

its not unprofessional!!
why wouldnt he say that a rival company is shit.
You dont expect C.E.O of Coke to come out and say “yeah pepsi is the shit”.
Hes got to diffrenciate UFC from other companies and saying stuff like this gives UFC headlines with more mainstream viewers.
Because if by chance that was your 1st fight and youre thinking “holy shit Fedor is god” then you see Dana (a bigger company) promoting Lesnar (known to mainstream) as better youre going to watch and see.

Very true David, Dana White is soooo un proffessional, he is the least classy guy in mma. He pissed off Hendo and Rampage, and the thing that I really truly fail to understand about him, is that he spends soooo much time insulting fedor and saying how terrible he is and then is actually surprized when Fedor doesn’t want to work with him.

If anything I think that Fedor coming to the UFC would be Dana’s worst nightmare, because there is a chance that Fedor would beat Brock, Cain and co and that would legitamize everything that Dana has spent so long trying to destroy (ie. other orgs that Fedor has fought in) and make him and the UFC look pretty stupid and knock them right off of their high horse!!

Yeah using Rampage as an example of Dana not being professional kind killed your argument

Dana doesn’t need to talk about the competition, you don’t see Pepsi and Coca Cola talking about each other as that’s free advertising to the competition. Making a controversial statement about a fight and a promotion will encourage those who missed SF and Fedor to watch the next SF show or Fedor fight, plus it makes him look dumb for bashing a great card and a great fighter who he tried to sign for $6 million a fight.

Dana probabaly did more advertising for SF and Fedor-Grim than CBS did and I bet his Mayweather bashing helped promote his fight with JMM better and made him and the UFC look small-time when their numbers got killed by a big boxing card.

Also, if he kept contract negotiations private like any other professional sports manager/owner/promoter does then maybe Fedor, Rampage and Hendo wouldn’t get pissed off by Dana trying to turn the media and public against them.

It would be a close scrap imo.

Too close to say “Cain would smash him”…that’s for sure.

Delldog, that is one years worth of TUF. Are you saying the program that saved MMA in North America is always or has always been brutal?

Fedor got hit with 4 punches in the first round…did you watch the fight?

So what if the bigger guy pressed him against the cage for a while…..what did you expect?

When does pressing someone up against the cage win a round in the UFC? Never. So why would it win a round anywhere else?

Pushing someone against the cage does not win you fights but really takes all the cardio from the opponent, taking out his explosiveness, but the point is that he got handled by a bigger stronger guy against the cage and on the ground, keeping in mind that Rogers is not a wrestler. Do you think Rogers is as good at wrestling as Brock? If you ask Dana or course he is going to say Brock will beat Fedor, but looking at the fight on Saturday I think that Brock, Randy, and even guys like Cain can beat Fedor, why? because they are strong wrestlers that can nullify Fedors skills and explosiveness. But Fedor KO’d Rogers…yeah but Rogers was gassed and got careless in the second round, something I doubt will happen to any of the guys listed above.

FMX you must also think Machida beat Shogun.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb2sxo_fedor-vs-rogers-not-on-pay-per-view_sport

Show me where Rogers “handled Fedor on the ground”.

I’ll give you a chance to watch the fight again. Get back to me.

My God….Fedor tries unsuccessfuly to sub the guy a few times, and “he got handled on the ground”.

What fight were you watching?

I’m watching the fight were a mediocre fighter with sublevel wrestling and submission defense got the best of Fedor at the 2min mark were he couldn’t keep him down, or were he got reversed in that kimura attempt. Then if Roger was an experienced fighter he would have not lost the position were he pounded on Fedor and got put in that arm bar.

Again, the point here is can Brock beat Fedor? before last Saturday everyone would have said no, because some have this image of Fedor of being a fighter with no weaknesses. After this Saturday, I agree with Dana that fighters with a set of skills like Brock’s and Randy’s can definitely do the job.

fmx,

Brock couldn’t get out of an ankle lock.

’Nuff said.

Well hopefully we agree that Brock learned from that mistake in his following fights. Herring, Randy, and Mir could not put him in a position were he was vulnerable to a submission. If Fedor cannot control Rogers on the ground, why would you think he can do this to Brock, or Randy, or even Cain for that matter.

If Fedor can’t control Brock on the ground…he’d knock his head off standing.

well, rogers actually hit an amazing sweep on fedor and pounded him hard while he was in his guard.

Dude Fedor is overly hyped on the ground,im not trying to bash him but he showed that he can be controlled and neutralized on the ground by some1 who isn’t even a ground technician.

Damn near every HW has some kind of ground skills in the UFC with the exception of Kongo.

There is a difference between “controlled” and “neutralized”.

Rogers neutralized him (at points)…but never controlled him….ever.

Even when he started punching from Fedors guard…Fedor slapped on an armbar.

Im sorry i ment that his submissions can be neutralized,and he can definantly be controlled by a stronger man Rogers wasnt playing ground with him for long but thats one of the kinks I seen in his armor based on the whole fight.

Rogers hurt Fedor with that jab…there’s no doubt about it…fmx, make sure you watch that part and notice how hard Rogers hit him…supposedly broke his nose…its amazing Fedor wasn’t on the ground earlier…he went to the ground and had no problems getting up from whatever Rogers had for him…THATS the sign of a champion…outweighed by 30+ pounds, with a broken nose he STILL manages to beat Rogers EVERYWHERE and KO him in the process

Than you also saw how Rogers had no problems getting up from whatever Fedor had for him including that Kimura and Armbar. I disagree that Fedor beat Rogers everywhere like you say, Fedor ko’d Rogers, but when he got hurt he tried to take it to the ground and could not submit him and as you can see in the video even hold him in the ground. In the second round Rogers gassed, got sloppy, and got ko’d due to his inexperience.

I do not understand why many put Fedor head and shoulders above the rest of the heavyweights in the UFC like he could walk through them like a machine. Saturday we were shown that there are some weak points, especially in the cage. Also, in my opinion it is the first time that Fedor faces a truly big and strong heavy weight. The freaks he fought in Pride may have been over 300 pounds and had big muscles, but that doesn’t mean that they have great core strength like Brock, Carwin, and another example can be someone like GSP in the lower weight divisions. Fedor knows the US is not Japan and that going to the UFC poses a threat to his unbeaten record which is what he and his management bank on to make money. Nog put money aside came to the UFC and is now doing well, also Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida, Shogun, and others, why was Fedor different, because he saw what happened to CroCop and decided not to risk it. Who can blame him for securing his future, but don’t put him above the rest on the presumption that he is invincible.

In the end to each is own, I’m looking forward to fights between Nog, Brock, Carwin, Cain, Dos Santos and others next year, and then wait to see Fedor fight another can who could not make it in the UFC and claim his glory as number 1.

are you serious? If rogers got fedor down, you don’t think brock or carwin could? not saying brock is going to destroy fedor, but i think he could win. rogers had opportunity to finish, but couldn’t pull the trigger.

Did you even watch the fight. Rogers never got Fedor down dumbass. Fedor took Rogers down with ease and Fedor went for a kimora. Do you think maybe he wouldn’t have tried that against Carwin. Fedor would fight everyone different. Fedor is 31-1. Lesnar is 4-1 and if he can go is next 27 fights without losing then I will say he is at Fedor’s level.

The only reason Fedor caught Grim with that right is because Grim had his hands down to his nipples practicly the whole time it was on the feet.When Grim had his hands up blocking them sloppy ass haymakers Fedor was throwing in the 2nd round not 1 landed they clinched and he turned Fedor into the cage like he was 3 year old toddler.If Grim had even the smallest wrestling background kept his hand high and shot on Fedor in between his sloppy exchanges it would of been a ground and pound clinic until it was stopped.What the heck do you think brock would do to him.lol.You guys crack me up.

Fedors post fight interview he stated that he studied Rogers’ footwork and knew when to throw the right hand.

That’s the difference btween Fedor and Brock “I have kissing disease” Lesnar.

Fedor is the man.

It was no “sloppy, haymaker”…it was calculated and perfect.

Agree. Fedor studies his opponents and knows exactly how they move. Fedors timing and speed is awesome.

Fools get fooled and your cleary one of Finklesteins most beloved fools intovert LOL

Every feet does start on the feet, that is true…until a 290lbs man snatches him up and throws him on his neck. If Randleman could suplex him just imagine what brock would do with that position…my god fedor would be the first death in MMA

Every fight….Sorry I had a long day at work

what happened to randlemans arm after the suplex. i think it belongs to fedor now.

I guess you missed the DEATH part of that comment.

sorry wrong reply box………that was meantfor Dr. Wyatt

NNR Mir is not trash he beat NOG hurt or not he beat the best fighter fedor has beat to date fedor is managed by the modern day Don Kings wich they may be able to fool the Russians who are still behind times in a country that is fed what the one in power to hear but the fact is over here we been through the BS hype machine with boxing and have learned what a farce it was just look at his opponents Brock has faced better competition than Fedor since his Pride days and really the only competition worth #1 ranking was based on two fighters that pathetic if you ask me common sense tells a lot of fans Fedor would be in trouble in the UFC M1 knows that so they took another path so they can go back home and Broadcast Fedor beating the best American HW LOL.

Intro, at work videos don’t work here. I’ll have to watch and get back to you tonight after 5. I’m surprised that Mania even works here. Sorry dude.

It basically uses the same guys in your tourney( you didn’t even use good UFC guys) except flips the script for a better draw showing you that it could go the opposite way. I even used Cro Cop to give you a nice early advantage, it still doesn’t work out well for the SF boys though.

There it is, dispute that Intro. Matching up your SF guys against the wrong people makes your SF guys go bye-bye in the first round.

I used the guys Dana is talking about!!!!!!

Man, even you won’t back Dana up!!!!!!

What gives?

Jay,

You can’t back up the same guys Dana is talking about?

What’s the point even posting your “tournament” if you are not willing to back Dana up?

Oh….I thought this was your own little list. Like I said above, I am at work and can’t watch the vid. He said something about a tourney or something with those fighters?

There is no vid.

Dana made comparisons between Brock, Cain, Carwin, Mir and the SF guys.

So, you should at least make a list with Dana’s boys on it to back Dana up.

Good luck with that.

All he said was that they could beat one dimensional Rogers. That has nothing to do with any of the SF guys you are talking about. I wouldn’t use Mir in any argument, he is GARBAGE.

It’s true, though….as messed up as it sounds. Every Dana lover under the sun always shrugs their shoulders when Dana refuses to co-promote….I don’t get it.

I’m a fight fan….I want the best fights. I don’t give a flying f$ck whether or not the UFC co-promotes with whoever. Only Dana lovers care about that.

Do you even listen to yourself? M1 wants to co-promote, but what do they do to co-promote? They manage a fighters life, that’s it. What did M1 do for SF this weekend that they couldn’t have done for themselves? They took up advertising space in the cage that could have gone to actual PAYING customers. Is M1 going to foot half of the bill if SF doesn’t make enough money to stay afloat after their next show? NO, they are going to sue SF, just like they are suing Affliction. M1 will kill SF and you are wondering why UFC didn’t want to get in bed with them? What sort of business do you run? Mind if I co-promote with you? I don’t have anything to offer, just want my name in all you advertisements.

Jay,

you’ve just summed up everything I just said…

You need to stop acting like a Dana fanboy, business advisor and start demanding the fight.

You are the reason this fight will never happen.

I don’t disagree with you that it would not make business sense for the UFC to do it…I’ve never stated otherwise.

The difference between you and I is simple… don’t care…I’m an MMA fan….not a guy who is worried about how many Ferraris Dana White can afford.

M1 Finklestein is the modern day Don King he has made Fedor tons of money and fame and fooling many since his Pride days wich really Fedors #1 has been standing because of beating one fighter NOG. Guaranteed they are making it sound back in Russia like Fedor beat the best American HW. Think about what kind of record guys like BJ Penn would have fighting guys ranked #10 in the world he would destroy them just look at his opponents there is only one fighter on it that is in the top five today and he only beat two top five fighters in his life M1 has made a lot of fools money I’ll give them that hey intro LOL.

So your idea for DW(the guy who basically helped saved MMA in orth America) is to let M1 in and take a cut of the cash(without doing anything) then ruin the organization, all for one fight?? And you are a business owner?

How would doing one fight with M-1 ruin the UFC?

Please explain.

As much of a UFC fanboy as you are, you sure aren’t giving the UFC much credit by assuming they’d forfeit their whole orginization somehow by co-promoting one event.

Can you explain why you think doing one co-promoted event with M-1, and giving all of us the fight we want to see, would ruin the UFC’s enterprise?

You wouldn’t understand intro you live in a bubble world

…and yet another wannabe UFC business advisor.

Are there any fans left?

Yes the fans want to see UFC stay afloat. We don’t want to have another organization every month just because M1 wants money for nothing.

Not blind ones, you finished up that category.

Why do you guys care if Dana can buy a bigger mansion?

One fight co-promoted with M-1 would do nothing to sink the UFC….we all know this.

So, as fans…..who gives a sh!t if one event doesn’t make the UFC any money?

Dana won’t do it for one reason only…

He’d be left holding nothing but his d!ck in his hand after the fight was over…..that’s it.

You guys aren’t fans…..you’re wannabe UFC execs.

I’m a fan man. I want to see the best fighters fight. But from a business perspective, I understand it would be stupid for Dana to give away a piece of the business he and his partners built to a promotional company that dosen’t know what the hell they are doing. M-1 are idiots, they are small potatoes and shouldn’t have any promotional right/partnership to the ufc. The ufc made mma! And Fedor is stupid for letting them run his career into the ground as of late.

Holy crap, wes.

I agree with the “business perspective” thing…I really do.

But, seeing the best fights available trumps any “business dealings” for me.

It should for you, too….but it doesn’t and I don’t understand why.

M-1 would not ruin the UFC over 1 fight…..like I said, give Dana and the bros. more credit than that.

fedor is scared at the new era of HW fighters look what the big #9 ranked rogers did now imagine what the #1 ranked HW in the world Brock would do LOL hey intro

Same thing. Say “I think that stoppage was little early” as he wondoring where the f he is.

What did rogers do ? Tell me ? Cut his nose up with his jab ? is that what you are refering to ?

If so , Than let me tell you something buddy , Fedors been cut many times but that does not change the fact that he will still come after you and beat you up no matter what happens to the guy.

puck,

1. ranked Brock?

Not a chance.

Instead of using Fedor’s faults to say Brock is #1. Tell us what Brock actually did to deserve your #1 ranking.

Best of luck with that answer.

Simple Brock is holding the #1 HW belt in MMA today as Fedor is padding his record so M1 can hype his ass up as the #1. Another thing intro Dana’s IQ is ten times what yours is I’ll take is word over your anyday remember you called coleman a top five HW LOL

I dont think Fedor is scared to fight in the UFC.Its is all the retarded ppl around Fedor advising him and his situation.Fedor is not scared to lose the ppl around him are and know it would without a doubt happen.So Fedors contract will be up in 2 fights I believe. If he resigns with M1 then I think that is his scapegoat NOT to fight the best! PERIOD!

Simple…yet to the point.

Or a guy with one fight under his belt. You would have tapped when the bell wrung. And shite yourself the second your entrance music started.

LOL , JAY , whats up buddy ? haha

he would have shit himself against mir? i dout it.

roy, are you saying that Intro can take Murrr? Or did you think I meant Fedor? He asked who taps to an ankle lock and I said he would do the things I described.

IL Nino, what up bro? Where you from? I keep asking you and I think you keep missing it.

From ( Europe ) (Italy)

What about you ?

“You would have tapped when the bell wrung. And shite yourself the second your entrance music started.”

Damn straight I would.

The funny thing is you’d use it to claim Brock is #1 in the world.

That’s the sad part.

Il Nino, really Italy huh? Do you get all the fights for free too like the rest of the spoiled Euros on here? jk euros.
Intro…Brock had exactly one fight worth of experience and was totally smashing Mir in that fight before the knee bar and the Maz stand up. Pretty impressive if you asked me. Find me another guy in the world who can claim the same feat and I will say Brock isn’t a special athlete.

jay,

Tap…tap…tap.

That’s all that matters.

Well don’t waste your time writing because no one can read it anyway.

Agree peazy. If you can’t take the time to make your post readable, what makes you think anyone will take the time to read it? I got a headache just looking at that jumble of words.

I finally agree with jay on something.

That’s how bad your post is, peazy.

It wasn’t my post that he was talking about. I know how to write in English.

Sorry, peazy.

My bad.

I meant the heee heee hahaha guy.

Yeah peazy wasn’t the bad poster. He called out the poster. You agree with me on something, you just don’t know what. lol.

its not that hard to read if you have half a brain…people who arent dbags like you guys read it in every thread i hav posted in…and comment about what i said…not the way it was wrote…grow up there kiddies

You’re missing the point, heheheh hahahaha.

I’m sure even jay would agree with me (for a change) that we all like a good MMA debate, but to read a post with no grammar or punctuation is a solid waste of time.

Just put some periods and commas in your post so you don’t have to get into arguments over stupid crap like punctuation.

How hard is that….really?

Dude if you can’t work a shift button or use paragraphs or proper sentence structure, what am I going to learn from you? You probably don’t know what you are talking about if you don’t know how to write a sentence. I would like to give you some feed back since that is what I enjoy doing. But c’mon that thing seriously gives me a headache just looking at it. I’m not being a D-bag, I probably would try to make some sense out of it and debate you a little, but it really does make me dizzy.

Intro. We must agree since we sent pretty much the same post at the exact same time. I think if we tried we could think of more things we have agreed on. I am always nicer to you since we are both Canucks. That has to mean something?

i know how to work the shift button and know how to use paragraphs and proper sentence structure. do i feel the need to do it on a mma site? no not so much. there r plenty of other people that have been able to read it and understand what i am saying and not give me shit for the way i type on a mma site. its not hard to read like i said if you have half a brain. im not gonna sit here and argue with you guys if ur that immature that you would sit here and argue over something as little as grammer. read if you want to if not go to the next person. grow up alittle there guys. seriously. sometimes the people on here seem mature and intelligent and sometimes you guys seem like your a bunch of middle school kids. which one is it?

All we’re asking is for you to hit the ‘enter’ button and the ‘tab’ button every once in while.

P4P is always debatable.

The HW rankings are not.

Of course they are knucklehead, lower ranked guys beat higher ranked guys all the time. Rankings, like your opinion don’t mean a lot because that’s all a ranking is is some organization or sportswriter’s opinion.

Oooh, Wes spanked ’em. I think I hear OJR whining.

My God.

Fedor is #1.

Live with it already.

Yep, told ya, he is whining!

“The HW rankings are not”
HAHA, clueless. Than he decides he is caught with no clue and comes back with….

“My God.”
“Fedor is #1.”
“Live with it already”

Classic case of a troll caught talking out his ass.

Why is “Fedor is #1” a troll post?

I guess every ranking system under the sun is wrong, and Brock should be #1? Is that what you’re saying?

No.. not that part intro. Fedor is number 1, I have never disputed that. You know I agree about that. The part about about HW rankings not being debatable. They are essentially the same thing as P4P, all opinions.

I was referring to mickib’s post.

and yours isnt? yours is pointless.. what they said makes sense cause you know there are people out there that will say the very exact same thing…

“what they said makes sense cause you know there are people out there that will say the very exact same thing…”

I wouldn’t.

If Fedor loses….he loses.

There are people out there who will say that Jason Guida can beat Brock Lesnar.

thats you..but you cant sit here and honestly say that there wont be the fedor nuthuggers that will make that excuse for him…i dont agree on much of what you say on here but i dont think you are that oblivious to reality

anyone who says jason guida could do that is beyond retarded…jason guida can hardly make weight let alone fight someone with the skill of lesnar and win.

How is my post lame?
I never said that Fedor fans would make excuses I think Fedor is and always will be (even after a loss) an amazing mma fighter. I am saying that people that say IF he loses that it doesnt mean anything becuase it would be to a bigger man and thats the only reason he would have lost. Peazy you need to sit and read a post, think, re-read maybe get your mom to help you understand a few of the bigger words then post.

MickiB

Who said this? Who said that if Fedor loses it won’t matter?

I’ve never read anyone’s post like this.

i agree with that mickib…peazy is quick to say something always…maybe if he read what people wrote and intelligently responded back to it than maybe we could take what he says into consideration

Well if Brock loses people will say “Well he only has __ number of fights” Who cares what people will hypothetically say if such and such happens? That was my point.

If Lesnar were to lose to anybody people would say “Well he only has 5 fights under his belt” My point was who cares what people would say if something hypothetically happens in the future.

I guess i worded it wrong OJR it was put that if he did lose to someone that had 50lb on him would anyone be excited about it.

Post from above:

Great post Duece! Eventually Fedor will lose, and all the haters will run their mouth as if 1 loss, tarnishes everything Fedor has accomplished…When he does lose, I really hope its not against a guy that weighs 50 lbs more then him…Like you said, would we really get excited about Forrest beating bJ Penn?

Now thats comparing a LHW to a LW not the same weight class. AND yes i know HW has a massive gap but still its his choice to fight there and to say that it would not be somthing remarkable for someone to beat him even though they have 50+ on him is weak.