ya but it also says how stupid some/ alot people are that would rather see a youtube seansation bearded guy fight than an Elite mma fighter, I mean look at all the free fights UFC has put on spike with advertising and people know its happening kimbo still gets more rating some how it just pisses me off

Yeah, I agree nor cal mexican. It shows how many people really have no clue about MMA

replace that ‘we’ with ‘he’

Always record an hour after a live event or whatever is on after the Kimbo fight CBS had was the same thing.

Exactly Puck, I ALWAYS record an extra hour for all live events – even the 6 hr HDnet cards. But for WEC, I tend to record 2 hours over because sometimes they say its a 2 hr event, but it ends up being a 3hr one that runs over. It hasn’t happened lately, but you are always better safe than sorry.

NNR: TRUE THAT! Then again, I always thought of him more as a positional grappler then a submmission master.

Sheilds better fake an injury and take some time off so he can hold on to the title for a little, because he has NO SHOT at beating Jacre. HOw can Shields beat a better grappler, who is more athletic and explosive then him? HE DOESNT!!! That MW title wont find a home until in lands on Jacre’s waste.

Does anyone think sheilds would outgrapple Maia in a ground war? FOCK NO! So how is he supposed to beat Jacre?
HE WONT!!!

Very pleased to see that this card was a rating success. Around 4 million viewers? Not bad for an unmarketable fighter that no one knows!! hahahahaha

Also Jacare has better striking. Can’t wait until he wipes that dumb grin off his face. Until then i’ll say he taps lindland with another armbar quick in the 1st. As far as the ratings though what if shields killed it outright with his borefest and the numbers turn out to be lower than the 10:30 slot? We can all say one thing is for sure – CBS is done letting jake stink up their shows, they’ll straight Okami him if he ever gets on there.

I REALLY wish there was like 10 more seconds left in the 3rd round. Mayhem had that choke in DEEP and 5 more seconds and Shields would have been napping. Jake had Mayhem’s back or had him mounted for probably 12 minutes and I don’t believe he attempted a single submission and he also hit Mayhem like a 12 year old girl with marshmallow gloves.. Mayhem had Jake’s back for about 20 seconds and almost choked him out.

In Japan, Mayhem would have been given the decision because he was the fighter trying to finish the fight.

I had a Gegard/Fedor/Miller parlay that would have payed out very nicely.

john, of course everyone is going to tune in for their first taste of free Fedor, the question is will they continue to tune in to watch him fight more cans?

John G, are you implying that Souza is a better grappler than Maia?

The problem is, Sheilds isn’t really a MW at all. He should be fighting at WW. I’d like to see how his grappling stacks up to Fitch or Kos.

I am implying that jZacre is just as good of s grappler as Maia. I think they are the best 2 in the world. jacre is the mnore explosive athlete though.

I haven’t seen enough of Souza to render an informed opinion about whether or not he’s as skilled as Maia, but I definitely agree that he’s more explosive, from the few fights I’ve seen, I’d say he’s much more exiting to watch. Maia reminds me too much of Royce.

I always thoroughly enjoy Mayhem’s entrances.

Agreed, Dave, he looked like a total spasmodic ass in that intro…but then it’s hard to hide the truth.

If he had spent a little more time training and less time rehearsing his Dancing with the Stars audition he might have fared better in his fight.

I can’t believe no one jumped on John’s spelling of waist. Are we that used to college graduates not knowing how to spell lose or waist? Just busting balls john!

Not sure about KO of the year. Hornbuckle kicking Gono unconcious for about

10 minutes was sick. Marius Zaromskis has had some sick KO’s as well this year.

Hendo takes the cake for the Bis KO.

But when Fedor hit Rogers, it sounded like a concrete cinderblock falling from a 20 story building landing on the pavement. SO loud. Loved the mics on the refs.

My thoughts exactly the Hendo KO was the best KO of the year it’s going to be hard beat that one.

The other 2 Fedor fights that took place in the US were PPV. Those PPV’s had very poor numbers. This was the first fight most North American fans have seen him in and he looked average against a fat guy with no skills. I think that speaks poorly of Fedor the Great!

I’m afraid you may have a point there, jay. To first-timers tuning in to their first MMA fight, this was just two fat guys in a brawl. I think their physiques probably hurt the marketing because the average American’s think that you have to be cut like a boxer to be a serious fighter. They haven’t seen flabby guys destroy pretty-boy body-builders like we have. To them, this just looked like a fight between two out-of-shape bouncers. It’s too bad Fedor/Arlovski wasn’t on Network TV. That would’ve attracted a lot more viewers I think, including a large female audience since Arlovski looks like one of those models on the cover of romance novels.

Hahaha I just had to respond because I felt bad. I don’t think anyone else is going to reply to your Fedor bashing. Don’t give up though make sure you do it on every post somebody besides me might see it!! You can do it!!

Kayo, thanks. I’m not bashing Fedor though. Just his blind fans and the cans he fights.

what cans rogers? lol

Yeah Rogers and Werdum or any other mismatch they decide to throw at him. Maybe Cans is inappropriate and mismatch is a better word. I want to see him fight someone where he is less than a 6 to 1 favorite. Don’t you? Or is padding an already padded record what you are into?

everyone he fights will be the underdog, werdum and overeem won’t be as big of one as rogers just cause he was more unknown but he might have proved to be tougher than then.even brock would be the underdog if they fought.

AHHH. Yes Roy but Brock would not be a 6 to 1 underdog with only a punchers chance. Also Werdum would be a bigger dog than Rogers was. Overeem although would make a better fight, but I am not in suspense as to who would win that fight. I guess what I am saying that unless he fights Brock or Shane right now I won’t be excited to see him fight. At least against those two he has more than one way to lose and losing would be a good possibility.

That is dumb. Shane Carwin would be handled just like Rogers, Carwin is just as amateur with his striking. He would be as easily handled as you mother on saturday night in one of those white trash bars she likes to be in. Jay get off of Dana’s d i c k. Brock is the only Heavyweight in the UFC that Can probably beat Fedor.

brock or shane? shane has one win against gonzaga who werdum tko’ed twice, werdum is better than shane or rogers.

MMA math does not apply. Brock Lesnar is the only UFC HW with the skill set to beat Fedor. Before all you Fedor-hugging trolls start screaming, I said Brock has the physical skills necessary to win. That doesn’t mean he absolutely would win, just that he has the best chance of any current UFC or SF HW.

Shane’s record isn’t any better than Rogers. In fact, given that Gonzaga was schooling Shane before he bit the big one, and Rogers easily beat AA who was higher ranked than Gonzo, I’d say Rogers’ posed more of a threat to Fedor than Shane would have.

Essentially, Jay, what you’re saying (over and over and over again) is that if Fedor doesn’t go to the UFC and fight Brock, he’s ducking and padding his record. But you could just as easily say the same thing about Brock, that if he doesn’t go to SF and fight Fedor, Barnett, Rogers, Overeem, Silva…etc, that he’s not a real champ cause he won’t fight the best. I think Fedor, Bigfoot, and Barnett are the 3 guys in the world with the best chance of beating Lesnar. And none of them are in the UFC. So it’s Lesnar who isn’t fighting the competition that could threaten him. Carwin’s the only contender in the UFC That Lesnar doesn’t have 50 lbs and a big reach advantage over. He’s the heavy favorite against anyone in the UFC, so why don’t you accuse him of padding his record? If Rogers is a can, Carwin would have to be too.

Before all you Fedor-hugging trolls

i know your not referring to me!

Rogers and Carwin are both great up and coming dangerous fighters that are unknown how good they are Rogers answered a lot of questions about his ground game and did a good job against Fedor Carwin will be taking on Brock and should be tested himself. any wich way you put it they are exciting HW to watch in MMA period.

why should Brock have to go to a lesser organization to fight Fedor? That’s like someone from the Toronto Argonauts calling out the New England Patriots.

Sorry, PW, not even sure what sport that is you’re talking about, but unless the Argonauts have 3 or 4 of the TOP 10 players in the sport, including the consensus #1, then I don’t think your comparisson is valid.

Puck, I wasn’t saying I think Rogers & Carwin are cans, I was responding to Jay’s insistence that Rogers is a can and Fedor won’t fight top talent, by demonstrating that Carwin and Rogers are at the same level. IOW, Fedor is facing equal talent outside the UFC as he would face in the UFC. I was just challenging his double standard when it comes to Fedor.

That was the only Canadian football team I could think of.

shonuff Rogers yeah he can be debated as being equal talent but I can’t see to many other strikeforce fighters beating Rogers little alone Fedor hopefully AA fights Werdum and then the winner of that gets a shot at Fedor and the WAMMA belt should be on the line LOL.

Strikeforce shouldn’t be blamed for not having anyone who can beat Fedor. A year ago, nobody thought the UFC had anyone who could beat Fedor either.

As for Rogers, I think he should fight Bigfoot. I don’t know what happened to Bigfoot in this last fight and why he suddenly stopped punching (maybe broke his hand) but he was spanking Werdum for the first round and a half and I think he could give Rogers a run for his money. I also think he’s the biggest threat to Brock. He’s the only guy bigger than Brock who also has skills. He’s got heavy hands, great jits creds, and a lot more experience than Brock, Rogers, or Carwin. I’m not saying I’d put money on him, but I think he’s got the right combination of size and skill to give Brock more trouble than anyone else out there.

Exactly Azazel, Fedor has more wins over UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS and TOP 3s than “UFC No 1 Contender” Carwin has against cans. Brock has exactly TWO wins over TOP 10s. Nog is by far the best HW in the UFC and Fedor has already beaten him twice. Fedor’s last 3 victims were all TOP 10. How is he not fighting “the best”? The only “greats” he hasn’t beaten are Randy Couture and Juice Barnett and he tried to fight both those guys but was blocked by their legal problems. The only other fighter anyone could possibly claim is “the best” is Lesnar, who’s got a 3-1 pro record, compared to Fedors 30-0. Fedor is clearly the best in the world. Why aren’t people screaming that Brock is a coward for not going to SF to fight “the best”? Why? Because they’ve been drinking Dana’s magic cool-aid!

Azazel, are you implying that people can’t know anything about MMA while thinking that Fedor is currently fighting bums? What does beating AA, Timmay and that fat gas attendant do for him?

It shows he can still beat the shit out of TOP 10 Heavyweights, that’s what! Sylvia and Arlovski were so mentally rattled after their fights with Sylvia that they screwed up big time in their next fights. That doesn’t take anything away from what he did to them, or the fact that they were both TOP 5 at the time. And if Rogers were in the UFC, he’d be in the TOP 5.

Azazel- I am not some kid just getting into the sport, and probably “hit the mat” when you where still waiting on pubes.

I agree that Fedor is the best heavyweight, at this moment in time, but he is not the “best in the world”. In those 30 wins, you have a lot of cans and past their prime fighters. That is not Fedor’s fault, but it is the truth. Yes, he has beaten a lot of UFC heavyweight champs, but who were they?
Big Tim- Honestly, did anyone ever think he had an ounce of talent?
Arlovski- This one I give Fedor credit for. Besides a terrible chin, he is legit. Maybe Fedor’s 2nd best win.
Coleman- Past his prime. Not a great heavyweight to begin with, but he fought in the early days.
Mark Kerr- Biggest waste of talent in mma history. Drug Addict.

Big Nog, CroCop, and Arlovski are his best wins. Brock has only had 5 fights, but his top 3 fights are actually comparable to Fedor’s. Not saying Brock is the best, but I do think he has a good chance of taking Fedor.
 
Still, I agree that Fedor is the best heavyweight in mma. I also think that the heavyweight division, as a whole, is the worst in mma. If you want me to give my opinion on who is the “best in mma”, I would say it would have to be someone who dominates in a better division, against tougher opponents. GSP and Anderson Silva certainly come to mind, and I think Anderson would also be able to beat Fedor, regardless of what weight they fought at. It may be a bit soon, but you can also make an argument for Lyoto Machida.

My mistake, he never fought Kerr, not sure why I thought he did? I didn’t add Nog because he never technically had the UFC belt, but I did mention that he was one of his best opponents.

Kerr never had the UFC belt either. Was wondering why you mentioned him.

Say what you want about TIM SYLVIA, but he was the best Heavyweight the UFC had for a long time. He beat Arlovski twice, plus Monson and RICCO RODRIGUEZ (who was UFC champ and consensus #1 at the time coming off 11 straight wins incl. Couture, Arlovki, Monson, Buentello, TK, Petey Williams.

Obviously you’re right about the HW division being historically weak, esp in the UFC since PRIDE and AFFLICTION were both Heavyweight focussed and had better guys.

I disagree with your assessment of Fedor’s win over Coleman. The Coleman of PRIDE was better than the Coleman who was UFC champ. Don’t forget he won the PRIDE Grand Prix AFTER retiring from UFC and was considered by many to be the favorite the first time he fought Fedor.

I also think Brock has a good chance of beating Fedor, but that doesn’t change the fact that Fedor has fought and beaten more of the top heavyweights in the world than anyone else. In fact nobody else even comes close. Which is why it pisses me off so much when these Dana nuthuggers say Fedor doesn’t fight the best because he’s not fighting in UFC, as if the guys Brock is fighting are better than the guys Fedor’s beaten. Brock still has yet to face the best Heavyweight in the UFC (Nog) a guy Fedor has already beaten twice. None of these up-n-comers that these newbie fanboys are drooling after (Cain, JDS, Carwin) are in the same league as NOG, so really what has Fedor got to prove? Jay says the guys Fedor fights are no threat to him. But who is besides Brock? And for all his talent and scariness, Brock has yet to accomplish anything near what Fedor has. I believe Brock represents the FUTURE of MMA HWs, but he still has some catching up to do to claim he’s the best in the PRESENT, and he’s the one who still has something to prove, and whose claim to the throne will not be legit till he beats Fedor or Fedor retires or starts losing. And even when/if he beats Fedor, it will always be tainted by the fact that he’s 50 lbs bigger, enough for 3 regular weight classes. Even if he loses to Brock, Fedor will still be remembered as the better fighter.

Personally, the fight I most want to see in MMA is Fedor vs Anderson. I don’t know why people think its fair for Fedor to have to defend his legacy against a guy 50 lbs bigger but not fair for Anderson to fight a guy who’s 15 lbs bigger!!! WTH???

Speaking of Kerr…what the hell happened to him? Back in the day he won his first 12 fights and was considered the next-gen Coleman (basically what Brock is now.)

I just looked him up and he’s lost 10 of his last 12 fights!!! Talk about a fall from grace! How does he still get work?

He got messed up on drugs for a while. HBO did a documentary on him called “The Smashing Machine”. HUGE fall from grace. He looked to be a real world beater, but now he is extremely out of shape, and can’t get a win to save his life.

Please dont forget other Top Notch Heavy Weights Such as (from the ufc’s website roster):

Mostapha Al Turk: Cant beat a mentally raped Cro Cop

Pat Barry: Zero Ground Game

Paul Buentello: Has a great jab but slightly over the hill

Mike Ciesnolevicz: Who?

Mirko Cro Cop: Currently Suicidal

Todd Duffee: Huge, Powerful, completely untested

Justin Eilers: Lost to every big name he has ever fought

Zane Frazier: He needs to win a fight first

Gabriel Gonzaga: A beast but very inconsistant

ETC…

They have a lot and I could keep going. SF as only a few fighters but the ones they have could beat a great deal of the UFC’s roster. Lets not act like they have a deep line up of world beaters. I hope that Fedor does one day go to the UFC or the best fighters end up coming to him. But for now, War Fedor

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Uh…you know that Eilers is dead, right?

-JH

Oh and dont forget Tim Hague. Best Fighter ever to step foot in the UFC. And because he is in the UFC that now means no fighter from any other organization stands a chance. War “The Thrashing Machine”.

Jim-Rod, you hold Rogers pretty high up there. He hadn’t fought anyone before Fedor, he has zero ground game, zero technical stand-up and no real background to speak of. To think he would beat Kongo, Carwin and Dos Santos is laughable. Keep on loving SF right now though, they won’t be around long enough to do it later.

There is also Yvel he is allowed to at least fight one fight and as long as he doesn’t do anything stupid he will be allowed to fight more.

LOL I didnt know he was dead. I bet he could still woop some ass, he is still technically on the UFC roster and therefor could beat anyone from SF.

HOC, so you basically went and copy, pasted the list and added a bunch of mindless dribble to it? Yeah you are the guy I’ll be asking MMA questions to.

How did you not know he was dead? This wasn’t exactly kept a secret.

LOL, good point HOC! So what if he’s dead…if Dana still has him on the UFC roster, he must still be better than Fedor. Eilers probably KOd Lucifer in the first round and has Jesus in a kneebar even as we speak. Cause we all know if Jesus could really live up to his hype, he’d already be in the UFC, right!

nah, he’s ducking too! :)

I disagree. Everyone argued when I said Affliction was going to die before they held 4 shows. I am saying this again, when you make DW mad you don’t stay in business. SF will be gone in less than 3 years. I talked to a lot of people who watch UFC around the office, and they all hated the SF show. They are laughing at me for thinking Fedor is #1 HW. The casual fans who finally got to see Fedor Saturday night all think he is over rated. He messed up big in this fight and he is well on his way to killing another promotion. 2-3 years tops and SF is gone. Most fans don’t have enough time to keep up with more than one organization. Before you flame me and say I work with idiots, just keep in mind this is Joe Public and they make hasty judgements without taking the time to do the research. Another sure sign that this is over soon, did you guys see Jerry Millen in the ring after the fight too? The guy is like the plague, kills everything he touches.

there is a massive diff in SF and affliction,

• SF was already established before they signed Fedor
• SF has a Network TV deal where affliction was PPV
• Affliction payed out huge sums of money to the fighters which SF is a bit more careful with.
• Pretty sure Scott Coker has seen what happened to Elite XC and Affliction and has made sure he wont make same mistakes

the list goes on and on

The main reason i think UFC may no longer be top in next few yrs, is that they held the monopoly on MMA in North America ( and europe i guess), now with SF and to lesser Extent Bellator ( who i believe now have an english TV deal rather than just Spanish or vice versa) the UFC is coming off as the posh older brother who you need to splash out $50 ( dunno price in states as im in uk) to watch, where the average Joe who just wants to watch two fighters go at just need to tune into what ever channel its being shown on and wont need to splash out the coin to watch UFC

People always go on about how deep the UFC roster is but unless you have a champion fighting or Randy on the card most people will flame the shit out of it and say oh this should be free as there is no big names on the card (eg if randy wasnt on 105 it wud be utter shit) even 106 is a weak card only thing saving it for hardcore fans is kos vs rumble and imo Rogerio vs cane since Brock has man flu

bit of a random rant and prob dont even make sense, im just wasting time in work as its blooooody dead

CoNr. Super dead here too. Stupid Economy. SF is also a PPV company. I don’t think they are going to stop doing PPV just because of a deal with CBS. PPV is where the big money is. We don’t know what SF is paying their fighters so saying that they aren’t going to pay too much is a little presumptuous(sp?). Even the crappy cards UFC puts out will do better PPV numbers then SF.

yeah man we not had any design work in for like 3 days ( im graphic designer/illustrator) think the economy is on life support.

Ah i didnt no about the SF being PPV, being in UK Ii just d/l the fights so i assumed they where all on Network TV like elite XC was most of the time, specially with all the woohaa about them being on CBS. so i stand corrected

as for the salaries, i Know they have released them before as i remember Gegard only getting about 2k for beating Babalu where carano got around £125k and i think she was highest paid fighter on that card with the rest getting around 25k not including win bonus’s etc

where i think kimbo was getting like 500k on elite and i heard some fighters got in the millions on Affliction ( but i have no proof of this just what i heard)

all in all i dont want UFC to go anywhere but i do think SF is gonna get stronger, but i do agree with ur earlier post Jay, you piss off Mr white and your not gonna last long in the MMA promoters game

anyone know how SF managed to get a TV deal where UFC has been struggling to land one?

UFC could have had a deal a long time ago, but DW makes it impossible.
The last Carano fight was PPV here.

from what I’ve heard, the UFC/Network TV deal keeps getting held up for the same kind of reasons that UFC won’t get Fedor. UFC doesn’t co-promote and won’t allow anyone to mess with their content. And why should they?!? They’re the premier product in the industry. If you noticed on this Strikeforce card, CBS brought in their own announcers and all we kept hearing was "CBS SATURDAY NIGHT FIGHTS. I only heard 2 little footnote mentions of "brought to you by CBS, Strikeforce, in conjuction with M-1 global and (I forgot which energy drink or nutrition product.) Do you think, after he’s worked for 10 years to make “UFC” the “Porshe” of MMA events, that Dana is gonna let some network execs come in and start telling him how to run his show and using all his fighters and promotion and then barely mentioning “UFC” on Television. HELL NO! Dana would saw off his own leg before he’d let that happen. He’s biding his time till the networks realize what a gem he’s got and are willing to air it as “UFC Fight Night” instead of “Fox Fight Night” or whatever.

roy…he has no jitz training and didn’t compete in any collegiate wrestling. That is what I mean. The fact that Fedor didn’t destroy him(or win the ground fighting) is further proof of Fedor not being ‘the best ground fighter’. He isn’t a ground fighter at all and he handled himself well against Fedor. That speaks very very badly of Fedor.

no it speaks good of rogers.

he has no jitz training? are you crazy of course he trains in jits.

roy, where does he train? How long has he been there? What belt has he aquired? Training a little ground game and having a background are two totally different things. I train jitz too, but I wouldn’t be stupid enough to think I could be effective on the ground against as you put it earlier “one of the best ground fighters”.

jay when did become such a big rogers fan that you know he does not train jits? and he has no ground game you keep saying after he already showed ou he did in the F’ing fight? anyone in mma today trains jits please come up with something better your getting your culo kicked all over this thread.

as you put it earlier "one of the best ground fighters".

 
are you saying fedor isn’t one of the best ground fighters? jay your losing it.

I guess it depends on what you mean? Do I think he could walk into an ADCC tourney next week and win the HW division? No. But as far as smarts and non-technical ground work…no one is in the same league.

roy, is Rogers a ground wizard to you now because he threw Fedor off with brute strength? He is bottom of the ladder on the ground and you know it.

Also to answer a question from earlier roy. The Gina Carano fight she had against Cyborg was PPV here. I don’t know where you are from but in Canada we had to pay for that. That is why I was saying ‘go back to PPV’

no bottom of the ladder would be no ground game, houston , kimbo and others.

I will agree to disagree. Just because I would put Rogers with those guys. At least until I have seen him use it.

…so that’s what you meant about Strikeforce having a PPV model, Jay? I was confused by that, didn’t know they were PPV in Canada. In USA Strikeforce is on SHOWTIME (when not on CBS) which is a premium cable channel that people pay a few dollars a month to add to their cable package.

exactly! Sheilds is like a Pitt Bull who’s had his teeth filed down, he can still get any other dog by the throat and pin them down, but he can’t break the skin.

dont get carried away.. if he learns to inflict damage then there a problem for anyone that faces him. That was pretty stupid to say JAY poor attempt at humor.

Learns to inflict damage? Do you think this was his first fight? He doesn’t have power in his hands. That isn’t something you can learn by reading a book.

Maybe he learns how to distract the ref while he pulls a shiv out of his trunks. That’s about it. Three-year-olds throwing temper tantrums in the mall throw harder hands than Shields does.

ohh zach proves once again he has little intelligence when talking MMA imagine that a Fedor troll LOL

Hey Rick, if you were a real fight fan, you’d know that “Knocked Out” doesnt start with an “N”.

Because they can’t have Fedor fight on every one of their cards. When they go back to PPV, do you think even the hardest of hardcore fighters are going to pay 40 bucks to see Werdum, big foot, Rogers, Diaz, Shields, Mayhem, Overoids any of these dudes? I won’t pay 20 cents to see those guys or Fedor fight another unworthy opponent.

Oh yeah….Fedor messed his hand up Saturday, if he is out for more than 6 months do you think SF can put up enough good cards to stay afloat?

when they go back to ppv? when where they ppv? strike force is getting better and better more talent all the time the next card will not have fedor and it is looking good.

You can’t say for sure Carwin is a differnt Striker than rogers if he connects it’s lights out for anyone Carwin is a little like Rogers in the fact that his ground game in unknown how good but it’s safe to say he should have a better game than Rogers.