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Monday morning scrap: Strikeforce and Sengoku weekend in review

Fans of mixed martial arts were once again treated to an action-packed weekend chock full of fights thanks to Strikeforce cranking out back-to-back shows as well as World Victory Road putting forth a bevy of top stars in the heat of battle for Sengoku: "Eleventh Battle."

Strikeforce held its first CBS prime time mixed martial arts event on Saturday night (Nov. 7) from the Sears Center in Hoffman Estates, Ill., and lit up the Internet message boards with its "Fedor vs. Rogers" main event.

Did we see the greatest living mixed martial artist defeat a tough-as-nails heavyweight prospect? Or a bloated relic getting spoon-fed a former tire mechanic?

In addition to their heavyweight brouhaha, Jake Shields captured the promotion's middleweight title, Gegard Mousasi won without defending his belt, and Fabricio Werdum took one step closer to an eventual showdown with "The Last Emperor."

And Strikeforce did it all just one day after holding their "Challengers" event in Fesno, Calif., which once again saw lightweight veteran Jorge Gurgel abandon his ground game only to be outpointed on his feet -- this time by Billy Evangelista.

Those MMA fans looking for some International flavor got their fill with the HDNet broadcast of Sengoku "Eleventh Battle" from Ryogoku Kokugikan in Tokyo, Japan. While much of the talk surrounded Mamed Khalidov's upset win over Jorge Santiago, international superstars Akihiro Gono and Kevin Randleman were also in action.

In cased you missed any or all of it — or just want to keep the discussion alive — below are links to all the major storylines coming out of all three events.

Let’s get to it.

Star-divide

Strikeforce: "Fedor vs. Rogers"

Nostradumbass predictions and preview

Weigh-in results

Results and live fight coverage

Recap and final thoughts

Preliminary CBS ratings

Sengoku: "Eleventh Battle"

Preview and predictions

Weigh-in results

Open thread and discussion

Results and recap

Strikeforce Challengers: "Evangelista vs. Gurgel"

Preview and predictions

Gurgel defiant on fight strategy

Weigh-in results

Results and live fight coverage

Recap and final thoughts

Remember that Strikeforce: "Evolution" is just around the corner — along with the all new "Sengoku Raiden Championship" on New Year’s Eve for the Japanese scene. Keep it locked in right here at MMAmania.com for all the coverage you can handle.

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Fedor the best pound for pound fighter is total bulls**t…hed get stomped off the likes of anderson silva…put silva in there against rogers and hed do the same to him as he did with forest. Fedor nearly got beat of a nobody…hes sloppy and his cardio looks s**t. Which can is he guna fight next just to keep his legacy in tact? He still living off the fact he beat cro cop and nog…big deal!

by Robbo on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Dana.

The can he is fighting next is the reigning ADCC Champion Fabricio Werdum who when in shape is a bonafied top 10 HW in the world. Fedor would sub Anderson.

by Marcus on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i missed the Sengaku fights anyone know were I can see them online?

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mma-core.com

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus – You back up Fedor by saying hes fighting Werdum? The guy is a tiny heavyweight who most people thought LOST that decision to bigfoot. If your going to defend Fedor find some better points to back it up with.

I think Fedor is amazing but I simply can’t see him losing unless he fights in the UFC. He has smart management who wont let him off his leash enough knowing he might actually lose in the UFC.

Again I will say he is superhuman and I think he is amazing but let’s face it he will wipe everyone up that is outside the UFC and then he will retire.
It’s sad to me.

by Irishmikey on Nov 9, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt about it. I think Lesnar or Carwin would absolutely, positively destroy Fedor after watching this fight.

by Wes on Nov 9, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody thinks Werdum lost to Bigfoot. Where did you get that information?

by peazy on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong Irish Mikey. Who in the UFC would you want him to fight? Big Nog? he already did that and destroyed him, Brock Lesnar? how is fighting Brock 4-1 (one win against an ageing Randy, one against an ageing Heath Herring, whom Fedor destroyed when Heath was in his prime, one against Frank Mir who sucks and one win against someone I’ve never heard of) any more legit than fighting Brett 10-0?(whom has also mostly fought nobodies)Cain and Shane are the only guys I would say are potentially decent fights for Fedor in the UFC. but even Cain is only 7-0 and has never fought anyone of real note. Shane’s greatest achievment was a lucky punch against Gonzaga. Just because the UFC spends alot of money promoting their fighters, doesn’t mean that they are better than fighters in any other org. SEE PAST THE MEDIA HYPE!!! Fedor has never sold himself by trash talking or doing loads of interviews or going to events, he is the huge star that he is PURELY because of his fighting skill and all that he has achieved. Who in the UFC can you say that about?

by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 9, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Robbo didn’t see those parts of the fight where Fedor ragdolled the 280lb. Grim to the ground. Fedor is too smart to get knocked out by Anderson. If he started getting bested on the feet he would EASILY take Anderson down and GnP or submit him. I have a hard time believing Anderson would even beat Grim since all Rogers would have to do is lay on top of him and drop lunchboxes ala Brock vs. Mir. I’m not even sure Silva would necessarily destroy Fedor on the feet(I would certainly give the advantage on paper to Silva). Fedor has faced several fighters with more technical striking and went toe-to-toe with them. Say what you want about Fedor, but the one thing he does is take a tiny mistake and turn it into a win. It doesn’t matter if he gets busted up, looks like he’s going to lose or whatever. He stays calm and waits for the opening and when he sees it he ends the fight. UNFLAPPABLE.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol carwin would beat fedor? who has he beat gabe who werdum tko’ed twice. yeah werdum not a good fighter but carwin is lol.

by roy on Nov 9, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see how anyone is going talk trash about Fedor. Sure he got punched in the face multiple times when on the ground but that’s because like Hong man, Rogers has freakishly long arms. Fedor was calm the whole time and waited to catch an arm for his patent arm bar. He not only did that but he fought Rogers standing without backing up. The man continues to come forward and punches hardly look like they faze him. When fighting giants he’s always going to look a little under matched but I have to say that Fedor dominated that entire fight and was not really in any danger of being finished. That said I have to say who in the UFC or anywhere do you think can beat Fedor? Brock has terrible stand up and his ground game places directly into Fedors. Mir would have a hell of a time standing with Fedor. Nogs lost twice to the man. Randy is no where near able to face Fedor. Shane is just as likely as Brock is to get arm barred as well as Cain. Its ridiculous that you ridicule the man when he just displayed a great fight while fighting on the ground and standing. Its also embarrassing for anyone to call the man overrated. Seriously find someone who can legitimately beat him cause Anderson Silva would get his head punched clean off. There is a huge difference between the power behind Fedors punches and the accuracy behind Silvas. I’d be willing to bet any money that there is not one MMA fighter in any of the known orgs that can beat Fedor. I think there are less than a handful who would even be able to last to a decision with the man. That’s an unbiased opinion, the man is well composed and Gegard and Anderson would literally catch themselves sleeping if they ever fought the Last Emperor

by Cogito Ergo Sum on Nov 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+2

by Cory B on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ergo – there was one moment where rogers tagged him with a couple shots while GnPing fedor where it got kinda scary – most people would probably get KOd but fedor almost sunk in an armbar

i was impressed with fedors fight – his punches looked heavy AND fast, when he threw bombs while having rogers back to the cage – they looked nothing like wild all over the place hay makers that most fighters tend to do in that position – they all had a purpose

altho i did not liek how fedor handled himself when he was pushed up against the cage – no pummeling at all and i think he only got out of it cuz rogers clinch game is craptastic – he have a hard time against brock or randy up against the cage like that

by Jerrolds on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s always the same people to jump to the defense of Fedor’s tired ass legacy. Dude got ass-wiped by a tire mechanic people! And please stop trying to find some kind of fault with Brock just because he’s 4-1. Who cares? He would absolutely pound Fedor’s face to a pulp after seeing what Grim was able to do to him. I don’t even think Fedor could beat someone like Velasquez. I think Gonzaga or Junior Dos Santos would tag his ass too. But I guess we’ll never know will we, since Fedor doesn’t want to fight top competition. Yeah, go fight the ADCC Champion, Werdum!!!! (I laughed when I read that above). Werdum is top ten but got his butt handed to him by average UFC HWs? Make some sense people. Have a nice day.

by RedDog on Nov 10, 2009 7:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus, do you mean one-dimensional, knocked out repeatedly in the UFC, almost killed by Big Foot Silva, Werdum? Oh yeah, I’m really excited for that fight. I wonder who will win?

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

knocked out repeatedly? what the f are you talking about do you just make shit up? he got ko’ed once for underestimating dos santos, i bet he would take the rematch. or where you talking about werdum repeatedly ko’ing gabe gonzaga?

by roy on Nov 9, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i get your point roy but werdum would not take a rematch with dos santos.

by JB on Nov 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dos santos is good, but i could see werdum winning it.

by roy on Nov 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy they fought already. Just because you could see him winning it don’t mean anything. I could see Rogers beating Fedor, so now Rogers can beat Fedor as well?

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

jay, ur so full of shit…werdum knocked out repeatedly? yea right boy

by gaara on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AA beat Werdum… how the hell is Werdum a top 10… take a nap!

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol.Thats wat Fedor would be doing if he met Shane.

by The Legacy on Nov 9, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell yeah

by RedDog on Nov 10, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Robbo, you would say the same thing if Fedor was 100-1. There are tons of people like you out there who have no idea what greatness looks like.

by Mark on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

your mom is greatness, and she looked some good last night!

by newfie on Nov 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Innapropriate but funny

by getrawbc on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That people can watch that fight and come to negative conclusions on the ability of Fedor means that they had those preconceived notions PRIOR to the fight. The fight vs Rogers was a blow vs blow fantastic fight. I get nauseated by the UFC nonsense that can absolutely taint the minds of many of the WWE knuckleheads that post on this site.

Knuckleheads.

by Wags on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Screw WWE,I liked WWF and If the rules were bent a little Id love to see Brock F-5 somebody on there neck.Id actually pay for an event to see that.

by The Legacy on Nov 9, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anderson actually said Fedor would beat him. And he would know better than all of us.
His cardio is amazing, your confusing his calm demeanor for being tired.
His striking in loopy but deadly accurate sometimes too. Against Tim Sylvia he landed something like 7 out of 8 punches in just 5 seconds. All had maximum power behind them.
And beating Nog is a huge deal, always. Especially in his prime.
Most importantly comparing Fedor and Forrest is ignorant and disrespectful to the mma gods. His skill set is on another planet and he’s never even been knocked down by a punch, let alone knocked out.
Robbo, how your cardio these days? Welcome to the sport of mma… noob.

by scissorfight on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sengoku was more competitive IMO. But the only other big point besides Fedor trucking brett is that the Cannibal finally got his breakout win and a nice mid top 10 ranking. Quite a few of us out there have been waiting for this moment. Props to Masvidal and Yokota. Also can people now see why it’s retarded to feed talented and athletic prospects without much experience to grizzled vet? Sok could have been something if Parsons didn’t wreck his career after those two upsets. They could have built him slow.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

khalidov didnt even need a break out win man, anyone thats been watching the guy fight knows he is solid, unfortunately probably from here on out the odds makers will start giving him a little more respect, making betting on him less profitable, but yeah this guy is for real! reminds me of when mousasi was breaking into the mma spotlight

by brendan on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Khalidov really impressed me this weekend. Way more than against Guida. Sengoku was great as usual. It was cool to have Strikeforce Challenger as prelude fight for Sengoku. I got really bored with the Frausto fight. Personally I like better women Japanese fighters b/c of the slick ground game.

Diagne, man that kid got a bright future in front of him. I would be better for him to let go Cung Le and go to a better camp.

Rockhold did really good with his TD and a great RNC. Couldn’t be happier to see crazy coco tap.

Guergel, well still stupid as always.

Sengoku…
Running man did very good against a great wrestler.

York sucks.

Sandro, nice comeback from his loss from Omigawa with a great KO.

Gono might meant business w/o funny entrance but was kinda on cruise control till the last round. He’s dreaming if he think that he can do better next time against Hornbuckle.

Randelman did good in his fight though we all knew that Nedkov was a good wrestler himself. Close fight.

Yokota was the best fight of the night.

Masdival was the fight that I was anticipating the most and I wasn’t disapointed. I hope that he got his title shot with this W.

Strikeforce

Werdum pissed me off by not diying. Fn mofo. Still mad that Big Foot give that fight.

Mouss was great against a tough Soko. Soko showed why he’s a Judo champ with awesome balance.

Jake did good for controlling the fight though he should’ve done something with it. Still a borring, arrogant fighter to me. I really hate that f*#ker.

Fedor was Fedor. I was more impressed with Grim new and improve stand up. He had no footwork before this fight and that was the reason why I was saying that this guy had one of the sloppiest stand up in the game, but he did great to get prepared for his fight and that deserve a little respect.

by Alpha Male on Nov 9, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NNR I always wanted to ask you but I forgot… did you watched the ADCC Barcelona? Do you know if Hermes did good this weekend at the No-Gi World Jiu-Jitsu Championship?

by Alpha Male on Nov 9, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man ADCC was awesome once again this year. Remember back after the Mundials when i told you that give the Raphael kid a couple more years as a black belt and he’ll be unstoppable – who’d have thought only a few more months. Ca$z was there with the estimas and had some funny stories. Marcelo-Kron was just sick, shows how good Kron is IMO even if he got guillotined. The Marcelo-Popovitch was a disgrace. K-Taro did it big and i was happy for him. My theory that Galvao’s primary concern this year being MMA would cost him which it did. As soon as demian dropped out, i said Tarsys would lose interest which he did and blew it as well. The flying armbar was on Pe De Pano, who’d have thought. The women’s matches were also awesome especially with hillary comin up big being the only purple there.

As for as No-Gi world’s i missed it but i still have to watch the vids. Hermes won his masters division. Braga and Lucas came up big which i was hoping. Surprised that Lovato didn’t have that great a showing. But like i said i still need to watch the vids.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

omg w/ all the strikeforce business i forgot about segunko haha even TheDailyBore.com is giving Fedor some love!!! crazyness, MMA is goin MAINSTREAM!!!

by browns fan on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You are forgetting he beat them in their PRIME. He did the best he could against a guy that was 40 pound heavier than him, and beat him at his own game, standing. He could have taken him down and subd him in the first but he made it a hell of a fight. Rogers was no joke. You piss me off cardio was bad rogers shatered his nose in the firs 20 seconds peopl are so dumb!

by bellio on Nov 9, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

whos to say there they were in their prime then and not now. If thats the case how can you think still think Fedor is the best fighter in the world and not past his prime? Cro cop and nog have been way more active and fighting tougher guys now then they ever had b4 so of course they are goin to lose some fights…the same way Fedor would lose if he actually fought some legit fighters!

by Robbo on Nov 9, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like who Robbo? The UFC HW Roster is lacking talent right now, there are a couple of up and comers, Dos Santos and Cain who look good, but, Brock is a scrappy one dimensional 4-1, how is a fight with him more legit than a fight with Brett 10-0 also totally one dimensional. Shane’s biggest achievement was accidentally knocking out Gonzaga and Cain has a weak chin and alot to work on standing before you could say he’s one of the best. Plus he already destroyed Big Nog back in the day.

by Spinning Fat Kick on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

cause Brock is the UFC heavyweight champ like it or not. i’m not that big on Brock but, even if he is 4-1 how many people would have that record after those fights. how many people would beat Couture in their fourth fight? weight or not thats kinda crazy. IMO the only person that could beat Brock is Fedor, and the only man to beat Fedor is Brock. i think its a toss-up, and i really wish we could see that fight.

by FatAttack513 on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey fat attack dont waste your time explaining to these maniacs,a lot of there brains are to small to comprehend what your trying to say.The quality of the opponents that you face and defeat has a bigger impact then the number of wins and losses that you obtain on your record and thats just the way it is,ala Bruce Hornsby.

by The Legacy on Nov 9, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Robbo most of Fedor’s opponents are legit until they lose.
I want to see him in the UFC too but am happy to watch him fight at all.

by scissorfight on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor once again showed the World that he is exact, calculating, and a very solid champion.
rogers, over-all was all he said that he would be but could not use his game plan to notch a win over the Fabulous Fedor…..I respect Fedor’s humbleness and praise when he was interviewed post-fight. On the other hand, rogers just does not have what it takes to admit he was just out-classed. He never once gave Fedor any praise for beating roger’s ass. With an attitude like rogers is not going to win fans or support with his next fight….he was full of Jibe lies and just pure B.S…..Lost a whole lotta respect for this gorilla….

by Milo perez on Nov 9, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

come on werdum is never going to win…like you said when in shape is a boafied top 10 HW so does that mean he should fight the supposedly best fighter in the world because he might just sneaks into the top 10? Fedor couldnt sub rogers who has ZERO ground game so hows he goin to sub Silva? People talk like Fedor can sub any1 but who the best guy hes ever submitted…..mark coleman?

by Robbo on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i don’t think werdum can beat rogers he is a better pound for pound fighter but if Fedor couldn’t make Rogers tap I don’t think Werdum would have success and Werdum doesn’t have the KO power to be a threat either I would prefer to see AA go at it again over Werdum anyday.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO…so Fedor knocking people out is all of a sudden a reason to say “he can’t sub anyone”?

My God….you guys just don’t give up do you?

BTW….Fedor subbed Tim Silvia…..the same guy that Minatauro gets all the credit in the world for subbing.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously it’s like all his detractors have never seen him fight and just talk about what they hear. Fedor has been in trouble before, but he never f’s up to the point where he loses. He finds ways to win. Just like any great fighter does. As far as ducking morons saying he’s ducking the UFC, i got idiotic logic too, here it is: “All the UFC HWs are ducking him so they signed exclusive deals so that Dana can protect them. To be the greatest you have to beat the greatest. Since no one wants to leave zuffa and make a ton more money for a chance to beat him, they’re all afraid.” See how you guys sound?

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor got his azz kicked… period… he won.. yes… and I will give him that.. he probs has some of the biggest KO power of all time… but c’mon… your telling me Rogers wasn’t DOMINATING that fight? Your telling me you weren’t peeing your pants thinking your ‘Emperor’ was going to go down at the hands of a truly untested amateur.

Fedor showed he bleeds just like the rest of em.. and the biggest thing that Rogers showed me was that Lesnar would KILL Fedor… Lesar is bigger than Rogers, much stronger than Rogers and if Rogers was able to impose his will than Lesnar would SMASH Fedor… period… too bad Fedor is too worried about money/his rep to fight real competition in the UFC…

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what you guys seem to not know is fedor has had hard fights before he has bled before and if a fight where to go 5 hard rounds you would see the best of fedor, doesn’t matter if he was losing or looking bad at one time in the fight the bottom line is HE WINS.

by roy on Nov 9, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t be so sure about Brock being much bigger and stronger than Rogers, Brock is a big dude at 6’3" and Rogers is a big dude at 6’6. Just because Rogers doesn’t have a “gym physique” don’t think all that tyre lifting isn’t just as, or even more effective than doing bench presses 24/7. Hell I know swimmers who are stronger than the gym guys with ripped physique’s twice their size.

People keep saying Fedor hasn’t done this, hasn’t done that and has been hurt – then, in the same comment hang off Lesnar’s Nuts – someone who’s only had 5 fights, HAS been beat, was hurt by Randy’s punches and hasn’t KO’d anyone. Listen to yourselves FFS.

I will happily bet $1000 on the Fedor VS Lesnar fight if it happens any time in the next 3 years – Fedor to win by however the hell he wants, oh and he will probably get hurt – he’s a man, he can take it.

by Jimrod on Nov 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Jimrod. I love the UFC and hate the fact that Fedor will probably never fight in it but there is no doubt in my mind that Fedor is the greatest fighter in the world, even lb. for lb. Fedor looks unbeatable in my opinion. Brock would stand no chance if they fought today. Maybe in 2-3 years but not now.

by Adam T. on Nov 9, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s so obvious that a large majority of the people on here only watch HLs. Much easier to go to youtube than actually watching full fights and knowing the fighter.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigepsal-What fight were you watching? Normally, the guy who takes a nap is the one who is considered to have gotten his ass kicked. Fedor took a hard jab right off the bat that broke his nose and made him bleed. Other than that and 5 seconds of GnP, he controlled the first round. He scored more points on the feet by nearly dropping Rogers with that left hook and ragdolling Rogers around. He also worked some brief GnP on Rogers. Not to mention he had 3 sub attempts. The first round was a toss-up. I’ll concede that Rogers bloodied him up, but it’s not the first time Fedor’s looked like that, and it was obvious he wasn’t fazed. In the 2nd round Rogers didn’t nothing but get smashed. If a split(or even slightly won) round and then getting laid out is your idea of dominating a fight then you’re living in your own world. And WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING ROGERS HAS NO GROUND GAME?!?! We’ve seen him on the ground ONCE, against one of the greatest EVER on the ground in MMA, and he held his own. Why would that make anyone think he has no ground game? That makes ZERO sense.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jimrod… there is a huge difference between Rogers and Lesnar. Lesnar cuts to 265. Rogers is naturally about 265. And, the fact that Brock is only 6’3 and weighs the same as Rogers just shows you how dense the guy is. And for your argument about swimmers… ur an idiot… if you saw what Lesanr did to a ‘strong’ Mir then you would understand what i mean by strength… held the guy down by his neck and smashed his face in… that is pure strength…

not sure who you are talking about when you say ‘people keep saying Fedor hasn’t done this’… what i did say was Fedor got dominated… period… and there is no shame in being ‘hurt’ by Randy’s punches… randy has ‘hurt’ some of the best with his punches, including TKOing Belfort and Liddell… so again not sure where you are going with that…

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please explain how Fedor got dominated? You can’t be serious.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he took the worse of the two in the standup (before he KO’d Rogers) and he got GnP’d pretty bad as well. He def lost teh battle on the floor and until he ‘1 punch KO’d’ Rogers you have to admit Rogers was probably winning the stand up battle as well.

I’m not trying to take anything away from his win. I would never say it was a lucky punch, or that he ‘should’ have lost. He won, and he did what he has always done, which is not get his feathers ruffled and find a way to win. He’s the best outside the UFC, and MAYBE the best period. This debate can go on for hours and hours… bottom line is he didn’t sign with UFC… so we will probs never know… i have my opinion and you have yours… and we’re obvi not going to change each other’s minds… i think Brock is too big, fast and strong for Fedor… and you think Fedor is so well rounded he will find a way to win… we can both make decent logical arguments to support our opinions… i just really wish we could one day come on here and throw it in each other’s face after the fight really happened…

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can i ask who you scored the first round for?

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly probably would’ve scored the first round for Rogers 10-9, just based on damage inflicted. Like I said though, Fedor did rock Rogers harder on the feet, and he did toss him around a bit and get a takedown. He also worked a little GnP and threw a few sub attempts, so to me the first round was extremely close. No one got dominated in the first round, and Fedor obviously destroyed in the 2nd round so it doesn’t really matter anyway.

Sigepsal-Fedor ate one jab on the feet, that’s it. He rocked Rogers in the first round, and threw him around. I definitely think Fedor got the best of the standup all fight. And you’re right, we can argue all day about Brock and Fedor, but there’s no way that Brock is as fast/quick as Fedor. That one’s not a toss-up.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, the argument can go around forever, until it happens who knows.

Brock certainly wouldn’t be the biggest guy Fedor’s fought but he has size, speed and skill to a degree – for me he has to fight more top notch fighters before I’ll consider him anywhere near the best and I don’t know of many besides a fit Nog in the UFC who I’d consider “top notch”, the heavyweight division in MMA as a whole is pretty weak – a fact proved by the fact that the most dominant fighters it’s had have all been guys who could probably cut to 205 if they so desired (Randy, Nog, Fedor etc).

One fight I’d love to see would be Rogers V Lesnar, I think it’s far more balanced than either of them V Fedor as a fight – I’d love to see Rogers crack Lesnar on the chin to see how he takes it, and love to see Lesnar get Rogers on the mat with what looks to be a very solid ground game. :)

My comment about Swimmers IS relevant by the way – I was a very solid 185lb Kickboxer (only 5’7"!) and taught Karate, Tae Kwon Do & MMA too – the beefed up chest n’ bicep gym freaks were often much weaker than they looked while some of the skinny guys were far stronger – I wasn’t saying Brock is weak, I was saying don’t just think because Rogers isn’t ripped that he isn’t extremely strong – not many can deal with Fedor on the floor the way he did.

by Jimrod on Nov 9, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JimRod…Rogers would be on his back that whole fight so we wouldn’t get to see Lesnars ability to take a punch. When was the last time we seen Fedor on the mat? Are you sure he isn’t just getting weaker as he gets older as opposed to anything Rogers did right?
NNR…You know Rogers won the first round.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it doesn’t matter who won the first, it got finished in the second.it doesn’t matter what the fight looked like Fedor finished the fight. a win is a win

by FatAttack513 on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly FatAttack. Same people that said AA was winning the fight. Notice that Fedor’s “been in trouble” multiple times, BUT DOES NOT LOSE. And that’s all that matters. How someone can have more respect for Brock as a fighter or a man is beyond me.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers’ offense was that moment of gnp and that first jab that connected. The takedown and clinches were null on both sides with Rogers throwing a couple of knees but mainly pinning. When he landed in mount he was easily taken off and it shouldn’t really count seeing how he landed there on accident and couldnt maintain it. Fedor landed better more, had a three sub attempts with armbar being the only semi serious setup. Fedor scored meaningful takedowns that were followed with gnp. I can understand why people would go Rogers but i seriously felt that Fedor edged him. I was just curious because a lot of domination was being mentioned which i didn’t see from either side in the first.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He knocked a 265 pound gorilla who was 5 inches taller than him on his ass.
He won, who cares how. You don’t know his game plan.
Robbo’s a hater.

by scissorfight on Nov 9, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Free action as well next week for UFC 105 and then the following week 106 a sweet November for us MMA fans.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Strikeforce is bush league

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t school back in session today?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol – your too funny. Anyone who doesn’t like Strikeforce must ‘live in their parents basement’. My basement is probably bigger then your whole pad

The fights were garbage, there was too much techno, the announcers were junk (the one guy was the announcer that was screaming like a fool at the Broncos/Bengals game and his side kick put Kimbo Slice in the same sentence with Tiger Woods and Ali in the first Elite XC), there were no entrance songs (except for the bully who was dancing like a moron) and no one (outside of a couple die hard MMA fans) really cared who won or lost. I had ten people over and it ranged from casual fans to a couple interested fans and the reaction at the end was we wasted three hours of our time.

Not sure how Fedor is related to you, but there is a reason why he dodged the UFC – his talent isn’t there. He’s like Cro Cop, tons of hype but never produced in the UFC. The sames thing would happen to Fedor. He wouldn’t get destroyed by Brock because he wouldn’t get passed Cain V.

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“My basement is probably bigger then your whole pad”

I didn’t read past this statement, because statements like these = complete, internet, douchebag.

You aren’t the guy from yesterday with the “stripes on his belt” are you?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aren’t you the same grub that watches MMA alone while his wife reads? Buddy, do you work? You get so worked up on everyone’s opinion that you need to post on every topic and if you don’t agree with that person he lives with his parents. I would consider that a douche bag.

Stripes on his belt?

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not worked up.

“I’m better than you…have more money than you…own a bigger house…drive a faster car…my dad’s tougher than your dad…my penis is bigger….”

You = douchebag.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

…and what’s wrong with watching MMA alone while my wife reads?

I suppose I don’t really “fit the mold” for you?

Should I have to have a shaved head, too small of a tapout t-shirt on, arm band tattoos, and grunt like a gorilla?

Yes, I work. I own a small business…and on the side I create and sell oil paintings, as well as teach guitar lessons.

You?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where’d you go douchebag?

Flexing your arm band tattoo in the mirror?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he is thinkg of having the arm band go all the way around.

by roy on Nov 9, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Never said I was better – I was reacting to your comment about being in school or living in a basement.

I am a National Accounts Manager for a logistics company. I don’t have a shaved head or a tap out shirt. Sorry it took so long, I don’t have time to blog all day.

You should probably learn to listen to other people’s opinions, maybe you’ll learn something instead of responding that they aren’t a fan of mma or live in their parent’s basement because their opinion is different then yours.

Fedor dodges fights and isn’t the #1 HW in MMA. I’m not saying he’d lose to UFC talent, I’m saying because of him we will never know. If anything, Fedor robbed us fans from some great fights. I will not cheer for a chckensht who dodges fights. IMO, he would be the next Cro Cop to fight in the UFC.

BTW – I take back the wife comment as I am taking mine to UFC 106

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Too late, pal.

You = douche.

You can’t take anything back…it’s part of who you are now.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Intro…I think that last line was funny. I spent this weekend alone with my wife and we watched the fights on Saturday together. I hope that doesn’t make me a loser like that guy says. I prefer to watch the fights alone so I don’t have to explain anything to friends, plus I don’t drink so loud drunks when I am trying to hear the fights is annoying.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good reply on the Fedor talk. Only a douche like you has nothing to say. Looks like you fight with everyone on this site – your name appears over 50 times on this one subject…….lol

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are who who are, DFoy. Don’t let anyone tell you any different.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you OJR – Strikeforce reeks

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t care who says what, but I watched those fights and was on the edge of my seat (if not standing and shouting at the tv). I was by my self for the first time watching a great night of fights. I recommend watching fights alone for everyone – we all have friends that come over and end up ruining the mood by saying things like “that shit is fixed” or “he sucks” without knowing how skilled or how much of a legend they really are. I respect Strikeforce for what they are trying to do, but they need to get a new set of commentators. Makes you appreciate Rogan and his knowledge. Also Big John needs to be reffing the UFC again. He really is the best in the buisiness.

by Nokimono on Nov 9, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i like Strikeforce, but they will never make as much money as the UFC cause they can’t pull-off doing ppv’s every month. even if the did ppv i don’t think people would watch it as much as the UFC. if you can’t get that money how are you gonna pay all these fighters, or have enough money to get other big names.

by FatAttack513 on Nov 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and I must say to those of you who don’t think Fedor is marketable to the general public….

My wife can’t stand MMA and was on the couch beside me, reading her book, while I was watching the event. She didn’t look at the television once during the whole show….until Fedor got bloodied up by Rogers. By the time Fedor KO’d Bret…. she was out of her chair. After the fight I found myself answering 20 questions, starting with "who is that guy"?

Take it for what you think it’s worth, but Fedor is marketable.

Some of you seem to look at this CBS thing through "hardcore fan" glasses…you need to take them off when looking at this deal. We hardcore fans will know an event is coming ahead of time and revolve our schedule around the event. The "casual fan" doesn’t do that. The casual fan will stop at an MMA event when flipping through the channels, but only if the production level, and/or entertainment value seems up to snuff. These are the people that SF/CBS will succeed with….not us.

If you think about it….the UFC gets between 500,000 and 1 million viewers per PPV (can’t confirm the numbers, because the UFC doesn’t release them…but I think this is the general consensus). Since the numbers for their PPV’s seem to be pretty steady it is only reasonable to assume that the people purchasing the event are the same people…"hardcore fans". The reason I bring this up is to call into question the UFC’s "counter-programming" solution for competing with CBS and Strikeforce. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that the more "casual fans" that watch the SF event…..the more casual fans would think about buying a UFC PPV?

I know at first glance most of you would say that it makes no sense to let your competition make money when you can do something to at least stop some of it….I just know that there are two different outlooks on marketing to new customers through the media….
1) Do it as a stand-alone company without grouping yourself with other companies in the same category.
2) Advertise with other companies and reach a broader audience.

I’m not saying the UFC should join anyone else…I’m just thinking that they aren’t doing themselves any favours by counter-programming at this stage of the game. I mean, really…who watched the UFC re-run over the CBS show?…people who buy UFC PPV’s in the first place!!!!

JMHO

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Had fedor killed him the 1st minute then i don’t think there would have been much of hoopla. Less TV time, less excitement and more mystery. I think the comeback is what would give him a boost amongst casuals IMO.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Intro…If he is so marketable why has he been fighting for 10 years and no one has heard of him except the hardcores? GSP had fans left and right before he even got into the UFC. He isn’t marketable because…
A. He speaks a foreign language.
B. He is shaped like a pear.
C. He has never fought in the UFC.
D. Dude’s ugly, or plain looking to be nice.
E. When he isn’t fighting where the heck is he? Russia.
F. What are his sponsors? If I wanted to buy a Fedor approved product what would it be?

He has killed more promotions than signing Kimbo as your Headliner has.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh…but this is where you are confused.

All of those things you listed matter only to MMA fans…not channel flippers.

People want to be entertained, and don’t care who has sponsors, good looks, where he lives, where he trains….only you care about that.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Frickin Melvin Guillards marketable who gets subed every time it goes to the ground what does that say??But at least he fights the best and doesnt duck anybody in his weight class unlike some mma vaginas.

by The Legacy on Nov 9, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That write up reads like it’s written for simpletons. Is Obama the greatest president in the history of the universe? Or is he a secret muslim in league with Bin Laden and the terrorists?

__

Read some of the comments that get posted here. This place isn’t exactly a think-tank.

-JH

by quidnunc on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Holland.

What’s your take on Fedor status?

Never really get your input.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“Read some of the comments that get posted here. This place isn’t exactly a think-tank.

-JH

Way to put down the people who visit your site. You know us, the people who have created an industry for you to have a job in. How is that WAMMA adventure going for you Holland?? Not good? Too bad.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol…ouch.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing Fedor in person was amazing. I was surprised how much support he got from the crowd…Rogers actually received some boos.

I thought Fedor was finished when Rogers started landing the big shots on the ground. Definitely the most exciting fight of the night.

by tiger_style on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Robbo , STFU , You know deep in side that Fedor is number 1.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

you know deep inside he aint so STFU

by Robbo on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who is then?

Tell us, Robbo….if Fedor isn’t the #1 HW in the world….

who is?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tim Hague. Look at his record. He just got caught against Todd Duffee. The Thrashing Machine is P4P best.

I really dont know what people expect from Fedor. The man is part owner of a company just like Dana and he does what he has to do to make sure his company prospers. He has dominated a lot of good fighters when anyone else on the P4P list has been beat by someone less than them. He is a humble guy and carries himself well. His fights are entertaining. I know Fedor fans can be annoying calling him God and all but you guys that dont like him just seem to not like him because he is not in the UFC. I cant blame the guy, he wants to promote his company just like Dana does not want to share his. You guys say he wont give the fans what they want but last I checked no entertainer is obligated to do what his fans tell him to. He got fans being who he is and I doubt he sleeps any less at night if someone stops liking him. Most of these guys work too hard to let fans dictate the course of their careers. Hate him all you want but the man is damn good and I will watch him even if his next opponent is Frank Shamrock, which may be a good fight because Fedor cuts easily and those braces of his may be murderous.

by HOC on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he would say Brock is hahaha , Brock the WWF guy who fought 3 fights and won the heavyweight belt in the UFC , He even lost a fight against MIR got submitted haha.

Fedor never lost, Only via a cut because of the rules back than were diffrent.

Get over it Robbo , You know what im talking about.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

…your silence is deafening.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Robbo , You are hating on the best fighter in the world , Just admit it. HAHA , Looser

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He won’t even say who is better lmao….but, he isn’t the best.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it’s natural to have fans such as “robbo”.. someone’s gotta round up the bottom of the food chain.. so to speak.

if you don’t think fedor is the best, then you just do not follow mma. the ONLY HW who has the slightest chance of dethroning fedor is brock.. and i think brock would be put to sleep just like rogers. rogers can take hits.. brock… not so much.

by ralph on Nov 9, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can debate this all day long, but when a guy says “Fedor is ducking because he has no talent”….that’s when you realize that some people just can’t be helped.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how come any1 who doesnt think fedor is the best fighter in the world isnt a mma fan??? what have I said that isnt not true?

by Robbo on Nov 9, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Robbo – these are the same guys that would have put Cro Cop number one a couple years ago. There is a reason Fedor dodged the UFC. Cain V, Carwin, and Lesnar could take him and his potato vodka frame out. We’ll never know though because the fighter everyone supports was too chcknsht to fight top competition

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor dodged Dana.

Get over it.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought this was one of the best MMA events I have ever watched in my life PERIOD!!!!!!! Werdum/Silva was a war, Mayhem/Shields was a war, Sokuodju/Gegard was a vicious fight and well Fedor is the man. Honestly when he started getting hit by Brett I was thinking man Fedor is going to get KO’d, I dont think he is human, watching him win that fight after taking some of the shots he did WAS AMAZING. Im speachless. Fedor cant be beat, he was actually challenged in this fight. Rogers on the other hand probably made alot of guys in the HW division pretty nervous as well, he did great in that fight I gained some respect for him in there, he really brought it to Fedor MAN WHAT A FIGHT, WHAT A NIGHT OF FIGHTS, ONE OF THE BEST NIGHTS EVER. I wonder if Dana watched any of it, if so i bet you it made him do some thinking

by Spyder on Nov 9, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The commentary was second rate, the HD was stretched to wide angle, it was not the same quality as HD PPV. The fights were
good for sure, Rogers did very well and proved he is a credible HW. The UFC does have better fight cards, not the last few maybe and for sure they miss the mark too often but Saturday did not eclipse any UFC, K1 or even Dream at their best.
I am happy that we have Strikeforce because it will make sure Dana does step things up and try harder to keep what he has for now.

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“the HD was stretched to wide angle, it was not the same quality as HD PPV.”

Looked good on my set.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well maybe you need a better tv…lol

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Better not…brand effin’ new. 50" plasma.

I know technology moves fast, but I think I’m caught up.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plasma, scoff…you need a next gen LED dude…don’t worry things will pick up someday for ya, you just keep busy typing garbage on your computer all day and I’m sure the money will start ROLLING IN!!!

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t see what the advantage in LED vs. Plasma has to do with the broadcasting’s format syncro. You’re not cool for trying to be elitist fyi. Haha, scoff, my TV is better than yours, haha, scoff. What a douche.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

syncro,

I do okay for myself and can afford an LED, but why would I go out and buy something that just come onto the market when I can wait until they are twice as good and one tenth of the price? The only reason I could imagine myself getting one rigth now would be to keep up with the joneses….look how that turned out for all the morons who paid 10,000 for a plasma.

What you do for a living, syncro? You seem to be puffing your chest out just waiting for someone to ask…..douche.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No…he’s cool, because he can type how much great stuff he has….with no actual proof.

His dad is also tougher than our dads.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just giving you a hard time on the TV thing little fella. I’m not posturing either I just like picking on little internet bullies like you who talk a big game but that’s where it all ends, no common sense and no respect.
My Dad is pretty tough not strong or big but he does ok.

But as for me, ya I’m tougher than you OJR.

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lmao….

King of douchebags.

“I’m tougher than you”…..holy crap. I’ve never actually seen anyone type this so bluntly before…usually you idiots dance around it a little.

YOU DA KING!!!!!

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Robbo = douchery

by peazy on Nov 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Fedor and Brock fought it may be the reversal of what we saw.
I think it would be that Fedor would have a puncher’s chance.
Fedor could in no way deal with Brock’s strength or ground and pound, and btw I despise Brock, and I’ve been training martial arts since the 80’s and watching MMA since the first one.

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree… Fedor would have to try and KO Brock as he was coming in for a shot… otherwise Fedor would find himself in the same spot Mir did.. period… Brock is too big and too strong and too fast… period… and if you think otherwise your just fooling yourself and being a homer… I really don’t like Brock either… but you have to be honest with yourself when it comes to his abilities…

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brock is big and strong…but, whether he’s “too fast” is debatable.

Fedor is the fastest guy I’ve ever seen @ HW.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brock is WAY too fast for Fedor. He would take Fedor down without even trying… and after seeing him physically dominated by Rogers I don’t doubt that Brock would impose his strength on the ground and pound his face in.

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brock is WAY too fast for Fedor. He would take Fedor down without even trying… and after seeing him physically dominated by Rogers I don’t doubt that Brock would impose his strength on the ground and pound his face in.

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How was he “physically dominated”?

Please explain.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brock is not as fast as Fedor. I can’t believe that you actually think that. Did you see the portions of the fight where Fedor tossed Rogers around and took him down? That doesn’t look like getting physically dominated to me. Other than 5 seconds of GnP, how did Rogers use his size to impose his will? Brock has only pounded out ONE fighter on the ground, Mir. Fedor’s hips are too shifty and he’s too smart to get put in the positions Mir was in. Even when Rogers had Fedor against the cage, he was in his guard, which allowed Fedor to shift for the armbar and get out of it. Add to the fact it was his first fight in the cage and I think it’s pretty impressive. Fedor is too quick to be taken down like you seem to think he would be against Brock. FYI-Brock is NOT bigger than Rogers.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Edit for the trolls-Brock has only won one fight by taking the fighter down, controlling him on the ground, and pounding him out. He pounded Randy out on the ground after catching him behind the ear. He couldn’t control Randy on the ground before that. And we all saw what Fedor did to Herring on the ground, and what Brock did. Don’t think anyone questions who was more impressive.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he took rogers down? rogers isn’t an NCAA wrestler. when rogers wanted to put fedor up against the fence, he did. when they were on the ground rogers pretty much physically dominated him. fedor’s hips are too shifty? really, thats your argument? c’mon guy. come with good arguments and we’ll chat. until then take a nap.

and FYI Brock is DEF bigger than Rogers… again.. Brock CUTS to 265… Rogers weighed in at 263 which means he really didn’t cut much if at all… and Rogers is taller which means he is not as dense as Brock… when i say ‘big’ i mean physical stature, strength, overall size… if when you say ‘big’ you mean height.. then ur right… rogers is bigger.. but other than that… Brock is def bigger… if rogers was the same ‘size’ as Brock and was 6’3 then he would weight much more than 263… science!

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor only started truly KO’ing people in the last three fights. Before that he’s always been a submission/gnp fighter. A fight with lesnar would be about armbars from the bottom or reverse/gnp. Hell he might even go the Mur way and go for Leg locks. For a sambo artist we really haven’t seen him wrenching heels. I doubt Lesnar would stand with him. Fedor’s striking isn’t technical by any means but he counters well, and most importantly throws faster than most anyone else. Lesnar’s striking is still to mechanical and won’t have gone up to be on par there. It’s funny to me that people would give Nog a great chance at subbing Lesnar from the bottom but none to Fedor. Their grappling styles are different due to their respective arts but that doesn’t change their proficiency. In fact one can easily say that Fedor has been more successful in Sambo than Nog in BJJ.

by NameNotRequired on Nov 9, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigepsal-Rogers weighed in at 264, and it’s been noted that he cuts to that weight. Have you never seen someone cut an extra pound before? He’s an inch taller than Brock and weighs the same, I’d say he’s not smaller than Brock. Overall stature Rogers is bigger, strength and size are not the same thing, and overall size again Rogers is just as big. By your own criteria I would say Rogers is bigger. It doesn’t really matter. Fedor is too fast, too good on the feet, and leaps and bounds ahead on the ground for Lesnar to take him out right now. You say when Rogers wanted to put him against the fence he did. Perhaps because Fedor let him? Rogers did no damage to Fedor in the clinch. Yes, Fedor’s hips are too shifty. His Sambo background has given him incredible hip strength and the ability to reverse positions as well as anyone in the world. This would allow him to get out of any precarious positions Brock would be able to put him in, unlike Mir, who’s grappling skills are purely BJJ. You are pretty uneducated about MMA if you don’t think that’s worth noting in this conversation. What’s with the “take a nap” line? What does that even mean? The only thing you’ve brought to the discussion is that Brock is too big and WAY too fast for Fedor. Fedor has dealt with the size before, and is definitely faster than Brock. You’re the one that needs to come with some valid points.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha… ur post was good until you said ‘perhaps bc fedor let him’… hahaha… c’mon man… nevs heard someone in MMA say ‘my gameplan was to get smashed up against the fence… then go to the ground and be on bottom and get my face smashed a couple times…’… horrible argument guy.. take a nap!

having ‘shifty’ hips is important.. but for someone to say Brock can’t GnP Fedor bc of shifty hips is plain dumb… Rogers GnPed Fedor… how can you say Brock wouldnt’ do the same?

As stated earlier this is a dumb argument I should not have gotten involved in bc we both really have valid opinions and points (at least i think we both do)… to me Fedor is the champ/ best in the world… period.. mainly bc he hasn’t been beaten and he has in the past faced some fierce competition… but I also believe he is not fighting the best competition right now… its frustrating to me bc i think brock/fedor would be such a great fight…

and take a nap is my tagline son… u should come up with one… its fun! hahaha… and if i’m really smashing on someone.. i might even throw out ‘take a coma’… similar to what AA did in the air vs Fedor… :)

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dice he has fought no one close to Brocks combination of speed and strength to say that shows you have no idea who Fedor has even fought your just talking out your ass again?

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Phuck Head-reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit. Where did I write that Fedor has faced Brocks combination of speed and power? I didn’t. I said he’s faced someone Brock’s size. I also said that Fedor is much faster/quicker than Brock, because he is. I don’t think Brock would be able to take Fedor down into a dominant position because Fedor would use his Sambo to control the takedown. That is assuming that he even let’s Brock clinch with him in the first place. He could very well stay on the outside and throw bombs knowing he has the distinct advantage in the standup.

Sigepsal-At NO point did Fedor “get smashed up against the fence”. Obviously everyone thought Fedor had the huge advantage on the ground, so clinching with Rogers, against the fence or not, was probably intentional. It’s actually very simple strategy and shouldn’t be such a hard concept for you to wrap your mind around. Fedor’s hips and Sambo skills allow him to get out of bad positions. He got GnP by Rogers for about 5 seconds before HE SHIFTED HIS HIPS and went for the armbar, allowing him to get to a much better position. I believe these same techniques that he’s shown over and over again on the ground would be enough to keep him from getting pounded out by Brock. Why is that such a crazy idea to you? I’ll pass on a silly ass tagline too. “Take a nap”, really?

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m thinking Brocks wrestling will counter Fedors Sambo and then some I thought Barnett to would have a great chance because he matched up better than NOG against Fedor and even though he went one and one with NOG his style would be better than NOGs. As far as Fedor being faster maybe in the striking but on the feet I disagree 100%. And not to mention the reason Fedor got out is because Rogers wasn’t trying or didn’t know how to try and keep position on the ground wich is why Brock is better on the ground he would make sure he has control before he pounds and Fedor. Do you think Fedor will out muscle Brock?

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it may be silly… but u noticed it… ;)

by sigepsal on Nov 9, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fellas , Aight , Ima say this , Fedor would have a hard time getting Brock of him ( If the fight were taken to the ground. But , I dont think Fedor would let Brock sit and hit on him like Brock did with Mir.

Fedor would do the same think as he did with Rogers when Rogers were pounding on him.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’ll give Fedor credit for a short pudgey little dude he packs a punch. His punching technique is horrible though, real sloppy wide, winging punches. Guys like Carwin or Lesnar would eat him alive. Their so much more well rounded than anyone Fedor has fought in years. Their size, strength, punching power and wrestling ability would be too pmuch for someone with his stature and short reach. Even though he beat them, Cro Cop and Nog don’t have the size or well-rounded ground and stand-up Carwin and Lesnar have. And don’t think for a second Fedor and his management don’t realize this too. Why do you think they won’t fight in the ufc?

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude , Fedor has proved many times that size or muscles dont matter for him , He just goes in , Do his job and goes home.

No way Carwin or Brock wins over Fedor.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the problem.

For these guys…the guy who talks the most trash is the best…Fedor doesn’t do that, so they’ll never like him.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess there guys likes WWF type of fighter than lol

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Il Nino, yesterday you said Brock is the only one in the world to have a chance with Fedor. Now this? Pick a side and stay there, lol. Where you from?

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“Why do you think they won’t fight in the ufc?”

Politics. Or haven’t you read the 10,000 articles about the failed contract negotiations?

Get your head out of the sand, Dana….Brock “Kissing Disease” Lesnar is 4-1 against guys Fedor would murder.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lesnar has showed a willingness to fight anyone including Fedor with very little mma experience. He’s demonstrated he’s not afraid of anyone. Fedor is the one not willing to step up and fight anyone worth mentioning.

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why didn’t Brock sign with Affliction then? That’s where Fedor was when Brock entered MMA.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How did Lesnar demonstrate his willingness to fight Fedor? Was it when he signed with the promotion that had the #1 and #2 HW’s in the world? Oh no, that’s right, he went to the UFC didn’t he?

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Diceman,

Brock said that he’d fight Fedor on television.

So, it must be true…………..lmao.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guys, Brock had one fight in his life and asked Dana if he could try the sport out just to see if he could do it. Did you seriously expect him to run to Affliction and call out the greatest HW fighter of all time? That is kind of ridiculous. I am going to start taking up chess and if my first match isn’t against Fischer, I’m a chicken??

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To CLEAR THINGS UP about fighter SIZE.
Size doesn’t always equate to strength, and this is something that’s changing in MMA. Bigger fighters are showing up but not only this but these bigger fighters are showing that they are stronger than have ever been in the game, thanks to their genetics and training.
I seriously question whether we will see someone as strong and quick as Brock for a little while.
Fedor has not faced someone this strong and with his wrestling abilities. Fedor is hopefully even more technical than Mir and could/would maybe try a better to implement a better fight plan but I still have my doubts as to whether this would matter.
Fedor is a great fighter, but he may be not as good as the hype. He has heavy hands and is fast sure, but at least in this fight his hands looks a bit sloppy to me with his choice of punches not the best they could have been.
We just don’t know yet what he can do TODAY against the best of the rest of TODAY’s fighters since he doesn’t fight against who he should or could.
As we see more of him we will all get a better idea of what he can and cannot do.

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wake up dude….Fedor is the most skilled MMA fighter to ever walk the Earth.

You’re thinking that he isn’t “fighting against who he could or should”, and that is not logical…it’s stupid.

“The best of the rest” are not exlusively UFC property. Carwin, Brock, Cain, Overeem, Werdum, Bigfoot…..they are all interchangeable.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

…add Rogers to that list.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Fedor should try and get the #1 HW belt in MMA to it’s with out a doubt the most distingueshed belt anyone holding it is considered by many as the best in the world like it or not.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“Fedor is the most skilled MMA fighter to ever walk the Earth”

Ummm…based on what buddy?
Fedor has not and seems that he will not position himself to fight the best in the world…period.
I’ve seen most of his previous fights, I watch all the Japanese promotions and have seen the larger ones here with all what the world has to offer for HWs.
What could you possibly be using as fact that Fedor is the better than other top of their weight class fighters who have been fighting top competitors for the last several years CONSISTENTLY?

“OJR Is King of BS”
You’re obviously just a Fedor groupie probably held up in some Russian brothel tied to a computer with a AK on you forced to type these garbage statements.

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love how comments get deleted here suddenly?

“Fedor is the most skilled MMA fighter to ever walk the Earth”

Ummm…based on what buddy?
Fedor has not and seems that he will not position himself to fight the best in the world…period.
I’ve seen most of his previous fights, I watch all the Japanese promotions and have seen the larger ones here with all what the world has to offer for HWs.
What could you possibly be using as fact that Fedor is the better than other top of their weight class fighters who have been fighting top competitors for the last several years CONSISTENTLY?

Fedor hasn’t done anything any more impressive than any other top MMA fighters for several years.

“OJR Is King of BS”
You’re obviously just a Fedor groupie probably held up in some Russian brothel with a AK to your head forced to type these PRO-FEDOR garbage statements.

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and Frank Trigg, Joe Rogan, Randy Couture, BJ Penn, GSP, Anderson Silva, Cain Velasquez, and the majority of MMA pundits must all be holed-up with him since they have the same opinion. In fact, there must be some kind of Russian version of Waco going on over there with all of these people with a great deal more MMA knowledge than you all being held captive, forced to heap praise upon Fedor.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Fedor is the most skilled MMA fighter to ever walk the Earth"

“Ummm…based on what buddy?”

Well, for starters…..

A) Overwhelming longest #1 ranking in the history of the sport….
B) Almost every pro fighter in MMA says he is (regardless of who they work for)….
C) Longest and best winning percentage in history of the sport….
D) Common sense.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to take this time to nominate the new #1 King of Douchebags on this website….syncro.

Anyone second this motion?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If not Fedor….who is the best ever, syncro?

$20 says syncro avoids this question like the plague.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No one can beat the #1 ranked douche Introvert!! his man love over fedor takes it by a mile LOL.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OJR , Let this fools love Brock , It will only make them look bad , If they like a WWF guy who got beat by a SUB by Mir than let them lol.

We and the world knows that Fedor is The one and only.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why no answer for who you think #1 is?

Pathetic.

You guys hate all day, but can’t even back up your own words with one name.

Pathetic.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OJR , Let them fools love Brock , It will only make them look bad , If they like a WWF guy who got beat by a SUB by Mir than let them lol.

We and the world knows that Fedor is The one and only.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Overeem ;)

by Alpha Male on Nov 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alistair is impressive as of late, but its debatable how good his ground game is, or whether he would pass a drug test, with that said he made Cro Crop look like a sucky baby and showed brains and brute strength with everybody else so far. He may be one of the next best of all time to come.
Honestly, its hard to say who the best is EVER for me, since MMA is now evolving so fast, its hard to compare older fights or fighters with who’s doing exceptionally well now.
I believe some of the past best of the best like Bas or any of the top Pride guys were amazing in their prime but as with Wandy or Rampage the game has evolved faster than these guys have picked up new skills or tweaked what they have, making them predictable now, but look at their highlight reels or whole fights and HOLY SHIT they were great and if we could pluck them from the past….blah blah.
I don’t know right now who it is, but I bet most people’s answers will change in the next year and a half.

OJR any chance you’re about 5’5" and wear wife beaters during the day, Ed Hardy shirts at night and think you’re a little tougher than you are?
You want my Paypal account for the $20 or you not going to back that up either?

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not bad syncro, well said. Exept for the drug test ;), but in general…good post.

by Alpha Male on Nov 9, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t always read the posts on here too often, but I’m a bit confused here. Is it thought on this site that Carwin and Brock have technical or solid standup? Crocop is definitely washed up but years ago his standup was leaps and bounds above Carwin and/or Brock. Big Nog’s boxing is actually very solid, but occasionally his head movement can be lacking. I think both Carwin and Brock have heavy hands and are good wrestlers but that doesn’t make them well rounded. Fedor has winging punches but the reason he does well is that he counters well and he reads his opponent’s footwork to set up his own timing. He did that on that finish of Rogers.

by DW on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Robbo…

who is #1 then?

Answer.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

this fight was awesome! classic fedor! i dont see how any1 cud knock fedor for his performance on sat! U guys amaze the s#it outta me. Y aren’t U guys ripping on brock for fighting carwin? carwin is a white version bret rogers am i wrong?so how is brock fighting top competition & fedor isn’t? GTFO. Any1 who wasn’t impressed is just a brock or ufc c*ck s#cker that wud rather see a wrestling match!

by d*locc on Nov 9, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+100

Funny how Fedor knocking someone out is somehow a strike against Fedor, but Brock backs out of a fight (twice) because of “kissing disease” with a guy with the same credentials as Rogers….and Brock’s a hero.

Only in America.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, kissing disease! I love it.

I’d be curious to see how Rogers would do against Brock. Honestly I think Brock would have more trouble with him than Fedor did.

by tiger_style on Nov 9, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor dont care about opponents , He is ready for what ever , White guy , Black guy Asian guy , Green guys , Blue guys , WHAT EVER.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d have to agree with that.

Haters are too quick to hate on Fedor for not ending the fight sooner, but the fact that Fedor was bloodied and beat up after the first round was credit to Rogers…people don’t seem to see that.

Rogers is a beast.

His post fight antics were a little discouraging, especially since I went on record saying he seemed like a respectful and decent guy, but to his credit…he showed up to win that fight, that’s for sure.

Maybe he can go to the UFC…they like the post fight antics and disrespectful interviews. Heck, they’ll probably give him an automatic title shot for being a dickhead….like they do for their other HW’s.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s a great fighter Intro some don’t think he’s best and some think he’s the best but obviously he is at very least one of the best fighters in the world. Really as a fan who f^ckin cares there is no proving anything 100% unless they actually fight each other so enjoy the fights he fights and enjoy all the other fights the he said she said is all BS in the end. There can’t be a undisputed #1 unless they fight and win against all the best and we will not see that so leave at that and everyone should just enjoy all the great fights to come there is no way you can win or lose a debate on who the best is it’s all opinion some well informed opinions and some plain old retarded opinions but none the less it’s all opinion including yours. I for one am sick of all the debating on who the best is it will never end unless the best fighters actually fight each other.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you should talk to Brock and find out when he’s gonna step up and fight Fedor in Strikeforce then.

Until then…Fedor = #1

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like i said thats your opinion but we all know you have a thing for Fedor so it’s a biased opinion to say the least maybe Fedor should step up and try and get the #1 belt in MMA today that WAMMA belt is a joke.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fedor is the belt, to beat him means more than any belt he is the true champ.

by roy on Nov 9, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor doesn’t need a belt.

Read every single MMA World Ranking on every single MMA site……Fedor = #1.

I suppose every single site and every single ranking is wrong, Puck Head?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You call the rankings wrong all the time unless it works out to your liking LOL fact is less and less fans are believing your boy is the #1 in the world that must hurt intro I know about your man crush on fedor so your opinion is blinded by love but for all of us not holding our dick in our hand when talking about Fedor use common sense a lot more when making opinions.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, when every single ranking holds the same fighter as #1 it’s pretty hard to deny. You won’t hear Intro trying to argue that Jake Shields is better than Anderson Silva. It’s safe to say that GSP, Silva, and Fedor are all hands down best in their class since every ranking system in the world has them there.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha….keep with the insults Puck Head…that’s all you’ve got.

How about throwing a name out there that is better than Fedor at HW?

Oh, that’s right…..there is nobody better than Fedor.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys caught what Rogan said about Fedor?

by Alpha Male on Nov 9, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What Rogan say?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There it is…
Mark my words: Alistair Overeem is going to give Fedor mad problems if they fightabout 4 hours ago from Tweetie
Reply
  
As for the fedor fight, I thought it was very interesting, but I thought Rogers hesitated, and I felt like Fedor got exposed a bitabout 5 hours ago from Tweetie

by Alpha Male on Nov 9, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m saying his not the undisputed #1 HW in the world many believe Brock can take him some believe carwin can take him some think NOG is improved more since there last fight and has a better chance hell few think Mir can take him and minus NOG of his list of wins most think all the fighters I just mentioned are better than anyone on Fedors win record like it or not his #1 ranking is disputed. I think he’s a great fighter but I think his record is inflated too he has more lower ranked opponents on his record than he does high ranked theres no denying that.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alistair will give anyone problems….I agree.

Fedor lost a round (arguably)……everyone does.

I seem to remember Travis Lutter mounting and punching Anderson Silva in the face.

Did Rogan “tweet” about how Lutter exposed Silva?

I’m guessing not.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Puck Head you personally may think Fedor isn’t the best in the world. But when a fighter is UNANIMOUSLY ranked #1 in the world, they are by definition, the undisputed top fighter in the world. Game over.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes you’re wrong Carwin was an all-American wrestler. Rogers was not. Fedor would not be able to keep or conttrol Carwin on the ground.

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Remeber ? Fedor is Sambo champion. Why wouldent he be able to control Carwin ?

He controled bigger guys than Carwin on the mat.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because Carwin is a UFC fighter….didn’t you see the promos?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because Carwin is too strong and powerful on top of the fact that he has a great ability to scramble on the ground and get back to his feet quickly. Just because you’re bigger dosen’t mean you’re better no doubt. Look at GSP he’s proof of that. But when you have the skill to go along with that size it makes a huge difference. This isn’t Hong Man Choi we’re talking about here boys.

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coleman’s wrestling and top game back in the day>>>>Carwin’s top game. Wrestling and GnP credentials aren’t even close. Didn’t seem to faze Fedor then, not sure why you think Carwin would fair so much better.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brock would destroy Coleman in a wrestling match Dice even in his prime randy couture has stated brock is the most dangerous wrestler in MMA today and was lucky to get out of his clutch when Brock had him. You take Barnetts wrestling and add more speed and more power and you might get better grasp on how good a wresler brock is. I’m pretty sure Brock would dominate Rogers on the ground and Fedor he would give a great deal of trouble to against Herring he played it to safe if he wasn’t so worried about making a mistake he could of easily finished that fight. Carwin would out power Coleman in his prime but your right could make some technical mistakes wetre Coleman might have a chance but very doubtfull not to mention carwin would destroy him in the stand up in his prime.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor couldn’t even control Rogers with no wrestling or jitz. Do you think he could control a wrestling champ?

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No I don’t either thats why Fedor is the disputed #1 HW fighter in the world as is Brock. And another thing intro always points out is the ranking boards isn’t it sad intro that Brock has fought just as many top five HW as Fedor in only five fights? Besides one fighter on Fedors list none of them are ranked or even considered better than Randy or Mir thats pretty sad for the supposed #1 HW to fight as many top five ranked opponents as a guy with only five fights under his belt isn’t it.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sorry what? So you’re saying that Fedor has only fought two fighters that were CURRENTLY ranked as top 5 fighters when he fought them? You may be even more dumb than I thought. And since you want to take Randy’s word as gold, what do you think about the fact that he thinks Fedor is the best fighter of all time>

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GSP never wrestled in his life. If College wrestling credentials meant anything….Josh Koscheck would be the UFC WW champion….in case you missed it, GSP threw him around like a bitch.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT CALL. For some reason, NCAA wrestling credentials are the end all, be all for ground game in some peoples minds. Aren’t Mark Coleman’s wrestling credentials >>> Carwin’s wrestling credentials anyways?

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The point is, Carwin CAN wrestle, Rogers CAN’T. HE has NO groundgame. That is the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The point is , Mark Coleman the GODFATHER OF GROUND AND POUND , Got pounded out by Fedor , NOG the same way , What makes you think Carwin would be giving Fedor a hard time on the mat ?

The way I see it , Carwin has hard punches and he would have a punchers chans just like Rogers.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The point is that you are missing the point, Rich.

GSP has no wrestling credentials and tooled Koscheck. Who’s to say Rogers wouldn’t tool Carwin? I understand Carwin has credentials……but, so did Koscheck.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We’ve seen Rogers on the ground once. That was against one of the best grapplers in MMA history. He held his own. It makes no sense to say he has NO ground game based on what we’ve seen.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

100% correct Diceman.

Saying Carwin (who has basically the same record as Rogers) is automatically the better grappler because he has wrestling credentials is dumb.

Someone explain to me how these College wrestling credentials are so important, anyway? How does anyone know if Carwin’s opponents in College were any good? Rogers gets bashed because of his MMA opponents, but all of a sudden Carwin is awesome because he beat some wrestlers in College that nobody has ever heard of?

pssst…please.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously he has some ground game but against fedor it was pure power that saved him if he was the same strength as Fedor he would of been tapping much earlier against Brock he would of been fatigued in one minute of grappling with brock almost guaranteed grappling with someone is one of the msot fatigueing aspects of MMA and sorry to say Brock would be a lot tougher to grapple in all phases.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And to OJR, yes GSP is an amazing wrestler despite not wrestling in college but he is definitely the exception to the rule. You typically don’t get very skilled at something without formal training. That’s just common sense. NCAA wrestling is the best venue to compete at amateur wrestling along with the olympic training center so yes to be an all american wrestler does in fact mean a lot. Matt Hughes was an all american wrestler and made a hall of fame career with that background. It is not the end all and be all but it is an excellent base for mma.

by Wes on Nov 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rampage wrestled in HS, but not in college. Just another example of another guy without the “wrestling credentials” that can hang with the best in the world in that department.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a great base for MMW…I agree.

But like I said…who are these guys that Carwin beat in College? Without that knowledge….it means shit.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL intro it proves he will at least be decent on the ground with knowlege and training in fighting for control as well it’s safe to assume like 99% of any other decent wrestler there endurance should be fairly decent.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does Rogers look like a phenomenal athlete to you? Don’t compare him to GSP, it makes no sense.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not a grat athlete by any means more of a offence of line or defence of tackle type athlete reminds of Riddick Bowe type athlete.

by Beaver on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m waiting, Robbo.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ima go this far and admit that Brock is stronger than Fedor , ( That I can admit )

But , Brocks stand up is no were near Fedors

Brocks ground skills is no were near Fedors

I can see Fedor knocking out brock in the first or second round , same as with Rogers.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Actually Fedor’s stand-up isn’t that great. He has good punching power but his technique is so sloppy, he throws wide winging punches and he is off balance a lot. Watch tapes of him when he punches he throws so hard he is off balance and nearly falls, just like Sat. nite when he tagged Rogers he fell forward after the punch. Nearly fell down. I would put my money on Lesnar 9 out of 10 times and do so with confidence.

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Couture rocked Lesnar with a punch…what makes you think Lesnar could eat one from Fedor?

Sloppy or not….it works.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedors style has worked against 31 guys , what makes you think it wont work against BROCK ?

Like OJR said , Couture rocked Lesner with a punch REMEMBER THAT ?

That means , Fedor would knock Brock out and send him back to his house were he likes to hunt animals or what ever he does.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He rocked him? Really? I guess I missed that. He cut him with a punch but NEVER “rocked” him. I saw Lesnar drop him with a glancing blow though.

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch it again, Rich….Couture rocked Brock.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just as Rogers rocked Fedor.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers did rock Fedor…what’s your point?

Rogers is a young behemoth….Couture is an over the hill 205 lb wrestler who rarely rocks anyone.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

People are so desperate that they dont know what to do or say , ( Im talking about the Fedor haters out there , Puck Head tell me something , When did Rogers rock Fedor ?

If you rewatch the fight you can see that Rogers only landed 3 punches , 1 wich was the Jab that cut Fedors nose , And the other 2 punches were when Rogers was over Fedor.

The rest of the punches went to Fedor , He stunned Rogers with a left , He threw a couple of punches that Rogers protected but some of them landed , And also , The knock out punch. There you go. Now go and cry on someone elses shoulder.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL intro a clean shot can stun anybody getting rocked is the wrong word but of coarse your going to make it sound better when defending your man.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the only thing that is going to beat fedor is his sloppy over hand right… now i am a fedor nut hugger, but i have noticed this a few times, when he throws that massive over hand right he only does it when he knows its more than likely gonna land or to help him find his range( first punch he missed and got a bloody nose) but after that first punch he tagged rogers a few times with it, but every time he really dropped his head like close to his waist so that he got as much power as poss when striking (hence whey the shot that put rogers out sounded like someone dropping a concrete slab) but some one with Andy’s muay thai could easily dodge that shot and maybe land a brutal knee….

as everyone says about fedor he uses that one tiny mistake and exposes it, i dont think any heavyweight in the ufc has the skill level or vision to see this one chink in his amour (there could be more but this is only way i can see)

and brock defo has not got a chance in hell,people go on about how strong he is, but has anyone seen him with a one punch knock out, even herring (who is a tough sob) lasted 15 mins after that punch, brock is strong, but he has developed the wrong muscles, once he works on his stand up alot more we may see him knocking out guys left and right cause he has got so much power behind him, but till then i would only give him a slim punchers chance

by CoN'r on Nov 9, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing with Fedor is his defence is awsome Rogers got a few good shots in but they were not full power shots on the ground he came close and Fedor managed to escape. As far as Brock he throws safe shots he doesn’t put everything he has into one shot on the ground they are short powerfull hammers that hurt no doubt but they are not bombs. brock can compete with any HW in the world right now wether you think he can win or lose he is a threat to anyone and is getting better every fight wich is scary because he is already argued as being the best HW on the planet if he keeps improving I think more will believe he is the best period.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Intro. All these guys keep calling you OJR, he is going to be mad about how your losing bet turned out for him.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol! My thought exactly jay.

by Alpha Male on Nov 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He uses his whole body when he punches , His power starts from his legs and goes all the way up to his fist , Thats why his body swings like that when his punches lands.

Brock would get KNOCKED OUT

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, let’s say he would knock Lesnar out. Problem is Fedor dosen’t have the balls to step up and take him on. And you can’t argue that. Well you can but you argument would be empty.

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

as much as some people used to say Fedor dont have the balls to fight in a cage , And look what happend

Look man , That kinda talk is not up to us , IF Fedor fights in UFC or not.

Fedors Boss and Dana should talk about this once again and maybe they come to a deal.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rich,

There are 10,000 articles about why Fedor is not in the UFC….go read them.

In fact, just watch that Dana interview where he saya “Fedor is not ducking”….maybe that will get your head out of the sand…but likely not.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

  1. reason is because M1 mainly Finklestein. #2 he doesn’t have to prove anything he makes enough now off his win over NOG 5 years ago.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wasnt there rumours of m1 approaching dethclutch and trying to arrange an unsanctioned sparring match so to say

by CoN'r on Nov 9, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rich is right. If Fedor had the balls to fight Brock he would do it. He dosen’t, so he won’t. It really comes down to be willing to prove your the best. Lesnar with only 5 fights said he wants to fight Fedor. You don’t hear Fedor saying that after 30 some fights, and you won’t. His management wants to keep padding his record with meaningless fights against lesser fighters. 3, 4 years ago Fedor was the man. Not anymore and the fact he won’t step up to the plate tells me he knows it too.

by Wes on Nov 9, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is the man untill someone beats him, ANd you know as much as I know that Fedor aint the type of guy who goes around and says I want to fight this guy and I want to fight that guy. If they makes this fight happen some day than I can promise you , Brock would get knocked out , Belive that.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheap promises sounds liek a typical Fedor fan all talk no proof.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is “the man” if it isn’t Fedor?

Still no answer puck….you chikinsh!t.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You should already know my opinion we had this debate how many times introvert. I know you can’t remember I’ll refresh your memory ……Fedor is not the undisputed #1 HW in the world many fans beleive Brock can beat him some feel Carwin can beat him some even feel Mir has a good shot as well does Santos and Cain. Personally I think Brock can beat him too. Thats my opinion is it right is it wrong I know your answer but you are a crazy Fedor Fanatic so don’t take this the wrong way but your opinion is blinded by passion intro anyone that even argues this guy is a better pound for pound fighter is stupid and the pound for pound best is stupid to begin with because it’s 100% opinion. In your mind wether the minority or majority he’s the best period but in many peaples mind maybe not the majority including myself he is not the best HW anymore and there are many reasons why so in the end argue all you want he at best is the disputed #1 HW in the world and your going to have to live with that fact whatever your opinion is.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No matter how the fight goes , Fedor always finds a way to win.

Look at the Mark Hunt fight , Mark tried to sub Fedor , But Fedor turned the table and submitted Mark.

Look at the Lindland fight , Lindland cut Fedor within the first couple of seconds , What did Fedor do ? He turned the table once again and submitted Lindland.

Like I said , This guy is like , OK HIT ME WITH EVERYTHING YOU GOT , ONCE THEY DO , His like OK , MY TURN, And of course , He wins it.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is the best by a long shot. The guy is absolutely amazing, as a person and as a fighter. The way he talks about other fighters, always paying them the utmost respect and downplaying his own and much superior fight achievements. I am as big a UFC and DW nuthugger as there is but I won’t be blind to realizing that Fedor is the greatest MMA fighter of all time and the best lb. for lb. fighter on the planet. As much as I hate to admit that the best lb. for lb. fighter is not in the UFC it is true. He would brutalize Lesnar or Carwin if they were to fight. Dana would be missing in action for a month afterwards. Unfortunately, I doubt we will ever see him in the Octagon.

by Adam T. on Nov 9, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Finally a diehard UFC fan with some common sense.

I thought guys like you went the way of the Dodo bird.

Good on ya.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah man. I’m stubborn but not stupid. I would give anything to see Fedor vs. Anderson Silva just to see Anderson in an absolute war. Not sure if he could withstand Fedor’s vicious assault but it would be fun to watch. More than likely Fedor would eat a few punches (damaging but not fight ending), get the fight to the ground and unleash some nasty GNP on Anderson. Whether or not that would be fight ending or not, who knows. I don’t think that Anderson could KO Fedor on the feet especially having to respect Fedor’s power so much.

by Adam T. on Nov 9, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers even admitted that Fedor’s looseness caught him off guard. Fedor came out and showed a complete lack of respect for Roger’s “feared standup”. A lot of people, especially Rogers and his camp, thought Fedor would be looking to take the fight to the ground right away. What a rude awakening he got. Fedor could beat him any way he wants to and I wasn’t impressed one bit with Rogers postfight interview. He better phucking pray he never gets a rematch with Fedor.

by Adam T. on Nov 9, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree , Rogers talk was disrespectful

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeap. The ghetto boy came out. Fedor was probably laughing his a** off inside. It’s so easy to say after the fact that you should have thrown your hands more. The only thing that would have happened if he would have is he would have been knocked out that much faster.
I feel sorry for Werdum and have no idea how there is any way possible that he can beat Fedor. When I think of them fighting the fight that comes to mind is Anderson Silva/Thales Leites. The only difference is that Fedor will follow Werdum to the ground and pound the nails in his coffin. Werdum is going to look bad when that fight ends.

by Adam T. on Nov 9, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree , The fight would look like ( When Fedor was pounding on NOG

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed about Rogers post-fight. I had liked Rogers attitude and demeanor leading up to the fight, but the way he acted afterward was disappointing. I’m sure he was still a little loopy, and it’s gotta be tough taking your first loss so hopefully he just got caught in the moment.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Rogers dropped the ball with his antics after the fight.

But, the man showed up to fight though…that much I’ll give him.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see it. Probably the greatest hw mma fight of all time. But I believe he dosen’t want any part of Lesnar. Too much risk.

by Wes on Nov 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s to funny Wes. Fedor would destroy Brock. No way would Lesnar be able to pound out Fedor on the ground. Fedor could win standing or on the ground. Lesnar would be in danger any where the fight went.

by Adam T. on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish Brock would quit dodging Fedor and go sign with Strikeforce.

by peazy on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

But, we’re wrong….the #1 HW in the world is supposed to chase around guys that are ranked below him with 4-1 records.

Only in America.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be foolish, 2nd rate organization with second rate fighters (there are about a dozen very good fighters) but like it or not, the ufc is the NFL of mma. That’s like saying Peyton Manning should go play in the Canadian league- it’s stupid.

by Wes on Nov 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No…it would be like saying Peyton should go play with the Cleveland Browns.

You’ll never get it will you?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black…

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One gripe on the production….TURN OFF THE DAMN MUSIC BETWEEN ROUNDS. Two guys slug it out for 5 minutes and go to their corners to hear some BS techno or whatever the hell they play. Kinda kills the mood.

Hell, they had the music playing for 10 seconds of one of the rounds in the Miller/Shields fight. I thought Miller was going to go into a dance off.

by tiger_style on Nov 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

HAHAH nice one

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol…I didn’t even notice.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ima even say this , GSP admited that Fedor is NUMBER 1

BJ Penn Admited Fedor is number 1

Frank Mir admited Fedor is number 1

Shogun Admited Fedor is number 1

Wanderlei Silva Admited Fedor is number 1

hmm Randy couture Admited Fedor is number 1

And all this guys are from the UFC.

Now what does that tell you ?

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So did…

Anderson Silva

and

Cain Valasquez

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

….but I’m sure all of these guys are included in the “uneducated Fedor fanboy” group along with us.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You may be head of the "uneducated Fedor fanboy" club. OJR.
I guess you missed my comment half way up.

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perfectly timed….douchebag.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

" carwin and lesnar would absolutely , positively destroy fedor’’ Well, you just proved that you are an absolute sheep with his mouth open following everyone around, dumb and ignorant. First off carwin wouldn’t beat him and i doubt lesnar would either. All lesnar has are his takedowns… you hit em in the face as hes rushing you.. knee him, kick him etc, use sambo to redistribute his weight then there you go. Fedor went for like 5 submissions and since rogers has weight he allowed him to get out of it. I was surprised by rogers being decent. Fedor’s first time in the cage he will be beyond ready next fight. Not too mention that fedor allowed him to mess up his nose early and had to deal with that throughout the fight, which would affect your breathing if lesnar or carwin or anyone else had a broken nose like that, i doubt they would still be able to push the fight like that, that is one of the main reasons fedor took at easy. Oh, and lets not forget rogers, 4 times was putting his fingers through the cage with a 40 pound weight advantage, that is sad, when McCarthy repeatedly told him not to, same goes with when he was hitting fedor in the back of the head, people are so desperate to beat this man, it’s sad and that is where he senses weakness and compensates for it. Werdum beat overeem with a kimura, neither of these fighters are that mentally strong to continue when things do not go their way. Werdum vs Silva, that was the worst fight of the night, neither really pushed the pace or took any chances, you stand around like that all day you are bound to get knocked out. Overeem, Lesnar, Cain and maybe dos santos are the only ones with a shot. 1 being a wuss roider, the next an ex roider, and cain and dos santos with potential. All in all, whatever fight it is, you can bet that fedor will be more developed than the others. The octagon is bigger too, more submissions =x

by kris on Nov 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I nominate syncro for the “King of douchebags”.

Anyone second this nomination?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No one can take it from Intro with out a doubt the pound for pound champion is introvert LOL.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who’s the #1 HW in the world Puck?

Please, enlighten us with this knowledge you have.

$20 says you’re too chickensh!t to even say a name….just like syncro.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I second that, Intro needs to go back to the shed with the rest of the tools

by Merlin on Nov 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m on that committee too, back to the shed OJR

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Youa already have that title.

by Rich on Nov 9, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you guys want to compare a WWF guy who only had like what ? 4 fights ? And lost 1 of them ?

To Fedor who won 31 fights and lost 1 fight via a cut , Than it can only mean one thing ( Lack of MMA experience )

I bet you , The people in here that says Brock is better than Fedor hasent followed MMA more than 6 month LOL

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don’t worry Il Nino….they don’t even have the balls to say any HW is better than Fedor.

I’ve asked them 20 times who is better than Fedor, and they do nothing but say why Fedor isn’t the best….no arguement for who is better though.

We can use all of the logic, stats, fight history, talent, rankings, etc… all day long to prove our point.

They have nothing to prove theirs.

That’s why they are too chickensh!t to give up a name.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I made a statement above go read it it hasn’t came up as of yet but it will as I had this debate with you how many times intro I find it silly to argue over and over so please wait about ten and it should come up under one of your comments. talk to you after your reply that one wich you always seem to avoid in the past.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The one were you called me a chickinlit

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I went back and read it. All you did was spin the “they have to fight first to know who the real #1 is”. WTF is that? There are rankings…I’m sure you’ve read them or know what they are. You still won’t answer the question. Why not?

It’s pretty simple. If you were to ask me who the best HW in the world is…I’d say “FEDOR”.

Your turn…..

Name goes here : ________ _________

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well?

Your answer is?

___________

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s there you called me the same name twice youl have to scroll up.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t even say a name….lmao.

I’ve never actually witnessed someone who is scared to type something before…..first for me.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s up there intro just go look i have a name and a reason do you know how to scroll up or what it’s the comment I put after you commented that I’m a chicken^hit

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Say the name puck.

Come on…you can do it.

Don’t be scared.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s easy think about it who holds the belt in a division with the #3,4,5,6 & 7th ranked HW in the world it’s disputable of coarse intro because he hasn’t beat the #2 ranked Fedor yet but he has faced just as tough competition as your man and only a hand full of fights.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In what ranking system other than your own is Fedor ranked #2?

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In any ranking system that judges a fighter by the quality of fights Dice LOL

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Still won’t say his name?

I go away for a couple hours and came back expecting you to have some balls, puck.

Guess not.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, but everyone I’ve seen has Fedor #1 because of that. So which ranking system has him #2? Your avoidance of the question really answers it for me though, NONE. Pathetic again.

by Diceman on Nov 9, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you rely on the boxing ranking system to determine who you think the best is or have you in the past Dice? Once in #1 it hard for any system to take someone out of #1 but the fact remains the fans hve a voice and are the ones that watch MMA so to the fans the majority is no longer that Fedor is clearly the best now the only thing thats pathetic is you use the ranking system as your life line with no intelligence to debate your reasoning if they print it Dice will believe it wow. We all know the rankings are hard to change but a large opinion of fans are and most seem a lot more educated than those defending a man that has not fought a top five opponent in over three years pathitic isn’t it Dice.

by Beaver on Nov 10, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Beaver….this is the only site that has so many Fedor haters.

There was a p4p poll on Sherdog a while back and over 75% of the results had Fedor #1.

This friggin’ site used to be called “UFC Mania”…hardly an un-biased place to claim fare.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 10, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I find it pretty amusing that everyone expects so much out of Fedor that even though he knocked Rogers out, he somehow takes heat for getting punched a couple times before doing so.

I seem to recall Travis Lutter mounting Anderson Silva and punching his face in until Lutter gassed from his terrible weight cut…..why didn’t anyone take a crap on Silva after he finished Lutter off?

Oh ya…because people expect more from Fedor, because he is on another level….that’s why.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb2sxo_fedor-vs-rogers-not-on-pay-per-view_sport

I just watched this fight again. I thought Rogers won the first round. Now that I’ve re-watched it…Rogers hit Fedor with that jab…and hit him 3 or for times from Fedor’s guard….other than that Fedor dominated the first round.

Even I need to stop expecting so much from him, I guess.

Hopefully mania let’s this link get posted.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OJR , Rogers dident win first round , Thats what I been saying all day long to other people.

Fedor won first round.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, I guess I just expected a perfect fight for Fedor and was blinded a little by my own bias.

Funny how that works sometimes.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Intro when are you gonna change your name back?

by Alpha Male on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One month sentence.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OJR is gonna be mad that everyone thinks you are him. When he comes on here he is going to get a lot of these new guys yelling at him. And maybe Il Nino following him around too.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only thing I follow is the truth. And you guys cant handle the truth.

You noobs thinks Brock is the best , You see his record ? its a LOL RECORD that he has.

Fact is that Fedor is the best , And he has beaten the best in there primes.

Even the UFC fighters are saying that Fedor is the best , What more do you want ?

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Fedor has a better record than Lesnar. Does that mean he’ll beat Lesnar? Not necessarily. The only way to find out is for Fedor to stop ducking the UFC. Until then, there’s nothing valuable that either side can say.

by prokstar on Nov 9, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He’s not ducking anything other than a shitty UFC contract.

Everyone knows this.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brock could have tried to get a fight with Fedor before signing a UFC contract, he didn’t. Not that he had the credentials for a championship fight anyway.

Fedor has beaten bigger opponents on more than one occasion, Brock has not. Brock also belongs in a SuperHW division, but Dana wants to give him every advantage that he can.

by KS on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“Brock also belongs in a SuperHW division, but Dana wants to give him every advantage that he can.”
That has to be one of the most retarded things anyone has ever posted. The UFC agreed to conform to the unified rules (and therefore a weight limit of 265lbs for HW) the year before Zuffa bough the UFC. So Dana convinced the SACs involved to make the weight limit 265lbs under the unified rules knowing that the next year Zuffa would buy the UFC and he knew that several years after that, Lesnar would be his golden boy and wouldn’t be able to cut to anything less than 265? Yeah, that makes sense. Of course he did all that 9 years ago just to make sure Lesnar would have an advantage now.

by prokstar on Nov 9, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers took a dive. just throwing it out there.

by elstiko on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol

It was just a matter of time.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with a few of the oppositions points:

The UFC contract is not what Fedor wants, but what does he do then? How can he be the best if he has not taken out at least the top few HWs who hold belts or would be considered a challenge to him or his style? How does he prove this?

Sure, Fedor is held to a very high level of expectation. Shouldn’t he be? Since so many think he is SO great shouldn’t we be shaking our heads at his easy disposal of fighters? I haven’t been so far.

To see Anderson take out Forrest or Franklin that made me shake my head and say wow, I have yet to in awe of Fedor.
That being said I do think he is a great fighter with a big heart and a respectable demeanor but I want to see his best against the best and I am afraid that day may never come.

OJR you missed my other comment and I still haven’t received my $20??? Are you ducking me too?

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Silva’s distruction of top five LHW and MW is amazing something that in lot of peaples minds puts him ahead of anyone on the pound for pound list Fedor had a fairly tough fight against the #9 HW Silva would destroy the #9 LHW and the #9 MW hell Silva has destroyed the #2 MW and two top five LHW!! Fedor has yet to finish a top five HW?

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AA…top 5
Tim….top 5
CC….top 5
Nog(X2)….top 5
Coleman…top 5

I could go on. If you can give me the name of a fighter who has beaten more top tier opponents than Fedor….then let’s here it.

Good luck with that.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed….the AA fight was as big as any and Fedor ended it with one punch……

by Robert(1) on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t give me a name eh puck?

Who has beaten more top tier HW’s than Fedor?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AA and Tim were not top fives when they were in the UFC and chapions they were barely a top five intro Coleman LOL who are you fooling LOL fact is he has NOG and CC thats it intro. Brock fought Randy when Randy was ranked by every board as a top five as well as Mir and Brock was able to finish a top five fighter something Fedor has yet to do.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor only has two top five HW on his list Coleman, AA and Tim were not top five when Fedor fought him hell Coleman never was a top five HW AA and Tim were barely top five when they had the belt Tim beat AA twice mainly because AA started focusing on boxing and Randy and Mir both beat Tim before he left the UFC so really Fedor has two top five fighters on his list both in the UFC unable to get the belt at least yet anyway pretty sad that Brock has as many top five wins on his record with only a hand full of fights and not only that he finished the fights Fedor has yet to finish a top five.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you take all the cans off Fedor’s record he is probably 10-0 just like Rogers. So I guess that was a fair fight on Saturday.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coleman was definately top 5 (probably 2 at one time)…so was Nog…so was AA when he fought Fedor…Tim was on some lists, not on others.

Where you getting this info from, because it sound slike you just atrted watching MMA when Brock fought his first fight.

You seriously didn’t know that Coleman was a top 5 guy? Seriously?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good point after you take away anyone below 20th ranked and all the LHW and MW fighters 10-0 sounds about right

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have nothing, kid.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL your full of it intro i found three sites and they were all the same heres Sherdogs during the time frame he fough Coleman and even when Tim and AA were champion they were not ton the top five on a lot of boards but Coleman never was a top little alone a top ten LOL find your facts your talking out your ass again intro LOL.
HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

  1. Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

3. Mirko Cro Cop

4. Josh Barnett

5. Randy Couture

6. Gabriel Gonzaga

7. Tim Sylvia

8. Andrei Arlovski

9. Fabricio Werdum

10. Aleksander Emelianenko

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Um….there is no date on that list.

Not exactly lawyer material are you, puck lol.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your a class act intro wow are your really debating that Coleman was a top five LMAO he had troubles beating Frye man LOL in his Prime he was decent but I don’t think he vever was a top ten and by the Sherdog list Puck pulled it looks confirmed wow know I know for sure you have very little MMA knowlege confirmed by Coleman being a top ten HW LMAO intro that takes the cake.

by Beaver on Nov 10, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Machida has beaten more top guys than fedor has
he’s a lhw , but look at some of the names on his resume a little more impressive than fedors

by TheDragon on Nov 10, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will say this , Rogers connected 3 or 4 clean punches. If you dont belive me than see the fight again.

1 . Rogers lands a jab that cuts Fedors nose.

2. Rogers throws 6 to 7 punches while his on top of Fedor , and only 2 of them landed clean.

1. Fedor on the other hand , Landed 1 big left that stunned Rogers

2. Than Fedor throws couple of punches that Rogers were defending but some of them landed ,

3. He took Rogers to the ground.

People seem to forget that because Fedor got a cut on his nose ( PLEASEEEEEEEEE )

Fedor always gets CUT , Watch the Lindland fight , watch the Crocop fight , same thing over there.

WE never said that Fedor never gets hit or thrown to the ground , ( Its not like he is THE PREDATOR ) But what we are saying is that HE ALWAYS FINDS A WAY TO WIN NO MATTER WHAT. Thats what makes him the best. Not to forget one more thing , He is a wonderful person.

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the wonderful person thing. Fedor is a very nice guy, that is why it is hard to say anything derogatory about him. Of course his fans are another thing.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NOG, Mir, Couture, Barnett, Overeem were all ranked higher than Tim or AA on almost every list when Fedor fought Tim and AA.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ahem…bullshit!!!!

And besides…Feodr beat Nog twice…tried to fight Randy until the UFC threatened to sue him (he would literally kill Randy)…Barnett got popped (I’m sure you’ll blame Fedor for that too)…and he will fight Overeem soon enough.

Brock is 2-1 against those guys…..and tapped to a f$ckin’ ankle lock!!!!! Seriously…who gets caught in a ankle lock anymore? HAAAA!!!!!!

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Talk is cheap intro and facts or fact he only faced two top fives and could finish them LOL truth hurts and it’s kinda of sad some believe he is the best pound for pound LOL.

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and by the way Overeem isn’t even ranked in the top tem anymore here is the rankings when he fought Coleman from MMA weekly

  1. Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

3. Mirko Cro Cop

4. Josh Barnett

5. Randy Couture

6. Gabriel Gonzaga

7. Tim Sylvia

8. Andrei Arlovski

9. Fabricio Werdum

10. Aleksander Emelianenko

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Puck…either link the list or STFU.

Dummy.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dummy! LOL don’t bother with intro I have not heard a grown man use the word dummy unless he was mentaly challenged Puck LMAO either that are a bad day at school wow intro is not helping Fedors case thats for sure LOL dummy?

by Beaver on Nov 10, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buddy – you have your own business, maybe you should spend some time on that and not whether people like Fedor or not. You really spent all day on this subject……lol

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I make a good living and have time to tool you on the computer…you think that’s a bad thing?

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone please google pictures of Sammy Sosa – he looks like Michael Jackson

by DFoy on Nov 9, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i saw them. I also heard the job opportunities keep piling in too.

by elstiko on Nov 9, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JAY

Only thing I follow is the truth. And you guys cant handle the truth.

You noobs thinks Brock is the best , You see his record ? its a LOL RECORD that he has.

Fact is that Fedor is the best , And he has beaten the best in there primes.

Even the UFC fighters are saying that Fedor is the best , What more do you want ?

Btw , OJR , Stop wasting your time bro , This people will only keep lying to themselfs , But deep inside they know who the best is:)

by Il Nino on Nov 9, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nino, where are you from? Disagreeing with Intro doesn’t make people noobs, it makes them a part of a majority.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OJR, what is it that you do for a living apart from heading up the local Glee Club and Western Campaign for Fedor Propaganda?

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If you’re referring to me…

Own my own small business
Sell original oil paintings
Teach guitar

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 9, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Too funny, I was trying to play guitar for the first time today.
I can’t seem to make chords sound right.
Traditional representational or other? You have a gallery?
What kind of small business?

Nice arguing with you today.

And, lastly, who would say is the second, third and forth best ever fighters of all time and are these different from the second, third and forth best PFP fighters of today?

Would like to hear what others think of this question as well

by syncro on Nov 9, 2009 6:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thats a hard 1 i would say majority ruling,some people may disagree but i think Couture should be considered on the p4p list beings tho he did make some serious noise at lhw and hw fighting guys a lot bigger than him.Plus he held and defended both titles several times.Think about it.

by The Legacy on Nov 9, 2009 7:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

P4P has nothing to do with past records and belts he has held. H.O.F. is probably what you are thinking of and he is in it.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another reason why SF is bush league: Not fitting all the fights in and not paying the fighters who got stiffed. Sponsors don’t pay fighters that don’t fight either. Poor guys got to see a free show but that’s it.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I love listening to all you Brock (UFC) lovers. Let me ask you all this question. Why is Brock ducking Fedor? Hell why are all the UFC HW’s ducking Fedor. Why does Fedor have to be in the UFC to fight Brock? If Dana wasn’t afraid of what might happen to his precious HW champion then he would get the fight set up no matter what Organization(s) the event was under.

by rydinlow on Nov 9, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Only a newb like yourself would have to ask that question.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Would you prefer all the HW fighters from the UFC go fight for SF? A company that can’t afford to pay as much, won’t be running in 3 years, holds a show every 2 or 3 months? They didn’t even have a for sure contender to fight Mousasi until 3 weeks before the event, that is without anyone backing out. They don’t advertise so nobody is going to know who you are which will cost you a ton of sponsors. Fighters go to the UFC for the brand recognition and knowing you will get paid what you were promised at the end of the night. Yeah, go sign up with SF, good idea.

by jay on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why does Dana care if Brock loses? He’s not even popular, if Fedor came to the UFC and won, Dana would be stoked and he would promote Fedor as the best HW in the world.

He doesn’t want to work with Strike Force because it would be giving huge exposure out a competitor that is much lower in stature.
They are a business and it would be a horrendously stupid business move.

That’s why Jay calls you a newb, because anyone with any insight should be able to see that.

by ShaiZ (Omg Shogun lost a close decision!) on Nov 10, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rydinlow,

Why even bother with these fools?

Their answers are all going to be “it doesn’t make sense politically for Dana to do it”……..basically the same reason it doesn’t make sense for Fedor to work for Dana…but, they hate Fedor and love Dana…so it’s okay for Dana to say “no”…but not Fedor. Even though it’s exact same reason.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 10, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t hate Fedor, he’s the best HW, possibly the best fighter in the world.

I don’t blame Dana for not signing Fedor if it involves an M1 co promotion, that’s ludicrous.

I don’t blame Finkelstien either, he’s a one trick pony, without Fedor they’ve got nothing, so why would he relinquish him without a huge gain?

Neither are working in Fedor’s interest, I wish he’d make the decision himself. The other people are self serving.

by ShaiZ on Nov 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the bashing of Fedor is outrageous.. whether he gets hurt or not he always finds a way to win. How could you say Carwin is a better fighter than Rogers because he is a more accomplished wrestler? Lets look at body of work as the criteria for judging as it should be. Rogers gave Fedor a good fight and has KO a Great FIghter (AA). Carwin has done neither. From looking at Carwins striking in the GOnzaga fight i can clearly tell you that Fedor would destroy him standing even worse than Rogers. Atleast Bret had some reach on his side. Jay you have too much of a UFC biased opinion to even have an intelligent MMa debate.

by zack on Nov 10, 2009 12:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

People forget that Rogers is a big tall strong dude though he doesnt have the ground skill yet, he is ultra strong no doubt about it.

by zack on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

A guy that beats everyone and has never been upset like Anderson Silva and GSP and even Brock Lesnar MUST BE THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. Fedor Beats the great fighters and the cans that other guys get caught by.

by zack on Nov 10, 2009 12:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He’s only beat two top five guys zack he’s a great fighter but it’s obvious he is not thought of by everybody as the best and you have some valid points as do those who beleive Silva is the best PfP or GSP and even Brock as the best HW. Think about it for the last 3 years Silva and GSP have been fighting top fives every fight and Fedor has only fought two in his whole career!

by Beaver on Nov 10, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But how many top 10 guys has he beaten. I don’t know the answer because I’m too busy to look but I’m guessing a lot. I agree I do want to see him fight more consistent top comp.
Just remember he was going to fight Barnett who was top 5. It wasn’t his fault that didn’t work out.

by scissorfight on Nov 10, 2009 7:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Travis Lutter and Patrick Cote were considered top 5 in your eyes, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

The same Travis Lutter that mounted Silva and punched his face in.

by OJR Is King (formerly Introvert) on Nov 10, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I had to pick I might go with GSP as the best fighter of all time, he has consistently fought top competition and has destroyed fighters considered to be amongst the best of all time like BJ and Hughes. Apart from 2 stumbles he has improved and impresses with every fight and made his opponents appear outclassed in their element.
Fedor is great but overhyped and can’t claim any of these things.

by syncro on Nov 10, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is God.

by peazy on Nov 10, 2009 8:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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