I was thnking the same thing during the fight…it was amazing what Miller did with his opportunities as few as they were. All Jake could do was throw the softest punches I have ever seen and then rest. His GnP was more like GnG…ground n grind.

yeah the triangle was the key. Sheilds could never hold Miller long enough to sink the choke cause Miller kept rolling out. The one time Sheilds tried the triangle, he could barely get his knee over the end of his toes. The ratio of Sheilds’ leg length to Miller’s abdominal girth seemed to make preclude Sheilds ability to get a good triangle locked in and control Miller.

Sure, why not? Perhaps if Miller had another 15 seconds… and his arms didn’t fatigue… and Shields did absolutely nothing to improve his position… and the stars were aligned… then MAYBE Miller might have subbed Shields.

Jake Shields is the WORST “good” fighter I can think of. At least Sherk has stand up and does something on the ground. If you’re not good at sub defense, he will submit you. But, Miller showed that if you can defend his subs, you can win.

Oh yeah, Nap Time for Shields. He was turning purple and was pretty wobly legged when he got up.

The simple answer is yes (most likely lol)

Jake wobbled back to his corner when he got up which means it was likely doing its job.

Now whether Jake could hold on long enough for Mayhem’s arms to get tired or escape somehow is another question but it looked pretty tight to me.

Either way, the guy is still a douche. Lay and Pray for the win!

10-15 more seconds??? how about 3 more seconds!! he was on his way out!!

Yeah, he was seconds away from the snooze button. I didn’t like the way the fight went much either, but Shields did win fair and square even if it wasn’t very exciting.

it was weird because miller didnt crank it hard until like 1-2 seconds before the bell and if he would have done it sooner shields would of been out before the round was over

Ceasar: thats what I was going to say.I am however confused as to weather the close fight ending submission was Mayhem’s skill, or Sheilds being lkazy cause he knew that the round was about to end. Either way, at least Mayhem was trying to end the fight! I thought it was a very entertaining fight because there was some sick grappling on display. However I hsate fighters that are DESPERATE to get the fight to the ground because their stand up is pathetic which is making me lose a lot of respect for sheilds. I love high level jits ground wars but at least be a good enough striker to where you can stand up for 2 minutes and wait for the right opportunity to take the floor to the ground instead of desperately shooting for takedowns cause you are scared to stand@!

Yeah… yeah… and Fedor almost lost… IF Rogers had done (fill in the blank)… C’mon, people. Almost, coulda, shoulda. Gets really boring. Miller lost. Shields won. This alternate reality stuff is silly.

john that post pretty much sums up Shields to a T. If he were to read one post to see what sort of grades he deserved for his career, I would hope that is the one.

I agree with Freddie. Its MIXED martial arts to all Jake’s defenders. Guys doesn’t have the skills to mix it up, so as a result he is boring to me. Not to take away from Jake’s ground skills, but Jason was taking a lot of risks to improve his position when he had the dominant position. A handful of Jake’s reversals were on account of that. Fight had its moments, but I wouldn’t re-watch it. A good match-up for Jakey would be Demian.

Damein is not a good match for anyone. In 12 fights he actually has better hands then Jake. A good fight for him would be a big strong wrestler like Fitch or Kos who actually have stand up. I would even love to see him against Dustin Hazlette or Alan Belcher…

i gotta agree with u stryker, if theres a stand up battle and no one gets finished then its just a fight, but if its a ground battle and no is finished then its lay n’ prey, some times they can’t just finish hes only human, even though i wanted mayhem to win..

Good to see someone being sensible here. Shields put on a clinic and Mayhem survived. Awesome fight for JJ fans.

Totally agree with you Stryker, there were lots of beautiful reversals and transitions. I enjoy watching Shields ability to control opponents with amazing wrestling/BJJ. MMA fans who dont want to see or dosent apperciate the grappling aspect of MMA should watch K1, thaiboxing or boxing. On topic, Jake shields would be put to sleep just a few more secound, but he wouldent have tapped out knowing how little time it was left.

This was not a JJ match, it was MMA. Someone should let Shields know that you can strike (not rabbit punch) while on the ground. As grappling goes, great match, as MMA goes, terrible.

You guys must watch some shitty BJJ clinics then….

i want to see some damage, call it whatever you want, bjj clinic, best grappling match ever, i dont really care, when both guys are standing at the end of a 5 round fight and neither one look like they were even in a fight, i could care less…

sorry, i DISAGREE! being a bjj lover i can honestly say i love technical ground battles..this not being one of them. jake sheilds bjj was so boring i wanted to change the channel. unagressive to say the least. lets have a submission finished! i mean honestly, he had millers back atleast 2-3 times per round and couldnt finish? wtf! its not like the only move available was a RNC..no armbar attempts…like 2 arm triangle attempts..not one ezekiel choke attempt..i must say when i seen the twister attempt i was getting pumped up but again false alarm..hate to bring it up but if someone like BJ, aoki, maia, or even stevenson gets your back or attepmts a sub they get that tap. this was a great bjj tournament style point-winning clinc…not an MMA bjj clinc..there are differences..

Exactly Freddy. While Sheilds may have put on a grappling clinic, this wasn’t a freaking grappling match. It is MMA. I am tired of listening to people defend these boring exhibitions. I can appreciate his skill set, but it is so one dimensional and safe. Does that make me a Kimbo Slice/Tank Abbott fan? I dont think so…but good point.

Great point. Jake was way too safe. He wasn’t risking his position for any reason. BTW, I’m a Kimbo fan.

I look at MMA in comparison to a real fight. That being said, if you do nothing to your opponent other than control how he lays on the ground, you’ve done nothing to stop that man from beating you back. I think had that fight continued, eventually Sheilds would have rolled into a position where Mayhem would have tko’d him on the ground or submitted him. Had the fight gone to the standing game Mayhem would have finished him there as well. Sheilds in no way puts his opponent in any danger, he lays on them and scores points. That may be all good by other fans and his record may be nice but that’s not what I watch MMA for. I don’t watch it to see people fight completely safe and lay a top another fighter for extended periods of time. There should be attempted finishes and transitions. That fight should have been stood up multiple times but it wasn’t, imo that was the worst fight on the card. In no way was there any skilled displayed by Shields other than his ability to lay on top of a man and rub his stomach with punches that a woman could take. Sure let him have another title fight but don’t waste time and money by putting it on the main card, put him on the under card. I pay to watch two guys fight one another and lay it all on the line. I also completely disagree that any fight on TUF has been good including the stand up fight your speaking of. When two fighters sit there and circle each other for half an hour or hug one another on the fence and do nothing with it, I get frustrated as well. Please save all the crap about me hating the ground game when my favorite fighter is Hughes for WW and Sherk for LW. Please let Shields into the UFC and you’ll see he was only fighting a man with limited ground game and TD defense. Let him fight Alves, Johnson, GSP, Fitch, Kos, Hughes and you’ll see he doesn’t belong at the top. I wasn’t even impressed with his win over Semtex. IMO Shields is a B class fighter and would have only made it in the WEC. He’ll beat other B class fighters but when it comes to the UFC he’ll never be more than a gate keeper.

No one wants to read your rant boi…

Freddy — Shields won. Get over it.

Stryker, don’t say things that aren’t true, everyone thought the MAtt Mittrione fight sucked(except Dana). CES, 1000% agree with that post. I hate when people say “If you didn’t like this fight you are not an MMA fan” Go F yourself, I watch MMA to be entertained, and like you I seriously contemplated turning the channel (the ratings show a lot of people did). He was never trying to end the fight or submit Miller. One would think that with the 200 times he obtained mount he could have thrown a punch or two. Boring fight for Shields as usual and he will stay over rated until he gets to the UFC. Fact is that he is a B fighter and it would be quicker to list the guys he could beat in the UFC than to list the guys who would destroy him. Anyone with decent TDD will knock him out 30 seconds into the first round. Plus he punches like a girl so he will never be a threat to knock anyone out.

Also Stryker and his clonies I found something you guys said interesting. You said it was exciting and you like a good ground fight, then the only points you could bring up about the fight being interesting is the stuff that MAyhem had done. We all like a good ground war, not a battle for positions all night. One of you said he was in control the whole time but just wasn’t able to finish off Mayhem, show me one time he tried!! He was outpointing him on the ground purposely and none of you guys have a problem with that??? What did he do to finish that fight?

I don’t think anyone is disputing that decision.

Shields definitely dominated it, the issue was he never attempted to finish at all in the fight.

Spending 90% of his time in a dominate position and never attempting to capitalize on it is not trying to win a fight, it’s trying not to lose, which never makes you many fans, as Tim Sylvia can attest too.

Isn’t keeping your opponent pressed against the cage while you do nothing for 8 minutes doing “something”? The more I think of it, the more I think Big John should have stood them up more. I’m a fan of the ground game, but Shields was doing nothing against the fence most of the time.

I agree, he should have stood/broke them up at a couple points there.
John’s penchant for ‘letting it ride’ certainly worked in Shields favour.

Shields was almost out in the 3rd.Saved by the buzzard.

DAvid Do you really think Urijah beat Brown? How? Cuz he stayed in the fight with a broken hand? Brown dominated that fight. He is just to big and strong for Faber.

Agree again CES, should have stood that fight up a couple times. Plus he should have started kicking Shields in the back of the head to get him to wake up during a few of those naps he was taking on Mayhems legs.