I did, and I still feel the same.

mousassi is untouchable until he fights hendo, that fight is hard to call. i can see hendo taking a decision but i can also see gegard being the first to knock hendo out… will see based on dans contract and where it ends up

to anyone with a brain in their heads, dont bother scrolling down to read comments, you wont find any intelligent posts, its filled with 17 yr old kids who live in their parents basement hating on fedor and strikeforce

Thanks speach police. Who says “hating” anyway. I don’t care who puts the fight on. Fedor looked okay and Rodgers looked like he probably could beat Kimbo Slice.

whats the matter pez did you run out of mountain dew code red? is that why youre on here crying about these fights? maybe youre parents grounded you from the tv so you didnt even watch the fights, just felt the need to vent? whats your address? ill send you over a box of razor blades, candles, and some bubble bath soap and you can just end it all, loser

It was a decent show. Moussasi was not impressive to me. Maybe he just didn’t respect sokoudjou’s striking but his chin was straight up in the air the whole fight and he gassed. He would get decapitated in the UFC. Fedor was Fedor but my hat goes off to Rogers. He put up a good fight but I think he got caught up in the Fedor hype and couldn’t pull the trigger.

Fedor has great KO power, but his boxing is very sloppy. He uses the Wandy combo: right hook, left hook, right hook, left hook, etc.

I do not think Rogers would take Fedor in a rematch for a few reasons, the only chance he had was surprising Fedor during Fedor’s feel out period. Secondly, He bitched about throwing more leather and what a joke that was. He landed 1 straight at the very beginning because Fedor was trying to come over the top but Bret’s reach was to much. After that, the next 2 times he tried to really throw he got rocked in the first round and in the second round Fedor had him times so well he knocked him out. Hat’s off to Brett though in that I did not think he would survive on the ground with Fedor. No doubt Bret would be Kimbo because as we saw Fedor is better on the ground than Fat Country and Bret got out of it. But, please everyone do not blow this night out of proportion, the fights were great, no taking that away from Strikeforce but they but a lot of their eggs in tonights basket and did not leave much left over for another basket.

brendan, down to the bottom of the page you 16 year old.

agree with you, Knowone, Mousasi ia a very solid fighter, but I haven’t seen anything to knock my socks off or make me think he would steam-roll over the UFC’s guys. People on here talk about him like he’s the second coming of Christ, but I thought he got lucky against Souza and he hasn’t looked dominant in any of the fights I’ve seen him in. He always manages to get the “W” but I’d like to see if he could do that against the UFC guys. I’d have to see him beat Hendo, Franklin, or even Wandy before I’d call him an elite-level fighter. Still didn’t hear any reason why that wasn’t a title fight tonight.

Anybody else???

good showing for Strikeforce, fights were pretty fun to watch even if they were predictable outcomes…

…and even though i had to watch them on a choppy, low def internet stream…

…but the announcing, commentary, interviews during fights and obscene amount of advertising (even cutting off the main events ring entrance and buildup! WTF) has to be improved if they want to compete.

Silva/Werdum wasnt as exciting as i expected but has revealed a little about Silvas standing outside the fringes of the top 15 as being correct. Neither deserve to be a title contender based on tonoghts performance.

Shields by lay and pray but he was out of his weightclass so cant blame him for resorting to clinging on Huggy Bear style. He was lucky, few more seconds of that choke and shields would have been snoring zzzzzzz Miller could have got the decision under Jap/Pride juges because he came so close to finishing it.

Gegard ended a gassed soko in the second as expected but was showed up a couple of times on the journey. Pretty much same with Fedor / Rogers. Rogers looked tired at the end of the 1st and came out sloppy with his timing and defense in the 2nd.

Fedor, Shields (at WW) and Gegard to the UFC please for some real competition… leave the rest to fight it out among themselves except maybe I would like to see rogers against the 2nd tier hws in the UFC – maybe against standup guys like Beuntello, Duffee, Barry, Hardonk, Cro Cop, Rothwell even Kongo or Dos Santos if he gets a couple of straight wins.

I won 100% of bets on this card, that has never happened to me with a ufc card and says something about the predictability of the matchups.

wrong jay. Brendan’s 15, and I’m 13. But we’re here on top. So whatcha gonna do about that?;)

Incorrect pez. Rogers showed he can take a punch(that left hook in first round), escape a submission, and ground and pound on top. The guy can fight. Its ridiculous that some of these blind UFC followers can’t look at a fight objectively without outrageous comments.

shonuff, you didn’t see his last fight? He is still really young. He looked a little over-confident tonight, but he is really talented. He doesn’t mind getting hit and he stalks his prey, what’s wrong with that? You said you’ve never seen him look good in a fight. He didn’t look good tonight? He finished Soko faster than Lyoto did he not?

Agreed Bob. I was more impressed with ROGERS tonight than I have been by anything I’ve seen out of Carwin. I would LOVE To see ROGERS vs LESNAR, Carwin, GONZAGA, KONGO. Those would all be sic fights! I hope Dana brings this guy over ASAP.

you cant use that thought process jay… he finished him faster, so he is better. if you use that, fedor didnt finish tim sylvia as quickly as… wait for it… Ray Mercer!!! is Mercer better than Fedor?

I didn’t say he never looked “good”, I said he never looked dominant or knocked my socks off. Also, Kang and Souza took him down like he was a paper cut-out doll, and Souza was totally schooling him before he got caught on the chin by a lucky upkick. (yes, I say “lucky” because Mousasi was throwing those kicks random and unaimed to keep Souza off him and Souza just accidentally stepped right into one.) I’d say his win over Babalu was the most impressive I’ve seen him. I’m just saying he needs to beat some elite-level fighters before I’ll consider him to be one.

With out a doubt one of the best 255+ fighters in MMA today his cardio is brutal though no were near Brocks and safe bet no were near Carwins even though it is usually one of the weaknesses of most big fighters. Even though we never seen Carwins ground game I’m sure he would have no problems handling Rogers on the ground at early in the fight Rogers would put up a struggle but Carwin would wear him down Brock would simply destroy him at this point and time.

I agree Shonuff, he hasn’t fought the top of the food chain yet and who knows what will happen when he does. But he has looked good and is an exciting prospect. I like his demeanor and his style.

come on now shonuff, I agree that Rogers did surprisingly well but and tose fights would be a great watch but Carwin has way better wrestling and gnp, if Fedor had taken a flurry of ground strikes from Shane on top, he would NOT be getting up.

Bretts strenghth and power looked great against the smaller, weaker Fedor but his technique is very limited, if he was fighting any of those UFC guys you listed he wouldnt have the same size/reach/strength advantage and would have to rely on his technique. Gonzaga, Carwin and Lesnar would own him – Kongo he might win 50/50

Beaver are you talking about Rogers? How can you compare his cardio with Carwin’s when neither of them have ever finished 2 rounds (Carwin’s never finished even one round). Who the heck knows anything about the stamina of either of these guys?

shonuff, Rogers gassed in the first round of this fight. That’s evidence enough for me.

Paniczoo, Gonzaga and Carwin are bigger than Fedor, but don’t have nearly Fedor’s level of GnP or Submission skills. IOW, Rogers wouldn’t have such a strenth advantage, but those guys wouldn’t be attacking with Fedor’s skill or experience, so I think it’d they’d be great fights. I think Rogers easily destroys Kongo on the ground if he doesn’t get caught on the way down.

So… i cleaned up on the bets today and im very tempted to put the lot on Randy Couture to win over Vera at UFC 105 (he is -120) – ANYONE GIVE ME A REASON NOT TO?

Age, recent fight results, hunger or need for the victory, the crap odds.

Jay, I just watched it again. I saw no evidence that Rogers was gassed. He looked tense, but not fatigued.

yeah but damn i just cant see how he loses to Vera. Nog couldnt finish Randy plus Lesnar and Vera are worlds apart. Their common opponent Sylvia was a dominant win for Randy and a lame ass loss for Vera – add to that Werdum was able to take down and mount Vera easy and that Brandon has shown a weakness in getting controlled against the cage and hasnt been finishing fights or been properly tested at lhw…. hmmmm Randy should be a heavy fave so the odds seem good to me.
You have a good point with the hunger.. but he did just get divorced so maybe he needs the money plus he hasnt needed to fight for a long time before but just seems to love it.

Im going to hold off until tomorrow – in what way can you see brandon winning it jay? i just cant picture it. Anyone?

Yeah, there are all kinds of variables in this fight. Way too close of a fight to know one way or the other. Both of these guys are having consistency problems, and you never know which version of each of them is going to show up. If I had to bet I would go with Vera just because I think Randy is done.

shonuff, you don’t think he slowed right down? That is why he was complaining about not throwing the leather enough. I think his activity just dropped after the first 4 minutes or so.

Paniczoo, ive been in the same situation for about the last 3 weeks. ive been researching and researching all vera and couture fights. ive been thinkin bout putting anywhere yp to 500$ on randy but arent really sure if i will. from my scouting ive noticed that vera seems to have a pretty active “elbow” guard, as in the jardine fight he would elbow jardines head at will and even cut him open, couture being bald as well will get the same thing done to him. however, at the same time wen krystoff fought vera i thought krystoff still had some chance to beat vera so in my eyes here i can argue that well if i think vera can lose to krystoff then FOR SURE he can lose to randy. it just becomes really hard when ur actually gonna bet quite a bit on this fight. i still think im gunna bet on randy, HOPING that his chin is still there cuz based on the nogueira fight it look like it was getting to chucks point. ill probably put 50$ on couture and 50$ on kang. what do u think about kang?

shonuff – i agree that gonzaga and carwin arent as well rounded skill wise as fedor but Carwin has better freestyle takedowns and top control than Fedor, he also has more power in his gnp than fedor,

 Gonzaga is an extremely skilled BJJ blackbelt, one of the best at hw and a former world bjj HW champ, considering the guys fedor has submitted (Sylvia, Hung Man Choi, Linland, Mark hunt, Mark Coleman etc.) have all made a habit of getting arm locked or choked out in mma fights and could hardly amount to a BJJ purple belt between them all, and that when fedor has faced bjj black belts (Arona and Nog) he has gone to decision and had his hardest fights I say Fedors submission skills are wildly overstated and Gonzaga is at a much higher level. Gonzaga is on a level where he can submit the best Heavyweight BJJ blackbelts in the world and has proved it in competition. Rolling with Maia regularly and having legendry hour long matches with Gracies without getting caught will do that for you.

i still suspect vera flakes under preassure and randy rises to the occasion. still very tempted to put a big bet on randy. dont know enogh about kang to back him, know enough about bisping to avoid betting against him, (he is happy to jab out a decision) especially on home turf.

Shonuff-Gegard’s belt wasn’t on the line, from what I understand, becuase he felt Sokodujo(sp?) was deservant or has done anything to deserve a title fight-Forgot where I heard that but it was a media source. That in mind I think that is a bit arrogant. He came into SF with a title shot(though his record is much better). I was finally impressed with Soku’s judo, this mid throw reversals were amazing, to be bad he has the ground game(top or bottom) of my carpet(even though my carpet is a little more competetive with the rug burns).

I think comparing Rogers gas tank to Carwins is crazy based on his fight with Fedor. Fighting Carwin has no where near the ramifications that fighting Fedor has. I am sure a big portion of his gassing was an adrenaline dump. When he fought Abongo he went late in to the second round and was not gassed at all. Fedors pace is much different then most HWs. If Gonzaga can stun Carwin and have him just about done, I believe Rogers has even a bigger chance of the one bug punch. Also who has Carwin faced with such a monster chin that makes people think if he were on top of Fedor he would not have gotten up? I think the fighters that Rogers has fought in the past with the exception AA have better chins then the guys Carwin has fought. Everyone talks about Carwins wrestling. He was a div II wrestler which is good, but does not compare to the Elite Div I wrestlers and Carwin has yet to face a really good wrestler. I think Brock is going to teach everyone the major difference of Div I vs. Div II when they finally meet.
Rogers fought a great fight. He great control and composure off of his back where everyone thought he was going to lose the fight. He swept, locked in the leg to avoid the pass, had plenty of hip movement vs a ground wizard. I wish he had been a little more confident with the hands still. That is his bread and butter and he was plenty gun shy. I think this fight solidifies Rogers as a legit fighter and takes Fedor out of the fighting the washed up and sideshow freaks of his past.

I hate LnP as much as anyone, but what Shields did was NOT lay n pray. LnP involves sitting in full guard and hugging to mkae sure the other guy can’t get up. Shields was passing to dominant positions at will and using ground and pound and trying to work for subs. He can’t help that he hits like a lady, and Miller did a good job defending and reversing, but Shields was always able to retake dominant positions on him.

Once again, Fedor does what Fedor do!

What an entertaining night of fights! and very profitable night for a savy mma gambler like myself!

Props to Grim or proving what I have been saying all along, that he is a legit top Prospect. The man can be competitive against any fighter in the world. He is a tough dude, Only bad fights for him are against big strong wrestlers like Brock who can put him on his back and keep him there. Fedor is amazing. Last night was vintage Fedor…FINDING A WAY TO WIN at all costs! I dont think anyone can deny that last night is up there with Hendo/Bisping for Ko of the year…MY GOD! Its looked and sounded like Fedor slapped Grim with a Brick across his face! Amazing and perfectly timed KO! Seeing Fedor just throw grim to the ground was very scary site…How focking strong is Fedor? Great Heavyweight fight. Very entertaining. Dana was definitely not pleased last night!

Baby Fedor is amazing. He is becoming Fedor’s clone. He has been able to mimick Fedor’s NO EMOTION approach and stay calm, and relaxed…He has even started holding his hands just like Fedor and mimicking his stances. Props to SOKO who was GAME LAST NIGHT!, but Gegard is just AMAZING. Another very entertaining fight!

I have been telling you guys not to sleep on Werdum and that he is a legit top fighter. That was a hard fought fight and Silva proved that he could compete with top Heavyweights. THe thought of grim vs. Bigfoot is very exciting to me…and Werdum/Fedor is a fight that I have always wanted to see.

miller/sheilds was a very good fight if you enjoy High level grappling scrambles. sheilds needs some stand up if he wants to have any fans. I love ju jitsu so I was very entertained by that fight, but I hate Jits guys who suck standing so bad, that they cant spend 2 minutes standing with their opponent. Everytime I see jake fight, he not comfortable standing for even a second of the fight. I dont like that! Sheilds will lose that title as soon as he fights Jacre. How can Sheilds beat a guy with a better ground game then him, who is more athletic and wont be taken down at will? HE CANT! That title wont find its home until it ands around Jacre’s waiste. SF, already has a very respectable MW division with fighters like:
Lawler
Sheilds
Jacre
Mayhem
Lindland
Cung Le
Scott Smith
even Nick Diaz

But the BIG Fight that I am really waiting for in SF is MOusasi vs. Hendo! that fight will be amazing, but Gegards supperior Cardio would be the difference maker.

Amazing night. thanks to STRIKEFORCE. Dana definitely wasnt a happy man last night! UFC 105 wont come close to as good as SF was last night. For the 1st time its CLEAR that the UFC has some serious homegrown competition here in the USA,and SF is going anywhere. UFC wont be able to just counter-program them to death like they did to everyone else…Dana and the UFC are going to have to step their game up…not be as greedy with its card, and start stacking them, sign a big network deal. The winners in this battle will be us fans!

I am one of the biggest bisping fans on this site, but i think Kang is a good bet and will win a close decision.

Kang will outwrestle and outstrike bisping. The ocunt only looked dominant at MW because he was beating up Chainsaw McCarthy and Doomsday. Don’t even meniton the leben fight. Oh yea stylistically Vera should win the couture fight but he’s a choke artist much like Kang. It’s funny the way to beat couture, GSP said on Tatame is to keep him at the center of the cage. Also Nog kept catching him unlike all the one power shot hitters he’s fought all his careers because he threw four five punch combos. As good as Randy’s head movement might be, it’s not as great when he’s moving backwards. CA don’t know how this might affect your betting but Vera and the Nogs along with Anderson have all been training at Black House in Cali so strategy and training partners wise you couldn’t ask for more. It’s all about performing under that “Big fight” pressure.

john good post. I especially agree with the Shields part. Anyone with TD defense and half decent sweeps should kill him. They definitely won’t have to worry about his power seeing as how he has none at all. That shot that put Grim down was amazing! Do you wanna know what I liked best off all about last night? The audio, the ref was wearing a strong mic and you could actually hear the kicks and punches landing better, the UFC needs to do better in that area. Worse part of the night, the announcers and camera work. Mauro and lisping Shammy gotta go.

Agreed Fedor is sick….pulls out wins like no other

Jay, agreed about the shitty camera work.

Da Monkey, I hope you’re info is wrong, because if that’s the real reason it wasn’t a title fight, then I just became a Mousasi hater. I can’t stand arrogant pricks who have the gall to say, “Ok, I’ll fight the guy, but I won’t put my belt on the line cause I think I have the right to decide who is or isn’t worthy of it.” Soko is the 2nd best LHW in SF, so where would Mousasi get off saying Soko can fight the champion but doesn’t deserve the belt if he wins. Who the hell does he think he is? That’s some Anderson Silva Bullshit!

there was NO TIME in the cable time slot for another title fight. PERIOD! Thats why MOusasi’s title wasnt on the line! End of discussion!

it didn`t matter anyway it would not went that long and the belt would not of changed hands I think Strikeforce needs Hendo badly Strikeforce LHW divison is bad besides Mousasi.

John G, first it wasn’t on cable. Second, TKOs don’t take longer just because its a title fight. I’m still trying to figure out how they stretched a 15 minute, a 25 minute, and two 8 minute fights into 2 1/2 hrs on CBS!

Great card. Come on…..

so basically muscle dolphins MO is to just bash anything not UFC, congratulations youve made yourself look like an child

It was a great card on paper, but was about average in the end. That happens in the UFC too. Some of the worst cards on paper end up having the best fights.

I agree with the commentating being below average. Frank Shamrock seemed to think two Japanese guys were fighting when he was talking about “Musashi” and “Sudoku” during the fight. Other than that it was a good card, just sad that this is basically it for Strikeforce as far as talent goes so we won’t see a card like this for another 4-6 months.

this whole thread makes me not even want to come back to this site… SO MANY TROLLS!! I’ll be at mmajunkie for a while now, at least their moderaters dont allow all this flaming!!! c’mon mania, this is ridiculous!!

Hehe. Yeah, Shamrock was rearanging Sokadjou’s name like one of those word scramble puzzles, pronouncing it differently every time. Sudoku, Sojuku, Sodjuko.

And I really think Mousasi needs to insist that when he’s in English-speaking countries they pronounce the second G in his name like an English “g” instead of an “h”. American fight fans aren’t likely to get excited about a fighter named, “Gay hard” and would be much more inclined to root for a “Gay-guard”

Anybody seen Kevin and his “smart money?” Heheheh.

hehehe

I like MMA and this was good MMA does strikeforce have the stable of fighters the UFC has, no, but I would be careful especially if Hendo jumps boat, that could start a trend. Remeber alot of the meaningful fighters came from Pride, so there is no reason that Dream which is the old Pride people wont produce good fighters and they co-promote wih strikeforce. Fedor is not overated, Rogers is not overated he is just young as a fighter. We all forget Emelianenko beat everybody in their prime, Cro Cop is not in his prime, Nogueria is not in his prime, Mir is a gatekeeper, Carwin and Velasquez would have fits with Rogers, Silva, Werdum, and Overeem, and Gonzaga already got beat by Werdum, and Dos Santos falls in the same category as Carwin and Velasquez.Kongo would loose to the 5 fighters Strikeforce has. Brock will outweigh Fedor which would make it a good fight besides that I dont think Brock would have much of a chance. I think Brock will have fits with Rogers or Silva what would happen if Brock cant take them down and in Silva’s case he might get submitted.So strikeforce is not that behind they just need to get a bigger stable. Also who doesnt look like a can compare to Fedor, and remember Lashley is still out there and the same way the UFC found Duffe Strikeforce could find some but then they would be cans if they fight Fedor. Remember the 4 or 5 fighters strikeforce has would match up good with any UFC heavyweight. How many UFC fighters match up good against Fedor?

Brock would take Silva and Rogers down and pound them out something fierce. Lashley is not talented at all, he will be on the SF shows to sell tickets. He won’t be fighting any top talent. The 4 or 5 SF fighters that you think would match up well against the UFC guys aren’t what you think they are. Silva vs. Werdum proved that last night.

Those were some very good fights last night. I thought they played out better than they would on paper. Definitely disagree with jay-Silva vs. Werdum showed that Strikeforce’s 5 top HW’s are legit. In fact, I think Overeem may be their 5th best fighter. Werdum, after nearly getting tko’d in the first round, showed improved standup. Silva is no slouch on the feet either. Silva proved he could hang on the ground with an all-world grappler. It was a back-and-forth fight and it was one of the best fights I’ve watched in a while.

Gegard-Sokoudjou was a better than many expected, with Soko really showing off some ridiculous hips. Of course Gegard was too much, as we all expected.

Shields-Mayhem was boring if you don’t like grappling. I would not describe what Shields did as LnP, as he was constantly working on improving position and sub attempts. Really that fight played out how most figured it would, with Shields wanting no part of the standup.

Fedor-Rogers was a very good fight IMO. Rogers really proved something to me. He really looked legit. I think he would be near the top of the UFC HW division. He most certainly didn’t look like a fish out of water, and like I said it was presumptive to assume he had no ground game. He worked out of Fedor’s sub attempts and even worked some brief GnP. He’s huge, and it’s hard to move him, but Fedor threw him around on the feet a few times. I was surprised to see he could throw him like that. In the end it was just Fedor doing what he does, winning. And damn he hits hard. People can say what they want about his technique standing, but he’s gone toe-to-toe with some very good strikers and won the battle each time.

great post diceman. TOtally agree

I was waiting for Silva to KO Werdum too. Why did he go on the ground with him? Werdum is a beast on the ground.

I too thought Shields looked horrible for all his vaunted BJJ skills he simply laid and prayed. What was up with holding miller against the cage on his butt and locking the leg. YEah is stopped miller from standing up but it also stopped any offense or sub attempts

^You do know that he crushed Nog twice, right? And he was never close to “biting the canvas”.

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Miller disappointed and was lazy? Really he was fighting one of the best submission wrestlers in the game. He was not lazy he conserved energy the first round and a half and I though he won the first 2 rounds personally. He had Shields almost asleep in the 3rd. Shields just played it huggy bear style and safe. Miller was never in danger at any point, continually change positions and tried to advance. There are not to many guys that can stop Shields ability to score the take down and keep him of their back in SF. I really would like to see him fight JAcare now. That would be a BJJ wonder. I think Cung Le’s strength and size advantage would make Shields pay on the way in for the take down.

Matt, go back to elementary school and learn how to write in complete sentences so the people can understand what the heck you’re trying to say. A little punctuation never hurt anyone.

Amen…finally somebody starting to make sense here.

And for those of you who didn’t like Mousasi’s performance or said he hasn’t looked dominant….try 27-2 with 25 stoppages. A higher percentage than Fedor.

The fact that both of these fighters can have moments in their fights where their opponents got the better of an exchange or perhaps got them down on the canvas means NOTHING. The end result is all that matters. I’ll restate it again. 27-2 with 25 stoppages. Nah…that’s not dominant and he’d get eaten up in the UFC….puullease dummies.

AMEN!!!

You didn’t watch the BJ fight or the Fitch fight or the Alves fight? He stood with all those guys and dominated.

Mir and Couture? Stay off the crack dude.

HAHAHA!! this guy is talking out of his ass…clearly he has no idea what he is saying. Couture and Mir would be easy fights…Lesnar would end up like Rogers tonight.

FEdor ducking? HAHAHHAHAAHAH YOU ARE A RETARD. since when has fedor ever said no to a fight? do you even know who he has beat. have you ever heard randy talk about fedor./ you dumb little kid. i mean since when does the best fighter have to challenge lower fighters to prove he is the best. those fighters need to chalenge him to prove themselves and to say he is ducking is just plain stupid.

HOW THE HELL CAN LESNAR BE A CHAMPION OF THE “GREAT UFC” when the fucking guy had only 5 fights or so??? Fedor has some amazing fights in his career and he beat the best of the best out there!!! Lesnar fought an old and washed up Couture…enought said.

guys dolphin and robert(1) are some of the worst posters on this site pay no attention to their UFC brainwashed comments.

FEDOR#1. A guy with enormous natural talent doesn’t need 30 fights and 3 killed promotions and a made up WAMMA belt to be good. He’s new to the sport, of course he hasn’t fought all the best in the world. He is at least trying to fight the best, unlike ducker…er sorry I mean Fedor.

Fedor is a great fighter with an amazing record, but he hasn’t faced that many truly great fighters.

frosnt. all Robert said is Fedor looks beatable. HE does, so why the problem with him?? Saying Mir has a chance is laughable, but he didn’t say that.

Mir is trash and Couture’s ass got taxed by Big Nog for three rounds. He doesn’t bring the size of Rogers nor the power. Lesnar should be feeling good after this fight but even there lesnar’s standup with slow to no head movement is still so mechanical that he would most likely get caught flush.

Fyodor ain’t no ducker duck-fuckers!

Shadow, what are you smokin? Fedor has NINE WINS OVER UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS (all were ranked TOP 5 when he beat them and he finished all of them but Nog), not to mention CroCop who was ranked TOP 3 when Fedor beat him. What “truly great fighters” has he not beaten? Couture and Barnett are the only heavyweights I can think of who could be called “greats”, that Fedor hasn’t already beaten??? I’m sure I’ll be adding Brock to that list soon. But that’s still a very short list.

I just think that if Fedor fought at 205, he would be facing much stiffer competition than he has in the past. The heavyweight division has always been one of the thinner divisions in mma, and is just now starting to get better. Honestly, I don’t think Fedor could beat Anderson at whatever weight they would fight at.

Great post Shadow.Anderson would piss on Fedor he’s no where near a technically sound on the Feet as him,Anderson eats guys with Fedors standup skills for breakfast brunch and lunch.Fedor would just be a midnight snack.Tell him Drop to 205 so we can feed him to Page or Lyoto.

Lol, I doubt Couture and Mir have a shot, first round victory for Fedor in both fights.

Rematch would be no different if anything Fedor knows that Rogers will be overly aggressive and wait for him to make a mistake and boom! Same result. Rogers is still raw and needs a lot more experience to have the MMA instincts of the greatest champions.

And by later rounds you mean the first minute of round 2? I’m overly optimistic but I enjoy the prospect of Fedor facing off with Overeem.

No chance in hell of a rematch. Fedor only has 2 fights left with Strikeforce. Werdum will be next, and then possibly Overeem. He will not face the same guy 2 times on a 3 fight contract.

Goatboy, you took the words right out of my mouth. I was just about to post the exact same words! I laughed out loud when Ironfist said “in the later rounds”. He must’ve been watching the fight on a bad stream that looped itself.

Frank Mir? He luckily beat an inexperienced Lesner and Nog at 50%, and some people still believe this makes him a legit top ranked heavyweight, keep dreaming. I said as did many others that he would get a severe beatdown against Lesner and I also this will start the begining of the end for him. Kongo is going to Al Turk him.

Agreed!!! I think they should give Overroids 3 months to pass a drug-screen and sign a title fight with Fedor and if he doesn’t pass and sign they should strip him of the title. TWO YEARS WITHOUT A SINGLE DEFENSE is a total disgrace. If Overoids won’t fight, Make Fedor/Werdum a title fight.

Who cares who has the SF title? The UFC title was just proven to be the only one that matters.

STRIKEFORCE cares! Having the consensus #1 as your Heavyweight Champion adds a lot of legitimacy to your organization, esp compared to an absentee champ who prefers to fight in every organization but yours.

Who is this Overoids guy? Do you mean Alisteroids Overeem?

What’s in a name? A roid by any other name would smell like a cheater.

Scott Coker: “Oh Overeem, Overeem, wherefore art thou Overeem?”

Brock would have been ko’s in the 1st round. Brock has never met a punch like fedor’s. Hopefully Rogers will get picked up by the UFC and beat the crap out of Brock.

Anyone who thinks Fedor got hurt or stunned in this fight is dreaming.

I’m not so sure. Brock was VERY cautious against Randy. I think he’ll be intimidated by “the Fedor mystique”…I’m not saying it will cost him the fight, but he won’t come in with the kind of confidence he had against Mir.

Based on what I saw tonight, I think ROGERS vs LESNAR would be a great fight. Rogers was much better on the ground than I expected against one of the best GnP & Submission guys in history. And with his size, I think he’d have a chance to weather the Lesnar storm and get back to his feet. We still don’t know if Lesnar has a chin.

Brock will be cautious but he won’t be intimidated. There is a difference between respect and intimidation. Respect means you pick your battles and work your gameplan. Intimidation means you don’t execute means you can’t pull the trigger due to fear

fedor was against the fence most of the first round and when he had rogers on the bottom it wasnt for long, rogers busted him up and landed some brutal gnp that im so surprised fedor survived. round is a toss up but i would have given it to rogers. fedor isn’t past his prime, he’s just fighting the next generation of hw’s and is starting to look alot normal, not to mention rogers is HUGE!!! and definately dwarfed fedor.

like you say – not paying for the fights diminishes the quality of the experience for sure

what we wanted to watch, the ring entrance and build up to the main event.
what we had to watch instead, some guy shouting about cheap furniture and enlarged prostates – sweet

SF cards aren’t all going to be free. This was their way of hooking people into paying for PPV’s. This is probably your first time watching SF so I will take er easy on ya. They are a PPV company and have held PPV’s already.

agree with u robert. who in their right mind would complain, seriously, you’d have to be out of your mind.

Rogers came in the best shape he’s ever been in, he impressed me in his defeat.

Rogers impressed me too, untill he openned his mouth after the fight. What the hell was he thinking?? Way to go and call someone out after he just knocked you out.

Yes, but Houston Alexander could KO most of the light heavyweights in the UFC and you don’t see him on top do you. Everyone who throws hard has a chance.

But the big difference is that Alexander has no ground game and cant get up, and Rogers showed he can he reversed Fedor and stood up once or twice if I remeber correctly so Rogers could give himself a chance of KO somebody and if takendown get up and do it again.

Dude… Mark Hunt, Kevin Randleman, Mark Coleman, Ricardo Arona and a whole bunch of others also reversed Fedor and/or got top control/back to their feet.
It actaully says more about Fedors lack of ability to hold big guys and good wrestlers down than it does about Brett rogers ground game.
In the ufc against Cain, Carwin or Brock – Rogers would hit the matt so hard and fast his head would spin, and these guys wouldn’t go for wild subs like fedor does, they would sit in his half guard and cave his skull in until his mohawk was on the inside.

He was 10-0 man, and he lost to the greatest fighter tonight. Rogers is still a very strong uprising fighter!! I would bet my money on him beating most of the ufc heavyweights…

I completely agree, Fedor would destroy Couture and it would not even be close, I don’t see how Mir stands a chance. The only close fight would be Brock, and that’s only because of his size.

Couture would handle Fedor on the ground,its a reason other than credibility that Couture wants to fight Fedor,becuz he knows he wont get caught in the hype being a legend himself and hed take Fedor down and beat the dog crap out of him.Fedor looked like a drunk guy in a bar fight against Rogers,let him come to the UFC…oh i forgot…hes smart enough not to.

Randy is one of my all-time favorites, but I never thought he could beat Fedor. I think he could hang with him on the ground and avoid getting subbed…UNTIL Fedor clocks him and scrambles his brains. Randy doesn’t have a glass jaw, but it isn’t iron either. I still think it’d be a very exciting fight. I’d also love to see Hendo vs Fedor. I think that’d be a war like Fedor/CroCop. But let’s face it, folks, Brock Lesnar is the only guy in the UFC, the only guy in the known universe, that has a reasonable chance of beating Fedor and that’s IF he has a great chin, which we still don’t know.

shonuff agree about the hendo/fedor fight.if hendo can keep it standing it is competitive.

The Legacy, all you talk about is fighters getting caught up in “the hype” or not getting caught up in “the hype.” i’m guessing if you fought mma your style would be listed as black belt in “not getting caught up in the hype.”

rogers didn’t stop thowing punches from the guard because he got caught up in the hype but because he almost got caught up in an armbar, which is a real thing and which fedor is excellent at.

I don’t know how you can’t be impressed with both rogers and fedor in such an amazing fight. you have to realize that fedor sometimes looks uncontrolled but he’s not, its just an amazing amount of explosive energy that throws into everything.

plus one of his greatest strengths are his transitions. maybe that’s what your mistaking for him looking like a drunk guy, because he can throw a barrage of punches and then go right into a throw, into ground and pound and then into a submission. it flows.

and i’m the biggest randy couture fan in the world, but i don’t think he could deal with fedor’s explosiveness, his killer instinct and that fact that he finds a way to hurt you from every position and angle.

sorry mr.bones but being as big of a legend as Fedor is,its very easy to get caught up in the “mystique” of his fame.Makes it hard to not pull the trigger next to fighting a no named guy.Ask Rogers and few of Fedors other opponents they’ll tell you.

Thank You Natural for stating that. I was thinking the same thing as I read that…Have you not noticed his ability to hold down Mir, Heath Herring, and evenutaly Couture. Not that Mir and Herring are great, but they do have great ability to stand back up against some of the best in biz. Couture I would say has a pretty decent chin. He took some big hits from Brock, Nog, and Chuck to name a few and fought through a lot of it. Maybe it is not an Iron chin like a Leban or a BJ but I would most certainly think it is a pretty good chin. Fedor mugged Rogers with that punch. He came up off of his feet.

Coutures chance against FEdor would come in his ability to make a game plan stick to it and experience. Couture has always had an amazing will and that could be the difference. He won’t get swallowed up in the moment either. Remember Nog beat him with super crips and clean boxing. Fedor does not have super clean boxing. Fedor punches like Wandy. Large looping overly winding punches. That could play in to Coutures game. I am not saying that Couture would win but Ithink he stands a great chance at winning or at least going the distance.

PEZ you are wasting your time replying to his stupid reply to your post….We could do this all night.

Who’s on first?

Don’t go there PW. What did you think of these fights?

Werdum-Big Noggin wasn’t great. Silva should have finished in the first, then started going to the ground in the later rounds instead of forcing Werdum to stand.

Mousasi was not exceptionally impressive, but he did what was needed to get the stoppage. Sokoudjo needs to learn a skill other than judo tossing someone. It does no good if you can’t follow up.

I thought Shields-Mayhem was really fun to watch and not at all LnP as some people on here are saying. Lots of transitions and reversals, etc., as opposed to Guida sitting in full guard and not moving. Shields hits like a bitch and missed some opportunities to inflict damage, but he looked good.

Rogers really impressed me with his first round. He did a lot of damage to Fedor and won the round pretty decisively. Avoided the really hard shots and escaped an arm bar attempt. Then he got Fedor’ed.

My thought exactly. If Shields would have done anything with his 700 dominant positions I wouldn’t have minded that fight. Just seemed like a roll to me. I loved the Audio last night, that Fedor knock out sounded like a space shuttle take off. Good fights over all, just gotta get rid of the commentators.

If you guys liked that grappling match (I did too), check out Sakuraba vs Carlos Newton…IMO that was the most exciting grappling battle in MMA history!

so i guess the rogers mount/ground and pound never happened then?

Fedor was cut and got his nose broken in the first round. He also ate some good GNP. An attempt at an armbar doesn’t win a round. Rogers definately won the first round, but it didn’t help him much.

Fedor won first round according to the refs, and that’s official.

Gleb you have no clue what you are talking about. Refs don’t score fights. I was born at night, but it wasn’t last night. If people still believe BJ won the first round of his first fight with GSP, then this one should be a no-brainer.

“so i guess the rogers mount/ground and pound never happened then?”

You’re right, it didn’t happen. Rogers never mounted Fedor. Watch the fight

Except when rogers was pounding fedors bloody face into the mat, you cant say fedor was never in trouble.

Luckily for Fedor Rogers fatigued and over extended and fell on top of Fedor with his ass facing fedors face if his endurance was better he might of finished right there.

I don’t believe anyone thought Fedor won the first round. With what? Submission attempts? Are you guys serious? Just quit watching MMA now you are obviously wasting your time, since you haven’t learned a thing this whole time.

True. Fedor lost round 1. Rodgers almost finished the fight.

Jay dont even waste your time man.Fedors heavy handed but he was clearly in some deep doo doo when it went to the ground and Rogers was mashing his face into ground beef.

I guess Mir was never in trouble with Brock since he went for a submission but at least he ended the fight. Rogers caught Fedor flush with GnP Rogers was just to excited he was not that calm and started gassing or atleast I hope he was because their is no reason to have your hands that low.

How quickly we forget about some of the greatest submission fighters in the world and there ability to take punishment to set up a submission. Nog does it, Mir does it, Penn does it, Gracie did it, and yes Fedor does it. I do not think Fedor was in trouble during Rogers ground and pound at all. Did he take some good punches, yes. Any great submission fighter will allow for some punches to get through so they can go for the arm. Lets not forget that Rogers landed a jab that may have broke Fedors nose but Fedor walked right through it like it didn’t even phase him.

I think it is funny that some people think that attempted submissions can’t win you rounds. We know that isn’t entirely true. If that is all you do then yes. If you say all Fedor did in the first round was fail a few submission attempts then you better watch the fight again. I seem to remember Fedor dropping Rogers in the first round with a very similar punch that ended the fight. That sequence right there along with the submission attempts was enough to secure the first round for Fedor. The jab and the gnp are the only things that Rogers did the entire round. Fedor threw Rogers around as well. He made him look like he weighed 210 pounds.

You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. Fedor dropped Rogers in the first round? Sub attempts that aren’t anywhere near finishing the fight can win rounds? You’re a Fedor fan. You aren’t watching the fight, you are watching Fedor. He lost that first round whether you agree or not.

Sub attempts can win rounds when nothing else happens. When one guy beats another guy to a bloody mess, the sub attempts carry a little less weight. This is a fight. Damage inflicted is paramount.

Jay, this can work both ways I guess. You OBVIOUSLY don’t know what you are talking about. Fedor threw Grimm around like a little rag doll in the first round. He landed about 3 times as many punches and controlled all but 40 seconds of the first round. OBVIOUSLY you dislike MMA as a whole if you think that submission attempts aren’t scored very high. You are one of those guys who only looks at punches and kicks and not the big picture, OBVIOUSLY. Fedor got cut by one punch that no one even noticed until he started bleeding. That jab would have meant nothing if Fedor wouldn’t have gotten cut. If that was the case then all you could say is that he landed 5 good punches while he was on top for all of 10 seconds. Fedor controlled top position in the round much longer than Rogers. As I said before you need to watch the fight again. Wait first read the rules and then watch the fight again. It isn’t MMP (Mixed Martial Punching) its mixed martial arts. Where every aspect of the fight game is scored. Fedor hurt Rogers worse in the first round for sure.

MMAFAN, show me one sub attempt that was effective and I will agree. Sub attempts that don’t put the opponent in danger are not going to score points. He was never close to ending the fight with that weak arm bar and was tossed off of Grim every time he came near him. I won’t waste my time trying to explain it to you because you are obviously ignorant. If what you say is true, Miller would have won his decision last night because he attempted more subs than Shields, and Shields didn’t even hit Miller with any power once this fight. In conclusion Sub attempts and near subs are two totally different things.

That whole ridiculous post is a great example of why objective fans hate Fedor fans. Come back when you have seen a Fedor fight without staring at his ass the whole time.

LOL it was a very close fight and sub attemps get scored but so does getting out of a sub attempt and getting out of a dominate position Rogers scored very well and did more damage wich you have to score in Rogers favour as well Rogers controled Fedor better than Fedor controled Rogers when Fedor had control it wasn’t for very long good fight all in all enjoy it for what it was Fedor was going for the big shot and connected as he did against AA. Bisping might of been outscoring Hendo but Hendo like Fedor was going for the KO and both must of seen weakness in there opponents stand up D to take so many attempts. All in all it was a good close battle enjoy it.

I was much more impressed by Rogers’ sub escapes than by Fedor’s attempts.

Jay did I hit a nerve? Those last last two post were very intelligent. I can see that you are a true MMA fan. You are so objective when it comes to breaking down fights. All of your posts have been filled with concrete evidence that all Fedor did the entire round was attempt three submissions that did nothing for him. They didn’t help him improve position in any way shape or form. Although for some reason I remember fedor improving his position twice from those submission attempts but what do I know I was staring at fedors ass the entire fight.

Oh there is one other part in that first round that stands out. I think it had to do with fedor rocking Rogers with a left hook and then securing a take down but you are right that doesn’t score points. You say your objective and a true MMA fan then at least look at the round as a whole and not just 1 rather insignificant minute that Rogers did well.

what the hell is up with all this rematch talk I thought that was the dumbest post fight question ever especially after a convincing knock out win

no they will never rematch let him fight werdum or overeem if he can ever pass a drug test

Fedor is amazing

One thing that really pissed me off was fedor wanted to say one more thing in the post fight interview and the dumbas wouldnt give him the mic are you f***king kidding me if anyone desrves to get some more air time its fedor the guy has beaten everyone hes faced but instead were gann let rogers talk about how he could have won the fight CBS production blows

It’s a North American audience though. Taking 25 minutes to translate 4 questions was enough for me.

I don’t get it. I said smart money was betting on Fedor to win. So it worked out well.

Maybe it was someone else.

Could have swore it was you who said smart money was Rogers.

Me and Kevin were having that argument. He said that. I told him smart money is the sure bets, he said smart money was making bank off long shots.

Oh…my bad.

Sorry jay.

No problem, easy mix up.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Poor Kevin! Some bookie is laughing and wiping his ass with Kevin’s “smart” $100 right about now!

Not 5 years, but you are right. The HW division as a whole has always been relatively weak.

and he fought them after they had been discharged from the UFC. aka past their primes.

Truthful, Arlovski was on a 3 fight winning streak and Tim just fought for a title.

When Mir is focused on MMA he can fight with anyone in the world like him or not he should have no problem taking out kongo.

That’s actually a really good point. You’re right. I just let my personal opinion of Mir cloud the facts. (I’m not a huge Mir fan). I don’t think he deserved the shot at the interim belt, but since he won I guess he did.

there shouldn’t have BEEN an interim belt once the champ came back and was defending again. Randy should’ve defended against Nog first. Since he didn’t, and Nog was dying of the plague anyway, Nog should have waited and had 1st crack at Lesnar. Instead he was stupid and fought Mir first and the UFC was stupid and had an interim title match after the “interim” was over and the real belt had already changed hands. The whole thing was retarded, but Truthful you were partially right, you could call it a “lucky punch” by Mir because in fact it was a “Lucky Fight” for him. He got to fight the best HW in the UFC when Nog was sick as a dog, for a title that shouldn’t have existed to begin with!

“Owning someone all night in the stand-up, then knocking him out means it wasn’t a lucky punch.”

You’re totally right. It wasn’t a lucky punch. It was pure skill that Mir used to beat the crap out of a guy who was deathly ill.

So you think his win over soko proves that he is a premiere light heavyweight? Sorry, but I have to disagree there.

That’s just my opinion though, I’m not disagreeing with you on what Dana said…

Truthful, just remember this when he is the King. No wagon jumping. The guy is young and just getting experience. Sorry if he didn’t amaze you tonight, but did you see him losing or in trouble tonight? What didn’t you like? Because he didn’t knock his opponent out in the first round again?

jay, surely you’re not agreeing with Bob that GM could/should get an immediate title shot if he comes to UFC? I thought you just agreed with me earlier that he’s still got a lot to prove before he can call himself and elite fighter.

If he ever becomes king I will be sure to remember what I said. I’ll never be a fan. I was simply expressing my opinion. I just don’t think his mediocre performance over a former UFC fighter tonight proved anything. GSP was much more impressive at that age when he beat Trigg…

I agree Truthful, GSP is P4P better than Mousasi. GM is a good fighter, not the second coming of Christ.

shonuff, no. No immediate title fight. He is an exciting prospect nothing more. This was another warm up fight to see what he has. I was a little scared in this fight, he doesn’t seem to have a killers instinct or something. Way too calm. I want to see him against someone better than Soko before I decide where he stands. I do like him though, there’s something about him.

I don’t think that was a lucky punch. He’s done that too many times over too long a span for it to be lucky every time. I also think Brock is bigger, stronger, faster and better conditioned than Rogers, and a slow start against Brock like Fedor had last night would be enough for Brock to use his top game and gorilla strength to pound him out. Rogers powered out of a sub attempt, and Brock would too.

Agreed PW. Also, saying Rogers has no gas tank is the understatement of the year. After the flurry of punches from on top from Rogers, when Fedor escaped Rogers couldn’t even stand up he was so gassed. Words can’t describe how pathetic that is. That’s the kind of cardio TUF losers have.

He’s a great fighter no doubt about but there is doubting Brock is better than Rogers and Carwin, NOG, Mir as well I would put Santos and Cain around the same calibure at this point in time I’m sure Rogers will get better the biggest thing he needs to work on is his endurance he fatigued way to early and one of the most dangerous up and coming fighters he should of waited to fight fedor one thing is for sure Rogers will be a better fighter in his next fight and is one of the top fighters no shame in what he did to night as long as he learns from this fight he has potential to be one of the best in the world.

Maybe for a round or two, but in a 5 round fight Fedor would eventually prevail, just like he always does.

Best fighter Fedor has faced in some time not a top five though.

everyone round starts standing, im sure if fedor can do that to brett hes got a good chance of levelling brock – especially as he’s much faster

and he COULD sub off his back anyway, that armbar was closer than it looked and probably would’ve worked in a cage (they were all crumped up against the cage and he couldnt extend out to lock it in properly)

Sawn that arm bar was exactly as close as it looked…Not close at all. To a guy with no Jitz.

I seen the interview and he said could he never said I think rogers is going to knock him out he said if Fedor wasn’t careful he could be KO out and hoped not in such a pointless fight.

Case in Point. Way to win that debate Zack. Seriously though, you spew a lot of nonsense and I had to let you know.

I’ve never asked your mom how it tastes, even though I am with her every other Saturday.

Jimrod, the guy punched fedor in the eye and cut him open, the fight doctor stopped the fight and Fedor lost. It was a loss then and its still a loss now. You only prove how much in denial Fedor fans are in by trying to call it anything but a straight loss.

Stupid comment for many reasons.

What? You think Werdum is good? Why because you have a one fight memory? Silva gassed in the second round and they both looked horrible. I said Werdum has no stand-up, no TD’s and good Jitz, what don’t you agree with?

Hey Jay,maybe if some of these guys can get Fedors nuts from out of there mouths and push the lube aside during some of his recent fights then they would actually be able to comprehend what the hell “true mma fans” are trying to tell them.Fedors a good fighter now,he was even better back in 05 and down,that was about 5 or 6 years ago,so was Hughes,so was Chuck,so was Babalu,so was Tito,times have changed and newer and even better competition has manifested since those times.This competition is in the octagon of the greatest fighters in mma 2day the UFC a place he doesnt want to be mysteriously(we all really know why).So years ago he was one of the best in his division..possibly the best,(pound for pound never was)..rite now…hes just a has been.

I guess nobody should watch the next UFC than, because Vera is the headliner.

What does that tell you?

Everyone and their mother knows that is a horrible main event. I don’t think I have seen anyone say it wasn’t.

UFC 105 is a shitty card. I’m sure just about everyone feels that way. But sometimes you get lower quality cards when you put on 16-20 shows per year. UFC 105 and Evangelista vs. Gurgel are perfect examples of how every card can’t be a stellar card.

It’s free though so there should be no complaints and if it wasn’t I for one still buy it.