I wouldn’t say he’s done…hard to say that after watching beat the piss out of Randy so badly.

nog has had one bad fight when he was sick. i will beleave he is done when he can’t compete with the top guys in the world so far he has been able to do that.

Did you see the HH fight? The Timmay fight? HE IS DONE. Punch drunk. The way they use to train at Chute Boxe or whatever, is all wrong. Getting knocked out 5 times a day in training turned out to be a really bad idea. Man, Timmay knocked him silly repeatedly.

i think you must not have seen the hh fight, i hear that all the time go rewatch it so you know what your talking about, nog out boxed him the whole fight other than that kick to the head, one kick that rocked him and he recoverd and won. you act like he was losing to heath one kick thats it.in the tim fight he got rocked early still came back and had moments with his hands and pulled out the sub, classic nog fight go watch his fight with sap and crop cop same thing was he done than?

Tim did mess him up pretty bad in that fight.

Although I think Tim is one of the most underrated HW’s in the sport…so to say that Tim banging up Nog is a huge strike against Nog is a little too far, JMHO.

roy…I don’t need to rewatch the fight. He was losing that fight and would have lost if HH had of went in and finished him instead of letting him up. Nog is slow and has taken too many shots to the head. I like the guy, but as a fighter he is done. Do you seriously think he could beat Lesnar?

its not chute boxe dumba$$ its brazilian top team, why dont u think before u start typing?

lol jay, you really need to rewatch it he was never losing the fight except for when he got rocked by the kick. go ask anyone.

Brendan I see that you are reading at a grade 4 level. I said Chute Boxe or “whatever”. Unlike you I have a job and am currently there. I don’t have time to look it up, and I smoke entirely too much to remember stuff like that. Great way to add to the conversation though, tough guy.

jay, Im not going to bash you…just go re watch that fight!

Nog willl beat Brock!

F yeah he will john. Jay is still mad that Randy lost.

Jay, who you got for Vera/Couture?

nog’s victory against couture will be insinificant if vera tkos him, it will only confirm that randy is nowhere near the top, hell i can’t even see nog last against the likes of velasquez, dos santos & carwin, what more of a lesnar.

Alpha, I don’t like Captain Paycheck either. I didn’t care which way that fight went. I like Nog(the person) better between the two though. I just haven’t been impressed with Nog for the last couple of years and think Brock would utterly destroy him. Brock would hold him up against the cage and smash his face with short punches.

Nog himself said he didn’t feel good about his game and changed his training when he went into the fight against Randy he said he felt in the best shape he has in a long time and that he believes his striking and grappling are better than ever and it appeared to be but the question always remains he faced an old man how ligit was it we will find out against a young up and coming fighter that many believe is even better than Carwin and has some serious grappling ability. If you watch the Nog and Fedor fight Nog was looking only for a sub but did very well and lost by decision like most JJ artist do wich is why I believe he has changed his game a fedor use to be one of the only guy’s able to defend his JJ almost all the young up and coming fighters and current fighters have great JJ defence as well wich is why he hasn’t looked as good and needed to evolve his game that was too one dimensional.

Beaver, like you said, Nog says he is feeling better than ever and he is relatively young, so hopefully he gets back to Pride Nog. That being said, I doubt it will ever happen. He has taken too much punishment for a young guy. The more a person gets knocked out, the easier it is to do it again. Nog use to get knocked out daily because the team he trained with didn’t realize it was hurting his training more than helping it. I don’t know anyone who has said that Cain could be better than Shane, but I hope Nog lays a beating on Cain.
Alpha, Handy/vera is too close to call. Before the Lesnar/Randy fight I would have went with Randy over Vera. But ever since that fight Randy has finally looked his age. I would never ever count Captain Paycheck out of a fight. I think I would still have to go with Vera though. If it hits the ground I think Vera is good enough to keep from being hit too many times. On the feet Randy will look to use dirty boxing and keep him against the cage(obviously). But Vera and Randy are both so unpredictable as to which version of themselves will show up to fight, that no one can say for certain who will win this fight. I want Vera to win though.

I actually thought he was done before the Randy fight and thought he had no chance, but I was proven wrong. Getting hit by Brock and getting hit by Randy are too different things. Brock as with most of his opponents, I believe will be to big and powerful for him and will pound him out. As I have said many times, I am not a fan of Brocks for this reason, this advantage wrestling skills aside will win him 99% of his fights. I see him ending up like Mir, being more or less kept pinned to the ground like he was just a rag doll and being pounded out till the ref stops it. He looked too impressive against Randy to say that he is done, but I do not see him giving a gorilla like Brock any difficulties.

You haven’t seen any of his recent videos, eh?

I have. He’s a humble guy. So he answers questions about Lesnar when he’s asked about them. Which is probably about a dozen times a day. Big deal. He’s confident. Big deal. I would be too if I was a two-time football all-american, two time NCAA Division II National Runner-Up, and had an 11 and 0 professional Mixed Martial Arts record including a 3 and 0 record in the biggest fight promotion in the world. And to top it off I had two engineering degrees and held down a full-time job. I’d be a cocky SOB. I think he’s humble as hell.

Anderson, Lyoto, and Georges are legit champions…Crock isn’t.

Brock is the best HW in the UFC. Sounds pretty legit to me.

You can only make interim belts when Introvert believes the champ isn’t legit? Someone call Dana and let them know that Intro wants an interim belt made right away.

He might not of deserved the shot but there is no way that beating the champ and the interim champ isn’t legit.

I suppose if you feel that way.

The way I see it is that he delegitimizes the UFC HW title.

I couldn’t care less if they have an interim title or not. I’m just saying that I believe the UFC will have one, because they have a card to fill on Jan.2nd. Ticket sales and PPV buys are what the UFC are all about, and an interim title fight will boost both of those things.

LMAO your a clown OJR look at the Strikfarce HW champion when is the last time that belt was on the line and they are having the biggest show of Strikeforces history!? Talk about a belt that has no value are meaning one battle was fought over that farce of a belt LOL soon your boy Fedor could be holding the Farce HW champion belt LOL.

I dont mind interim title because title fights favor Nogueira. We all kknow that Nog doesnt really lose fights, HE JUST RUNS OUT OF TIME! lol

If anyone deserves to fight for an Interim title its nOgueira, and a title fight would favor him and also show us how much of a cardio Machine Cain really is.

They should just set up another 4 man tournament:

Nog vs. Cain
Brock vs. Carwin

Winners vs. Winners for undisputed title
Losers vs. LLosers

Because those are th fights I want to see booked in the hW division anyway…so Git-R-Done!

Puck head. It’s not OJR. It is Introvert. OJR would never say something so stupid.

You mean the #1 HW fighter in the world will be holding that belt. Say what you want about your hatred for anything not UFC, but when the #1 guy in the world holds a belt….that’s the only belt that matters.

I swear Puck Head is actually Dana White with the “Strikefarce” quotes. Are you actually Dana, or do you just not have the brain power to think of a good insult all on your own?

Fedor holds no belts. So all HW belts mean nothing?

“Fedor holds no belts. So all HW belts mean nothing?”

He holds no belts because of politics…nothing more. Fedor is #1….end of story.

real talk! Beating Fedor is much more prestigious than winning any organization’s heavyweight title. For crying out load, Captain Paycheck gave away his title because he thought fighting fedor was a bigger deal!

Anyone familiar with global mma, wouldnt dispute that!

Fedor doesn’t have to prove anything why go the hard way when there is a easy way that pays near as well? As far as belt that has meaning the UFC HW belt has been fought over more times than any belt in the world in front of more MMA fans than any other belt in the world. Talk all you want about who you think is the best but there is no denying what belt has more value and were the champions prove they are worthy.

I agree with Fedor being number one. He isn’t the champ anywhere because every organization he goes to folds. He is a promotion killer.

Fedor had every opportunity to come to the UFC WHILE BROCK WAS HOLDING THE BELT and chose not to. Brock beat the UFC champ (Randy) and the interim champ (Mir). Just because you don’t like Brock or the UFC doesn’t make Brock or his title illegtimate.

Puck Head … the only way the UFC belt has value is if the best fighter in the world holds it.

If BJ Penn walked away from the UFC (again) … would Diego Sanchez automatically be the most “prestigious” LW in the world because of some leather and fake gold?

Pw,

Politics.

100% politics.

Serious question here intro, who do u think top 5 hws are right now?

eagzy

1. Fedor
2. Barnett
3. Lesnar
4. Nogueira
5. Rogers

“the only way the UFC belt has value is if the best fighter in the world holds it”
Intro, maybe you should tell us who the best in the world is everyday and we won’t even need belts at all. None of the belts mean anything if Introvert doesn’t agree with it from now on.

I agree Fedor is a great fighter but he does not deserve to be called the number one fighter in the world as he himself has stated he needs to prove nothing and has done just that. Him and M1 are following what Managers and fighters have done in boxing and taking the safe road to riches the UFC there is no safe road you fight whoever is next in line and prove your status not protect by fighting less ranked opponents. When is the last time Fedor has fought a top five opponent and when is the last time he finished a top five opponent? He could not finish NOG nor could he finish Cro Cop the best fighters he has fought to date with only decision wins?

You have no problem ranking Barnett two( a known steroid repeat offender) and have a problem with Brock? Barnett should automatically be taken out of all rankings.

Sure, I can do that for you if you’d like, jay.

Getting caught juicing doesn’t take away past performances.

If that were the case, then every World Series winner in MLB that had a steroid user on their team should be stripped of their World Series win.

That just doesn’t work.

You can’t change history.

Rogers #5 LOL are you sure you don’t work for finklestein intro.

Baseball is going to strip away the players getting caught records and awards just like in track and field if you get caught you lose your medals and records that includes your ranking.

Puck Head,

Bret Rogers or Shain Carwin…Who out of those two is the better fighter with a more proven record?

After you ask yourself that question and come to realize that they are pretty much interchangeable fighters…..why again is Strikeforce the “safer road”?

lmao…sure they are, Puck Head….sure they are.

Let’s see your list than Puck.

Rogers is listed from 5 – 7 on most rankings. Not sure why you’re so adamant that he shouldn’t be.

Think about it intro every site has Rogers no higher than #6 on average he is #8 and most agree. Your blinded by your love with Fedor that’s cool a passionate fan or family member doing everything he can to hide the shame of your hero. Anyway your MMA knowlege is with out a doubt even below the casual fans but you love for your favoirite fighter is honorable I’ll give you that but ask yourself this if Fedor fought in the UFC would there be any doubts or arguements Rogers or anyone else at Strikeforce is #1 the answer is no the undisputed champion would be the UFC champion no questions asked.

you keep saying fedor should not be #1 puck but than who should be?

He won’t answer that question ,roy.

No back-bone.

1.lesner
2.nog
3.fedor
4.cain
5.carwin/rogers

reason I got fedor dropping is because of his competition.

7.dos santos
8.Mir
9.barnett
10.overeem
9.arlovski
10.overeem

eagzy,

You know Fedor beat the living daylights out of Nog…don’t you?

…and how is Brock #1?

Please explain.

I don’t believe he deserves to be called #1 I don’t hate the man I think he’s a great fighter legend of the sport I honestly as a fan for over 10years don’t believe he should be ranked the best now if the fight against Barnett would of happened I and he won I probally would agree he is the best because he would of finally fougght someone worthy of being called #1. The reason I don’t think he should be called #1 is for the simple fact in the UFC no one would argue if he won the belt who the best is with Barnett out of the picture. To be called #1 you must prove it and this is something he hasn’t done since the NOG and Cro Cop fights were I believe he was the #1 HW during that time.

So, you think that the best in the world have to beat the #2-#6 to remain the best…but the #2-#6 guys get a pass if they don’t beat the #1?

Zero sense.

I put nog ahead of fedor for the fact of recent competition or maybe Brock should be number 2 but I still have him above fedor rite now. Maybe that list is a little round the wrong way but my point is how can u stay at number 1 without fighting top 10 guys? Sure rogers is coming up but where does he go from there? Overeem prob won’t ever even happen coz we can all agree he is on the juice. Werdum?? Maybe?

Carwin is ranked higher than Rogers on almost everyones board they both are unproven against top fighters as they each have only beat one top ten fighter but Carwin has ground game he hasn’t had to use much as we don’t know if Rogers could survive on the ground against any MMA fighter little alone Fedor. Brock would destroy Rogers in a fight were Carwin has a back ground in wrestling and has a chance on the ground. Below is the consensus ranking wich are the majority. I don’t believe Fedor deserves to be called #1 and thats my opinion but most agree the UFC HW divsion is the best all around as you can see by not only my word but by the majority of ranking boards.

1 Fedor Emelianenko 100 M-1Global/Strikeforce 1
2 Brock Lesnar 96 UFC 2
3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 88 UFC 3
4 Frank Mir 87 UFC 4
5 Josh Barnett 71 WVR 5
6 Shane Carwin 71 UFC 7
7 Junior dos Santos 70 UFC 6
8 Brett Rogers 67 Strikeforce 8
9 Randy Couture 65 UFC 8
10 Andrei Arlovski 51 ??? 10
11 Alistair Overeem 49 DREAM/Strikeforce 12
11 Cain Velasquez 49 UFC 11
13 Fabricio Werdum 41 Strikeforce

You put Nog ahead of Fedor? What is wrong with you?

NOG has stated he feels like his game is better than it ever has as well as his conditioning it’s debatable remember Fedor only won by decision in Pride jay.

Puck…Carwin is NOT ahead of Rogers on any rankings that I have seen.

Show me a ranking system where he is.

Puck, we always have sort of the same opinions so I like you. So don’t take this the wrong way. NOG is done. I will say it until I am blue in the face. Fedor would literally kill Nog. LITERALLY DEAD.

Puck,

Fedor handed Nog a one-sided beatdown in Pride. There was no aspect of that fight that Nog one…unless you consider hitting Fedor’s fist with his face an aspect that he won.

And I’m Nog fan.

I don’t think so jay his chin could be weaker that is debatable but if NOG says he feels in the best shape and top of his game he is the type of guy doesn’t lie I don’t think he is the type of guy to hype himself either. If you believe what he says his JJ game would be improved because he feels stronger as well he stated his striking has improved wich it appeared to be in the Randy fight. NOG is still young and far from done if he keeps his conditioning I don’t think his chin can be debated right now from one bad fight? Don’t worry I like debating thats what this site is all about fans that love MMA we are not always going to see eye to eye so let’s debate bud.

Intro how many times has NOG looked like he was taking a beat down then pulling off a win. Fedor has not fought a five round fight in his life I think?

lol, it’s just like high school here today. Intro let it go man. Weekly got Rogers at #8 and Carwin at #10 and that’s the place where they should be. You were right for saying that Carwin is not before Rogers in the ranking but you were wrong for putting Rogers in the top 5. As for your juicing allegation You are so wrong to assume that a guy like Brock is on the juice when he already passed a tons of test before in college and always succeed to passed them. Now he got caught with some pills in his WWE days but it was judge that it wasn’t roids. Did he was on roids in the WWE? Maybe, maybe not. We never gonna know just like we never gonna know if it was really the case in Benoit’s death. All we got it’s assumption s and we can’t say who’s right and who’s wrong. But you were right on 1 thing is that you can be on a cycle during 2 months and flush it in 1 month after. A normal cycle is 3 months on and off. So basically you were right and wrong in everything that you said.

I don’t know how you can put Rogers in front of Carwin with no knowlege of Rogers having any ground game Alpha they both have great KO power and good size. Do you really think Rogers can last one round on the ground against Brock LOL? I don’t think so Carwin on the other hand might be able to at least keep the damage down were Rogers would struggle and get KO Brock would destroy Rogers I’m not as sure on Carwin though I’m thinking Carwin will be able to last two or three rounds at least before the relentless Brock TKO him.

I agree with you Puck. If that would be me I would’ve put Carwin at #8, Overeem at #10 and Rodgers at #11. We all have different ranking in favor of our favorites or not. It’s been a while that we ask mania to have his own ranking that we could vote on. That way it would put an end to all debates that we have on this subject b/c of ranking of other sites.

I believe that the reason why they put Grim in front of Carwin is simply b/c Grim beat AA who was in the top 10 and that Carwin beat GG who wasn’t top 10. Other than that I don’t see the reason why? Like you said it’s clear who’s got the better wrestling, stand up and overall skills over the other. I also believe that Grim wouldn’t last a round against Brock but I doubt that Barney can hang also. We’ll see soon if we were wrong on this.

One thing is for sure they are two of the most talented up and coming fighters in MMA today but I feel by not only the fights they had wich is hard to judge them by but their back grounds Carwin is the more dangerous fighter as well in the clinch I think his strength is greater but your right there is no solid proof to be at least 90% sure. I know one thing I would love to see Carwin and Rogers go at it.

Well, you certainly proved your own point.

The Overeem diet causes mono, who knew?

at the end of that link he looks like kyle maynard hahahha

I don’t think there “needs to be”…I just know the UFC and know that they’ll have one. Don’t hate on me for your beloved UFC’s typical gameplan.

You act as though liking the UFC is a crime. I like NBA, MLB, NHL and all the other major leagues. I also like Strikeforce and liked Elite XC and Affliction. You make no sense. There won’t be an interim belt and you know it. Name one time when an interim belt has come into play because someone had to postpone a fight for 3 months.

3 months?

This is 2 postponements over the same thing…“mono”. Give me a break…this guy isn’t sick with mono…his HGH cycle is all messed up.

The original fight was set for November 14. The fight will probably be in February. That’s 3 months. Who cares how many times it has been moved? It is still 3 months, dummy.

Maybe a 185 interim belt? it hasn’t been defended since April. Nate vs Vitor for the interim? yay or nay?

185 belt don’t matter. The UFC’s #1 contender is probably gone anyway. I love Vitor, but Hendo deserves it more than Vitor does.

Jerry millen aka intro your a fool LOL you make me laugh though and are a great example of a Fedor fan. Fedor loves fools money.

Fedor loves fools money.

lol puck, just keep buying into everything dana tells you.

LOL I judge Dana by what he has gave us roy not on what he says and the result is clear awsome MMA action there is no arguing that as far as believeing who Dana thinks is the best I don’t agree with him on everything I like the fact that he is who he is and not act like a phony politicion. The end result of Dana is his product and his product is with out a doubt the best. The fact that you and intro envy him doesn’t change that fact but calling peaple Dana nut huggers is very ignorant and childish roy is it not OK to like Dana because you hate him?

Is that all you got roy when ever you can’t debate like a man you bring out the Dana BS find something new LOL. Really 99% of fans if they had the choice would choose for Fedor to fight in the UFC but Finklestein has you brainwashed in thinking Rogers is the a top five fighter.

that all you got roy when ever you can’t debate

whats to debate? that m-1 is a mchine that takes are money? thats what you said its just comical.

thats hilarious as most fans wanted to see Fedor fight in the UFC against the top HW fighters but instead choosing not what the fans wanted? Seems to me Fedor is more scared of losing than he is in competing and took the safer road as a fan I don’t find that to comical.

yeah was the ufc that much harder he was about to fight barnett who would beat almost every hw there so don’t give me the easy road line and he lives very humble so enough with the money stuff. i don’t hate dana so its not that i just laugh at the kids that beleave everything he tells them.

I have never heard Dana rate the best HW in the world we all know Dana is biased for obvious reasons but I’m talking after the Barnett fight if you have read any of above you would of known this. I stated that a win over Barnett I probally would agree that he deserves the number one status as Barnett was ranked either 2 or three on almost everyones boards at that time and would of finally been a top five fighter that he would of proved he could beat and to be honest I had Barnett to win even though I would cheer for Fedor then I just thought Barnett matched up better against Fedor than NOG did.

lmao.

He’s never fought a tune-up fight in his life. Always trying to fight the best available. I don’t see why you have a problem with that.

If he were fighting the “best available”, he would have signed with Affliction to fight Fedor…but he took the easier road.

Your stupid. He already had a contract when Fedor decided to hide out at Strikeforce. Back to retarded Intro I guess. You were doing so well.

Ya i don’t really see how Randy COuture and Frank Mir are the “best available” that comment actually mad me lol.

They had the belts. He had no choice but to fight them.

Crock signed with the UFC when Fedor was at Affliction. If your “he wanted to fight the best available” statement is true…he would have signed with Affliction to fight the best…which he didn’t.

It’s funny how Crock can’t even get in the cage to fight a guy that has pretty much an identical record as Bret Rogers, but Fedor is a “ducker” for fighting Bret Rogers lmao….you guys are idiots today.

they just don’t make sense, lol at puck and his m-1 mahcine wants your money bs and all the double standards when it comes to the ufc.

More MMA fans watch the UFC than any other organization year round so don’t cry me the river because you don’t like Dana. roy if Fedor comes to the UFC there will be no argueing who the best really is the M1 hype machine just has you brained washed in thinking rogers is all of a sudden a top five fighter LOL.

lol serious i know your not older than 18 right puck? no one has me brainwashed i don’t think rogers is top 5 maybe not even top 10 he could be a complete bust but right now he is as legit as carwin. its you that is brainwashed by dana and i don’t hate dana just cause you stupid enough to fall for his pitches.

I have them rated close and unproven they are two of the best young fighters Carwin #6 and Rogers #9 but I picture it like this roy both of them have the ability to KO Fedor or Brock good hands I would even give the striking advantage to Rogers but every other MMA phase even though unproven there back grounds would be a safe suggestion that Carwin is all round better MMA fighter or picture it like this Carwin would have a better chance against Fedor or Brock than Rogers would Rogers would in grappling and on the ground.

lmao…very insightful….school out today?

u guys that actually think brock is the best HW in the world r the most hilarious m*f’ers i have ever seen in my life!=D brock in front of fedor & nog & barnet??? obviously u guys started watching ufc wen brock came over cuz u dont jack shit about MMA

locc…how can Nog beat Brock?

“Lesnar doesn’t even look like he is on steroids”

What’s “sickening” is the fact that you are overlooking what he looked like when wrestling (and didn’t have to cycle off for testing), as compared to how he looks now (when he does have to cycle off before getting tested). The “on again, off again” cycling would make him drop some of his past physique just as much as stopping all together.

Anyone who believes that this guy has built his body naturally is a complete moron.

“Anyone who believes that this guy has built his body naturally is a complete moron.”

Uhhh… yeah. The man has been tested more times than you can count over his career. But oh wait… YOU SAY something is “fact” without any proof or evidence or anything to back it up, and unless we agree with you we’re “morons”? Dear god.

I didn’t say he wasn’t on the juice during his wrastlin’ days. As a matter of fact, I truly believe he was. He isn’t anymore. He doesn’t need to look big to be a real fighter. When he did the juice it was for show not performance. If you think doing steroids today is going to make you a better fighter 5 years from now, you are on glue.

Do some research on “cycling”…Knowing when and where your going to get tested “like MMA fighters do” pretty much gaurantees a clean test for most people when HGH is the drug of choice. Pro body builders get “tested” at competitions….they all pass, too.

I didn’t say he is on steroids to “look big”. There are growth hormones that aren’t designed to “look big”…they are designed to help in other ways.

When Brock was doing the juice it was simply to look big. He tested clean for the Vikings and all UFC tests.

He was with the Vikings for one training camp, and knows when, and where his “UFC tests” are going to be every time he gets tested.

He’s a juicer, and cycles for his tests.

Have you seriously never heard of cycling before?

Forget it Intro. If you say he is juicin’ than he is juicin’. I doubt I will ever instill any sense in you since obviously your parents and teachers never could.

Yes…let’s retort with insults.

Pretty much sums up the mentality around here, doesn’t it.

You’re right, but you are exhausting and pig-headed. There really is no talking sense to you.

Whatever, jay.

Not interested in debating with someone with so little class.

So it’s ok to juice as long as you get off of it in advance for your fight?
Is that your logic? That’s the way it sounds.
It’s hypocritical to rip on Overeem and give Brock a bye.
The UFC has a chemically created HW champ and I don’t think anyone with two brain cells to rub together would dispute that.

KS… Show me a positive test and I will be there with you ready to burn him. He isn’t on the juice. Why is everyone who is successful at any sort of athletic sport on the juice? He is a big dude, have you never seen a big guy in your life?

OJR, intro whoever the H you are, unless you know Lesnar is “juicing” for a fact or you have proof, shut up. He was bigger in college and more muscular than he is now and as a college strength & conditioning coach I can tell you they get tested a lot! But it really dosen’t matter, you’re point is pointless. They didn’t even test for roids in Pride. Why do you think so many fighters have come from Japan and struggled in the ufc? Drug testing! If Brock never tested positive in college or in the the ufc that’s good enough for me. ANd by the way, Brock unlike Fedor has the balls to fight anybody he has fought better fighters in his brief career than Fedor has in 3 or 4 years. I’ll root for him anyday over the Russian myth.

Intro… You have to admit that once you decide something it is virtually impossible to change your mind. That is frustrating. You aren’t open-minded in the slightest bit. I have changed my stance on many subjects here because of the insight of others. I wasn’t insulting you. You pick a side and stick with it no matter what, it is almost pointless to debate with you because it is a losing battle everytime.

Typical teenager they know everything jay and when you prove them wrong the name calling begins LOL how dare you prove him wrong with intelligence you Dana nut hugger LOL.

Wes-As a former college athlete I can honestly say I was never once tested. In fact, testing in college is NOT very frequent(it at least wasn’t when Brock was in college, not sure about now). Not going to say Brock is on the juice now, no doubt he was in the past. Puck-you do admittedly swing from Dana’s nuts so you shouldn’t get mad when people bring it up. You talk about him with such high esteem it’s really sickening. You talk about how you like him because he’s straight forward and not political. That’s too bad because that’s EXACTLY what he is. He’s a two-faced snake, and to take his word as truth is a foolish thing to do. You love to remind everyone how much he’s done for the sport and how much we owe him. I just want to take a minute to remind you that if it weren’t for Dana’s billionaire buddies, evolving fighters, and a loyal fan base Dana would still be hitting on soccer moms at the gym he worked out. Who really owes who? I certainly don’t owe Dana shit, I pay his salary like the rest of you. He can stop being such an arrogant prick and advance the sport even further IMO. I do appreciate what the UFC has done bring the sport mainstream, but there’s no way in hell I’m ever being a fan of any president/owner/commissioner of any sports entity ever. And certainly not enough to make me blindly defend them when they slip up.

I’m 34 puck…I was watching MMA when Dana was teaching aerobics.

Well said, Diceman.

I’ve never in my life witnessed fans of any sport support a president or commissioner the way UFC fnas support Dana White.

You guys, and the rest of us, owe Dana $59.95 for a fight, and he owes us a good fight…that’s it…period.

very good as usual dice, i have said this before are these guys a fan of mma or dana white?

What is the obsession with hating Dana? He saved MMA in North America. If it weren’t for him and the Fertittas we would be watching Pride (no testing) and small shows with no TV deals here. Zuffa made MMA mainstream here in N.A. and for that we get more PPV’s and free shows. Tell me something he has done wrong. Keep in mind that you are not a fighter so disrespecting fighters is not an answer. Besides swearing every other word, what is wrong with him. I don’t like him either but I don’t rant at others who do like him.

who is hating dana? i don’t.

I don’t like him either but I don’t rant at others who do like him.

no but you rant at people who do hate him.not that i hate him or like him i just don’t buy everything he sells.

Diceman, I got tested once in college. NCAA wasn’t testing specific teams or persons. Testing were randomly but we had some every spring camp, summer camp and some during the season.

Honestly I don’t hate Dana. What I hate is that there are so many people(I’m refraining from the very strong urge to use the word “fanboys”) that think the only way you can prove yourself as a fighter is to go to the UFC. They take everything that Dana says as gold, and give him a pass “because he’s done so much for the sport”. What I dislike about Dana has everything to do with how he handles business. I just think that degrading fighters(who without he would be nothing) for some of the reasons he does is not only unprofessional but downright childish. Sure, he has helped bring the sport to the mainstream in North America, but he could simply act like a professional, like the way any other president of any other company does, and make the sport even more mainstream. Instead he wants to be as popular as the fighters, and his ego gets in the way. I’m a guy, I get it. Everyone has an ego, but you don’t see the presidents/owners/commissioners of any other sports trying to make themselves the face of the sport. He says things that should be beneath him. It would be nice if he could swallow his pride once in a while for the good of everyone. You think Rampage is an idiot? Fine, THINK it. Don’t go around and tell everybody. And that’s just one drop in the bucket as far as that type of behavior goes. There are numerous other circumstances I could cite. As far as a person, I’m not going to make it personal and say I hate him. I don’t hate him, I hate the way he conducts business a lot of the time, and that more people don’t see it for what it is.

Diceman, obviously you were not a division I college athlete. Because my guys are tested randomly 3-4 times a season… Junior college and division III does not count, sorry bud!

Hockey, random testing and no steroid era. Golf, athletic sport, no steroid era. Soccer, I don’t watch it but I have never heard of a steroid era. Basically all sports except baseball and football.

I said “that doesn’t have random testing” .

OK. Soccer, golf and every sport before the 1980’s.

LOL has Fedor been tested yet? he has the belly of a roider LOL.

jay,

So you feel that even though you can only come up with two sports that haven’t had a steroid era, MMA is never going to get nailed?

So naive.

I didn’t say they won’t. But accusing everyone of being on steroids isn’t good for the sport. Steroids seems like a waste of time in MMA since you are tested almost every time you fight. It isn’t easy to cycle on and off if you get tested every 3 months.

“It isn’t easy to cycle on and off if you get tested every 3 months.”

Yes it is. Growth Hormone’s can be mixed with other designer drugs to achieve all sorts of things that aren’t neccessarily for “muscle growth”, and can easily be cycled off every 3 months.

You don’t know sh^t intro with the new testing that doesn’t work just ask barnett.

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i alomst felt your tears in that post, how dare intro accuse the great brock of roiding!

Agree. If he(or anyone) beats Fedor in a legit fight(not a 10 second flash KO) he deserves to be #1. If you can beat Fedor you can beat anyone IMO.

Flash KO or otherwise, I think he’d deserve the #1 spot…a win is a win.

Simply based on the even comparison between his record and the other top guys, I just don’t see how the rankings could go any other way if he had a win against Fedor.

I see your point. But if Fedor is beating his butt for 10 minutes and Rogers is exhausted and about to tap, then he throws one last haymaker and it clips Fedor. Would you still consider him number 1? I guess you would have to right? Stupid way to be number 1.

Not to mention he has no history of a ground game Carwin has a wrestling back ground and we all know wrestlers tend to have at least decent ground games.

lmao….impossible.

Unless beating Herring, going 1and 1 against Mir, beating Couture, and Min Soo Kim compare…

Believe me…someone will say that track record does compare…as funny as that sounds.

couture can beat everyone you mentioned besides NOG wich was a great battle that went to the end. As well Mir can beat every on Fedors list LOL good try intro LOL.

saying someone can is one thing call me when he has.

Ring Ring Ring “hello roy Couture beat big Timmy after big Timmy beat AA twice? Yeah I think he did LOL and Mir not only beat big Tim he has also beat the best fighter Fedor has ever beat talk to you later bud.”

Yeah, 3 or 4 years ago, what’s he done lately? Oh that’s right, Tim sylvia and Andre “no chin” Arlovski, Aoki and Mousassi in exhibitions. He was at one time “the Man” but he hasn’t done jack crap the last couple years. He avoids competition like the plague. I will be laughing my butt off if Brett Rogers beats him.

he avoids competition like the plague, what ever tim,aa, and barnett where some of the toughest guys available at the time get real.

Who in the UFC should be ranked higher than the current champ? This I got to hear.

easy nog. how many wins does brock have? 4 with only 3 decent openents. if a guy gets a title shot in his first fight and knocks out the champ does that make him the best in the world?

Correct winning the The world cup compared to winning the US Cup are two different levels of competition if you want to compete for the easier cup go ahead but don’t think the fans will think your #1 for your past success Puck said it well the best prove or at least try and prove it living off your past success and fooling some into thinking your unbeatable has been done in boxing true MMA fans want to see equal levels of competition and minus Fedor out of the picture the UFC HW division would slaughter the Strikeforce division.

Hahaha we will see them fight roy no need to worry my friend Nog was part of the four fighters fighting for the belt and he lost and Brock won making Brock a higher rated fighter? Fact is all of Brocks wins are better fighters than anyone Fedor has faced since Nog I know the truth hurts but those are the facts roy don’t worry like hughes Fedor is still go to be legend but he has done nothing since Pride that should still have him as the best a man with only a hand full of fights has fought tougher competition sad I know but it’s the truth.

lol what a fool you are, all of brocks openents are better than anyone fedor has fought, fedor destoyed heath brock could not even end the fight brock fought a 45 yr old randy and was losing imo till the punch and nog kicked his ass and mir sucks. lol wow brock has beaten 3 people he is the best in the world lol. half the people fedor has fought would beat and some have brocks not so great comp. lol

Really now lets see 45 year old couture had a great battle with the best man Fedor has beat he can beat AA and has beat Tim MW fighters are beating on big Sapp and Hong man hmmm LOL 45 year old couture can beat every one on Fedors list except NOG and when NOG lost to Fedor it was a great battle with but when a sub artist like Nog could not sub Fedor he lsot by decesion wich is one of the main reasons nog has eveolved his game and been working on his grappling and striking game I truely believe from watching one fight we have seen a new improved NOG that I think now would have a better chance against Fedor than his Pride days were he was too one diminsional. I’ve been watching these guys for sometime now roy and the generation of fighters are all good a defending subs now as well wich has forced Nog to adapt and I think he has.Really take away NOG off Fedors list and name someone that can beat Randy, or Mir hell I believe there are WW out there that could beat guys on Fedors list. How many top five fighters has Fedor KO subbed or KO None.

He was just checking for trolls, don’t blame him it happens here a lot.

Intro are you making fun of me for saying sickening earlier? I think you’ve used it a couple times today and it looks like you are chumping me for saying it.

No…didn’t notice.

d*locc, brother, Mir got lucky the first time. Brock didn’t know what he was doing. The second fight confirms this. Big Nog is too weak to handle Brock. Brock will push him up against the cage and make minced meat outta that face. Nog is a cool guy and I like him, but c’mon Brock is a young stud and even though they are roughly the same age, Nog is a beaten old mare. You know it and everyone in here knows it. Oh and Murr’s JJ is definitely not better than Nog’s. Nog has looked washed up in every fight he has had in the UFC. He has been in one too many wars bro.

I think your wrong jay I believe the Nog now is better than the Nog in Pride and still in his prime his biggest issue has been his style wich stayed the same for to long and as the sport evolves so does the training at one time there were only a hand few of fighters that could defend his JJ now there are many. It’s not like Nog came out before and crushed anybody I don’t even know if he has a KO on his record? He was always able to pull off the sub or get the decision he was known as one of the greeatest because of the battles he has been in and against Fedor he could not get him in a sub and Fedor controled the ground game their were a few clsoe attempts and Fedor possibly even got saved by the bell in the first round of their last fight but any wich way you put it Nog was like many times in his career on his back and we all know you don’t get points for sub attempts as well as you do striking.