finch is a bad ass, my favorite ww, and has to be in the top five in just toughness. he is well rounded, stiking, judo, wrestiling, jits. the proof is in the pudding, people say gsp just brezzed past him, but finch put up a great fight, and gets way too much hate here. i know im alone, but finch is the man!

Personally I don’t like stand-ups, as far as I’m concerned it’s up to the downed fighter to get back up or work a submission from bottom, it’s his own fault for being taken down.

However position shouldn’t count on the judges scorecards over offense, which is why I don’t like decisions like Cerrone-Smooth and Guida-Diaz, as the more active fighter lost the fight because of clay and gray. If the fighter on top does less than the guy on bottom then they should lose the round regardless of the takedown or position. However if the guy on bottom does nothing off his back i.e. can’t get back up or work a submission then he should lose the round and shouldn’t be allowed a stand-up, he should learn how to get off his back instead of getting away with his lack of skills because the fight is boring.

For the sake of the legitimacy of the sport I want refs to focus on the rules and when to stop a fight, not pissing about trying to make it exciting. As long as the judges score the fight in favour of offense not position then clay and gray fighters who spend the whole time defending strikes and submissions will lose fights and be forced to come back with a more aggressive strategy. Unfortunately until Cecil Peoples et al are replaced that won’t happen.

Now i am with PW 100% about the guidas of the world but i don’t want to compromise the whole concept of refs only interfering for fouls and to end fights. Also though in the long run, fighters will have to learn how to deal with guys like that so i think as people become well rounded and develop more functional mma guards, these lnp’ers will be far and between. Still though can you imagine what would happen if Pierce can LNP fitch here. Because anyone who’s seen the larson fight just wow. Even brock said that Joe silva was pissed and bashing Mike in the back of the arena after that fight.

so Blazy J….you like him so much that you don’t realize his name is FITCH and not FINCH. Well done…that said I agree with your point that Fitch is a great fighter and gets hate undeservedly on here

oh crap, pigs are flying and hell has frozen over, i accually agree with david w-s this time. not just a bit but his whole write up.

Didn’t GSP himself say Fitch was his toughest fight?

Fitch is a great fighter, and i really feel for him with the loss of two big name matchups in a row..he doesn’t get the spotlight as much as he deserves and this will just make that worse unless he can finish quick and in an exciting way

he’s not as “lnp” as most people make out in my opinion

I’ve never knocked his work ethic. I just think that guys who don’t even ATTEMPT to finish fights should be rewarded. If a fight goes to a decision because two evenly matched fighters neutralize each other’s strengths, that’s one thing. What Fitch has been doing for the last several years, what Guida does all the time, what Pellegrino and Tibau did to Neer, is all crap. There is no skill or courage in doing what they do. There is nothing that they should be applauded or commended for. That’s why I thin they should be warned for stalling, then have points deducted if it continues. As soon as some of these LnP guys lose a few fights and others who are considering this insidious tactic see that it isn’t rewarded with wins, bonus money and a rise in the standings, they will work to improve their position and look to finish, which is what they should have been doing all along.

PW..where does Maynard rank on your hate/hit list. He’s a big LNP guy.

Yep, can’t stand ol’ Lay ’n Gray either.

lol.. I’m not a big fan of that technique either. But I will give Fitch credit for a good work ethic and Guida credit for having an engine that just doesn’t seem to stop.

I disagree that Maynard is an LNP guy big time. He has just needed time to shore up his skills. His fight Clementi was all details man. That was a hard fought half guard battle. But with huerta you saw him flex new creases in his game. Hell he’s only had 6 fights before that.

I agree shogun shouldn’t of been rewarded for not trying to finish the fight

oh he wasn’t

oh wrong thread

i’m just all mess today!