Thiago Alves: It was not a good idea to fight Jon Fitch at less than full strength
by Bryan Levick on Nov 3, 2009 2:23 PM EST
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"I tore my PCL, I had a knee injury before my fight with GSP in which I tore my MCL and now 6 weeks before my fight with Fitch I tore my PCL. My doctor advised me not to fight and although I still wanted to fight my manager told me not to because I am not 100%, they felt it was not a good idea to go up against a fighter like Jon Fitch at anything less than full strength. I am going to take this time off to heal and get better, hopefully I will be back by January 31st. It's not as bad as it could have been but it's not worth the risk of doing any further damage. You have no idea how bad I wanted this fight! When I come back I am going to better than ever, the next time I step inside the octagon I am going to make a huge impression. Everything happens for a reason and I have no complaints."
Former number one welterweight contender Thiago Alves talks about the difficult decision to pull out of his UFC 107 bout against Jon Fitch on Dec. 12 after suffering a knee injury while training. "The Pitbull" is trying to get back in line and work his way up the welterweight ladder for another crack at current champion Georges St. Pierre, who bested the Brazilian at UFC 100 back on July 11. With Fitch now matched up against Mike Pierce, who will be the new opponent for Alves when he returns in 2010? Marcus Davis, Dan Hardy, Mike Swick … what showdown do you want to see?
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good to see you back on mania Bryan, why didn’t you tell me this morning you’d be on here? Read the interview earlier today, good stuff, glad you finally got that interview done!
by kevin on Nov 3, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions
If they are serious about giving Swick a shot I think he should have to go through Alves first. As long as Swick does his job and gets the w against Hardy
by IrishKev on Nov 3, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
agreed swick is #4 at best and hardy is lower than that, niether of which has shown any kind of grappling that would even compare to gsp’s
by sac165 on Nov 3, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
there is no discussion, NO ONE AT WW can beat GSP. He will not have a challenge until he decides to challenge himself by moving to MW!
by kevin on Nov 3, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
The will never have Swick fight alves or fitch as he won’t be either of them. At least the UFC can hype swick as unbeaten at WW…
by Arnold on Nov 3, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Very happy that this kid is going to be smart and take some time off to heal his injuries. Knee injures are nothing to mess around with and he is young enough to where he shouldnt put his future in jeapordy by not taking care of his injuries. Take the time off, do the rehab, and the welterweight division will still be there for him to dominate when he gets healthy!
by john G on Nov 3, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
John, apparently Duffman is out against Buentello, any news on that?
oh, Pulver make a return in 2010 and Alek left M1 and started his own team AE, maybe we’ll see him come in the states now?
by Alpha Male on Nov 3, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
yeAH THE NEWS ON THAT IIS HE IS out! hEAR STRUVE AND rUSSOW ARE POSSIBLE REPLACEMENTS!
by john G on Nov 4, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
here we go another excuse for why he couldn’t beat St. Pierre.
by zachy on Nov 3, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions
Zach…
How are these for excuses for Thiago:
1. Can’t cut weight b/c I’m too big from steriods
2. My ligaments keep tearing b/c I’m too big from steroids
3. I was slower than GSP…b/c I’m too big from steroids
4. I have a chest like Lesnar…b/c of steroids
5. I was caught cheating and using a diaretic to cut weight…b/c i’m too big from steroids.
by randy on Nov 3, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
the ONLY person in the world that can beat thiago at full strength is gsp, i don’t see anyone else posing any kind of problem for the pitbull
by sac165 on Nov 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions
I’m pretty sure a scale could beat him most of the time. He’s a good fighter though and it would be a hard match to call between him and Fitch.
by MM_Eh on Nov 3, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
The Pitbull?More like “The Vagina”,if he wouldve tooken that match against Fitch he wouldve goten tooken down and raped out of another possible title shot in 2010.If he wouldve ducked Fitch (like he jus did) theres a pretty good chance that the next guy that hed be fighting wouldn be a beast whos only lost in the UFC is to the current title holder,who whooped his a*# 4 five rounds with a blown out nut (so he thot).Smart manager.
by The Legacy on Nov 3, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
sac165 your right, people thought that because thiAgo woulf outweigh GSP by around 15 lbs at fight time he would be stronger. GSP was still way stronger faster, and way more athletic than alves, throwing him around like a rag doll, taking him down 10 times, and that was GSP fighting on one leg for half the fight. GSP has stated that when he comes back to fight next year, he will be evolve, and come back as a much better fighter than when he fought alves, which is a scarry thought. I really think Dana needs to have GSP vacate at WW, and start challenging himself as a MW.
by dtoto on Nov 3, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Leave it alone man! In no way ever EVER should GSP be forced to vacate his FUCKIN title & fight at middleweight!!! What the f*#k for? Do you guys watch this sport @ all? Name one time in boxing where the most dominant fighter was FORCED to switch weight classes and GIVE UP his belt because he’s TOO FUCKIN GOOD!?! Does that even make sense?
Its not his bloody job to find talent to fight. Its not his job to make other fighters look good so ppl are kept interested. & its certainly not his fuckin job to fight @ any other weight or structure then he feels best @!
Maybe he’s so dominant because aside from being in peak shape all year round & dedicating himself to this sport, he is SMART! The smartest in mma I would argue.
If he wants to fight a couple b level fighters @ mw then so be it. IF HE WaNTs TOO! Why would Dana make him? Makes it all the more special if he gets beat ever. Or all the more memorable as best ww of all time if he retires unharmed since serra. Whom he more than avenged.
by Daniel worby on Nov 3, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
All time p4p greats in boxing like Sugar Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran vacated their titles to move up in weight, they both dominated WW and LW respectively before moving up to fight better competition at a weight disadvantage and they still won titles. I’d like to see GSP take a MW fight just to keep him motivated as the WW division had been cleaned out, he doesn’t have to vacate the belt but it would be good to see him fight a top 10 MW like Sexyama while a top contender can be established at WW, rather than have him fight overmatched WWs or rematch Fitch, Alves and BJ.
by David W-S on Nov 3, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
David ws,
Like I said, I agree that he could go up and fight some mw, if he wants tho is the key. I don’t care either way to Tell ya the truth. Its just the ppl that say Dana should strip his title and force him there. That’s ridiculous & just a dumb idea all around.
Also the move up to immediately face spider idea is just as bad. Spider didn’t do that. Only one that has is Penn. Didn’t work out too well. Good for bk if that makes him look tough, but it wasn’t smart. GSP is smart.
by Daniel worby on Nov 4, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
WELL FITCH ALREADY BEAT HIM QUITE EASILY. Dude can’t defend a takedown from guys like GSP and Fitch. Or Matt H all took him down every time they tried. Learn to sprawl.
by hatteras on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully he will be fighting Serra. Alves aint droppin Serra, it would be FOTN more than likely. Its never a bad idea to put some loot on Serra – gsp nuthuggers recognise.
by Insain on Nov 3, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions
Serra should in no way be fighting alves!! Alves is a top contender and serra is only around to fight the triggs and hallmans of the ufc.
If anthony johnson takes care of kos then thiago should fight him when he comes back!!
by ItsNormlToSmokePot on Nov 3, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to see Alves vs Rumble! That would be a great fight, and winner should get a shot at GSP.
by LJ on Nov 3, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Even though we don’t have much competition these days in the WW division, and i hate to see talent go away, but Thiago needs to bite the bullet and REALLY take care of this problem…..he needs to take a full year and have those ligaments reconstructed. 12 months to 16 months at the most. What’s he going to miss? Seriously, all we’ll see over that time is a bunch of guys jockeying for who’s gonna get their ass handed to them next by GSP. Thiago could be gone for the next 16 months, and the day he comes back, he’ll be in the Top 3 WW’s in the world. He’s too young to be dicking around with rigged-up rehabilitation stints……sacrifice now, get under the knife, bust your ass rehabbing it full-time, and in 18 months his knee will be better and stronger than it ever was. It’s crazy not to take that approach with medical technology being what it is today……..also keep in mind, i’m talking multiple ligaments over 12-16 months. If it’s only a single ligament, we’re talking 9-12 months, that’s it.
by kg on Nov 3, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions
Alves is faking. He doesn’t want to lose to Fitch again. Another loss will send him further down the ladder. Alves is good, but not championship level. Trust.
by Alves is fakin on Nov 3, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions
I agree, there is a really good chance he is “ducking” this fight.
I think he went out for Halloween as “Scare-dee Pants”!!!
by randy on Nov 3, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Failed to cycle or is walking around at 190 and knows he won’t make the cut, or he knows Fitch will just beat him like a child again, take your pick.
by DirtyMl on Nov 3, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions
Look at that pic of alves …no juice going on there right? sure.
by MMArt on Nov 3, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions
you guys are out of it if you think you cant have a body like that without steroids. Seriously? and part of his job is to work out so i dont get it?
by Jizzo on Nov 3, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Having done, been around others that have done and sold juice…imo…he’s juiced up. I don’t have a cup of piss to prove it, but the signs are there. Usually, but not always, a good indication is the fullness of someones pecs and if their nipples are starting to point down from upper chest growth. Working out 24/7 and developing a chest is one thing…but this dude is way to big for it to be just hard work. He and Overeem shoud hang out and share needles.
BTW – hard work looks like Fitch, Swick, GSP… bloating up to 220 between fights…look like lots of hard work…and some test.
by randy on Nov 4, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
PCL, MCL, ACL, whatever. Bulldog is just statin’ the obvious here. Of course no one wants to figth under 100%, hello?!?
by Syd on Nov 3, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions
Won’t post that one eh? Too many swears? Too direct?
Either way its true. GSP should never move weight classes. Not his job to suck less for others to look like legit opponents. Can’t make a Guy leave his belt cause he’s too good. Can’t expect a Guy to fight @ a different weight than the one he’s perfect @ just to hope he’ll lose. And i’d retire if Dana ever said to me ya gotta give up ur belt n move up a class. If I were GSP & told that i’d simply say see ya.
by Daniel worby on Nov 3, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions
Thiago will smash Fitch when they rematch wont even be much of a fight. Hopefully he heals up 100%trains good and hard and comes back with a vengence.
by Khaos_Warrior on Nov 3, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions
didn’t see the first fight huh? Fitch wins 8 out of 10 fights here.
by JRE on Nov 3, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Here is a list of what Alves has done
1. Alves VS St. Pierre: winner St. Pierre by 5 round a$$ kicking.
2. Alves VS Koscheck: winner Alves by UN. Koscheck is ranked number 5 and that is as high as he will ever go.
3. Alves VS Hughes: Alves by TKO. Alves came in over weight then demanded a title shot after beating an aging Hughes.
4. Alves VS Parisyan. Alves by TKO. Alves was getting his ass kicked in this one till he landed a lucky punch.
5. Alves VS Fitch: Fitch wins and this is what will happen every time Alves goes against a top 3 guy.
Thiago Alves will continue to win a lot but will NEVER hold the belt.
by DolFan on Nov 3, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions
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