WAAAAAARRR SHOOOOOOOGUNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Caesar has it right. Looking forward to rematch.

yes we all win with a rematch.

machida had a broken rib?

it defo looked like it was broke, i was saying to my mates who where at my house watching it, that i thought it was broke from the colouring, having broke my ribs twice now (3 ribs in total) i know it hurts like hell, so major props to machida for not gassing, and still being able to fight through the brutal body kicks shogun was hitting him with, but i defo think if it was a broken rib it could of been a major factor in his performance,

but i still think shogun won, i wanted shogun to win, only problem is now that machida prob deep down knows he lost the fight he will work double hard to defend against shoguns tactics, and being as smart as machida is i think the rematch will be alot tougher for shogun… so i no alot of people are saying big deal there will be a rematch, yeah true but imo i would much prefer it if shogun was the champ and machida was challenging him if that make sense, sorry but ive had some beers and smoke so getting whats in my head to the computer via my fingers aint really working

I lost all respect for respected bloggers that dont think Shogun won that fight!

Shogun so damn classy and I am very happy to hear him finally speak up about being Robbed!

Right not the LHW title is meaningless!

It wasn’t broken. You can check out the injuries and suspensions that were published after the fight by the athletic comission. In fact at this point the worst thing for Lyoto is the laceration on his upper lip.

Amen John,
I lose all respect to anyone who don’t agree with my point of view.

Like shit it’s obvious I’m right.

SHOGUN =REAL LHW CHAMP!!!
MASHIDA=Paper Champ!!!!!

Can we please give the whole Machida cant fight next week but Shogun could as a reason that he should have won, what crap….it has nothing to do with it, how many fighters have won a fight but could not fight again for months while the loser could fight again in a couple of weeks, I think GSP and his aaarrrbductoorrrr
would agree.

I wanted to say that it was a very close fight, and could have went either way, but now that I know that John G may not respect me, I don’t know what to write!

TapouT and John G can you just shut up about the lhw title is worthless and Shogun is the real champ blah blah bullsh*t. Go and have a cry about it or something. Just stop going on about it.

JOHN G , look at the fight again, its scored round by round, not by who has the most damage, or who won the last round, tell me honestly if the first 3 rounds couldnt have been given to machida even though they were close. If you want controversy look at the pagevs griffin, or bisping vs hammil fights, this one wasnt close to any of that.

John G. is hysterical.

I will try to move on with my life despite the loss of stature in his eyes.

wiping my tears

Here are some Brazillians oppinions on the lyoto vs shogun fight

Vitor Belfort: "I don’t like that idea that to beat the champion you have to be way superior. To beat the champion, you only have to win. It doesn’t matter how, just a victory, even when the level of the fighters is very high today. I think Shogun hit more and deserved to win."

Josuel Distak (Anderson Silva’s trainer): "In my opinion, I think it was a draw. I think Lyoto won the first and second round and started to lose after half of the third round. Shogun won the fourth and fifth round, so I think the draw would be fair. But the big winners were the fans because I’m sure the rematch will be an unforgettable battle."

Antonio Silva: "I was cheering for Lyoto Machida, even when I want to see a rematch between him and my training partner Thiago Silva. But I couldn’t understand what the judges were looking at to give the win to Lyoto. I’m sure Shogun won that fight."

Luiz Alves (Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira’s muay Thai trainer): "I think the judges were not there. Shogun was much more aggressive, mainly in the first three rounds, so I think he should have won."

Wanderlei Silva: "I couldn’t believe they gave the win to Lyoto. Besides being more aggressive, Shogun was more effective. UFC should review their judgment system. There isn’t anything worse to a fighter than training hard and losing a fight like that. The championship belt should be with Shogun now."

Sergio Cunha (Brett Rogers’ trainer): "In my opinion, Shogun lost the first and second and won the third, fourth and fifth round. He looked for the win all the time and scored more points, so he clearly deserved to win."

Anderson Silva: "I already said that Shogun did a great fight and I applaud him for the amazing fight he did, but in my opinion the leg kicks were not enough to decide the fight. Lyoto was more efficient, and in my opinion he won every round."

Cool. Thanks for the quotes…..Wonder if Shogun and Chute Box are in good standing or if Silva and Rua ever train together nowadays……

I just checked the fight Finder and it says he didn’t! =0

SHERDOG IS IN ON IT TOO, AND WIKIPEDIA!

OMG, THE WHOLE WORLD IS OUT TO GET SHOGUN EVERYONE BIITCH LOUDER AND IN EVERY THREAD AND MAKE FACEBOOK GROUPS TIL THIS IS RECTIFIED!

Lol at ShaiZ

no he won’t, because it isn’t this weekend. Machida is too smart to come back and let Shogun execute that game plan again.

come on roy, im sure gsp was more busted up, than gsp in their first fight also, and could have fought next weekend, that takes nothing away from who won the fight, or who the better fighter was. I think just like gsp, lyoto will dominate the rematch much more and leave little doubt to whining shogun fans who is the better fighter

sad thing is dtoto, I don’t think ANYTHING would shut these guys up or stop them from whining, I can just hear it now, “I don’t care that Lyoto punched his face off, Shogun is still the real champ”

i don’t think he was coasting, just can’t over commit with machida.

He said his corner told him he was winning. He coasted. You want the belt you gotta get it and Machida Stuffed 8 takedowns that counts against Rua as well. Great fight

defending takedowns dont mean SHIT. if anything going for takedowns counts as aggresion, one of the major conditions to winning rounds.

I’m with you here Egads. Since when does stuffing takedowns count as octagon control, aggression, or anything else on the judge’s scorecards? If that was the only thing Shogun was attempting I could see how it might not look impressive but he had a great gameplan IMO. Those kicks from Shogun had to hurt badly. Roy has it correct up there too about over committing. Why would a fighter want to allow his opponent to use his best tactic(countering) against him?

Stuffing take downs is considered octagon control. You must be mental to think differently. Its controling whether the fight is on the ground or standing. Its not anything to do with aggression though. Going for a take down once or twice wouldn’t mean anything to me but continually being stuffed on a take down shows to me that the fighter knows he can’t win standing so he needs to take the fight to the ground. It shows he is not in control of the fight. Constantly coming forward adds points to but its also taking away power from your hits. So where he seems more aggressive Machida would have seemed more powerful.

Why would Machida fans be crying? WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS MY FRIEND!

ha. whatever roy.

Roy-

I call BS on that statement. Read the threads and come correct, buddy.

No doubt that the Shogun fans have been weeping like crazy.

Roy- learn to count crybaby post before you make a statement like that. All I’ve read for 2 days is Rua fans going WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

i have seen alot of crying on both side, i call it a draw.

Why would Machida fans be crying? WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS MY FRIEND!

crying because alot of people don’t see him as the champ anymore.how many fighters have come out on machidas side other than spider?

You are full of sh!t, roy.

But that’s ok.

At least you are loyal to Shogun and I respect that.

i respect that that you will never admit that your wrong, heres a tissue dry those eyes there will be a rematch.

You are full of sh!t, roy.

where?on who’s crying more maybe but there seems to be plenty on both sides

But that’s ok.

At least you are loyal to Shogun and I respect that.

 nothing to do with being loyal i have a ton of respect for machida and only called it how i saw it.

i like my statement up above

shogun could rematch him this weekend

machida could not.

thats on who caused more damage.

Why does Machida remind me of Millhouse from the Simpsons without the bins??

Shogun W(WWWAAAAHHHH)on! Simple as that

I’m can see him being more confident and aggressive in the rematch. Hope he KO’s that boring MOFO. We need an exciting fighter who doesn’t run for 80% of the fight.

Karate stinks man….. Wax on now waxing off….

Machida’s medical suspension says it all.

Im a machida fan but yes im gonna man up for the other lyoto fans and say that despite the results Shogun did win 48-47 BUT…. Lyotos had to go through the hype of being the “Untouchable fighter” and i dont think he could handle the hype about being unstoppable. But i think in the rematch we WILL see a new machida. One that will have been past the hype and just want to be a pure fighter. And then the Machida Era will begin. In the Rematch i expect Machida via KO Leg kick 3mins into the first round

Christ this medical suspension thing is way off base. You know who else got a suspension (a 180 day one, at that). Pat Barry, who won by KTFO.

MMA is not a blood-letting contest. Hell, you could argue that getting KOed does less lasting damage to a fighter than being kicked in the legs repeatedly in terms of their ability to fight again promptly. Unless you want to start measuring subjective injuries like brain damage vs leg pain, or cuts that happen by chance but don’t threaten to end a fight. Of course that doesn’t even account for sub attempts which don’t cause lasting damage. In fact we shouldn’t even watch the fight—just tally up the injuries to decide who wins!

roy, you are the one crying about who’s crying and that disproves your point. you call the argument of who’s crying the most a draw? your as bad as the judges in the fight.

“Of course that doesn’t even account for sub attempts which don’t cause lasting damage”

im not taking sides in this bs argument, but you defo dont do martial arts do you??? now im no pro fighter, but ive done various martial arts most my life, and i have had a pretty badly damaged achilles tendon from a sub in sparring thats bugged me for around 10 yrs, ive also had a grade 3 sprain in my right shoulder ligament, now i opted out of surgery at the time but in last yr or two since i started firespinning poi its bugged me alot,

all in all it dont change anything in the outcome of the fight or this bs arguement of who is crying more i just wanted to point out that sub attempts, fucking hurt and do cause long term damage in some cases

how many fighters have come out on machidas side other than spider?
Roy…Fighters don’t decide decisions in fights, judges do and 3 of them said Machida won, WHOOOOOOOO!

I’m just trolling on this subject because it has gotten out of hand. I was voting for Machida and will again in the rematch. Having said that I think Machida lost, but what do I know I’m not a judge.

Jay-

The funny thing is that I had the fight a draw, so its not like I don’t see it from Shogun’s POV (or his fans). Judges should enforce a tie but they didn’t and that sucks. Champs almost always get that nod.

Add to the fact that Introvert has been such a bad loser with our bet. Ridiculous.

Point well taken, CoN’r. I was thinking of choke attempts really when I said subs, which don’t cause lasting harm.

i guess every mma site, dana white, every fighter on the card, every fighter that tweeted, rampage, randy couture and 90% of the crowd there is a shogun nutt hugger also

OJR you FAIL

Kayo. read what he said. Did he say Machida won? Why so hostile?

C’mon Machida fans lets sing along:

We are the champions,
We are the champions,
No time for losers (Shogun, Intro, Roy, John, Tapout),
Cause we are the champions of the world!!!

Machida may have lost clearly but all of the constant thread hijacks have pissed me off so there’s my trolling, lets look forward to the rematch between the best 2 LHWs in MMA instead of whining about the decision in every thread.

To be fair to Shogun he was really classy in defeat and Machida was far from boastful about the win (unlike Froch and Bisping after their robbery wins) so both men have gone up in my estimation and I can’t wait for them to fight again. It’s a shame that all of the Shogun fans can’t discuss anything else, I agree with your scoring as I had it as the same but there’s no need to complain in every thread with the same posts over and over again it’s boring.

Roy…Fighters don’t decide decisions in fights, judges do and 3 of them said Machida won, WHOOOOOOOO!

jay thats the problem isn’t it. you trust some old ass juge who knows nothing about mma over pros who have competed in it there whole life. sad.

Pride rules? Shogun wins.

Current rules? Shogun wins

Current judging machida wins

just kidding i thought you mite like that one.

Either rules, Machida gets his leg and face busted up.

i liked it because its the truth of what happened. shogun won even with the ufc rules, its the judges that f#cked up!!

True dat! But the PRIDE judging system was much more realistic and fair. As I’ve been saying for years, the round-by-round 10 pt must system is fundamentally flawed on a conceptual level. Imagine scoring baseball on who won more innings or basketball or football on who won more quarters instead of the total number of points scored. It’s arbitrary and assinine!

yeah pride judging was alot better, its alot more fair to fighters to judge the fight as a whole

Agreed with jared.

The theory behind PRIDE judging is better, BUT, have you guys ever watched PRIDE and DREAM and WVR and …. THey have some of the WORST decisions ever! Crooked judges!

I can’t argue with you there ViolentMike. PRIDE had deep Yakuza ties and was obviously corrupt and the refs and judges had obvious favorites. And no system will every be tamper-proof. But the PRIDE system was a more sound and realistic way of deciding who really won a fight.

I admit when I’m wrong which happens frequently….
Shogun beat Machida worse in the last 2 rounds then Macida beat Shogun for the 1st 3….but that’s the problem, Machida won the first 3 rounds, Shogun last 2. Round by round Machida but Shogun gave the bigger beat down.

Your logic won’t dissuade the Shogun fans but I appreciate your honesty.

Well close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. Close doesn’t win fights!

and? you said he will never be champ thats pretty bold considering he should be now and there will be a rematch.

So you think he has a 50% success rate? Not that I think he was wrong on this one but why don’t you look up the actual numbers and see how many decisions he has right vs suspect. How often do you make mistakes at your job?

The only reason people know Peoples’ name is because he gets them wrong so often.

Getting it right a lot of the time is no excuse for screwing it up often.

Do you want a surgeon that only botches 25% of his surgeries? The 75% would not excuse the 25%.

So you are going with 75% of his calls are incorrect?

Dude, even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day……

That was a good one Shogun has whining fans. Oh sorry Shoguns Hairy Forearms, my bad.

Agreed Slimbob. There’s always some1. No one on here knows his actual success rate vs suspect. Especially since half the suspect are just that.

This is more a case of Terrell Owens’itis’/ Vince Carter’itis’/ Denis rodman’itis’, where its just easier to never let it go, no matter if they turn into very nice ppl, or better athletes, or worse, or never get injured again, or anything.

He’s now in the lime light, & the recognized name for mma judging. Therefore because he does judge so many, he makes more mistakes. And you better not upset a Shogun fan, cause they’ve just proven they’re damned worse babie than bk Penn fans! That’s a scary, scary thought.

Cecil hit Shogun with a chair from behind and Machida covered Shogun for the 1,2,3 count…

so you admit it was cecils fault?

Shogun made the cardinal mistake of a wrestler…never turn your back to anyone who is ringside.

hahahaa

Machida aint done that in the UFC though has he!

Infact doesn’t he have a perfect record with double figures worth of U/Ds!!!!!

Yeah, get the takedown in the last 30 seconds of a round to go from a 9-10 to a 10-9. Judges love that.

Grab hold of your opponent’s back so it looks like you’re arse raping him then you’ll get a SD but have a right to complain for not getting a UD even if your only offense was said arse rape. That is the Guida school of decisions, he’s only in an exciting fight when he’s getting beaten up for 15 minutes (Diego) or his opponent overcomes the clay and gray strategy (Huerta).

@n4tacon – i think of the opposite, hell be more harder to beat now coz he’ll be training for more elusive moves this time (back up, run away), now he knows that when he counters he gets countered, and now he also knows that if he can hit his opponent 1-2 times per round (in the face that is), the belt stays with him…

Perhaps, I trust my own instincts you see so I guess I already knew I thought Shogun won. But I was being as objective as possible. But I’m sorry, Machida predominanatly landed slaps whereas Shogun predominantly landed power thuds!! And twice as many…..