I have never een a rampage fan, but this is te only sensible thing I have heard him say…..well nearly sensible. If you take out ufc and put in athletic commision in each of his sentances then they guys got a point, not sure if it’s the point he is trying to make but he has got something none the less. Time to have a proper look at mma rules and judging and let’s get it sorted.

Hang on a minute panic… “can’t fight”.

Are you kidding me. Fair enough you don’t like the guy and you have your reasons but, Arona, Chuck, Lindland, Jardine, Wand and Hendo might disagree with you on that one!

Rampage is still a beast with the best boxing in the UFC added to wrestling skills, strength and a heck of a chin. He will be back to reap havoc on 205 by the start of next year.

Rampage is a douche. Takes some balls to talk sh*t about a main event with 2 guys that Rampage has no chance of beating.

Go back to ducking all the competition that you know you can’t beat, and playing bumpercars on the beltway ass!!!

He does not have the best boxing, thats just a joke. He has pure strength and a solid chin. Terrible game planning and he doesn’t use his assets to his max. His wrestling is widely under used and it seems he doesn’t even train for the ground game anymore. His boxing is not the best because he was out boxed by Forrest. Rampage is just a pure power fighter and its hard to take that kind of punishment in the ring. Someone like Randy Couture, Rashad Evans, or Machida would have an easier time facing him because he’s predictable and they are great game planners in fights.

10 years in the sport yet the man still knows nothing about it. First of all everyone knows that no one listens to hardcore fans. The judges don’t work for the UFC. Commissions don’t overturn judges decisions unless the error was due to miscalculation or a positive test -“no remedy” is the usual “we prefer not to do our jobs” answer. This is why fighters should not be judges or refs, people. All we can hope for is someone of merit coming in and overhaul the entire commissions. Cull all these dinosaur boxing judges and officials and replace them. Hire new ones who are not related to anyone at any commission and have actual training like BJ McCarthy’s COMMAND program, etc.

agreed Nick J

don’t leave it in the hands of the judges.. nobodys fault but shoguns.
machida still champ and shouldn’t take a rematch cause he won and did not get ko’ed or submitted.
thats it end of that ufc 104 in the books

agree with the first part but the book is far from closed…a rematch is def needed before anyone else is awarded a shot

good post Nick J! nothing more immature when fans cant seperate THE FIGHTER from his skills! FYI: I am happy that Rampage is speaking out about the judging and I agree with this entire quote except for when he said the main event was boring. Take away the BS decision and to me that was one of the most entertaining fights that I had ever seen. I loved the strategy. I wish more fighters would follow rampage’s footsteps and say something about the judging and how it needs to change. Unless the fans and fighters speak up, nOTHING wil ever change. Like Quinton I have recently been able to turn my friends into new UFC fans, and I was really embarressed Saturday night when the decision was announced!

Mikeybear: enough with that tired ass BS statement! Im sick of hearing it. Truth be told, not every single fight can end in a KO or a submission and when it goes to the decision its the JUDGES responsibility to get it right! and thats REAL TALK!

Who has better boxing Cogito?

I disagree that he got out boxed by Forrest, he was out struck yes but that was through leg strikes not boxing.

In terms of slipping/rolling punches and throwing tidy combos he is right up there, watch the Wand KO in slow motion if you doubt me.

The fact of the matter is ‘boxing’ in MMA is like a lot of the other forms of fighting, tweeked for the sport. Real boxing relies heavily on the size of the gloves for defence. Obviously you can’t do that in MMA.

Rampage has worked with what he can bring from boxing and utalises it very well.

I think Machida would be too smart for him but could see him KOing Randy and Rashad could go either way IMO but I would favour Page judging on Titos fight with Rashad, if Tito could manhandle him then Rampage can.

Kinda lame to talk about how boring Machida is, when win or lose, he certainly did a lot better against Shogun than Rampage did. haha

Nick J, Rampage in a boxing match would lose handily to:
Anderson Silva
Lyoto Machida
Big Nog(HW I know)
Shogun
Banha
 
Guys who are too small to compete with him but have better technical boxing skills:
Marcus Davis
BJ Penn
GSP

Rampage has a good chin but hasn’t thrown a jab in 5 years, and doesn’t move his feet well. He can throw hooks all day long and just stand in the pocket knowing he is hard to knock out. But in a boxing match he is badly outclassed by a lot of fighters. He might beat them in a boxing match, but it wouldn’t be because he is the better boxer. Having a solid chin is his best and perhaps only attribute.

who cares what an actor has to say?

you could have put lil nog up there instead of big nog, both have sick boxing but lil nog is in page’s weight class.

Rampage is an idiot. I still cant believe that he is afraid to fight Rashad.

Jay I couldn’t have said it any better. I wasn’t sure I was allowed to name better lighter boxers but you got em down. Rampage got kicked so many times by Forrest because his legs are like trees attached to the earth. He normally telegraphs his punches just because he puts so much power behind them. To be honest a boxer will try to wear you down, Rampage just tries for the one hit KO. If he had the best boxing skills in the UFC he’d be one scary monster but that said, he is just a powerful man with a strong chin. Physically dominating and though he could beat Rashad and Randy, I think his game planning gives them just as much chance of beating him. If it was Randy on top of Rampage instead of Forrest it might have ended right there.

I can’t believe you guys are saying that GSP, Banha, Shogun, and Lyoto have better boxing than Rampage. All around striking, yes. Better boxing, no. You can say all you want about him being slow blah blah, but you’re quite obviously hating. He’s a great athlete that doesn’t move nearly as slow as you guys like to say. He doesn’t check kicks, that’s it. He has great head movement, great boxing defense, and slips and counters better than anyone else(from a pure boxing standpoint, I certainly don’t think he’s the best counterstriker). He moves well and doesn’t stand in there and rely on his chin as much as you’re trying to make it sound. He does a fantastic job of slipping and blocking punches. He definitely doesn’t use his wrestling enough, but Hendo couldn’t control him on the ground, I don’t see Rashad being able to. He did take Jardine down a couple times(which was the first time I can remember him taking it to the ground in a long time). Hate on him for being obnoxious, a shitty coach, or whatever, but at least keep it real about his fighting skills. Having a better jab does not equal having better boxing.

Not to mention saying he got out-boxed by Forrest is laughable.

I’m telling you flat out right now he does not have the best boxing in the UFC. I will go back and review the tapes to be fair about it with unbias but Hardy and Marcus alone already have better boxing than he does. I’m telling you the best boxer in the UFC would at least be able to explain it to another person and it would reflect in his coaching. but you know I will review his fights even back to his pride days just to confirm it. its better to be safe than sorry.

The Judges have the responsibility to choose the fighter, I like, to win!
I was watching the fight drunk with my friends and talking on the cell phone, but my score is the correct one!

Cogito-not saying he has the best boxing in the UFC, but it’s most certainly top 5.

Diceman standing with your feet planted throwing left and right hooks with your eyes closed is not boxing. Unless of course you are on the set of a Rocky movie.

KO Wandy & Chuck you have to have good striking as far as being the best no but he has good striking with the power wich puts him above some of the best. Sure GSP has good striking when is the last time he KO someone out. With the power & boxing strikes rampage is has to be considered for the top five he doesn’t move like a boxer because he is willing to trade with anyone.

PUCK head that isnt saying much, who hasnt KOD chuck or wandy between those two can they have lost 11 of their last 13 fights. rampage has terrible fotwork, is flatfooted, and is so slow, rashad would run circles around him, and shogun would destroy him far worse than last time they fought

There was a time when KOing Chuck and Wandy was considered damn near impossible, but yeah, both of their chins are weak now. Wand had a good chin in his prime, and Chuck’s was made out of pure granite. To be fair, Page is the only guy I ever seen hurt Chuck bad in his prime. No one else seemded to even faze him.

jay-Actually go back and watch him fight again. He does not stand nearly as flat footed as people on here always like to make it sound. Watch his grappling with Hendo, watch the way he was moving in and out at the beginning of the Wand fight. Rampage is a GREAT athlete, and to say he’s slow and all that shit is ridiculous. You guys are taking him not checking kicks in the Forrest fight and trying to turn Page into this one dimensional, slow, sluggish guy with nothing but heavy hands and a solid chin. That’s a terrible assessment of his skills, and it’s not accurate at all. His footwork isn’t even that bad. Who has he gotten tooled by on the feet that makes you think he’s such a dinosaur? Rashad is a broke man’s Rampage. He wouldn’t be able to do shit to Rampage on the ground, and if you think Rashad is better in the stand up you’re delusional.

Diceman you asked who was a better boxer and I named a few for you. In a BOXING match he would be outclassed. I didn’t say Rampage is slow, he just isn’t as fast as those guys. Saying GSP hasn’t knocked anyone out lately is irrelevant, his boxing fundamentals stand head and shoulders over page. Tell me a boxer, modern day, who will stand in the middle of the ring and throw hay makers. It is not a good boxing strategy. He doesn’t jab, his footwork is middle of the pack, and he knows two punches(right and left hooks). He doesn’t have boxing skills but would win boxing matches due to his chin only.

Diceman, Rampage may be a good scrapper, but he is no athlete. He is lazy and from what I have seen of him trying other sports, he is fairly uncoordinated. He can wrestle and throw loopy punches. GSP is an athlete, Page is a scrapper with a good chin. Nothing more, Nothing less. An athlete can pick up a tennis racket without having seen one and perform a backhand. Or play table tennis, or hit the pins in a bowling alley. Or kick a soccer ball without looking like a girl. Page is no athlete.

If you dont count the second time then count the first, Rampage destroyed chuck, on the feet and on the ground in Pride till his corner threw in the towel. No KO, no Decision, THREW IN THE TOWEL, and that was in his prime when Dana though he would bring in Chuck to clean out pride. I do like Rampage but if you are so biased against him you cant recognize his skill set then you def. shouldnt consider yourself unobjective. Rampage (if he trains) can debatably destroy Rashad but I do agree I dont see him beating either Shogun or Machida without a complete overhaul of his gameplanning. Also to say he is no athlete is a little green. He has successfully fought in many major org.’s. You have to be an athlete to do that. Yes he is lazy but many athletes can also be lazy.

ItsCalledMMAnotUFC- good post.

Page is not an ATHLETE. Tank Abbott has fought for many organizations as well, is he an athlete? An athlete is someone who plays sports or pursues athletic endeavors. Page is a SCRAPPER or a fighter if you will. You might not understand what I mean. I think to be an athlete you have to be athletic and able to do more than one thing. Wayne Gretzky was a hockey player, Micheal Vick is a football player. Dion Sanders is an athlete. Know what I am getting at? You can’t say you are an athlete just because you can throw and take punches. Maybe I am wrong and you guys just meant he is a professional athlete, but than everyone in the UFC is an athlete. Also, nobody who wants to be the best and claims they are the best is lazy except Page. He always has been and always will be.

Jay, first off, I think B.J.Penn is lazier than Page and makes a lot more claims about being the best. Rampage has always said he fights for the money and the fun. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say he fights to be the best or thinks he is #1. I understand what you’re saying but I think you’re defining “athlete” very narrowly. Some athletes are generalists, some are specialists. I think most people here are using the word “athlete” to mean someone who is physically gifted and naturally talented. This differentiates fighters like Rampage and Penn who have achieved success by their natural gifts, from “workhorses” like Kenny Florian and Machida who have succeeded through hard study and discipline. GSP would be an example of both.

Well said shonuff there is no doubt Rampage is an athlete only a fool would say otherwise.

Jay, I see what ur getting at now. I agree Rampage is a fighter. He was awful at BBall on TUF hence I tend to agree with what ur saying about athlete but I also agree with shonuff that he is a specialist and his specialty is MMA. I also agree Penn (and even Liddell) is another example of a lazy practicioner who is also greatly talented naturally. Where I disagree is that if Rampage was not dedicated enough to focus and train in his camps he would not be as successful as he’s been hence the difference between Abbott and Rampage. 5 rounds with Hendo is a testament to his training. No amount of talent or heart would keep you in the cage that long and win if you’re not dedicated in camp. Now people like Florian, GSP they still have the hunger. That’s a whole different story altogether and something that gives a fighter staying power and lets em reach new levels of ability. For me the verdict is out on Machida. He’s been great but there is a chink in his armour. Now lets see what he does about it……….

And thats called heart well said ICMMAnUFC.

Rampage should be more “ashamed” of himself for there is no chance in hell that he will defeat the two people in that main event he was referring!

I used to think Rampage was just getting tooled by the more intelligent Rashad Evans during theri verbal battles…now I realize Rampage is just a stupid idiot. He’s been fighting in this sport all these years and still doesn’t realize that the UFC doesn’t hire the judges?? He needs to do HIS homework…his Kindergarten homework. Dumb F*ck

well the point he’s bringing is valid. people watching the ufc for the first time, arent liking what there seeing. and most hardcores arent happy that theres a champ right now, who doesnt deserve to be champ.

Sounds like a woman scorn.

he does but so do a lot of these posters who are whining about Rampage saying the same things they were saying yesterday…What’s new Mex?

Not much man. Just went through the ordeal of installing Windows 7. I had Vista but my hard drive was messed up and I didn’t have the installation disk, so had to install XP onto a new HD, update the drivers, upgrade, then install drivers again. Other than that, I’m a mile from Lauderdale by the Sea and life is good, man.
How’ve you been.

Mexi, Just flew into FT. Lauderdale Aiport this past weekend and then out on Monday. Went to see Clemson / Miami and Miami/ New Orleans. Stayed at the El Palacio Sports Hotel. Humid as Sh!t down there. I thought Raleigh, NC was humid but now where close. Every year me and old college buddies try to take in a college game and hit the bars. Not many bars where we were. First time taking in a pro game on this type trip, but Landshark is a pretty cool stadium.

F^ck Rampage the UFC has no say in what the judges score the bout you should know that? It’s cool to say who you believe won but why the hell are cutting down the UFC for something they had zero infuence on. Dana has hated many of the judges decisions in past fights but there is nothing him or the UFC can do hell there is nothing us fans can do either it is what it is.

2 of 3 judges at each questionable event. WHo cares if they work for the comission. 1 guy used to be a ref n the UFC. To think you cant persuade a couple of judges no matter who they work for is a little niave. UFC main HQ’s is in Vegas, betting capitol of the world, to think that may not have an effect on decisions i also think is wishful thinking.

LOL yeah I seen the fight as Machida would the same go for my thought? Who is the one guy that worked for the UFC it’s easy to say but I don’t think it would be allowed if so. And second Dana seemed to be pissed at the outcome your just talking sh^t I think man.

Cecil Peoples used to be a ref back in the day in the UFC. Second, I actually do see how an argument could be made for Machida winning, although I dont agree with that assessment. I am just saying, this is what has undone boxing and made it so bitter to watch and the formula is there to be repeated. Betting + professional sports normally are not objective bed fellows and leaves us fans deprived of fair competition. I make no accusations, only entertaining disturbing possibilities……..

Agreed. Dude has no place in MMA. Him, Miragliotta and Maz are neck and neck for worst officials in the sport.

Agree, Mexi. Mazagatti doesn’t know when to stop a fight, always prematue or late. Dan should go easy on his tan and pizza. Cecile Peoples is a corrupted judge.

Hey weren’t you the dude who said Rua wouldn’t even stand a chance against Lyoto? yes yes that was you, welcome back

nice comeback! why do people think rampage sucks now, just because he has a second career choice he’s trying out. rampage is still #2, new shogun is a question mark but rampage has the ability to beat him, machida would get worked and rashad haha yeah okay!

Only reason Rampage is saying nice things about Shogun is because he still has nightmares about the horrific beating that Shogun gave him back in the day and doesn’t want to anger him.

lol so true, shogun did kick old man rampages ass didnt he. that was as one sided beatdown as i have ever seen.

Well Rampage also knocked Forrest down and nearly stopped the fight in all fairness.

well in all fairness, forrest almost stopped rampage in the 2nd when he made him do that funny little dance with a kick to the leg and had him in the full mount. that was the only time in that fight where either fighter was “close” to being stopped.

So you think when Forrest hurt Page with that kick(so badly hurt him that he fought another 3 1/2 rounds I’ll add) that nearly stopped the fight? Riiiight…

not to mention forest wobbled everytime rampage hit him

Rampage was never in any danger of being finished in Rd 2. Forrest dominated because Rampage didn’t want to get back up. He took the round off to rest his leg. IMO he won every other round, though 5 was pretty even. I could see the fight being scored a tie with Forrest definitely earning a 10-8 in rd 2, but no way you come up with the scores those judges had.

Da Monkey — Absolutely. At the very least, it would have been a split decisions since two judges gave rounds 1-3 to Machida. That was the closest fight I’ve seen in a very long time. And, frankly, some good judging given the circumstances. It could have gone either way, easily.

Legit*

Plus Rua doesn’t speak a word of english. Machida is learning English quickly. Machida has an original style that no one else is using right now. Should I continue?

Funny how all you experts on this site know Rampage so much better than all the people he hangs out with in real life! Dana, Chuck, Forrest, Randy, Florian, Rogan, and every other fighter who I’ve ever seen comment about him says Quinton is one of the nicest guys you could ever want to meet. Even “Titties” said on TUF Aftermath that on the set, “As soon as the cameras are on, that’s when he turns into a big ass, but as soon as the cameras are off, he’s the coolest guy ever.” And all his teammates say, “Yeah, he was a terrible coach, but he’s a great guy.” If everyone who knows him loves him, what makes you guys think you’re qualified to disagree???