UFC 104 post-fight press conference video live
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I have never seen a rigged fight more then the dicesion of mahchida vs SHOGUN. That was the MOST set up decesion version version of a fgight that i have ever seen in my life I will never watch a fight again because of that out come. how can you ever feel that machida won tonight without thinking that SHOGUN won>
by SEAN on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like i’ve been saying all this time since this fight was anounced SHOGUN WILL SHOCK THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And he sure did. All you Machida nuthuggers can say what you want but SHOGUN won this fight period. It’s sad to say that this decision reminds me of what the UFC was soposed to be against of and that’s a boxing kind of bullsh!t result. This was clearly a SHOGUN beatdown of that bullsh1!t Mashida era crap. SHOGUN should be the LHW champ as we speak. I hope DANA sees this and gives SHOGUN a rematch right away. This is the bigest robery i’ve seen in MMA in my hole life, and I’ve been watching this shit since day one(UFC1
by TaPouT on Oct 25, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a Machida fan and I thought it was a bad decision. But then I thought it was funny that all three judges scAored three rounds for Machida. So I watched the fight again as a judge instead of a fan. I counted strikes landed and took into account my perception of their damage. Rounds 1, 3, and 5 were very close. I thought Machida won round 1 and edged 3. What stood out most was the biased commentating. I’m sad to say it affected me the first time I watched. Rogan is a Shogun fan and Goldy can’t think for himself so he followed Rogan’s lead. Anyway, if you give the close rounds to the champ, 48-47 is the score. We’re not used to seeing Machida take damage. He did tonight. Good on Shogun. Shogun was a Cinderella story so it’s easy to pull for the upset, but I’m not sure the judges got it wrong. Either way the decision went, we needed to see a rematch so we don’t have to get too carried away arguing this one. We’re getting to see them fight again and that’s for the best.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why you give the close rounds to champion and not the guy who was being more aggressive
by ffffff on Oct 25, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying I agree with that philosophy, but it seems to be the majority opinion that tie goes to the champ.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea i hate that. Leave that sh!t in boxing. Give the round to whoever fn won it. I was predicting Machida to turn shogun inside out but i was way off. Shogun finally for the first time in his career fought in a technical manner. Keeping great stance, working the body, slowing him down with leg kicks. His work with Dida is really showing right now.
by NameNotRequired on Oct 25, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL……. BISPING VS. HAMILL YOU SHOULD HAVE OF COMMITTED SUICIDE…. I THOUGHT SHOGUN WOULD HAVE WON BUT IT WAS CLOSE AND COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY. BY THE WAY DANNA KEPT PUTTING HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS LIKE A NERVOUS TWITCH. MAN HE HAD SOME PERSONNAL THINGS TO GET OFF OF HIS CHEST. OH WELL… FUCK U DANNA U HUMAN WRECKING BALL…..
CK – OUT !!!!!!!!!!!
by CK1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Punch, I agree about the commentary, even Goldie made a sly remark about Joe’s bias but was too cowardly and useless to go anywhere with it and went back to copying off what Rogan was saying. However, like NNR I think that the idea of giving the champion close rounds is a joke, I hate it in boxing and I hate it in MMA. Whoever fought the best in the round should win it, regardless of who it is. To me the champion excuse is a way to weasel out of controversial decisions and avoid making a proper decision, judges like that should be banned in both MMA and boxing, or else more Machida-Shogun and Froch-Dirrell robberies will happen.
In the last 2 rounds Machida could barely move, for the first time in his career he looked slow and plodding which shows how much damage Shogun did to his legs, right then I conceded the fight to Shogun and I was amazed when Lyoto won the decision. I’m a Machida fan but he lost that fight and I didn’t want to see my man awarded the win in such a cheap way, hopefully he can improve in the rematch, Shogun deserves an immediate one and it keeps the LHW division interesting.
by David W-S on Oct 25, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You give the round to the champ because shogun tried taking Machida down and couldn’t. Look Shogun Was excellent compared to his last fight he was even better than in the Liddell fight. His cardio surprised me. In the end Shogun did not dominate Machida and thats what it takes to win by a decision if he could have dominated him then he should have.
by April on Oct 25, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David, I agree for the most part. Biased announcing made it seem more one way than it was. However, I still think Shogun edged out a very close decision, but they should have both done more in round 5. I’m happy they are fighting again
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted MAchida to win, but was disspointed with the decision as I INITIALLY felt SHOGUN had one.
Was it a clear cut win if either of them got it? HELL NO!
I re watched the fight and simply put, Machida just outscored Shogun by punches.
They each threw an equal amount of kicks at each other, shoguns being more noticable…. but MACHIDA threw all the handwork, whilst I only seen a couple of fist throws from SHOGUn. The facts speak for themselves.
If your looking at who won the fight by the damage received/dealt… then you need to go watch some street fights without judges. If this was a real street fight…. no one would win because they are both standing.
Stop being butthurt and accept the facts and the scoring.
by ED on Oct 25, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL go look at the stats on fight metric and you’ll see SHOGUN WON, BAD DECISIONS happen and Shogun was the victim of some really shitty judging tonight… That’s all.. get over it, your boy lost and got lucky as hell the judges were deaf and blind.
by O damn he got caught on Oct 25, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go to fightmetric.com, shogun clearly won the fight, plus….
FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen — 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp — 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley — 50-45 Rua
by Samb0 on Oct 25, 2009 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that speaks for itself… i mean i had it 49-46 Rua but shit, just looking at this validates everything we’ve been saying
by Anthony on Oct 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello everyone i am a Shogun fan even tho it didnt go his way tonight. He put up a good fight agains Lyoto but i’am not here to argue against the result of the fight as it was so close.
But i will say that i am disapointed in the LA fans well mma fan in general as there is no need to boo when you go to a event. Shogun and Lyoto went into this fight stuck to there gameplan and still the fan boo Lyoto cause he won even if they didn’t agree there is no need to boo one of the best fighter’s in the world be cause you scored it diffrent.
It is just really upsetting to watch all i hope is when i go to ufc 105 that this SHIT dosen’t happnen. As i fell it just go’s to show why other people say that us REAL MMA FAN are just a bunch of drunk blood thirsty idiots which i know a lot of people will agree with me here that we dont want to be looked at like that.
As the sport seems to grow i feel we will only get looked on more badly for it as the people that go to such events cannot be repectful enough of the sport and it fighters. Why is it that a select few give the rest a bad name it is BULLCRAP IMO AND I AM SICK TO THE BACK TEETH OF DRUNKIN FANNYS WREAKING THE REPUTATION OF THE SPORT IN WHICH I LOVE!!!.
by JAMIE THE PEACH on Oct 25, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will nwvwe!!!!that’s never order a pay per-view UFC again…what a friggin rip off!!! UFC has turned into boxing – what a scam!!! Dana White has ruined MMA and ruined great fighters – Shogun won the fight – too bad Dana and his UFC cronies weren’t in the octagon – because that’s who Shogun really needed to defeat…because when it came to fighting – Shogun controlled the action (in a lackluster fight), Machita could barely walk – looked defeated, looked scarred and in the end had to look to Dana and the UFC to keep the title!!! Never again Dana – never will I watch the UFC – it’s other “REAL” MMA organizations for me – I hope the UFC never get Fedor!!!
by Alex on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shogun got robbed!! Everybody knows he won that match. Even if you were going for Machida, you know Shogun had that won!! No good, feels like a rigged boxing match……
by Veronica on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you guys are idiots. Was it a blow out no but machida was not even taken down by shogun obviousley machida was off his game but that still wasn’t enough for shogun to dominate him will love to see the rematch!
by April on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All you have to do is look at Machidas FACE,BODY,AND LEGS and it will say the hole story__SHOGUN got robbed!!!!!!!
F@#K the decision look at SHOGUN and really tell me he lost. BULLSH
by TaPouT on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know that’s not “all you have to do” to correctly judge an MMA fight.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats just one of many factors of why SHOGUN WON. HE was the one pushing the fight, HE was the one landing the most effective strikes, and what did Mashida do absolutely nothing SHOGUN WON with or without the mute button and everyone that isnt a Mashida nuthugger knows it. Mashida era my ass. Let the SHOGUN ERA begin!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TaPouT on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all the exclamation points and statements like “everyone who’s not a Machida nuthugger knows it” says to me your still running on emotion.
For the facts in your statement:
Shogun was pushing the fight. Yes, I agree, but it’s subjective whether or not that should give him the close rounds. Some would say that machida landing more hand strikes while answering most of Shogun’s leg kicks with kicks of his own gives him the round.
As for Shogun landing more effective strikes. I don’t think that can be determined from bruising. Machida landed more head shots (not necessarily the face) which aren’t going to show up visibly.
Finally, what did Machida do? He stuffed every takedown. He answered body kicks with kicks of his own. He mixed knees, elbows, hands, and kicks.
Was I impressed with Machida tonight, no. He seemed off his game. Was I impressed with Shogun, yes. He seemed like he had a great strategy and was in great shape.
Do I think this was one-sided. No. And that’s my logical opinion not my emotional one.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact of the matter is that SHOGUN won this fight ,Machidas hand strikes didnt do as much damage as the counter leg kicks to the body and legs SHOGUN landed. As for Mashida stuffing the takedowns, thats all he really did but that really isnt enough to win a round or fight, at least SHOGUN went for the takedowns instead of just stuffing them. Just look at Machidas face(and body while youre at it) and tell me SHOGUN didnt land some good head strikes. Stop being in denial.
by TaPouT on Oct 25, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re hearing what you want to hear. I haven’t said once that I thought Machida won. I’ve just presented the other side to demonstrate it was a closer fight than some are saying.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida did win, and everyone who thought Shogun won was brainwashed by Rogan’s biased commentary. This is not a conspiracy all three judges scored a Machida victory- it wasn’t even a split decision, so all you gamblers who didn’t win a lot of money betting on Shogun CRY CRY!!!! Hard work makes you money- so eat it!!!
by matt on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree. If you were to watch the fight with the television on mute (so you couldn’t hear rogan choking on Shogun’s nutsack), this would have been a much tougher fight to call. Do I think Machida clearly won? No. Do i think it was close enough to go either way? Absolutely. Also, why do people think that the UFC and Dana White had anything to do with this outcome? The referees and the judges are an independent source. It’s like Dana said, they don’t give a shit what he says. If anything, i think the UFC is to be applauded if they give Shogun an immediate rematch.
by kg on Oct 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the UFC is a fucking lie Machidca won fron a lie! and the UFC llet it hsappen!
by SEAN on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The UFC has absolutely no say in decisions. I’m surprised you visit MMA websites and you don’t know that.
by jay on Oct 25, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Cecil Peoples was a ref in the UFC and I think they also get to decide on Hamilton too. To think they can’t flex a little muscle is a little niave. DOnt get me wrong Im not saying its fixed yet but when I see the fight IN DEPTH and SLO MO for myself then I’ll give my official opinion, but there have been many questionable decisions in UFC history that have ALWAYS gone to the most marketable fighter at the time. Very suspicious to say the least……
by ItsCalledMMAnotUFC on Oct 25, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Shogun wins means a mega fight with Anderson, which means more money for the the UFC
by Robert(1) on Oct 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this supposed to start automatically?
i just want to hear what they have to say about the biggest heist in US business history!!
by Mascarita on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i cant get this shit to start either and i even downloaded that silverlight bullshit
by D-RawK on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I looked at the UFC link and it says it will be up within an hour after PPV
by ENIGMA on Oct 25, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Feel like i payed to judges by buying to PPV that is the most bullshit job i have ever seen. How about we turn MMA into boxing everyone run and take shots in there fight and still get a win!!! you tell me how Mahchida did anything in that fight to win. I will not buy anyother PPV that Mahchida is on! id rather watch Chuck on dancing with the stars
by Drabs on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ONCE AGAIN WE REALLY REALLY NEED TO SEE THE COMPU-STATS ON THIS FIGHT!
by DolFan on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am interested to see those myself.
by naturalshadow on Oct 25, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:) Have you read these post? Do you think people REALLY want to know?
by DolFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. haha
by naturalshadow on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DolFan…I agree about the compu-stats…I don’t think it was as big as a mismatch as people think. The announcing really factors into what is actually going on. I am one of those fans that thought Machida was going to rape Rua but I still don’t feel he trully won the fight. Like I said earlier also I do not think Machida defended with any urgency. Hopefully we will get a rematch with more then just leg kicks and occasional combos by both fighters….
by Da Monkey on Oct 25, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a machida fan , it was close, i have to give it to shogun tho! i was impressed with shogun in this fight, only thing i can come up with is they were looking at machida stuffing the takedown attempts or the punches landed. without watching again and again and again i gotta say shogun won this fight
by TheDragon on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ROBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE IS NO MACHIDA ERA…………….
by trilpleleo on Oct 25, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Totaly agree trepleleo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TaPouT on Oct 25, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow you guys are going off the deep end. Watch the fight again on mute and sit with paper and pen and score this fight. You could argue one way or another but you guys are acting childish. Machida got closer to ending the fight with strikes.
by kibbled_bits on Oct 25, 2009 2:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MR. kibbled_bits………WTF are U thinking?
I watched it againg in slow motion and there is
no doubt Shogun won….
So STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
by trilpleleo on Oct 25, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You watched a 25 minute fight in slow motion? You should still be in front of your tv.
by naturalshadow on Oct 25, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya i agree, i personally thought shogun won but when it when to the judges i thought it was close enough that it could have went either way.
by jesse on Oct 25, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched it in a loud restaurant and couldn’t hear the commentary. I think Shogun won that fight.
But I’m not believing the conspiracy theories, or grabbing my pitch fork and torch. It was a close fight. But I saw Shogun pushing the action, landing the more meaningful strikes, and doing the most damage.
Machida had that great flurry in the 3rd, but it didn’t look like he hurt Shogun or came close to finishing.
The dude had to keep changing his stance because his ribs and legs were getting abused.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it, (excluding the purely emotional posts), it comes down to if you think tie goes to the champ or tie goes to the aggressor.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
round by round go back and count shots. give more credit to powerful shots. There are three close rounds in that fight. It you call those Machida’s, he won. If not, he lost.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also why should being the champ give someone any special consideration in terms of judging? Being the champ is a symbol of previous accomplishments. The judging should be about the fight that is being judged at the time.
So to answer your question more directly. The tie should go to the aggressor.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida kept having to change his stance because of damage taken.
Again I never heard the commentary. Gave Shogun 2, 4 and 5, based on being the aggressor, controlling the action more (going for takedowns, pressing Machida against the cage, going for the clinch), landing the more meaningful strikes.
Gave Machida 3, based on the flurry at the end being the most meaningful action in a close round.
Round 1 was a coin flip.
Look I like Machida, and a hate this situation. But it was a bad decision, pure and simple.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree for the most part MongoMan. It’s too bad someone didn’t come out stronger in round 5. It would have made it a lot easier to call.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they stuck to their gameplans to the bitter end.
If the rematch happens hopefully it doesn’t end in a mess like this.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BISPING VS. HAMILL WAS THE EXACT SAME CALL…. I THOUGHT SHOGUN WOULD HAVE WON BUT IT WAS CLOSE AND COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY. BY THE WAY DANNA KEPT PUTTING HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS LIKE A NERVOUS TWITCH. MAN HE HAD SOME PERSONAL THINGS TO GET OFF OF HIS CHEST. OH WELL… FUCK U DANNA U HUMAN WRECKING BALL…..
CK – OUT !!!!!!!!!!!
by CK1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anyone that can translate this?
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea lemme help you:
CK1: “My d!ck don’t even work man, come on; man I don’t sh!t, man, come on man…”
by O damn he got caught on Oct 25, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on Mongo, I agree with everything that you’ve said and that’s exactly how I scored the fight. There’s going to be a rematch anyway and if this has a decisive ending then this fight won’t matter in the long run.
by David W-S on Oct 25, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you kibbled. Only about 10% of people are able to do what your asking. That is, look at it unbiased and score it on mute. I did. It made a huge difference. I can’t call Machida the clear winner, but it made a huge difference to do what you suggested.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was there (with a good view) so I didn’t hear any of the commentary…everyone by me thought shogun won as did I. It seemed that machida won rounds 1 and 3 while shogun seemed to take 2 and 4, the tie breaker for us was round 5 which shogun I think clearly won. But it was a hard one to judge. For the most part I gave shogun rounds 2 and 4 because he was being more aggressive, not necessarily because he was clearly winning the round, sometimes it looked rather even but the tie breaker should always be who is more aggressive
by ffffff on Oct 25, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will be the last UFC fight I ever order. I have been to 13 events and will not attend another. Shogun won hands down. During exchanges Machida was not landing anything clean. Shogun was. I was a Machida fan, when you lose, man up and admit…“tonight I was outfought”. A re-match will have Shogun pushing forward to “prove” his win and he will get caught with a lucky shot. There is no way to beat the politics and marketing in the UFC of today.
by MMA Fighter on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL…… GOOD STAY OUT YOU WHINEY BITCH. BISPING VS. HAMILL YOU SHOULD HAVE OF COMMITTED SUICIDE…. I THOUGHT SHOGUN WOULD HAVE WON BUT IT WAS CLOSE AND COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY.
by CK1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha I made a joke about that in the results recap thread. Seriously it was a poor decision, even Machida himself seemed surprised that he got the win, as long as there is an immediate rematch with a fairer outcome then this judging debacle won’t matter.
by David W-S on Oct 25, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAS HE THE AGGRESOR??? no
DID HE LAND MORE??? NO
ANY TAKEDOWNS?? NO
ANY SUBMISSIONS ATTEMPTS?? NO
DID HE LAND MORE KICKS???? NOS
HOW DID HE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by trilpleleo on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume you have the compu-stats. PLEASE POST THEM.
by DolFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there were several exchanges where both guys landed blows that Rogan only commented on Shogun’s.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TAPOUT, YOU’RE THE MAN
YOU KNOW WHAT’S REALLY GOING ON HERE….
THIS IS SO UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!1
by trilpleleo on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear u man this is a total robbery! Mashida era my ass just look at his face,body and legs and that will tell you everything. Glad you see it how it really is tripleleo!!!!!!!
by TaPouT on Oct 25, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive never seen such a robbery its shameful what fight were these judges watching I can not believe this crap jeremy jackson needs towatch this fight again cuz I think he and the judges were watching the same fight
by denni on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just listened to the fight with the picture off….Shogun won
I just watched the fight muted….Shogun won
I just read the play by play….Shogun won
I just read it in brail….Shogun won
I am going to try watching it on my computer by digitally removing Shogun, I think Machida has a chance that way
by MMA Fighter on Oct 25, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree trying to Blame Rogan for this is silly and dumb, I was so nervous I wasn’t even listening and thought Shogun Won 3 rounds
by Robert(1) on Oct 25, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh hey, what’s up guys. Oh, was there a fight on tonight? Cool, who won?
by just some dong on Oct 25, 2009 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont even think i have to say anything, but i will. I am the biggest Shogun fan. Its not Machidas fault, even he knew he lost. Tonight, i feel robbed. I dont give a shit if yall call me gay or whatever, but i shed a tear tonight, the first time ever over a fight. This is on the real and i dont give a shit.
We have seen shitty decisions in the past, boxing, mma you name it. If people dont think that this is the biggest robbery of all time, then i dont even know what to say to them. I planned on getting on here tonight and typing up a curse word storm from hell, but i changed my mind after i calmed down. AM i pissed? yes, but im more sad and hurt and i feel like crap. I feel so bad for Shogun, the work he put in,to see him in his locker room in what looked like in tears, just to have his dream taken away from some idiot judges who should never have the right to work in MMA ever again. Cecil Peoples should be banned from all combat sport judging for life.
I was so upset that I vowed to boycott MMA for a while because i felt that it was the only true and honest combat sport left , but after tonight, im confused and hurt. AM i going to stop watching MMA, no im not. I love it, but something fied from me tonight for MMA and something was taken away from the sport tonight by some IDIOT judges and it will be a while before i can get hype for another fight. Thats on the real. Does the UFC care if i watch or not? Probably not, and its not their fault or Machida, I love the UFC, MMA and i even like Machida. BUt man, i feel empty right now. I feel like it will be a while before i can honestly sit down, order a UFC PPV and get hype for it. Why? So the clear winner can be robbed if his title again?
Dana, if you have any say over this, please make an immediate rematch. Well in all honesty, i wish you would overturn it because i dont think Shogun should have to fight again. He clearly won. He knew it, the fans knew it, Machidas fans knew it, and even Machida knows it.
Again, im confused and hurt tonight. I feel like we have all been robbed, not just Shogun, even though he showed so much class after the fight.
Sincerley,
a heartbroken MMA fan
by manalito on Oct 25, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I knew someone was going to type that. I would use the word dramatic. Watch a few John Wayne movies over the weekend to bring toughen you back up a bit.
by naturalshadow on Oct 25, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call you gay, but only because you use the phrase “on the real”
by just some dong on Oct 25, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!! WOW…… TWO NAMES. BISPING VS. HAMILL……. STOP GETTING ON THE INTERNET SLOPPED… FEED YOUR KITTENS.
by CK1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am still shocked. What a disgrace to the sport. Retract that damn belt!!
by Slam City on Oct 25, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was close and they will fight again. That’s the light at the end of all this. They fight again!
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Oct 25, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THERE IS NO MACHIDA ERA…..
F**CK KARATE ERA……
THIS IS MMA!!!!!!!!
SHOGUN IS THE MAN
by trilpleleo on Oct 25, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God I hope to see it. Take out all opinions. SHOW US THE NUMBERS!
by DolFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont even think i have to say anything, but i will. I am the biggest Shogun fan. Its not Machidas fault, even he knew he lost. Tonight, i feel robbed. I dont give a shit if yall call me gay or whatever, but i shed a tear tonight, the first time ever over a fight. This is on the real and i dont give a shit.
We have seen shitty decisions in the past, boxing, mma you name it. If people dont think that this is the biggest robbery of all time, then i dont even know what to say to them. I planned on getting on here tonight and typing up a curse word storm from hell, but i changed my mind after i calmed down. AM i pissed? yes, but im more sad and hurt and i feel like crap. I feel so bad for Shogun, the work he put in,to see him in his locker room in what looked like in tears, just to have his dream taken away from some idiot judges who should never have the right to work in MMA ever again. Cecil Peoples should be banned from all combat sport judging for life.
I was so upset that I vowed to boycott MMA for a while because i felt that it was the only true and honest combat sport left , but after tonight, im confused and hurt. AM i going to stop watching MMA, no im not. I love it, but something fied from me tonight for MMA and something was taken away from the sport tonight by some IDIOT judges and it will be a while before i can get hype for another fight. Thats on the real. Does the UFC care if i watch or not? Probably not, and its not their fault or Machida, I love the UFC, MMA and i even like Machida. BUt man, i feel empty right now. I feel like it will be a while before i can honestly sit down, order a UFC PPV and get hype for it. Why? So the clear winner can be robbed if his title again?
Dana, if you have any say over this, please make an immediate rematch. Well in all honesty, i wish you would overturn it because i dont think Shogun should have to fight again. He clearly won. He knew it, the fans knew it, Machidas fans knew it, and even Machida knows it.
Again, im confused and hurt tonight. I feel like we have all been robbed, not just Shogun, even though he showed so much class after the fight.
Sincerley,
a heartbroekn MMA fan
by manalito on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shogun is champion. Lyoto knows he lost. Just man up and hand the belt over!!
by Slam City on Oct 25, 2009 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey, you nuthuggers, cry and bitch some more and give your loser shogun more of a bad name. You’re so disrespectful and pathetic. Cry to someone that cares…..lmfao. Trying watching MMA, this isn’t PRIDE style losers.
by Dman08723489 on Oct 25, 2009 2:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
F KARATE ERA….
THIS IS MMA!!!!!!!!!
MACHIDA DID NOT IMPRESSED ME AT ALL…
SHOGUN WAS INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by trilpleleo on Oct 25, 2009 2:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shogun owned machida in this fight. elusive my ass, machida was red and blue all over.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 25, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Karate does have it’s place in mma, it has nothing to do with the fight that just took place.
Judges do need a new pair of eyes though, as a Machida fan I think he won maybe 1 round. Shogun totally won that fight.
It’s nobody’s fault but the judges, blame it on friggin’ talibans if you want, but the only ones to blame are the judges.
Rematch will happen that’s for sure.
by Damaxyz on Oct 25, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy Sh@T! Where did all these Sheeple come from?
by DolFan on Oct 25, 2009 2:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think when it comes to Championship bouts, the fight should keep going until there is a KO, TKO or submission. Let them go round after round, someone will gas and lose.
I don’t blame the judges for giving Machida the win. Shogun did not do anything besides add up points on body kicks with no real game plan to get a decisive victory.
Machida fought the fight he normally does, but could not get that opening he was looking for because of the constant leg kicking.
Shogun did a good job of keeping himself out of harms’ way, but he did not WIN this match. You have to beat the man, to be the man.
by Mr Niceguy on Oct 25, 2009 2:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The question has to be asked.
This is a sport, why should the champ have special privileges that give them an automatic win in the event of a close contest?
It invites the champ to not truly engage or put themselves in harms way, run the entire time and you won’t lose. Because you haven’t been “beat”.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn man I hope Shogun knows and can somehow feel that 99% of the people who watched the fight thinks he won it. The other 1% are the judges and the Machida fans who actually spent the money to sign up for karate and now feel stupid training with a bunch of 10 year olds and won’t admit their idol has lost. Come on Machida you know you lost yourself be a true champ and give Shogun the belt!
by Kayo on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MR NICEGUY YOU SHOULD SHARE A GLASS OF PISS WITH MACHIDA
by danoblk on Oct 25, 2009 2:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Shogun have a site?? Someone find it so we can crown a new LHW champion.
by Slam City on Oct 25, 2009 2:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MRNICEGUY and DOLFAN explain to me how Machida tried to end the fight? Ohhh you must be talking about the little 2 second flurries that Shogun succesfully blocked and countered. Did Machida even hurt Shogun or even give him a mark on his body? NOPE
by Kayo on Oct 25, 2009 2:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck the judges, fuck Machida, and fuck Dana White for setting up a fixed BS decision
by stevia on Oct 25, 2009 2:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana has nothing to gain and everything to lose by fixing fights.
Machida did not score his own fight.
The judges…well. I just wish that they would be made available after the fights to the media. So that way they would have to answer questions about why they scored things the way they did.
It would help us understand if they are seeing different things than we are. Or if they truly are that retarded.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The judges gave the win to Machida because it was smart thing to do from a business perspective. You people are fools if you think MMA is more honest than any other sport.
Dana White wants to make the UFC bigger than the NFL. It makes much more sense to keep the belt on an undefeated household name that did not lose by KO, TKO or submission, rather than give the belt to some no-name MMA fighter, that only hardcore fans of MMA know and appreciate based solely on points.
This sport will never be viewed with respect in the boxing world, if the belt changes hands on first title defenses back to back.
Shogun only deserved that belt if he won by KO, TKO or submission and thats the bottom line. Whine and cry about ROBBERY all you want. The only thing robbed was your “right of entitlement” to think you know more than the judges.
by Mr Niceguy on Oct 25, 2009 2:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“The judges gave the win to Machida because it was smart thing to do from a business perspective.”
They “gave” it to him? You don’t believe he won?
“This sport will never be viewed with respect in the boxing world, if the belt changes hands on first title defenses back to back.”
Now there’s a bunch of people that believe it was rigged. I don’t personally. But how can this impression get respect from anyone?
“It makes much more sense to keep the belt on an undefeated household name that did not lose by KO, TKO or submission, rather than give the belt to some no-name MMA fighter, that only hardcore fans of MMA know and appreciate based solely on points.”
That’s somehow better than having a fan base believing the champ really got beat?
“Shogun only deserved that belt if he won by KO, TKO or submission and thats the bottom line.”
So a decision defaults to the champ always?
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Champion does not have to beat the contender. The Champion’s job is to RETAIN the belt. The contender must BEAT the Champion. Do I think the Champion should be held in a higher regard on decision victories? YES. IF you wanna make the title go from person to person like a venereal disease, then give the belt to any person who lasts 5 rounds. With that being said, I do think Shogun earned himself a rematch.
by Mr Niceguy on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The flip side to that is that it allows the champ to do just enough to stalemate a contest to retain.
A championship is about past accomplishments.
The judging should be fair for both contestants, not skewed toward the champion.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MRDUMBASS you are an idiot!!!! Haha you just admitted that Shogun really won that fight and it doesn’t matter how many times the title gets passed around. For it to be LEGIT you give it to the better man lol you are stupid
by Kayo on Oct 25, 2009 3:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kayo, some people would find YOU to be the idiot for lambasting people for having differing opinions on something as stupid as a UFC main event. I believe Shogun won some rounds on points, but I do not believe Shogun DOMINATED this fight, nor am I jumping on this Shogun bandwagon. It was a close fight, but he did not do enough to win. So quit sniveling and get over it.
by Mr Niceguy on Oct 25, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what to think here, Machida didn’t look like himself tonight. Dana will hear the complaints, I’m sure we will see a rematch and it will be an epic fight.
You rarely see a company as transparent as the UFC, let’s not blame the UFC or MMA at all, it’s the judges and refs that did this.
I’m off to watch this fight 5 or 10 more times now, I gotta figure out what happened here.
by itsmiguel on Oct 25, 2009 3:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was the biggest robbery i have seen i think in any sport.. um i still cant believe it that it was that rigged.. with all due respect i had shogun with unanimous victory..machida ran alot missed alot he was quick n people think he connected but he actually didnt, i mean shogun was not tired or hurt..i am refusing to buy ppv mainevents from now and i have 3 friends who feel the same and family members saying their done with the ufc.. unless ufc change this mistake by giving the belt to shogun n machida challenging for it again..i am not even interested in a rematch unless they somehow switch the ufc lhw title holder
by george q on Oct 25, 2009 3:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the contender is “that good”, he will not allow the Champion to try and pull off a stalemate.
by Mr Niceguy on Oct 25, 2009 3:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the champ is “that good”, he should be able to retain without stalemating.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All shogun had in this fight were leg and body kicks he couldnt take Machida down, he didnt really throw many punches, and he never had Machida in trouble at any point. I was shocked at the end because I felt watching it they would have given it to Shogun because of all the leg kicks he landed. But leg kicks dont win fights people, Machida was def. out striking him on the punching and landed some nice knees to the body that hurt Rua at some points.
So watch it again and think like a judge Machida had him beat on the punching but then shogun had him with the leg kicks and they both had good body strikes. But like I said before shogun never had machida rocked yes those legs were def. hurting machida but thats it really. At some points it looked like machida had shougun rocked with a couple of punches, so i would say that factors in alot in the judges eyes and why he won.
by MadCap3 on Oct 25, 2009 3:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree Machida fought a horrible fight. But, if the Champion is not defeated without a shadow of doubt, he should not lose the belt. A decision victory leaves a shadow of doubt. Which is why I think Shogun deserves a rematch despite LOSING to Machida.
by Mr Niceguy on Oct 25, 2009 3:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So when Randy beat up Timmy for 25 minutes? Timmy should have retained because he was champ and wasn’t finished?
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timmy was completely dominated throughout that fight and should have lost via TKO because there were times when he wasn’t even intelligently defending himself. So its apples to oranges on that comparison.
by Mr Niceguy on Oct 25, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re the one that said KO, TKO or submission only to get a title.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
machida doesn’t look like a guy who just won a fight.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 25, 2009 3:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!! SHIT HAPPENS. THAT’S WHY PRO’S JUDGE THE EVENT. DANNA IS FUCKED UP BY HIS RESPONSES.
by CK1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Forrest Griffin taking the belt from Rampage…did he really beat the champion..hell no!! All hail the “Machida Er-ror”.
by Slam City on Oct 25, 2009 3:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
It was only a matter of time until someone opened that wound.
by MongoMan on Oct 25, 2009 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lyoto won that fight but it was very close..He landed more decisive strikes when they engaged and he tried to finish the fight atleast 4 times..Shogun just peppered him with leg kicks but also received counter strikes from Machida when he attacked..Those leg kicks did some damage but Shogun should’ve attempted to finish the fight..He knew he wouldn’t be ablt to hit Machida in the face so he used leg kicks but to me they weren’t just decisive enough to win the fight. Machida 1,3,5 Rua 2,4
by daftmania on Oct 25, 2009 3:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!! CLOSE FIGHT !!!! SHOGUN GOT STUFFED ON ALOT OF TAKE DOWN ATTEMPTS SO THAT SWAYED THE FIGHT. NICE LEG KICKS BY SHOGUN BIGTIME BUT MACHIDA LANDED ABOUT THE SAME SO I GIVE THE EDGE TO MACHIDA HE STUFFED ALOT OF TAKE DOWN ATTEMPTS. GET OVER IT. IT WAS A GREAT FIGHT, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT A REMATCH, YOU GOT IT !!!!!!!
by CK1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rua won the fight and Machida LOST! Not only did Machida lose, but Machida lost his legs and ribs to Rua. Niceguy is simply a Machida nuthugger!!
by HUH? on Oct 25, 2009 3:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Machida lost the fight and all of the fans in the arena know it, so do all of the Machida nuthuggers! Shogun Rua is the real LHW Champ!!
by HUH? on Oct 25, 2009 3:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL……. BISPING VS. HAMILL I THOUGHT SHOGUN WOULD HAVE WON BUT IT WAS CLOSE AND COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY. BY THE WAY DANNA KEPT PUTTING HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS LIKE A NERVOUS TWITCH. MAN HE HAD SOME PERSONNAL THINGS TO GET OFF OF HIS CHEST. OH WELL… FUCK U DANNA U HUMAN WRECKING BALL…..
CK – OUT !!!!!!!!!!! PRAISE FEDOR
by CK1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HOW ABOUT THAT BIG CAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
by CK1 on Oct 25, 2009 3:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SHOGUN is a very obvious great fighter, as the machida fans even say… What is sad is that Machida fans say SHOGUN won the fight… We saw the fight and we know who is the real UFC LHW Champion 2009 MAURICIO SHOGUN RUA…
WAR SHOGUN!!!
by N1SHOGUNRUAFAN on Oct 25, 2009 4:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for those who have been to a live ufc event, are the hosts’ voices (rogan) broadcast to the audience? i watched the ppv, but scored the fight at the least 3-2 shogun, likely 4-1. i’m curious how rogan’s commentary affected my decision. i’m usually good about being objective and not letting the commentary getting to me. that why im wondering if the audience heard anything (because they sure as hell boo’ed at the decision too).
by ryan on Oct 25, 2009 4:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i say no rematch and shogun should appeal with the california athletic commission, DAna said in the after figiht press conference that shogun is gonna be late cuz he is talking to the Comission and Machida is gonna be late because he NEEDED STICCHES…DOSNT taht tell YOU who WON??!?!?!??!?!?!?
by icanproduce on Oct 25, 2009 4:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KARATE HAS nothing on muay thai… WAR SHOGUN!!!
by N1SHOGUNRUAFAN on Oct 25, 2009 4:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Machida nuthuggers? If you ask me…sounds like Shogun popped your anal cherry.
by Mr Niceguy on Oct 25, 2009 5:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen — 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp — 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley — 50-45 Rua
by Samb0 on Oct 25, 2009 6:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how did rampage lose the belt against griffin, yet machida retained it against shogun?
people say you have to convincingly ‘beat’ the champion to get the title????
if that is the case, how did griffin convincingly ‘win’ the title against jackson.
by ben on Oct 25, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some good things to come from this are that any questions about Shogun have been answered, and no one will be drooling over a Machida/Anderson Silva match now.
I though Shogun would be sodomized.
There will be a rematch. If Machida was having an off night, he’d better make sure he isn’t next time.
by Jonny on Oct 25, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To busy to read everyone’s comments to see if this was already said but, in no way was the Machida vs Rua fight rigged. If the fight took place in Vegas with the NSAC Rua would have won it. The CSAC has always been real shady and unfair with a lot of thier rulings.
by sokhl on Oct 25, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn steve mazagatti is crying in the fetal position right now……………………………………………..Oh yeah Shogun got robbed!
by oldskooljjsu on Oct 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mazzagatti sucks! Get big John back in the Octagon Dana. No wonder Lesnar hates Mazzagatti- he’s terrible he has no business refereeing a tiddlywinks tournament let alone a fight.
by Wes on Oct 25, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
joe daddy is a douche!! did he have a smoke b4 the presser? every question he was asked, all 3 of them, was not an invitation to ramble on about himself!! what a tool! i bet dana was like oh come on joe…just shut the fcuk up!!
REPORTER: anything to say to ur fans from Mexico?
JOE: ya, i grew up with my granny from BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA…….
REPORTER: Jesus!! what are you on about? Somebody shut him fcuking up!! a simple hi would have done!!!
by djgalvin on Oct 25, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Naturally Machida would win the decision anyways because he is a karate master. Karate tournaments are all about who scores the most points so he knows how to play the point system if he can’t knock out or submit his opponent
by Jim on Oct 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shogun is the best LHW fighter in the world!!!
by machiavelli on Oct 26, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana White is happy now that he can sell Shogun vs Machida #2. It does not take a genius to see the politics/marketing. In addition, as ben pointed out earlier: why did Rampage lose his belt to Forrest? Answer: Forrest was the UFC, LHW golden boy at the time.
Machida is the new LHW golden boy, but the so called “Machida era” ended on Saturday night. We all saw Shogun beat Machida in a tactful manner. Machida’s face, ribs and legs are proof of Rua’s victory.
by Rick on Oct 26, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im sorry for ufc , Shogun Rua is the real Champ!!
by max on Oct 28, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quit bitching you people make it like it was a blow out come on! The fight was close but Machida had the bigger strikes(punches) which the judges look at more than leg kicks.
Someone said before even the fans in the staples center knew who won, ok so how many of those people are real fight fans and arent just going for a night out…These are the same fans that boo when fighters dont strike for a couple seconds.
And when randy fought timmy well that was a clear domination if nobody thinks the same i suggest watching that fight again.
by MadCap3 on Oct 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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