UFC 104 predictions, preview and analysis

UFC 104: "Machida vs. Shogun" is set to go down this Saturday, October 24, 2009 from the Staples Center in Los Angeles, Calif., live on pay-per-view starting at 10 p.m. ET.
Remember: MMAmania.com will provide LIVE updates with blow-by-blow, round-by-round commentary of the main card action on fight night, which is slated to air at 10 p.m. ET.
To get us pumped for the event, MMAmania.com Editor and Senior Writer, Jesse Holland (that’s me), will break down the main event matches and take a closer look at the intricacies of each contest.
One of the big stories coming into this event is of course the headlining fight between Lyoto Machida and Mauricio Rua. It's "The Dragon's" first title defense since wiping the floor with "Sugar" Rashad Evans back in May.
Rua fans anticipate the "Old Shogun" will make an appearance this Saturday night. Machida fans are quick to counter that not even the Shogun of 2005 could topple "The Master."
There are still a lot of unanswered questions regarding the future of Cain Velasquez. Is he the next big thing at heavyweight? Or just a talented wrestler with a glass jaw?
Ben Rothwell may help us answer that question on Saturday night.
Also on tap is a "Rumble" between Anthony Johnson and Yoshiyuki Yoshida. Will "Zenko" expose Johnson as a fierce striker who's susceptible to the ground game? Or will the import be shipped back to Japan with his jaw in a Bento box?
There will certainly be a lot to talk about on Sunday morning.
I’ve also included the current betting lines for each fight so that you can get a feel for what the money has to say about the chances of each combatant.
Now, enough with the formalities … let’s get cracking:
205 lbs.: Lyoto "The Dragon" Machida (15-0) vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-3)
Backgrounds (last five fights):
Machida:
Record: 5-0
Notable wins: Punishing KO finishes over previously undefeated fighters Thiago Silva and Rashad Evans.
Notable losses: Nada.
Strengths: Pinpoint accuracy, deceptively strong, impossible to hit.
Weaknesses: HTTP 404: Weakness Not Found
Rua:
Record: 4-1
Notable wins: Managed to suck less than Mark Coleman at UFC 93, put Chuck Liddell on ice at UFC 97.
Notable losses: Embarrassed by Forrest Griffin in his UFC debut.
Strengths: Ruthless, deadly strikes, high level jits.
Weaknesses: The fighter that terrorized PRIDE has yet to make an appearance in three fights under the UFC banner.
Dumbass predicts: Anyone else remember the not-so-distant past when some fans were calling the decision-prone Machida "The most boring fighter on the planet?" I recall an interview with Dana White where the UFC prez told the media that Machida would get a title fight when he started finishing people. Well, sometimes you should be careful what you wish for -- especially since we're running out of viable contenders.
I'm not going to spend any time talking about the style of Machida, because it's already been analyzed to death. And Rua? What you see is what you get folks. I've come to accept this fight as a grotesque mismatch. Again, I'm not even looking at styles because I don't think they're relevant in this fight. What you have are two fighters at very different stages of their careers. Machida started slow, fumbling his way through events in Brazil and Japan, having a God-given talent to cripple people but at times a little unsure of how to exploit it.
Over time, "The Dragon" has done what all great athletes do: He's become comfortable with himself and with his competitive surroundings. Not only has he matured as a fighter, he's adapted to the Octagon, something many fighters will tell you is not as easy as it looks. In short, Machida has entered each fight better than the one before it, with a mental focus that is as unflappable as his physical skill set. This is a fighter currently enjoying the prime of his career.
Shogun? Well, that's a different story. Anyone who read my Nostradumbass column predicting his fight against Forrest Griffin knows I was a long time supporter of the former PRIDE Grand Prix champ. Like Wandy before him, he was a terror in Japan, and it was not uncommon for fans and fighters to speculate that an eventual meeting with Fedor Emelianenko in a future Open Weight Grand Prix was looming.
Unfortunately it's true that sometimes the brightest stars burn the quickest, and I think Rua may fall under that category. There has been no evidence since the fall of PRIDE that Shogun will ever be the same fighter he was a few years ago. I'll give him the Griffin fight, since it was his debut, but the Coleman fiasco was a bout so painful to watch, I can barely speak of it without grimacing.
Rua fans point to the Liddell knockout as his rebirth, but let's be honest. Knocking out "The Iceman" after Rampage and Evans did it is like banging the prom queen two years after graduating -- when she's already cranked out two kids and gotten hooked on meth. Shogun has been on a slow and steady decline. Whether it's from the multiple knee surgeries or the simple fact that he just can't get comfortable inside the cage, I haven't seen anything from him in the past two years to indicate he's got the ability to dethrone a fighter who is at the top of his game. Machida's war wagon is firing on all cylinders. Rua's is pulled over on the side of the road, trying to figure out why it keeps overheating.
Betting lines (as of Oct. 23):
Machida: -450 ((Bet Now))
Rua: +325 ((Bet Now))
Prediction: Machida via technical knockout
265 lbs.: Cain Velasquez (6-0) vs. "Big" Ben Rothwell (30-6)
Backgrounds (last five fights):
Velasquez:
Record: 5-0
Notable wins: Abused Cheick Kongo like a pinata he couldn't get open for fifteen minutes at UFC 99.
Notable losses: Perfect through six.
Strengths: Excellent wrestler, big heart, great cardio.
Weaknesses: Got folded up and tucked under the bed like the Norris "Total Gym" every time Kongo made contact.
Rothwell:
Record: 4-1
Notable wins: Kept Chris Guillen in obscurity via elbows at Adrenaline MMA 2.
Notable losses: Toe-tagged by Andrei Arlovski at Affliction: "Day of Bankruptcy."
Strengths: Hits as hard as anyone in the game, ton of experience.
Weaknesses: Questionable wrestling, hasn't fought in almost a year.
Dumbass predicts: Cain Velasquez has a "Brown Pride" tattoo, presumably because he's proud of his Mexican heritage. And why not? It's hard to overcome the many obstacles people are faced with South of the Border. If he wants to be a "Brown" representative to inspire others to achieve while honoring his familia, then I say sound off. The only people who are bothered by his tattoo are insecure white guys. The Battle of Alamo was over in 1836. Seriously, get over it.
Unfortunately my defending of Cain Velasquez ends there. Is he a great wrestler? Yup. Is he a great fighter? Well... Look, I won't deny that Velasquez has some unreasonable expectations put on him, and I think that has a lot to do with the state of the UFC Heavyweight division -- which outside of a few bright stars is surprisingly meek. The Kongo fight is heralded by Velasquez fans as a triumph of heart and determination.
When I hear that Cain has a great chin, I wonder aloud what the criteria is for a chin-o-meter. I always thought a great chin meant you got tagged and didn't even bat an eyelash. Velasquez got tagged and watched his legs do a 7/10 split. The only thing that saved him was the fact that taking Kongo down is like tipping cows: Walk up, extend arms, apply force. I mean for Pete's sake, he was able to take Kongo down from his knees.
Even if we overlook the ability to take a punch, he still was getting hit way too easily. Don't conveniently elevate Kongo to a world class striker either, just to defend Velasquez. I will credit him for having a huge heart, and his instincts are terrific. He was able to utilize his wrestling in his sleep, much like a boxer still throws phantom punches after he's been KOed. Against Kongo, that works. What happens when he faces Gonzaga? Carwin? Lesnar?
Did he dominate the fight? Yes, but I was also surprised that he couldn't finish the Parisian after punching him 200 times in the head. I know, I'm spending a lot of time on one fight, and he's had others where he's looked good. But how excited should I be with his wins over Brad Morris and Denis Stojnic?
Now, Cain can make me look stupid (not hard) by destroying Rothwell. I think his ability to do that rests solely on "Big" Ben. Can Rothwell stuff the shoot? Can he do something other than turtle up when Velasquez does eventually take him down? Rothwell has heavy hands and a ton of experience. My biggest concern is his inactivity. He was 1-1 in 2008 and didn't fight at all in 2009. While I know he has the advantage in striking, I think the layoff will betray him, leaving his timing off just enough for Velasquez to effectively neutralize his offense. Expect a dicey first round for "Brown Pride," followed by a dominant wrestling attack in rounds two and three. It won't be pretty, but hey, a win's a win.
Betting lines (as of Oct. 23):
Velasquez: -300 ((Bet Now))
Rothwell: +220 ((Bet Now))
Prediction: Velasquez by unanimous decision
155 lbs.: Gleison Tibau (19-6) vs. Josh "The Dentist" Neer (25-8-1)
Backgrounds (last five fights):
Tibau:
Record: 2-3
Notable wins: Stifled Rich Clementi and Jeremy Stephens in back-to-back "Fight Nights" this year.
Notable losses: Robbed at pen-point by some pro-Assassin judges in the Melvin Guillard fight at the June TUF Finale.
Strengths: Excellent grappling, comes from a good camp (ATT).
Weaknesses: Inconsistent, lacks that big-name win.
Neer:
Record: 3-2
Notable wins: Gave Din Thomas his UFC pink slip, submitted TUF prodigy Mac Danzig.
Notable losses: Razor-thin barn-burner to Nate Diaz at FN 15, outsmarted by Kurt Pellegrino at UFC 101.
Strengths: Offensive blitzkrieg, gritty, never say die attack.
Weaknesses: Easily baffled by good wrestlers.
Dumbass predicts: Gleeson Tib-oh, Tib-ow, what's his name again? It's hard for me to get excited over a fighter that's not making any noise in the division. What's his biggest accomplishment? Getting robbed in a fight against Melvin Guillard? I can't question his talent, but he's faced Joe Stevenson, Tyson Griffin and Nick Diaz and was unable to beat any of them. I know he's not a title threat, nor will he ever be until he starts finishing guys or putting together consecutive wins. A "Fight of the Night" on Oct. 24 would be a good start.
Now, Josh Neer is no title threat either, but the difference is he makes his fights memorable -- win or lose. I've always loved "The Dentist" as sort of an anti-Guida. He brings the ferocity of a tiger and would rather die than quit, but instead of Guida's "Hey I'm a nice guy inside" routine, Neer always seems to be on the verge of something really evil. Sometimes I like that in a fighter. Mean, nasty, out for blood. Houston Alexander once told me that Josh Neer was someone he looked up to, because he was the toughest fighter he ever saw.
Kurt Pellegrino laid the blueprint for beating Neer, and quite frankly, it's the same blueprint for beating a lot of guys who spend too much time working the bags: Take them down and grind out a decision. It sucks for the fans and gets a lot of criticism from guys like Neer, Nate Diaz and Heath Herring, but if you know how to easily get the win, why not go for it and stay employed?
Now of course the question is, will Tibau follow that blueprint? Can he? Neer stuffs a few takedowns and it's curtains. I don't think Gleison is going to be finished, he's been around for ten years and knows too many ways to stay alive, but Neer will overtake him in the second and third rounds with a relentless attack. He'll be the busier fighter, control the pace and use his aggression to score the unanimous decision victory.
Betting lines (as of Oct. 23):
Tibau: -130 ((Bet Now))
Neer: Even ((Bet Now))
Prediction: Neer via unanimous decision
155 lbs.: Joe "Daddy" Stevenson (30-10) vs. Spencer "The King" Fisher (23-4)
Backgrounds (last five fights):
Stevenson:
Record: 2-3
Notable wins: Executed the perfect gameplan to outpoint Nate Diaz at the TUF 9 Finale.
Notable losses: Tough year for Joe. Losses to Kenny Florian and Diego Sanchez -- not long after losing to BJ Penn.
Strengths: Excellent wrestling, very strong, durable.
Weaknesses: Gets close to becoming elite and then goes belly up.
Fisher:
Record: 4-1
Notable wins: Three straight, including a decision over the returning Caol Uno at UFC 99.
Notable losses: Outwrestled by Frankie Edgar at UFC 78.
Strengths: Experience on the big stage, good stand-up.
Weaknesses: Can't stop good wrestling.
Dumbass predicts: I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that Joe Stevenson has entered a stage in his career where he can successfully tool most undercard fighters -- and successfully be tooled against main event fighters. For everyone in between, he will predictable utilize a suffocating wrestling attack to pull out the "W."
Case in point, Spencer Fisher, who is tailor made for the wrestling of Joe "Daddy." I know the temptation is there to coin this a "classic striker vs. grappler" match-up but let's keep it real: There is nothing "classic" about these two fighting. Both Stevenson and "The King" have a combined 22 fights inside the Octagon (11 each) and now they face each other and it's not for a title. It's not even for the chance to earn a number one contender spot. So what's it for? Well, we've pretty much exhausted the lightweight roster finding fights for these two.
Fisher has won three straight but in fairness, Stevenson has been facing a much higher caliber of opponent lately. I give Fisher the edge in striking, but I can't get that image of him being dominated by Frank Edgar at UFC 78, nor the ease in which Caol Uno took him down at UFC 99. To his credit, Joe is a little more savvy with a grounded opponent than I think those two have been in the past and he will control Fisher for most of this fight.
"The King" is too adept at staying afloat to give the bout away and he's just as crafty as Joe on the ground, but all "Daddy" has to do in take him down, execute a modest amount of damage, rinse and repeat. He might give the first round away trying to prove he can stand and bang, but he'll smarten up by the second frame and wrestle his way to a unanimous decision victory.
Betting lines (as of Oct. 23):
Stevenson: -260 ((Bet Now))
Fisher: +200 ((Bet Now))
Prediction: Stevenson via unanimous decision
170 lbs.: Anthony "Rumble" Johnson (7-2) vs. Yoshiyuki "Zenko" Yoshida (11-3)
Backgrounds (last five fights):
Johnson:
Record: 3-2
Notable wins: Devastating KO finishes over Kevin Burns and Luigi Fioravanti.
Notable losses: Got "No Love" from Rich Clementi, went blind in Johnson vs. Burns 1.
Strengths: Crazy striker, extremely large for the division, dynamic.
Weaknesses: Untested on the ground.
Yoshida:
Record: 4-1
Notable wins: Rid the UFC of War Machine, developed a long distance relationship with his balls after a brutal sack-attack from Dan Hardy.
Notable losses: Ugly KO loss to Josh Koscheck in front of American Troops. Ouch.
Strengths: Strong, top level Judoka, aggressive.
Weaknesses: Has a tendency to block punches with his face.
Dumbass predicts: Anthony Johnson knows how to knock people out, and most of the fans love him for it. I too, like guys who finish fights. I also like guys who can finish it someplace other than their feet.
I'm not knocking Johnson, because to this point he's made a very good case for himself as the future of the division. What he needs to do however, is take a fighter like Yoshida, who is a master grappler, and effectively defend his submissions.
The last time I saw him in trouble on the ground, he ended up getting choked out by Rich Clementi. Now I know Larry Pepe from Pro MMA Radio will race in on his horse-drawn chariot with a signed affidavit documenting all the terrible things that attributed to the "Rumble" tapout, but even if he was suffering from a weight cut, swooping in at the last minute or delivering a baby in the parking lot, he still got subbed rather easily.
That to me is a concern heading into this fight. "Zenko" got knocked out pretty easily by Josh Koschek, who isn't exactly known for his dynamic striking. That loss could lead him to abandon the stand-up and just focus on the Judo. The great thing about Judo is that you don't need to shoot for a takedown. If that was the case, I could easily see the athleticism of Johnson keeping him upright.
Judo however, can get your guy to the mat with a trip, a throw, or a toss. I know Yoshida has the skills to execute those moves as well as finish things when they go south. The biggest question is, can he survive long enough to execute said gameplan? I believe he will, and an overconfident and flashy Johnson will make a mistake that he will regret -- once he's finished tapping out or taking a snooze. Upset special baby, "Zenko" all the way!
Betting lines (as of Oct. 23):
Johnson: -350 ((Bet Now))
Yoshida: +250 ((Bet Now))
Prediction: Yoshida via submission
That’s a wrap, folks.
Remember to come check us out after the show for all the latest results, recaps and coverage of "Machida vs. Shogun."
What do you think? Now it’s your turn … let us have it in the comments section and share your thoughts and picks for Saturday’s event.
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seriously tho… why’s the dad from Wonder Years plastered all over this site?
by just some dong on Oct 23, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here we go….
Machida by TKO (in 4)
Cain by LNP (hope Rothwell at least rocks him a few times)
Neer by UD
Stevenson by UD
Johnson by TKO (in 3)
Bader by LNP
Hardonk by TKO
Okami by UD
by Cole on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesse if “taking Kongo down is like tipping cows over” why was it so hard for Herring who is a bigger HW than Cain? It wasnt “Kongo has no TD defense,” it was Cains great wrestling! Ben caught AA (who has a suspect chin) with some solid shots and didnt budge him. What makes Rothwell think he can do something to Cain? Most HWs would not have been able to take those shots from Kongo and Cain took them. So yes Cain has a solid chin.
by JV on Oct 23, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going with brains and not who I want to win:
Machida (go SHOGUN)
Cain (go BIG BEN)
Tibau (go NEER)
Yoshida
Bader
Hardonk
Okami
Stevenson
Recently though, i’ve sucked at picks, so dont look here for betting advice.
by Synyster on Oct 23, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cole: Do you really have to pick every single favorite? why even post it!
Damn you Jesse! You know I started the Zenko upset special warwagon! Hope we are both right cause I got $100 to win $300 riding on the Judoka! But you know whoo called it 1st! Love you Uncle Jesse!
Stevenson
Cain
Bader
okami
Hardonk
Yoshida
STruve (nnr correct me if I am wrong)
by john G on Oct 23, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John
I normally post who I want to win. This is the first time I’ve actually tried not to be biased and pick based on who I think has the best chance of winning. Just so you know, Below are the guys I will be rooting for:
Machida
Rothwell
Neer
Yoshida
Okami
Hardonk
Fisher
by Cole on Oct 23, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida
Cain
Tibau (Does anyone know that he beat up thiago alves?)
Okami (let’s hope he doesn’t injure his hand)
Zenko (still wary about how fast he can close distance)
Joe Daddy
Bader
Hardonk
Al-Hassan (decided he’s more athletic and kingsbury sucks more)
Gormley (too much power John, Struve can’t handle firepower and his takedowns suck. Good grappler but Gormley is one of Big Nog’s guys at black house gym and has good wrestling credentials.)
by NameNotRequired on Oct 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida-4th round arm triangle
Ben rothwell- KO round 1
Neer- split desicion
Joe dad- unanamous
hardonk-1st round sub guillotine
kingsbury because i dont like the other dude
big red submission, dont know what submission it will be
AJ- ko round 1 but he will get subbed if his fighting attitude is anything like his thoughts about cutting weight
sonnen – just because
by g'd up on Oct 24, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- Machida
- Velasquez
- Neer
- Stevenson
- Johnson
Lock em in.
by RedDog on Oct 24, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Along the same vein – my first thoughts were: When did the Smithsonian start loaning out an Australopithecus to model Dethrone gear?
by JiminezKZR on Oct 23, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your attempt to sound intelligent is undermined by the fact that your colorful jibe is not funny because it is mired in obscurity.
by OJR on Oct 23, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Australopithecus would have better ink…
by loup02 on Oct 24, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ HTTP 404: Weakness Not Found! His weaknesses are too elusive:)
by Pamirec on Oct 23, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with almost all of them. Rumble is going to knock Yoshida out!
by Foxy on Oct 23, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Big call on the rumble upset, everyone I have spoken to says otherwise. I can’t get the image of Kos using Yoshidas head as a punchbag out of my mind.
Surely Rumble is going to knock his head into row Z?
Props for picking the upset tho, glory if you call it!
Agree with everything else and that Cain is waaaay overrated.
by Nick J on Oct 23, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i started the Yoshida upset special this past monday!
by john G on Oct 23, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didnt call anything… NNR will testify I started the Yoshida upset war wagon! lol hahaha Im starting to sound like Kevin, but its true!
by john G on Oct 23, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yoshida got knocked retarded by Koscheck. By Josh. Fucking. Koscheck. I can’t like his chances against Rumble. Plus, Rumble was also a collegiate wrestler, so there’s not even a great chance Yoshi can wrangle him to the ground.
by PW on Oct 23, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone tell John G that he’s an innovator, a trend starter and pretty, so we can all go on with our day.
by ShaiZ on Oct 23, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yoshida just needs to get into the clinch. From there with his judo even an off balance trip and Zenko can it done. He’s great at catching guys in scrambles – he’s proven to have a great guillotine. The more time they spend in the clinch the more it will slow down AJ. Yoshida won’t be shooting takedowns coz his wrestling sucks and AJ sprawls like a beast. Chin wise he won’t withstand any serious shots from AJ. From all the weight issue though AJ’s cardio is a question and he has shown to wear down in later rounds but still he doesn’t lose power which is very impressive. This fight will be decided either very early or very late for both fighters. Watch for a lot of clinch fighting because any distance = Zenko out. John was on Zenko for a while. I was personally on Anthony Johnson but after our discussions from a betting standpoint there is a lot of value in Zenko who is easily the best guy AJ has fought. I have coin him for sure.
by NameNotRequired on Oct 24, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Yoshida via submission”?? Wow! Not going to happen. Remember Koscheck?
I also don’t agree with “Velasquez by unanimous decision” I’m betting Velasquez by severe G&P TKO!
by ducknow on Oct 23, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this card is looking pretty good[gambling wise]
some of the dogs are looking like hot bets.. i love nights like this..
im thinking shogun has a really good chance at stopping the dragon era short, but at the same time, i would never underestimate machida.. nonetheless~ this fight will be alot closer than most think.. im rooting for shogun all the way and im also putting a small bet on him as well..
the co-main event is the stinky hot~dog pick’o the night..
look for a 100% focused ben rothwell to come in, capitalize on cains weak points and take a decision win over the proud brown dood.. i bet big on ben~ hope he doesn’t let me down..
other picks i got are~
neer
joe daddy
rumble..
i parlay’d rumble/neer/rothwell for a nice payday..
by stinky~fingers on Oct 23, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As for my action so far for this weekends event, I got:
Joe Daddy straight up at -220 when it opened
Hardonk
Machida/Cain/Stevenson parlay
Machida/Okami/AJ parlay
Machida/Colts/Patriots (moneyline) parlay
Machida/Cain/AJ/Fedor parlay
I DEFINITELY plan on betting more on Machida, and finding some value somewhere else after some long thought.
Who are you liking??
Oh yeah, and I got $ on Brandon Schaub to win the Ultimate Fighter when the season first started. I got him at +500.
by ViolentMike on Oct 23, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if you get fighters only but there is in this months issue a 3 page guide to betting in MMA.
Really interesting and basically said that there are people making serious money out of it due to the unpredictable nature of the sport, betting on the underdogs (in the right place) is the way forward.
Anyway its well worth a read for you guys who like a wager.
by Nick J on Oct 23, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VM: there are no odds for Fedor yet on Betus! are you using other sites?
Want a guarenteed parlay? Okami/Stevenson/Cain
straight bets:
Shogun +400 a while ago (small amount) value bet
Big Ben (small amount) value bet
Joe daddy (big)
Okami (Big)
Yoshida ($100 to win $300)
I got a bunch of parlays involving Machida,Bader,Okami,stevenson,Cain,hardonk, Tibua, Yoshida
by john G on Oct 23, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with foxy- Rumble has potential. He just needs a better camp that’s why people think he aint so good,
that being said we haven’t seen much of him on the ground so we’ll see.
and i like the HTTP 404 also.
lets GET BROCK VS DRAGON FOR UFC 110!!!!!
by Actionjackson on Oct 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree w/ all but the Rumble fight. I’d be surprised if he loses, but would personally love to see Yoshida tap him!
by LJ on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shogun by Sub or KO
Cain by ground and pound
by Robert(1) on Oct 23, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree, I think Shogun solves the puzzle, if you’re in vegas, a nice little wager at +325 on Shogun, just to cover the bases.
by the Slovak on Oct 23, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The HTTP 404 error is good one!
Machida TKO
Rothwell upset UD win
Neer Submission
Stevenson UD
I think Cain is good but he seems to be getting too much hype too soon. I hope he proves me wrong and sets up an awesome showdown with Brock for the heavyweight belt.
by MMAChooch on Oct 23, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesse — I don’t understand the “Record” line for Machida, Rua, Rothwell, etc. It looks like a copy-and-paste error.
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Check right above it – the “Backgrounds” portion focuses on their past five fights, I put that in parentheses, but I understand how it would be confusing. Gonna try to figure out a new way to word it for the next one.
-JH
by MMACrossfire on Oct 23, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Machida TKO, Velasques TKO, Stevenson UD,Johnson KO, Neer UD. These are my predictions.
by Cory B on Oct 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!!!
“Knocking out "The Iceman" after Rampage and Evans did it is like banging the prom queen two years after graduating — when she’s already cranked out two kids and gotten hooked on meth. "
LOL, and so true.
by JACK on Oct 23, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Cain Velasquez has a "Brown Pride" tattoo, presumably because he’s proud of his Mexican heritage. And why not? It’s hard to overcome the many obstacles people are faced with South of the Border. If he wants to be a "Brown" representative to inspire others to achieve while honoring his familia, then I say sound off. The only people who are bothered by his tattoo are insecure white guys. The Battle of Alamo was over in 1836. Seriously, get over it.”
This was the most ignorant comment I have ever read on this website, and by a writer to boot. Astonishing.
No its not just “insecure white guys” as you put it in your racist terms, its EVERYONE who rightfully so questions the allowance of such a tattoo when a white version of it is BANNED.
Either anyone can have such a tattoo regardless of race or NOONE can.
He can be proud to be brown all he wants, as long as the rest of us are allowed to be proud of who we are.
__
I understand your point. When I was ten, my friends were allowed to stay up until 10pm — but I had to go to bed by 9. I always missed “Three’s Company.” I’m telling you man, sometimes life just isn’t fair.
-JH
by Justice for all on Oct 23, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i never saw where a white fighter could not have white pride on them? maybe they don’t want a swastika on them and do people here know the difference from white or brown power vs pride?
by roy on Oct 23, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too Jesse. But get this! Now that I’m out the parents house, my little brother gets to stay up till 10 when me and my older brother were stuck at 9pm at his age. Yes sir, life just isn’t fair…
by Synyster on Oct 23, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody better call the Whaaaa-ambulance!
Dry your tears, little girl…
by OJR on Oct 23, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Brown pride” and other minority pride is born out of these white pride piece’s of sh*t who have tried for so long to make people of minority groups feel like they’re worth nothing and that they should be ashamed of who they are.
White pride, or the morons who espouse the white pride beliefs, has always been about superiority and somehow being better than every other race.
JH, you can’t reason with ignorant people, this issue has been argued on various forums and they (the morons) still can’t comprehend the various explanations given to them. When they can’t back their claims up any more they usually resort to the “oh, brown pride is about gangs, not race so screw Cain for being a gang member”. WTF?!?
- XAD
by Xad on Oct 23, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
brown pride is a gang dumbass they kill people everyday in Nashville, mostly other latin Americans who are not Mexican. Get a Mexican flag tatoo instead or better yet some Aztec symbol rather than represent the Spanish rape of the land.
by hatteras on Oct 23, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Nashville TN where Brown Pride is a vicious gang that has even been featured on the history channel’s gangland series. Brown Pride or BP is a huge Mexican gang in Nashville that started in Mexico and is a rival gang of the San Salvador based gang ms13.
Brown pirde gang members where Cleveland Browns jerseys or brown bandanas and spray paint BP all over the city and shoot up bars and clubs, nightly. Cain may not be aware of the Gang but if Cain ever fought in Nashville he might get shot on the way to the arena by an ms13 guy.
If it is not a reference to the gand but pride in mexico then why not write brown pride in Spanish instead of English? Because it is a gang tattoo
by hatteras on Oct 23, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumbass, “Brown Pride” represents a Latino gang affiliation. Classy, I know
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True, but Cain is an MMA fighter, not a gang banger. Well, at least that’s what he told me. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
-JH
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not true, many people may use it in a gang way but its not limited to that. and there is a difference in pride vs power.
by roy on Oct 23, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he said, ‘why yes, Jesse, I’m an active member of a border gang that brings tons of drugs and guns into America and participate in killing local and federal law enforcement officers and judges,’ then his intelligence would be on par with Kongo’s.
by PW on Oct 23, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think its a little crazy because if someone had a “White Pride” tattoo people would be going absolutely nuts.
I could definitely see Jardine sporting one though. Guy looks like a total skinhead Neo-Nazi haha.
by WB on Oct 23, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think so, maybe if it said white power.
by roy on Oct 23, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
get the facts
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh7thzPR49VzM15Jf1
A Mexican flag tattoo would be one thing but brown pride is a gang, probably the most violent one in the south next to the hidden valley kings. These dudes do drive by shooting at church funerals.
So f—- Brown Pride. I hope Rothwell wins simply because he has had to fight over 40 times just to get into the ufc and Cain, like Bisping is a flagship for another fan base and therefore will always have a job.
by hatteras on Oct 23, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or will the import be shipped back to Japan with his jaw in a Bento box?
That’s good ol fashioned racism as peter Griffin would say. Ha ha
I still have Ben winning. Rumble for the ko. And agree on all other counts
by Daniel worby on Oct 23, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Machida will in a war tomorrow night – win or lose, Shogun will show all the Machida nuthugggers why he’s still one of the most dangerous LHWs in the game today. It makes me laugh I see everyone counting Shogun out – lap it up douchebags, Shogun will be having the last laugh! WAR SHOGUN!
by jayshogun on Oct 23, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope you’re right, because (as a Machida fan) I really want to see Machida tested… really tested. I want Rua to come in and execute a perfect game plan.
by MMACrossfire on Oct 23, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED
WAR SHOGUN
WELCOME TO THE SHOGUN ERA
by newfie on Oct 23, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until he shows otherwise, I’m going to assume the Shogun era is dead and gone.
by Diceman on Oct 23, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAR SHOGUN
Shogun
Rothwell
Neer
Stevenson
Rumble (but will look his highly overrated self)
by newfie on Oct 23, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My only question to those who are convinced that Shogun is going to be able to hang with the Dragon is on what basis are you making that claim? Shogun HAS to be fully recovered and at 100%, fully comfortable in the ocatgon and have an incredible gameplan put together to have a chance to win. Yes, his grappling and ground game may be exceptional, but he’s got to be able to get close enough to Lyoto to do any of that, and I don’t see him being very successful. Don’t get me wrong, I am looking forward to this A LOT, but mostly to see where Shogun is as far as his progress and getting to see Lyoto 16.0.
by Figtin on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Co main event pics:-
Shogun via TKO – Side Control, raining down elbows
Rothwell via KO – First Rd, finishing what Kongo could not
by DownUnder on Oct 23, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weaknesses: Has a tendency to block punches with his face.
hahaha brilliant. but i dont think he’ll be able to get Rumble to ground to submit him, i mean cmon Johnson is HUGE at 170 and Zenko is small at 170. hopefully Johnson makes weight ok, appartently he’s struggling with the cut.
by irishlilpete on Oct 23, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shogun by brutal GnP tko
cain by tko 2nd round
joe daddy by ud
yoshida by sub
AND NOW, SHOGUN IS THE CHAMPIOOO!!!
by d*locc on Oct 23, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will go with the exact opposite of what D*Locc has picked.
by jay on Oct 23, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya those are some horrible picks, the only pick that will come through is cain will beat rothwell. Anyone who thinks shogun is gonna win is delusional. Introdouche picking shogun to win should be the first sign to fade that pick, not to mention machida being the far superior fighter.
by mma guru on Oct 23, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am taking Rothwell. I know he probably won’t win, but I want him to win so badly that I can’t allow common sense to dictate which way to go.
by jay on Oct 23, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida by TKO????
LOL
Take a look at shogun’s record
Not going to happen, sorry
Maybe decision, not TKO
by Al on Oct 23, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not TKO its going to be a clean KO by Machida
by Rebel664 on Oct 24, 2009 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are giving Shogun a little to much credit, Machida wins by TKO early in the 3 rd.
by Matt on Oct 24, 2009 5:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LMAO. Love the funny analogies! Big fan of your writing Jesse. Keep it up!
by Mike Calimbas on Oct 24, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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