From Spooner’s living room it looked a lot like Florian was trying to do to Penn what GSP did to Penn, only without the wrestling ability or the weight and strength advantage.

ive been working 60 hr weeks roy, dead tired. Last night I only did an hour of OT, so up and alert today! Been coming on, but have no comments on the repeating dancing and kimbo threads!

Exactly what I saw PW. Even though he wasn’t effective with his gameplan he was probably winning that fight too. BJ didn’t throw a punch until the end. Everyone (mostly JohnG) said they thought BJ owned Florian, I didn’t see it that way at all. Until the last flurry of course, who did you think was winning that fight up to the end??

it doesn’t matter who WAS winning, to me it only matters who DOES win.
****upset special sat.*
Ben Rothwell!

Ashamed to admit that i had florian.

As much as I like Florian and dislike BJ, I have to say Florian was probably winning by a wretchedly ugly display of, I don’t know, stand ’n pray?

A lot of us did NNR, do you think Florian was winning too though?

Agree compelely PW. It was an ugly fight and nothing was happening but Kenny had Octagon control. Enough to win a crappy decision if it had made it that far.

I don’t think so. He definitely lost the first round I can’t really remember how the other ones went but I certainly wouldn’t say he “was on his way to a crappy decision.”

I had Penn winning every round I think… definitely winning the fight from beginning to end

I’m so glad we’re still talking about UFC 101 (no sarcasm). I am still on a high from that event. I’ll still be watching strikeforce on this night tho. MMA fans have already seen these fights and will want to watch a very hyped live card. UFC fans will want to see them again. Phillies clinch tonight!! Sorry, but had to put a ref. to the team here.

frosnt, you remember a third of a quarter of the fight and disagree with who was winning? Not much help, thanks though.

Florini lost every round but i think the judges are worthless enough to score a couple of rounds for him. I was shocked when bonnar and couture both sucked up on the MMA live panel sayin that he won rounds. Just proves that just because you’re a fighter that i doesnt mean you know MMA. BJ was killing him everywhere and still scoring with strikes despite getting guida’ed against the cage.

The Standing Guida. That’s exactly the name of what Florian was attempting.

Ceasar….How in the world did you get that? BJ didn’t do anything at all for 2 of those rounds. Your fanhood got in your eyes if you think BJ won 3 even 2 of those rounds. Maybe one but not all of them. He had his back against the cage defending takedowns and love taps for about 10 minutes of that 17 minute fight….No way was BJ Penn winning this fight.

I was pretty drunk at the time of 101 having been out all night and only getting back in time for BJ-Florian (watched the rest of the show on VHS and Andy’s masterclass quickly cured my hangover) so my account won’t be the best but from what I remember BJ hurt Kenny with every strike thrown and since Florian failed to get the takedown and was hurt by BJ’s boxing in each round, I gave 1-3 to BJ before he took control in the 4th and submitted Kenny.

Florian came in with a good strategy to beat BJ, only it wasn’t a good strategy for him to beat BJ as he was too small and not a good enough wrestler to wear down BJ in the clinch and take him down. Kenny should have come in with a strategy that suited his skills not GSP’s.

Jay – BJ outstruck florian at every point. Holding on the fence should never ever count as meaningful offense. Neither should the “love taps” even if they are more damaging that dryhumping. All of kenny’s clinch work was nullifyed with almost zero of his strikes getting through. So that only leaves the few moments they actually stood against each other. Florian was getting bombed on clean and rocked at several points. At the extreme worst in a crazy world i would say a 10-10 round (which it wasnt). Once it hit the mat, it was all over. I am disappointed that people can score any rounds for florian and hell i gave him 0 even though i had big money on him for the upset.

Fact of the matter is bk Penn is my most hated fighter in a tie with Brock. But even I can’t say Kenny won a round. Man he got schooled. Albeit boring and I h8 bk so I’m glad it was boring. But nonetheless I was pulling for kenflo the whole time & needless to say was very disappointed that he didn’t switch his gameplan after figuring out if was not winning him the fight.

The fact that Jay somehow thinks Kenny was winning just shows how much a guy can let his hatred for 1/love for the other get in the way of their judgement.

Hate you bk! & Brock!

Kenny did not win 1 second of that fight. I picked him to win cause I cant stand the site of BJ but come on already, Kenny got owned in that fight!!!!!

This counterprograming is a DVR’s DREAM! Of course Im watching King Fedor on a historic night of mma live!

I just had a little look on wiki and turns out CBS and Spike TV are part of the same company, Spike is owned by MTV networks (a division of Viacom) and CBS is a split subsiduary of Viacom, both VIacom and the new CBS are owned by National Amusements – National amusemants is owned by the Rothstein family (it is a private company) who conveniently change their names to Redstone before their 18th birthday to appear less jewish? wtf?

Anyway CBS broadcasts to around 6% of the worlds population, that being North America where 10% of the people hold 90% of the wealth, do you think that 10% of multi million and billioneirs watch strikeforce or spike – no..

The truth is that CBS has an audience of about 4% of the worlds population (the American poor and working middle class)that make up 90% of the population but only hold 10% of the countrys wealth, so you are 4% of the worlds population and only hold 2.5% of the worlds wealth thats a huge shortfall for rhe Amercian public and you lot should be angry about it and change your rulers into leaders… but i digress.

What im getting at here is that the local US television ratings are small potatoes and strikeforce/cbs winning this market is almost meaningles, Dana White and the Zuffa elite know this and thats why he refers to them as a regional show, the real money is in self managed PPV on an world scale – and this is where the UFC has made its home – they have distribution of live PPV all over North and South America, Europe and Asia.

On another note, the kind of viewer who tunes into free MMA and doesnt buy PPV, the kind that make up the 6 million type figures weve seen for TUF are not educated MMA fanatics like the people that post here, they are the guys that call it ultimate fighting, they are the guys that watch Spike TV and they are the guys that will tune in to watch UFC big name fighters from the PPV cards they didnt buy over Strikeforce and the unknown names they are pushing.

On top of all this Spike will be paying the UFC for this broadcast.. so UFC makes more profit from its footage and takes away i would say at least half of the casual viewer figures from Strikeforce CBS in one move… nice n easy, and its an inconsequential market theyre fighting over anyway.

Plus.. Fedor sucks.

LOL good point if it’s all true but CBS and the other large networks bring in the high paying sponsors that will add value for any show once the big sponsors start bidding on TV time and advertising rights the UFC will be cashing in as far as Strikeforce goes they will make a little enough to stay relevent but they will become nothing more than the WEC wich could easily still be big money in the fastest growing sport one day amateur MMA will be huge.

They change their names because Jews aren’t allowed in the entertainment industry. Anywhere.

war fedor! war mousasi! war strikeforce!!

DVR is a life saver if you had to pick of coarse your going to go with the live event but I would be flipping channels in between fights and could very easily be watching more of the replays than the live based on the lopsided fights that could very well be one rounders for the majority of them.

Bingo! Spike is a lifesaver

It’s about the live action and being there with the rest of the fans while they are happening, I could care less when they show them after the fact.

You can flip between fights I’m sure with the lopsided fights there are going to be long breaks between fights anyway.

jay and duece-FOR REAL? these fights where months ago! HBO airs their boxing ppvs the following week, and it never hurt their sales. boxing is down, but not b/c of this. belive me no one will miss you 2 bozos.

If you have DVR there is no issue watch the live event record the UFC or record both and watch when you want if you don’t have DVR you can always flip back and forth I’m sure the breaks on Strikeforce will be long.

Gotta admit guys, I had to work during UFC 100. I DVR’d it and watched it with some buddies on Sunday, on a big-screen, and it just wasn’t the same. Watching fights live is much more entertaining to me(as silly as it sounds, yelling instructions and curses at guys on replay isn’t as fun when it’s not live…as if they can hear me anyways, haha). So there’s no way I would miss a good live event to watch fights I could watch on the web right now. I’ll DVR the Spike show and watch it later.

Those streams are slow, choppy and unreliable. You’re better off nursing a few beers in a bar and listening to drunk douchebags call people pussies for attempting any sort of BJJ.

Usually the fights are uploaded on the web a few hours after the event, that’s how I watch most MMA shows, as we only get the UFC live in the UK, as well as UFC shows if I’m at uni before getting the tape of the whole card sent to me by my parents.

This is a good selection of fights from the UFC but of course more people are going to watch SF as their show is live and on a much more popular channel, while most UFC fans, whether hardcore or casual, have already seen these fights. I doubt that anyone who intended to watch SF will change their mind because of this Spike special. Doesn’t affect me anyway as I don’t get this show or SF on TV in the UK.

What sites have the events after the fact? I may miss this Saturday’s event.

mmacore.com is the one I use.

Sweet. Thanks.

Yeah, I’ve been seeing commercials for Strikeforce during SEC and NFL football games. I still think they should kick up their advertising a notch as the slots I’ve seen have been short. That’s on them though, I already know about it so I’m happy. :)