well its good to see they woulda throw crazy money at rampage who doesnt even wanna fight for them but they wont even give dan the same respect

Rampage is the bigger draw, so he is offered more money.

Evidence, please. When has Rampage ever hadlined a pay per view and done out of the 300k range (which is basically as much as the UFC name is good for the could put tank abbot vs butterbean and it would do 300k)? They seriously do overpay Rampage.

Dan is an old close-to-retirement veteran. He does in no way deserve more than the 250k he got for the Bisping fight. I completely behind Dana on this one.

Let him go and fight in Strikforce id he thinks he is so special…he has his chance at Anderson and failed.

FIGHT ANNOUNCEMENT: Rolles Gracie vs Al-Turk in the ufc

you Serious Fokman? Ive been waiting for Rlles to get signed to the UFC hopefully he lives up to his hype!!!!

yea they are suppose to fight at ufc 109

Damn they signed Rolles? He’s far from ready for the UFC. I mean he’s got greg jackson and renzo in his corner but still, he’s pretty much a poor man’s Roger in MMA at this point. Fn Art of War in god damn Macau is not the same as even the undercard of UFC.

Fokman, is this Gracie any good? Or is he all just about grappling. Grapplers bore me nowadays, or should I say, I like strikers more now…But I stil love the beauty of a well-executed submission.

idiot announcement****

Footprints knows nothing about being paid to fight.

How does he not deserve 250k? All ten stars deserve that. Hendo should be making about 425k a fight. Minimum. GSP/magicida/Anderson/etc should be making a million a fight. Plain & simple!
It will never stop blowing my mind how much you guys live thru Dana! This is the last paid sport out of all the major sports % wise of their income.

For Christ sakes they pay less than 5% of all their income to who? The FUCKIN fighters! That’s pathetic! When nhl pays 52 and nfl pays just below 50.

Dana 4 prez rolling eyes world’d be done in a month.

My guess is that you would run the UFC into the ground like EliteXC. Dana White’s doing a better job than Obama. lol

you are the idiot because every person in the world is paid as much as he deserves.

Yeah Daniel the difference is the fighters only fight what 2-3 times a year?

Those on PPV cuts are on a million plus, no doubt. Thats good money for 15 minutes in a cage if you ask me.

You watch strikeforce go bust.

15 minutes or weeks/months of training. fighting on that level IS a full time job and one of the harder ones at that

You all act like you know how much people should be paid. NFL players are grossly over paid just like MBL, NHL, and NBA players. We should be more worried about the fighters who are paid 5k to fight rather than the guys making 250k times two if they win. GSP, Penn, Silva ect are all making a mil per fight because they are getting 400k to 500k to fight and a win doubles that pay. After that they also get pay for advertisements they are in, and for sponsors. Their gyms also pay them to train people and a lot of gyms allow their fighters to sleep there to save money or provide a house where fighters can stay. Learn more about the game before you start trying to act like a businessman. Everyone is right and if the UFC started paying fighters whatever they want then the UFC would go belly up. I’m not happy to hear about Dan cause he definetly is worth his due considering all he’s done in the octogon but I’m thinking Lorenzo steps in here like he normally does when Dana gets a big head on things. I’m sure tho that if Hendo goes over to Strikeforce and fights they won’t be willing to pay him 500k either because they know they can’t afford it. As Hendo’s manager I would agree to 300k to 400k along with a gaurantee with one more win that Hendo gets a rematch with Silva. Also in the contract it would stipulate that beating Silva for the title would raise the pay to 500k because as a champion he would deserve that much. These people need better managers and not to try and play hardball with the UFC.

Completely agree that the real crimes in pay are against the guys that are on 5k to show money. But thats the gamble you make trying to make it to the big leagues. A bit like an up and coming band, they will play for peanuts just to be heard.

I usually side with Dana in issues about money, not because I am a nut hugger but I just think that he knows the ins and outs. He has practically built this hugely sucessfull empire that will go on and on. If he doesn’t think a fighter is worth X amount then they aren’t.

Competitors in all sports are paid based on what they generate. The NFL is the most popular sport in America and has a $6 billion TV contract, hence they have a salary cap of over $100 million per team with owners still making plenty of profit. Everyone wins. Same with baseball, except the salary cap doesn’t mean anything. Henderson was immediately granted not one but two title shots upon signing with UFC and lost them both. He isn’t a particularly exciting fighter except when a stupid British douche circles directly into his only weapon. His best days are behind him. If he thinks he is worth more than 250K per fight plus bonuses then he is delusional.

We weren’t talking about the guys that make 5k & you think I don’t agree that’s garbage as well you idiots?

Also, to shonuff? Your serious? Everyone is paid what they deserve? Hey get the f*ck out of here w/ that garbage. Geez you guys really are stunned hey?

15 mins of work? You for real? Tell me which of these fighters besides carwin works elsewhere while fighting 3x a year in UFC?

… I’m waiting…

& I do, do the research you putz! That’s how I know the stats I speak of. I didn’t mention the sponsors because that’s not out of Dana or zuffas pockets!!! F*ck!

Oh and ps: do you think fighters are the only ppl who have sponsors you morons? Its irrelevant! All major sports icons have em! Makes no bloody difference to this conversation. You guys can’t possibly be this naïve and stupid.

For real? You really are? Wow no wonder our world is filled with criminals, low lifes, drug abuser’s, and scum.

Goofs

Everyone is paid what they deserve Daniel. It’s called market value. If Walmart comes to town with 400 hundred jobs at minimum wage with no benefits and 1,000 people show up to try and get them then minimum wage is the correct wage. Nobody has to work for a particular wage. They have the freedom and the choice to go elsewhere. That is why shonuff said everyone is paid what they deserve.
I don’t have time to do the research but I think that your 5% figure is a little low. If the UFC brings in 250 million per year that would only be 12.5 million. I’m pretty sure that with bonuses and ppv % payouts that figure is significantly higher.
And one last thing Daniel Worby. You can make your points without calling people names and acting stupid.

If you have the time to research the “stats” on something to prove somebody on a message board wrong you live a sad, phucking life.

Daniel you are out to lunch. Starting to sound bitter like our buddy Introvert. Let them pay Dan a million, and close up shop when people who are actual draws start demanding 10 million. You have no clue what you are talking about.

Wow Daniel, you got some issues with name calling. First off yes other sports athletes do have sponsors, but those sponsors have them in advertisements outside of their sports. For example you don’t see any NFL player wearing the logo of the sponsor on their jersey when they play. This is directly related to the UFC, if the UFC wanted to they could tell the fighters to wear plain UFC shorts only and then that would take away a ton of money from the fighters because sponsors don’t often provide television marketing to all fighters let alone unheard of fighters making less than 100k a fight. But you did your research right? Right because all drug abusers are low lifes and scum. And all people who don’t fully research a topic also fall in this same category. I would like to call you on your supposed research so I can prove by your own standards you are scum. Did you compare amount of NFL games yearly to the amount of fights a fighter does yearly? What about how much each sport brings in anually and how many athletes are on their roster? What about the benifits of being on basic television weekly in comparrison to cable telivision twice a year or ppv once a month? How about in comparrison to injuries per sport, post and present? The fact that you have to go to college to get accepted into most major league sports? What exactly are your full proof facts that proves Henderson should be making over 400k a fight, win or lose? Anyway your arguing about the wrong topic which proves how much of a keyboard warrior you really are. Most real fighters understand its not the pay thats so important its the insurance, try to get the UFC to find an insurance company willing to cover the UFC or to help cover medical expenses and then we’ll start talking about fairness. And next time try acting like an adult when you post and cut out all the name calling, it only takes away from the legitimacy of your post.

PW I will also have to respectfully disagree with you that Hendo is on the downside of his career. The guy took Franklin and Rampage the distance, he did better than any guy has done thus far against Silva and he hasn’t been beaten in any fight other than his two title matches in the UFC. This guy is the new Rich Franklin of the MW division. He should get one more fight with Silva and then be forced to move up to LHW like Franklin.

Sorry guys, but saying everyone gets paid what they deserve is just a false statement. If you need me to bring up MMA examples or examples from other occupations I’ll be happy to, but hopefully you can see right through that one.

Daniel when you come out with petty name calling and claims that some of the most well respected posters on here don’t know what they are talking about you lost me. Won’t bother reading your posts in the future, your obviously 15. No problems mate, everyone was 15 once.

Anyway I agree with practically everyone else on here re the money, it is a business and you get paid what you deserve, if you don’t like it go elsewhere.

Am torn on the PW Cogito debate. I would side with the fact that I think Hendo’s best days are gone. That said on his day with that punching power and chin, he could still beat anybody, and i mean anybody.

My thinking is that at 38 years old he’s not getting any better than what he is now. A 6-fight extension would cover him until age 40 or 41. Even the best lose a step of quickness and little bit of reaction time. See also: Liddell, Chuck.

Stat: jardine made less then 25k to beat chuck when he was still relevant. Don’t believe me? Look it up. Or simply watch the Youtube vids with tito on the topic.

Every1’s paid what they deserve in the whole world? Ha ha so why as a society do we ask for more? What a perfect world we already live in. Let’s all just me happy and never try to get the best we can for ourselves to support our lives and loved ones. Nice goal guys.

Sorry about the name calling. I usually don’t spout off that bad with name calling. It was uncalled for. The fact still remains they are underpaid and under appreciated.

Its just mind boggling to me that no one else see’s this. & for proof? Look @ the gate income alone @ an event. Wait for it 2 days after 104. It’ll bring in about 5 million. Then they’ll have paid there 20 fighters that fought a combined total of about 1.5 million maybe 2ish. Now that’s not even taking into account the ppv draws, or UFC merchandise, or anything else they profit off of.

I’m sorry so many disagree. And I don’t mind sounding like intro because he brings up very valid points @ times. It just so gappends they go against the grain & that upsets the majority of posters.

Is Zuffa suppose to give every dime away? A business owner likes to make profit, that is why they bought the company in the first place. Trust me Dana and the boys aren’t stealing from the fighters, they give them the best place in the world to ply their trade, if the fighters have a problem with that they are free to try their hand at other professions. No one is making them fight. It is simple really and Dana has stated this many times, make us money and you will be fairly compensated. They give generous bonuses every fight that nobody knows about. Big names make big bucks. Ask GSP, Brock or AS if they are making enough money for their 25 minutes of work, they will all agree that the money has been getting better and that they wouldn’t be making that much anywhere else.

Jay, a fight represents a lot more than 25 minutes work. It represents several months of their life and hundreds of hours of preparation.

Daniel, why are you draggin’ me into this??? I hadn’t even posted on this thread and have never said anything remotely like that. IMO if everyone was paid what they’re worth, teachers and nurses and volunteer charity workers would be paid more than entertainers (including pro atheletes).

Cogito, great points on Hendo and especially on insurance. Health care costs are astronomical in the U.S. and I’m sure they’re higher for fighters. One night in a 3rd rate US hospital cost me $8,000 USD and my orthopedic surgery cost my insurance company $100,000. How’s a fighter supposed to recover from that making $5,000/ 3 times a year?!?! There is no excuse for the UFC to not provide Health Insurance to fighters while they’re under contract. Can you imagine the NFL not insuring its players!

The only fighters that I expect to get paid more are the ones who go from TUF to successful careers like Jardine and Maynard yet are still paid basic TUF contracts or the ones who are barely paid anything to fight on undercards. Out of the main eventers in Zuffa it’s the WEC guys like Faber, Torres, MTB and Bowles who are getting cheated by their employers and should be paid more, guys like Hendo make a very good living so I’m not too fussed about how much he makes.

If fighters are paid too much then they’ll get big headed and the sport will become more corporate, that is the problem football is facing as a working-class game with the top footballers like Bobby Moore socialising at the pub with the fans has turned into a game of primadonnas rolling around the floor for obscene amounts of money, then spending it all on flash cars and houses, treating the fans that support them like crap. Right now MMA is a sport where the fighters are accessible to the fans and the majority know how to treat them, Dana is fantastic in this regard and gives the fighters a good example of how to treat the fans. I want the stars who earn the money and risk their health to be the best to make as much money for themselves as possible but I don’t want this sport to become purely about the money like the majority of successful sports are today.

I like Hendo as much as anyone, but there arent too many fights involving him that I am desperate to see him in the UFC. I dont care about the Anderson rematch. He fought Rich in a fight I always wanted to see. whats really left?
Nate
rubbermatch with wanderlei, and a rematch with Vitor maybe.

I would much rather see him face MOusasi and bablu!

Stupid move by Dana letting him go. He had a strangle hold on the LHW division and now he is giving mousasi credible opponents. strategically not smart if you ask me!

i agree with you john on it being stupid on dana’s part and giving strikeforce more top level fighters, but there is still alot of fights i want to see him in mostly at lhw

tito
randy
machida
rashad

but i won’t complain to see him fight babalu again or gregard but i would prefer him in the ufc.

Daniel, you aren’t taking into account all the expenses that go into a PPV event: PPV satellite rights (which costs millions), marketing, staffing, venue, etc. Zuffa spends millions of dollars to generate interest in each event and make sure they all go off flawlessly. This is all before they pay the fighters the salaries in their contracts, KOotN, SotN, FotN and the under-the-table bonuses. Zuffa has a right to earn a profit, not hand everything over to the fighters at the end of each event. This is not the days of Roman gladiators. Fighters have a choice between fighting for a living or getting a 9-to-5 like the rest of us. If they don’t like UFC’s terms they are free to try to get a better deal with some other promotion or even, heaven forbid, go get a job.

Shonuff, agreed it takes more time than 25 minutes for them to earn the pay we are speaking of. But they actually only work 25 minutes for the purse they are paid to fight. Training time is either paid by the guys you teach or sponsors.

True, Jay. NFL players receive game checks, not weekly or bi-weekly pay throughout the year.

PW I agree that Hendo isn’t getting better and that he will slip up sooner or later but we have to agree he is still relavant to the MW division. You also took the words out of my mouth with how the UFC has to cover costs like Satalite coverage, venue payments, and paying the announcers screen producers ect. I also agree with you Daniel that people in the UFC are grossly under paid but Hendo is not one of them imo. Jardine is a great example and when you point fighters out like that I have to agree with you. It’ll take time but the main thing is that we need another org that can legitmately compete with the UFC before we can see fighters getting better pay. IMO fighters on the lower tiers need more pay than the top five of any division at the moment. One thing the fighters need to start doing is joining together on their fights for equal pay, insurance coverage, and help with training and gym costs. Its up to the fighters to do this and as much as I hate how Fedor likes to pretend like the UFC didn’t give him a good offer, he is one of the leaders preventing the UFC from fully taking over the industry. If Fedor ever gets accumulated by the UFC you can consider it the end of the other orgs, they may fizzle a little but they will never generate enough heat to stand against the UFC. I’m not a UFC nut hugger, I just think Hendo was arguing the wrong points in his contract and that he could have gotten a better deal had he stipulated that he get a title shot with one more fight and a pay raise up to 500k if he takes the title. He just needs to get M1 to start negotiating for him (joke). To be honest the UFC needs to start doing things to generate more fans and not just over seas. For example they need to start holding tournaments, providing more free broadcasts of the undercards on SPIKE and come up with a better PPV plan that doesn’t waste an hour on repeat commercials. The fighters and the UFC are both kind of fiddling around with bettering themselves when there are simple moves that can help both. Unions for the fighters and tournies for Zuffa. Also the UFC should advertise more often on other channels rather than just SPIKE, and community envolvement always brings positive light onto an organization. Like fight for the troops, or fight for breast cancer, ect. If you don’t agree I understand but I think these are basic ideas that other people on this site have already thought of as well, if the UFC would only implement them more often.

Just to reiterate, I also think the top five guys of every division should be paid more, but I think we need to raise the level of popularity the UFC has a little more before we can reach that peak.

The peak for the UFC is going to get much higher once they land a network deal. Strikeforce would not be around if it wasn’t for the network and once the UFC gets a deal done the advertising from major sponsors will sky rocket and the fan base will grow like wild flower if Dana is correct we will be seeing this next year!

i think dan will end up signing as well.. im not sweating this whole situation..

that clears it up but like you i too think he will settle for less money

He should stay for less money and a guaranteed title shot

I want him to sign a 1 fight deal with Strikeforce, I want him to fight Mousasi.

He’s already had two title fights and lost them both. He needs to climb the LHW ladder if he wants another shot, because nobody wants to see Silva beat him down again.

I actually would like to see Silva beat him down again. Who else is left for Silva to face? Marquardt, Maia, Yushin, Vitor? All of these guys I’m confident that Hendo could beat. Why should Marquardt deserve a shot before Hendo? Although I admit if he loses to Silva again he needs to go to LHW. Also I wouldn’t mind seeing him face Mousasi, I really am looking to see Mousasi in the UFC one day, that guy is a pretty good fighter.

Yeah, people can say what they want about Hendo not deserving the shot, but there’s no doubt that he is Silva’s toughest matchup. You think Nate’s spinning elbow’s and other new tricks are going to be remotely effective? I don’t. I could definitely see Hendo trading bombs and taking Silva down and GnP’ing again though. Stylistically Hendo is the toughest MW that Silva could face, and he’s already proven that. It’s going to take a tough SOB that can take the Spider down, not someone with technical striking. You’re not going to beat Silva in that department.

my thoughts exactly, Dice! Hendo has the chin to survive Silva and the grappling to take him out of his game. I still think Silva will beat him, because Silva will outsmart him, but stylistically, he’s a much bigger threat to Silva than strikers like Vitor, Nate, Wandy, or Franklin.

Frank makes 500,000.

Frank needs that much. He’s saving up for his orthodonture.

you mean like…anytime he’s asked a direct question? When is Dana NOT hiding something or spinning it beyond recognition!

the ufc wouldn’t have to “grease palms” to have big john rejected from being a ref.

all promotions can ask the commission ahead of time, to not allow certain refs, on account of conflict.. in most cases the commission agrees..

but yeah, i do agree with it being a bullshit grudge held by dana.. get big john back in there.

Strikeforce had nothing to do with that. That was a combination of Dana’s mouth and Vladim’s greed.

Fedor not signing to the UFC,I thought, had to do with the UFC not co-promoting with a company that has 2 fighters to offer. Both parties said the money was right, just the co-promotion deal couldn’t be made, nor should it have. Take half the revenue for a virtual unknown to fight. Fedor is not a mainstream draw here in the states.

No Syd, “bastards” is definitely spelled with an “A”. “Basterds” is not a word buddy, even if it’s part of a movie title. You shouldn’t correct spelling if you’re not sure.

SF had nothing to do with Fedor rejecting the UFC, they simply signed up a guy who had already said no to their main competition, chances are Fedor is not going to back down on the M-1 demands ever because he holds a 20% stake in the company, so if they make money for nothing he gets 20% of that money. Pure greed on his part but at least SF can put on some good HW matches with him, though the Buentello suggestion annoyed me.

And bastard is spelt like that, at least the word meaning illegitimate son.

Diceman, I know that bastards comes with an A. I was just playin’ and sayin’ it how Tarantino spells it. I know my spellin’…You fell for it…;)

How many times has Dana told someone “winner of this fight will get the next title fight”? He should really stop with that. Dan isn’t the first guy to get screwed over for a promised title shot. Do you think Dan has improved any area of his game that would make his next fight with AS any different? I know he won the first round, but Dan really never had a chance in that fight. Nothing has changed. I am not excited about seeing it happen again, and I know a lot of people agree. Even if Dan is number 2, he doesn’t stand a chance against AS. Sorry, he does have a punchers chance, but so does anyone really.

do you train with dan jay? do you think dan was planning on going into another fight with silva without the gameplan to win? get real. sure he has a punchers chance( name another middlewieght challenger that hits harder) and a wrestlers chance(funny how people forget to mention that.) he is the only middleweight fighter with the skillset to give anderson fits. if he came in in top shape i think he could win that fight in convincing fashion.

True and the point is he has the best chance out of any fighter in the MW division wich is why he should be getting a shot he’s the #2 MW in the world right now and if Silva retires he would be #1 UFC losing arguably the 2nd best fighter in the world can give Strikeforce arguably the #1 MW in the world when Silva retires.

Conan, differences between GSP/Brock and Dan Henderson, They sell tickets. Everyone knew that GSP was going to beat Hughes the second fight, Brock didn’t get a rematch for the belt against Murrr, Mur won the chance to try to take the belt from Lesnar. Dan didn’t give AS his best fight so far, that honor belongs to Travis Lutter. Tell me what Dan can do differently to win the AS fight and maybe you can sway me to your side. I don’t mind watching Dan lose to AS again, if it will stop some of you delusional fans from crying. A fight with Dan/AS isn’t going to sell tickets, if you don’t believe me read the threads about the rematch. No one is interested yet because Dan hasn’t done anything to make people think anything would be different in a second fight. If Dan beat Marqy I would want to see a rematch, but beating Bizzy just doesn’t prove anything. Bizzy would have gotten a title fight if he won because of the way they could have sold the heck out of it to UK fans, no other reason.

see two posts above for why i think the fight should happen. i still don’t buy the logic that there should be no rematches if a fighter wins in dominating fashion ala randy over chuck. dan will make adjustments, that is what fighters do. dan would knock out marquart just like he did bisbing. i actually doubt marquart could beat bisbing.

Dan hasn’t changed his gameplan ever. He is a wrestler with the best chin. Not that there is anything wrong with that. He isn’t going to submit anyone and he isn’t fast enough to try dancing and outboxing AS. He will throw haymakers and perhaps GNP, that is his skillset, always has been always will be. Give me a break with the Marquart and Bizzy joke.

Daniel are you suggesting that the UFC could pay people what Affliction was paying people and still make a profit? You are truly clueless!! Some of the things you say are breath taking to coin a phrase.

With the amount of fighters on the UFC roster they have to be careful on who gets what as a great as a fighter as Dan is he’s getting up there in age and you never know when he will start going down hill and lose fans interest that is already low unlike couture who will draw crowds because of his UFC history and thats what makes him and Dan different as far as a pay check goes Dan only has his figting ability on his side Couture has the name peaple pay to see. I don’t like it either and am a huge fan of MMA but business is business and if Coutures name is worth money the UFC would be stupid no to give him a big payday as for Henderson a couple losses and he wll be worth very little.

they are on different levels, that fight would be an easy paycheck for hendo.

If it went to the ground Dan would tap quick.

dan would tap quick? i dout it.

Maybe I went a little far overboard there. Babalu sucks, you’re right.

i don’t think bablu sucks at all, he might even win but a quick tap no, and dan has already beaten him once and has only been submitted by the best not that babs bjj is not top notch as well.

Ok theres babulu and gegard thats it though as far as anyone even thought to have a chance against Dan but I think babs chance against Dan is good as Dans chance against Silva.

yes, and that makes perfect sense. There are a lot bigger fights for him and for the fans if he moves to 205. The only reason for him to fight MW is for the belt. What does he gain from screwing around with Nate on the hope that maybe someday Dana will keep his promise. If he beats a TOP-5 guy at LHW, he’ll make a lot more money AND have a better shot at rematching Silva.

He might even be the best challenger for the LHW belt in the UFC. He’s biggest weakness in his UFC fights has been his cardio if his endurance is top notch he can compete with anyone at LHW or MW and could easily be the #2 or 3 LHW.

I agree PH. He’s a better wrestler than Rashad with more power and a better chin. With Rampage gone, Hendo would definitely be in the top 2 contenders at LHW.

I agree too if his endurance was better against Rampage he could of fought for better positioning but I think him and Rampage were both tired and wrestling on fumes if he was even at 90% he could of taken positioning with his skills as he he did early in the Silva fight regardless though the Strikeforce belt means nothing and I can’t see Dan fighting for nothing but I guess when your 39 you start thinking of retirement in this sport.

Conan is one of the few people on here who sees the Hendo/Silva situation with any degree of realism or perspective and who isn’t infatuated with Marquardt. Keep the truth alive, Conan!

He is one of the people who believe that guys who dominated in Pride will dominate in the UFC. Proven time and again to be untrue.

he reallt didn’t dominate in pride and he did just fine in the ufc losing to only 2 fromer pride fighters so it looks like the pride fighters have done just fine in the ufc.

Isn’t this video three four days old?