BJ Penn: 'I definitely want to fight GSP again'
by Jesse Holland on Oct 13, 2009 10:33 AM EDT
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"I definitely want to fight GSP again. I'm biased and I have confidence in myself and I don't think the fight would go anything like that if we fought again. I've got to defend the lightweight title and take on all challenges that make me better but if I get a chance to fight GSP again — even if it was a non-title fight — I'd jump at the opportunity. There will always be people to beat and as the lightweight champion I have to honor that and keep defending the title. But as a businessman you hope it's someone with a big name who can bring a big fan base into the fight. This is a business — it's the entertainment business and the biggest fights that can be put together will only benefit me. I am surprised Georges St. Pierre hasn't tried to push for a fight with Anderson Silva. If I was the welterweight champion I'd try and push myself and see what I could do up at middleweight."
Despite the fact that he's heading into a very dangerous fight with Diego Sachez on Dec. 12, UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn is still hoping to get revenge on reigning welterweight kingpin Georges St. Pierre -- as well as other "superfights" before he hangs up the gloves for good. "The Prodigy" will put his 155-pound title on the line once again when he faces the "Nightmare" at UFC 107 from the FedEx Forum in Memphis, Tenn., and if he gets past the former TUF star, expect the GSP chatter to intensify. Anyone interested in a third go-round?
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NO!! Stop it BJ!! You had 2 chances and you lost both of them. I hope Dieog squashesthis punk and ends this nonsense once and for all.
by thetuf75 on Oct 13, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe GSP learned from BJ’s mistake in moving up a weight-class to fight the all-world champion of the division, and isn’t interested in getting handed a beat down like BJ was.
by Diceman on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Why go up and be smashed and humiliated? BJ listen up boy.
by jay on Oct 13, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that BJ is kidding himself here and purely just using it as a dig at GSP. To be fair he has got a point,
BJ = dominant at 155 so goes up for a challenge
Sliva = dominant at 185 so goes up for a challenge
GSP = dominant at 170 so stays there and fights bums lie Swick/Hardy.
I know it is a keyboard warrior thing to say sitting at my desk. But just think GSP should suck it up and give Silva a run.
Thing is it may be Dana saying no, he can split the two and sell more PPV’s overall.
by Nick J on Oct 13, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude you need to rethink your post.
BJ has a point? BJ is naturally a pudgy little 175 lbs guy. He doesn’t move up to a challenge as much as he just doesn’t get into shape. Silva is a natural 210 lbs guy, he has to shrink to 185 and pretty much doesn’t have to do anything to hit 205. GSP is naturally about 180 so he basically has to eat fudge cake for breakfast to barely be 185 at the weigh-ins. To do that and fight a guy is is 210 shrinking to 185 is just stupid.
And bums like Swick and Hardy? I’m not too big on Hardy so I don’t want to defend him but what is Swick now…. 9-1 in the UFC? Bum… are you freakin’ kidding me?
by JasonFahQ on Oct 13, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP could easily do exactly what Anderson Silva has done, fight guys in the next division who are his own size, on loosing streaks, and/or hand-picked to make him look good because they are slow and have no offensive tools that threaten him. I don’t hear Silva calling out Machida or Shogun. He calls out irrellevant guys like Mir or half-speed punchers like Forrest.
Much as I hate Mama’s Boy Penn, at least he doesn’t hand-pick his opponents like Anderson does. When he moves up, he takes on the best. (and gets his butt kicked for it.)
by Ronin on a River on Oct 13, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Dicking around at WW and above for a decade is exactly the reason why we have to acknowledge Gomi as the Greatest LW ever even though he can never beat BJ. Build a solid legacy like Nog with a laundry list of top 10 opposition before going up for a different challenge. Beating 3 top 10 WW is not such a list even if there is no one who can even come close to challenging GSP. Just my thought though.
by NameNotRequired on Oct 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
A. Silva and Machida are BFF, that’s why they won’t fight. Silva really has nothing left to prove at 185, so all Dana can do is get him compelling non-title fights at 205. If Silva makes 205 or even HW a permanent move then GSP could easily move up and start to work clearing out that division as well. BJ has not yet cleaned out the LW division, so he has some work to do before he thinks about moving up.
by PW on Oct 13, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think GSP is too scared to tarnish his ‘legacy’ and would never agree to fight Silva.
by KS on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
ronin on a river, you’re an idiot. silva didnt call our forrest. silva had two lack-luster title defenses at MW so dana and the ufc wanted to give him a fight where he had to push the pace and had to defend himself.
he won’t call out machida because they are friends. he says he will never fight machida, even though dana says that he will make that fight happen. and mir called him out, silva didnt call him out. silva just responded to what mir said about him.
i totally agree with KS, st.pierre is just afraid to tarnish his legacy so he won’t step up and take the fight that everyone wants to see because he knows he will get beat. he doesnt have the courage to step up and take on that challenge.
by taylor on Oct 13, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Jason, Silva fought at 174lbs in Cage Rage. The fact that he now decides to fight at 205 is a great credit to him.
It bugs me when people say ‘he is a l/hw cutting a ton’. No way, that was Rich Franklin. Silva is naturally lean or even to the point of being skinny.
When he moves up he doesn’t pack on muscle like GSP could, he just gets soft round the edges. Inbetween fights he may weigh 210 but only because he gets out of shape.
GSP is a massive W/W and fighting someone like Kang or Leites there would hardly be any size difference.
Silva only hasn’t lined up a title shot because he doesn’t want to fight Machida.
Take your point about swick and hardy, they’re not bums, wrong choice of words… just weak challengers.
by Nick J on Oct 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No reason he should! Did you see Anderson/Forrest? Andy was every bit as big as Griffin. And Griffin made Rampage and Rashad look small. Andy is one of the biggest guys at LHW and easily a TOP 5 at that weight.. No reason he should be fighting a Welterweight, no matter how dominant GSP is. I don’t hear anyone telling GSP to challenge Rampage or Couture or even Tito, so why should he fight Andy who’s as heavy as those guys and has a longer reach. Might as well just ask GSP to fight Fedor? He’s only 5-10 lbs heavier than Anderson and not as tall. And what’s in it for Silva if he fights GSP? If he wins, he proves nothing except that he can beat up a guy 40-45 lbs smaller. If he loses, (which is highly unlikely) there goes his aire of invincibility.
If Anderson was a natural 180-190 lb fighter, I’d be screaming for this fight (and think GSP would win it). But he’s not and it’s not a reasonable expectation. If BJ thinks so, let him take on Wanderlei and Nate.
Speaking of which, who else here would like for Marquardt to be the one to welcome Wandy to MW???
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno…its hard for me to believe GSP is scared to fight Anderson. Losing to the middleweight champ who destroyed 2 opponents at LHW, and who many consider to be the best p4p fighter in the world is hardly something to be ashamed of, even for an elite fighter like GSP. The pressure would be on Anderson, more so than GSP..he has more to lose in that fight…that being said, rush DOESNT seem too interested in that fight so who knows…maybe he doesnt want his face re-arranged like Franklin…lol
by salamagogo on Oct 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly you can look at there heights to show how much they can gain even though a lot of peaple for some reason think he is a big WW he really isn’t it just has been a division were those fighters happen to be around that weight and don’t need to cut much or go down to LW like Sanchez. Infact GSP was 15 lighter than his last opponent Alves the night of the fight. Another thing most don’t know is BJ is only a inch shorter than GSP and not giving up a large reach advantage only the weight advantage of 13 to 15pounds much like GSP was giving up to Alves.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see GSP move up at fight Silva also. I’ll probably stir up the pot by saying this but I really believe GSP would beat Silva at 185. But that aside, what’s wrong with GSP going down in history as the best ww ever. When Matt Hughes was the long reigning champ people weren’t clamoring for him to move up and fight at a higher weight. Dana already said it will never happen because GSP is too small. I disagree. By the way, BJ shut the h#*! up for once, PLEASE!
by Wes on Oct 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok all you guys saying GSP should move up to face Silva because Silva moved up when he cleaned out the MW division, think about this…BJ moved up to fight GSP, and GSP is and always has been a WW. GSP hasn’t been moving up to MW and smashing people, and thinking about a move to LHW. You know why? Because GSP doesn’t have the size of a MW or LHW like Silva has the size of a LHW or HW. So you’re asking a WW to move up to fight a guy that you all probably consider a top-5 fighter in a weight class that is TWO divisions above GSP. I mean how ridiculous do you have to be to think that GSP SHOULD do it? If he wants to try his luck, more power to him, but in my opinion, it’s a bit much to ask of him. And like I said, if BJ is as skilled as he is and got smashed by GSP, how well can you realistically expect GSP to do against Silva?
by Diceman on Oct 13, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ just needs to stop thinkin about GSP.. Theres no way he would beat him if they fought again. He doesnt have the tools setup to beat him and has proved it…
by belfort_fan on Oct 13, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Nick J Silva didn’t go up for a challenge. Ivin is a joke and Forrest’s style was a gift for Silva. Now if he went up and fought Machida you would have a point.
by Gord on Oct 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Point is gord Silva is bigger than the biggest LHW the fact that he can get down to 185 for weigh ins and weigh around the same as the average LHW on fight night is amazing and a huge advantage. That would be equivelent to GSP being able to lose enough weight to fight at LW and weigh around 180 on fight night!! Silva is a freak being able to cut so much weight but really he is kinda of cheating the system and should really be a LHW and still be one of the biggest LHW. The only person Silva fought bigger than him was Forrest and not by much GSP has fought a man 15 pounds heavier than him in Alves wich is more than Silva has ever gave up in the UFC.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The stupid point everyone is making that Silva is like 250 lbs, well HE CUTS his weight to 185. He would be hardly any bigger than GSP at 185 lbs.
The size difference is no different than BJ vs GSP size difference. GSP holds his weight very well at 170 and Silva does very well at 185.
Silva walking around around 230 lbs is a joke. Silva walks around maybe 215 out of shape. Conditioned he is probably low 200s and he can cut down to the 185.
“OH, silva looked so big next to Griffin” So what. It is the weight that counts. GSP has no reason to not step up other than fear.
by JeremyJackscan on Oct 13, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson doesn’t have as much muscle mass as Randy Couture or Tito.
Tito and Couture could NOT make 185. It would be impossible.
Amderson is not as big as everyone is making him out to be. He can just pack on good muscle to fight at 205 and that is it. He can lose this muscle and fight at 185 also.
Tito at 185 impossible. Couture impossible.
by JeremyJackscan on Oct 13, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ at 185 Silva weighs 210-215 the night of the fight and GSP maybe could way 200 the night of the fight if he can handle the extra weight on his 5’10" body? Wich is what he’s not sure of conditioning wise if he can can and would take some time the weight advantage GSP has over BJ is 15pounds much like the advantage Alves had on GSP but Silva right now would have at least a 25pound advantage that would be like BJ fighting Alves right now.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackscan-you’re comparing the difference in weight between BJ and GSP to the weight difference between GSP and Silva. Sure, come fight night, GSP might weigh around 185, just as BJ came in around 170. But you’re VERY incorrect in saying that weight is the only thing that counts. For instance height and body fat percentage also play a huge role in advantages. Sure BJ and GSP weighed in like 2 or 3 pounds apart, but I bet GSP easily had 25+ pounds of muscle on BJ. That is a huge advantage that just looking at the weights of the two fighters doesn’t tell you. And like I said, BJ got DOMINATED when he moved up, so why are you trying to say that GSP should move up because it’s similar? If it’s so similar, than logic says that GSP will get owned. That is unless you think GSP’s skill is enough to offset what will be a significant height and weight disadvantage. And for how everyone talks about the phenomenal skill set of BJ, it sure didn’t do much for him against GSP. So what makes you think it would be different? So yeah, I think there are a few reasons other than “fear”. Namely sense and logic.
by Diceman on Oct 13, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
mania: gsp has shown plenty of interest in a fight with silva, it’s dana who has nixed that idea after seeing what gsp did to bj and what silva did to forrest.
NickJ- the only reason why gsp will have to fight “weaker challengers” is b/c he has already wiped out the division’s top fighters with ease. kos,hughes,serra,fitch, bj, and alves is probably the greatest run a fighter in any weight division has gone on. hughes just kept fighting the same guys over and over and threw in a few cans like riggs and a washed up royce.
gsp has never fought a can in his entire career, even before he was champ he beat guys like mayhem, herion, trigg,karo,bj. he’s lost twice but avenged both those losses with ease.
by the time he retires i think gsp will go down as the greatest mma fighter of all time.
by j.b. on Oct 13, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, j.b., except for Hendo and Franklin, GSP has dominated a much deeper division of more talented fighters. The MW division has been the weakest division in the UFC since well before Silva took the reigns. If they hadn’t brought in Hendo and Vitor from outside, Franklin would be considered his only noteworthy defense. Welterweight looks empty now, but only because GSP completely dominated all the amazing talent that division was stacked with.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
what they weigh doesn’t mean anything, it’s what they pack at that weight (muscle mass, body fat, reach, height, cardio) Cheick Kongo is easily much bigger than someone like Frank Mir is, yet he’s still about 15 lbs lighter.
by RoBerto on Oct 13, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
They need to stop selling glue on the islands as this guy is definitley sniffing it. I think he is infatuated with GSP and this is the closest that he’ll get to actually penetrating him with his gitch on….
by deadgrassinyard on Oct 13, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP would get handled way worse than BJ did.
by Michael on Oct 13, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This ridiculous. Why can’t he let it go? It’s been what 9 months now? And to be honest, he didn’t look all that impressive against Florian.
Secondly there would be no change in the outcome of another fight with GSP. Even with his new S&C program he’s still not on the level of GSP conditioning wise, not to mention BJ is a natural 155er, not a WW. He should stay @ LW. He hasn’t earned shit for a title shot @ WW. I think he’s 1-3 @ WW right now. He has to earn it like everyone else.
Lastly. People bitching about GSP not moving up is ludicrous. Nobody bitched about Hughes not moving up after dominating WW for so long, nobody bitched about Chuck Liddell not moving up after holding the title @ LHW. GSP isn’t stupid and is not going to do what BJ did and move up being outweighed.
And if GSP did have time to gain the weight and move up, he has a better chance at beating Anderson that anyone Anderson has faced thus far. Anderson has zero TDD and against a fighter like GSP, that doesn’t look good.
by zachy on Oct 13, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LHW don’t move up to fight a 280 lbs monster!
GSP had time to gain weight, lol.
Take the fight. It’s martial arts, do you have to take 2 years off to try to get your body ready?
BJ didn’t have any size advantage and still fought. How come GSP has to scheme to try to equalize the size. Take the fight and gain all the weight you can in 6 months.
by JeremyJackscan on Oct 13, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Summary: GSP would get owned by Anderson. Great takedowns can’t make it through 3 rounds against Anderson, maybe 1, MAYBE 2, but not 3 rounds.
You are bound to get hammered on one of those attempts.
by JeremyJackscan on Oct 13, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP has better chance against Anderson?
Hmm.
GSP vs Henderson at 185 lbs (GSP guaranteed winner??)
GSP vs Nate Marq at 185 lbs (GSP win?)
I’d like to see those fights before I call GSP the 2nd best MW.
by JeremyJackscan on Oct 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’re admitting that GSP would get owned, just as BJ did, but you say he should still take the fight. You are not very bright.
by Diceman on Oct 13, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ GSP is the best MW no one with any intelligence will argue that as BJ Penn is the best LW and Silva is the best MW and Machida the best LHW. Yes GSP could beat most of the MW but he would have to play it safe like Silva did and test out a 7th or 8th ranked MW and work his way up but like Silva he probally doesn’t want to give up his belt and unlike Silva he would have a harder time moving to from differnt weight classes.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Gud Stuff there Diceman, way to put these knuckleheads in their place.
by DAVE A on Oct 13, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Diceman, Dave is right. You’re doing well.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He did learn…how to call out fighters from a heavier weight div…
by Syd on Oct 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Lmao…. GSP Garanteed would throw silva around like a ragdoll and GnP him by second round…. and silver understands this fact, thus avoiding a GSP Challenge!!!!!!
by G.S.P.P4P.CHAMP!!! on Nov 9, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
wow, dickman, you arent very mma-smart are you waldo! Any mma person outside of brazil understands that GSP/Silva fight is a saw off and potential serious problem for a. silva to handle,,, including 90 percent of mma pro fighters, but hey, what do they know compared to you, the DICKMAN! Lmao MORON!
by G.S.P.P4P.CHAMP!!! on Nov 9, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
DICKMAN… YOU AND ALL THE OTHER BJ PENN NUTHUGGERS NEED TO LET IT GO AND ADMT WHAT EVERYONE ELSE REALIZES, THAT GSP IS HANDS DOWN THE VERY BEST P4P FIGHTER THIS PLANET HAS EVER SEEN! GET OVER IT YOU INTERNET SCAREDY-NERDS!
by G.S.P.P4P.CHAMP!!! on Nov 9, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe I’m the only one tired of superfights. I don’t think they are fair to the divisions and leave more questions then answers.
I’m sure Dana ‘Superfight’ White would disagree but he’s looking for cash and I’m looking for great fights not the one fight to end all fights.
by Arnold on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ get a life. Why would you want this fight? GSP is 10x the athlete you are and 50x the fighter you will ever be. No one wants to see you get another crack at GSP. We already know the outcome, we seen it twice already. What is it you could do to change the outcome??
by jay on Oct 13, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay Jay. You just proved how immature people can be on this site. Why would BJ want this fight.?? Bj lost the first fight via split decision. It could of gone either way. Bj lost the second fight via greasing. Im sure alot of people wanna see this fight. The GSP fans would love for him to beat Bj again. Or lay on him. And I wanna see Bj get another chance…No grease. Yea, im using grease alot, because if you do watch the tape,hands down, he was greasing. And maybe the fight wouldve been different. Theres always a way to finally end this. Stop ducking BJ.
by RobMania on Oct 13, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL at greasing. You are one in the legion of idiots who thinks a dime sized amount of grease that was rubbed on GSP’s face, brow, and cheeks before any residual amount made it to his shoulders amounts to anything. GSP is better than Penn at every aspect of fighting, and nearly ended BJ’s career that night. The next time would be the end of Penn’s career.
by Lazarus on Oct 13, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, Rob, care to explain how grease accounts for GSP outstriking B.J. 5 to 1 on the feet? How does it explain him taking B.J. down effortlessly whenever he wanted to?
B.J. got completely outclassed in every aspect of the game, and just used the grease allegations to take attention away from his humiliation.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You are delusional Rob.
Obviously BJ wants the fight, he lost twice already. And if YOU cant see why GSP would have no interest in a 3rd fight you dont comprehend a true fighters mind – they want to push themself, not chalk up an easy W. Which is part of the reason Penn wants him so bad, he wants to push himself – even if he does get the shet beat outta him.
by WB on Oct 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Get a life…Penn was beatdown and quit. Thats it thats all. If BJ is truly serious about wanting another shot at Georges, why should he get a pass and leapfrog all the other great WW’s. Make Penn fight the likes of Alves, Fitch or even a Koscheck or Rumble Johnson. He already got his free pass and we all know how that worked out for him. If he can beat Alves then yeah he deserves another shot at Georges, but until he shows that he can beat the UFC’s WW elite…STFU. JMO.
by Couch Champ on Oct 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay Rob you just showed everyone that not everyone who deserves to be in a mental institute is actually in a mental institute. GSP greased and won that fight only because of it? I will not bother arguing your point because I did that already. If you think BJ Penn has any chance at winning against any of the top 5 WW, let alone GSP, you are slow. The first fight couldn’t have gone either way, GSP won that fight from bell to bell, an eye poke doesn’t win a fight, he did nothing other than that. BJ isn’t in the same league, and I feel sorry for you.
by jay on Oct 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeez! Again with the greasing crap! Dude, I’ve been watching a LOT of old fights in the past few weeks and I’ve notice “Il Mustachio” (the guy who looks like Groucho marks) at least half of the time after he puts vasolene on fighters faces, he wipes his hand off on thier chest or shoulders. There is nothing in the video of GSP to indicate that there was anything intentional about it. However, if you watch Penn’s videos closely you can frequently see him digging his fingers into people’s eye sockets whenever he gets in a tight spot. Figures. Cheaters are the first ones to accuse others of cheating.
And Georges already “finally ended this”. He dominated B.J. so bad that he quit…after all that talk about anyone who taps being a pu$$y, BJ wouldn’t come out of his corner to finish taking his beating!
by Ronin on a River on Oct 13, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
@RobMania Correction: BJ Penn lost that second fight courtesy of a violent one sided beating by a bigger and stronger athlete who is arguably a better fighter.
Greasing was a convenient excuse for BJ who simply couldn’t accept what happened.
GSP applied no grease to himself. Why would a wrestler who relies on friction which greasing counters grease anyhow? How do we know BJ himself wasn’t overly slippery and transference came into play? Seriously you can argue it til you die but fact is BJ lost to a better fighter that night.
The fight would be different a third time, it would be a second round stoppage and possibly the end of BJ’s career.
by ArmChairMMA on Oct 13, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn’t BJ first avenge his loss to Hughes? Yes he has looked dominant at 155, but that doesn’t mean he deserves a shot at the WW title. I doubt he would beat Fitch so no point in giving him GSP again.
by Spitforce on Oct 13, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What BJ doesn’t want you to know is the real reason he wants a third match. He wants to poke GSP in the eye real hard and end his career on the spot. Revenge.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ must be smokin rocks to think that he belongs in the cage w/GSP at this point in their careers. I think the third time around would be much worse for Penn. GSP would be out for revenge from all the greasing crap and looking to make a statement.
by tylerS on Oct 13, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Rocks are lighter underwater, genius! B.J. is carrying rocks in his brain box.
by Ronin on a River on Oct 13, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
In fairness, I don’t hate BJ. I actually love fighters like him who are capable of finishing fights standing, from top position or off his back. He just frustrates the hell out of me because certain guys, Florian for example, work their tails off to get the most out of their ability, while BJ coasts on natural gifts and does just enough to get by. If he got with a new camp and dedicated himself instead of beating up on all his buddies he would be able to end all discussion about who is the best LW fighter of all time, including all those Japanese dudes. Instead he whines about an undeserved third fight with GSP.
by PW on Oct 13, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t hate Penn for his natural gifts. I hate him for his cry-baby, mama’s-boy whimpering when he loses. I hate him for accusing one of the classiest, most sportsmanlike guys in the sport of being a cheater, when B.J. himself is a notorious eye-gouger. I hate him for saying that anyone who quits in a fight is a pu@@y, and then throwing in the towel while sitting on a stool in no danger of injury. Basically, I hate him for being a hyprocrit.
But I understand what you’re saying about sharing the frustration of dedicated work-horses like Florian and Stevenson. I think B.J. has already proven he’s the best lightweight of all time and would walk through those guys that fight in Japan just like he’s walked through the UFC’s lightweights (though I’d still love to see guys like Aoki, Gomi, Alvarez come over and see how they stack up to the UFC talent.) But I don’t hate him for his gifts and his natural dominance. I hate him for the fact that he has those things and still complains about everything that doesn’t go his way. He’s like a pampered rich kid who doesn’t show any gratitude for what he has and thinks the world owes him something because he’s done us all such a favor by being born.
by Ronin on a River on Oct 13, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ must be on some of that Paulo Filho Reward Hunter $hit!
by tylerS on Oct 13, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That was beautiful Ronin. You express with words the feelings of the silent majority. Technically, I think that would make you a poet.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. Not only that but has anyone ever noticed that most “superfights” never ever live up to the hype, they usually suck.
by Rich on Oct 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
it won’t ever happen again.. but you can keep your title at 155 till you retire cause i don’t see anyone beating you.. not even those japs from dream or seg.
by Mikeybear on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Grease or no grease, we all know BJ got handled. But he does have a point here. From a business prespective, as the fan base buying the PPVs, would more people pay to see GSP-BJ 3, or watch GSP pummel Swick, Hardy, or anyone else in the Welterweight division he has already destroyed? I for one would much rather watch this fight. Not to mention the amount of casual fans that this fight could be marketed to. Now, put this fight in Hawaii, outdoors at the Aloha bowl, a strong undercard and we are talking record numbers. I am biased because I am a BJ fan but GSP fans out there can’t tell me they are not itching to put the greasing thing to rest. Let’s do this!
by Boom Goes the Dynamite! on Oct 13, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP should be matched up with a top 5 185lbr contender.
by DAVE A on Oct 13, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I say give him Demian Maia! That’d be a great fight. Maia looks more like a natural 185er than Hendo, Franklin, or Silva ever were. And Maia’s mind blowing jits would off-set GSP’s wrestling and maybe inspire Georges to show off some of that awesome stand-up we’ve seen so little of since he won the belt.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Demian Maia, is a 1st good pick! Let GSP ease his way in a little bit at 185lbs to determine how well he could do with these bigger fighters. Something BJ Penn should have thought about… the only reason anyone would want to see Penn VS GSP again is to watch a 1 sided beating and watch him cry and complain afterwards.
by DAVE A on Oct 13, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He should try and fight a few of the smaller 185ers like Maia but really a lot of the 185ers could easily be LW and most of the top guys have been. Even Alves was bigger than GSP by 15 pounds the night of the fight the top fighters at 185 weigh around 210 the night of the fight 25 pounds different were BJ vs GSP isabout 13pounds. GSP has a training partner in Nate Marquardt who is a good measuring stick for GSP to judge if he has the ability to move up and fight as nate probally weighs around 210 the night of the fight. The best fighter BJ has beat at WW is hughes and Hughes isn’t that big of a WW so comparing the two based on fighting at different weights proves nothing really especially against Silva the pound for pound champion that weihs around 215 the night of the fight? Remember BJ is only 1" shorter than GSP.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m the biggest BJ fan, but have no interest in seeing he and GSP fight again.
I do agree that GSP should challenge himself! Swick and hardy couldn’t beat GSP at the same time!
by kevin on Oct 13, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this fight will never happen, but i’d love to see GSP vs. Marquardt.
by Spitforce on Oct 13, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the bloody beating the BJ put on GSP in the first fight did not count they have stopped fight for less the what GSP took. And two i was at the second fight and GSP is a cheater just Like Matt Hughes said years ago. I think that BJ a man for taking top fights and not being scared to step out of his weight division like when he fought Machida and lost a Decision so GSP needs to Nut up stupid Canuck
by Sean on Oct 16, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
of all the welterweights being touted as possible title contenders i actually believe bj is the closest there is to anyone beating gsp
however i think as he has had two failed attempts he should be made to earn another shot by beating someone like fitch or alves
by paolo on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
Aparently you didn’t see the last rematch with GSP and BJ cause he didn’t win a minute let alone a round.
by Rich on Oct 13, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case he will never fight GSP again, BJ would lose to those guys. Both of them faired much better against GSP.
by Gord on Oct 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep on looking ahead BJ, your NIGHTMARE is just now beginning…..
by kg on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
BJ is delusional, gsp allready said he has no problems fighting whoever the ufc puts in front of him, even anderson , he is just not crying about it, and thinks he deserves to jump over evry other contender,but he would do it the right way and gain about 20 lbs of solid muscle first. GSP has evolved into 10x the fighter, since he last destroyed bj, and it would be much worse this time for bj if thats possible. I would really fear for bjs life.
by curly on Oct 13, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions
I guess you didn’t watch the post-fight interview after GSP’s fight at UFC 100. He clearly stated he did not want to fight Silva because of the size disadvantage.
by John k. on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
john , gsp said no such thing, he said he is open to a fight with anderson, but would want a yr to pack on some solid muscle, he doesnt want to do it like bj, whose idea of gaining 20 lbs to compete at the nest weight class, is to go on a burrito eating binge. Gsp clearly said he has no problems, if in the future, to fight anderson, because he wants to challenge himself, but he would need time, and its up to the ufc, he just didnt demand it, lie that spoiled , rich bratt BJ, who thinks he should get whatever he wants, without earning it.
by curly on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
it doesn’t take a year to pack on 20lbs of muscle.
by Michael on Oct 13, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually it does if you do it naturally. I did a graduate study on the very subject and research has found that in optimal physiological conditions Workout, diet, sleep) the average athlete can only gain 10-12 lbs of muscle mass a year. That’s scientific proof. Info found by Dr. Charles Yesalis, PhD, Penn State University study. Also he is head of IOC drug testing.
by Wes on Oct 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
What part of" I want to take the time to add some weight and really take care of business" did you misunderstand to mean GSP didn’t want the fight.
by Gord on Oct 13, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re both right. GSP said he would fight Silva if the UFC asked him to, but he didn’t see much point because
“I am rally nut a very much big for a wilter-wet, rally. I am walk around abote Hundred-eighty pound. An’ zat guy, Anersone, I heerd he’s walks around abote two-hundreds-sirty pound, so is not really close for my wight.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha. award winning dumb and dumber duo.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ is right though…It does surprise me that GSP has not pushed for a fight with Anderson at 185. He’s pretty much cleaned out the WW division…move on to bigger things George.
by Ron Konkoma on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
BJ got destroyed when he moved up, why would GSP take his advice on moving up to fight?
by Diceman on Oct 13, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you missed the Anderson Silva – Frank Mir Hype.
Anderson is exploring fights at HW.
That should answer your question Ron.
by Big Zino on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Anderson’s natural weight IS HEAVYWEIGHT. He normally weighs 220-225. He’s as big as Cro Cop, Forrest, and Couture. Anderson is closer in weight to Frank Mir and Fedor than he is to GSP, and Mir is an inferior fighter. Anderson isn’t “exploring” fights at HW, he’s calling out specific guys he knows pose no threat to him.
There are a lot of good fights for GSP at Middleweight, but taking on the P4P best who’s 40 lbs heavier and 5 inches taller is too much to ask. It’d be like BJ challenging Machida. Oh wait, he DID that…and got beat!
Dispite being a crybaby wuss, BJ is a great fighter. He’s 12-1-1 against LWs. But he’s only 2-4 against other weight classes. Why should Georges tarnish his accomplishments with losses that don’t mean anything against superstars 40 lbs larger?
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems to me like the ones calling on GSP to fight Silva don’t even give GSP a chance. Your agenda is obvious. I guess because GSP raped your boy, you want to see him get smashed. I just want to see competitive fights. Set GSP up with a well rounded MW, and let’s see how he does.
by DH on Oct 13, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly DH, when they say “GSP needs to challenge himself” what they really mean is “I’m a hater and I’m so desperate to see GSP lose that I’d make him fight Gozilla if I could.”
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
someone need to tell this balding , old midgett, to concentrate on being a lw, he should not even be mentioned in the same breath as GSP, he will have hard enough time beating fighters like diego, or maynard. He would get crushed by top WWS like fitch, and alves who GSP toys with.
by curly on Oct 13, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
If he wanted to fight Georges so bad, why didn’t he come out of his corner for round 5? Oh, I forgot, his Mama and his lawyer told him not to.
He’s just talking smack cause he knows he’ll never have to back it up. He should take another crack at Matt Hughes first. They’re 1-1.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
BJs last fight against gsp. was one of the worst mismatches of all time, it was like seeing a father, beat up his 5 yr old son, and since then gsp has greatly evolved, he even toyed with alves, and gsp stated when he fights again he will again be much better than even when he fought alves, which is a scarry thought. gsp long ago passed bj as a fighter, he is way more skilled, and much more athletic than bj, on top of being much stronger, and bigger, and faster. i wouldnt be suprised if gsp soon passed up bj in bjj also, he is just a genetic freak of nature,whose rate of improvement is unmatched
by curly on Oct 13, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got to agree, give him (washed up) Hughes and see how he handles it first. Then possibly Alves or Fitch, then we’ll see. They haven’t even thrown A. Silva into a LHW title fight yet.
by slim473 on Oct 13, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly if he wants to fight the champ GSP he should have to through Alves to gain another opportunity even though Alves just lost to GSp he is still the second best WW in the world and BJ should at least have to beat him before getting an opportunity again.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hughes only wants to fight big names so here you go. I say Hughes drops down to 155 and fights for the title. Give BJ a little of his own medicine. Too bad hughes is half the man he was when he beat penn the last time around.
by Spitforce on Oct 13, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think GSP woiuld even take the fight at this point. Why, so he could get smeared in the media for another year because of this cabage patch kid. Dont give him the satisfaction George, he aint worth the effort anymore!!!!!!!!!!!
by Spyder on Oct 13, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
he should fight other named Welterweights – he can beat most of them – him and Thiago Alves/Fitch would be interesting fights maybe
by Jerrolds on Oct 13, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
I think B.J. vs Koscheck or HughesIII would be a great fights! Also would love to see GSP vs Maia or Kang. Those guys should cut down and make a run at WW since MW is a bit crowded at the top right now and WW is desperate for legit contenders.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Since he got smashed in his last fight for the WW title, he should fight a top contender at WW for the chance to fight GSP again, otherwise he’d be leapfrogging guys who have fought their way through the division and earned a title shot.
by Belisarius on Oct 13, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions
No one is going to call out arguably the best fighter in the world at a higher weight division when they are coming off of an injury. No one who is smart anyways. Some day we will see Silva, GSP, unless Silva takes the LHW belt.
by JayJay on Oct 13, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
I’m a Penn fan but i agree with the consensus. Look at the size difference in that picture!
by cap0 on Oct 13, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
Hey BJ, GSP did offer to fight you a third time, and you reacted by trying to get the commission to suspend GSP’s license. (Talk about an underhanded way to duck a fight!)
You haven’t won a welterweight fight against ANYBODY (let alone a top 10) for the last 4 years.
You’ve only got two wins against top 10 lightweights.
You don’t deserve another shot at GSP. Get over yourself.
by FC on Oct 13, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
he did beat Hughes at the top of his game
by FatAttack513 on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and lost to Hughes when Hughes was on the way out.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No he lost to hughes when he was still at the top – at the time he just got by GSP and Gracie
It was a title fight and BJ had him in a body triangle AND an armbar before he tore something apparently
by Jerrolds on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ would destroy Hughes in a fight!! He beat him in his prime, when BJ wasn’t even training full time. He was beating and schooling Hughes in the first two rounds of the rematch before he tore his quad or rib muscle when he had Hughes in a submission. I agree GSP would beat BJ again, but give me a break with this Hughes stuff.
by doubled on Oct 13, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
When GSP tears a muscle, he hit his adversary with it. He doesn’t use it as an excuse for not winning. BJ is a quitter.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“But as a businessman you hope it’s someone with a big name who can bring a big fan base into the fight. This is a business — it’s the entertainment business and the biggest fights that can be put together will only benefit me.”
Yes, it is a business and the fans have spoken. We don’t care to see GSP vs BJ 3.
K, thanks.
by Russian on Oct 13, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
You gotta admire his fight though. Say what you will about BJ he’s a fighter’s fighter and he sure isn’t scared of anyone. I mean the man fought Lyoto Machida for CHrist’s sake—that’s 3 weight classes above him. If GSp were more like him we would be seeing the biggest fight possibly ever between him and AS.
by frosnt1 on Oct 13, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
talk is cheap. why doesn’t bj call out BROCKLESNAR! at one point bj thought he could hold all 5 belts, including HW. he nsaid so in aninterview with rogan.
by j.b. on Oct 13, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember him saying that! He’s always been reality-impaired.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree & disagree if possible. BJ def. shouldn’t be looking past Diego, I think out of anyone at the LW division Diego has the best chance at winning. He’s a huge LW and could pose a threat with strength. GSP is left fighting Cans at 170lbs. Who really poses a threat? Swick…LMAO. I think its a joke. The WW division has become the weakest division in UFC. In my opinion i’d say that Silva, GSP, & BJ are my top 3 fighters in ufc, and only people willign to challenge themselves is Silva & BJ.but i guess if i was dominant at 170 and wanna seem unstoppable i’d stay there as well.
by RandyNewman on Oct 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
gsp needs to move up in weight. theres nobody ay ww for him, nobody he can’t smash anyway. he needs to step-up and test himself
by FatAttack513 on Oct 13, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions
I still say the only decent challenge for GSP at WW is Anthony Johnson… I think rumble would smash Swick and Hardy..but I guess they wanna build him ap a bit longer.
by salamagogo on Oct 13, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly why they need to bring in Sheilds and Cung Le and Nick Diaz, and why guys like Maia need to drop down.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP vs. Hendo! a good test for GSP at 185 before he could get a shot at Silva. think about this fight, stylewise an all out war!!
by kneetotheface on Oct 13, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
I’m getting tired of watching the same guys fight the same guys. I don’t care who would win, I want to see GSP fight somebody else, with half a chance, that he hasn’t already. This is why Dana is afraid to copromote. If he brings in some WEC guy and he lights GSP up to no end, Dana just lost all that weight the GSP carried. It’s a no win situation for Dana because on the other hand, who cares if GSP destroys some WEC bum.
by JoePlumber on Oct 13, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
The WEC guys are already in the UFC. Carlos Condit for example. Johnny Hendricks, Danillo Villefort as well. Who else is there outside of the UFC’s WWs? Shields who’s moved up to MW? Diaz who lost to Sherk and Sanchez in his last UFC stint? Riggs who lost to Sanchez? Hieron who lost to GSP already? Honestly, there’s not alot of WW competition outside of the UFC. At least none that’s interesting. This is just a sign of how good GSP really is.
by n4tacon on Oct 13, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP is one of my favorite fighters, but I think A. Silva would demolish him. It’s understandable if he wants to try out 185, but why go straight to the top? Let’s see how he does against guys like Franklin, Henderson, or Bisping first.
by Josh H. on Oct 13, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
Its official…BJ is the biggest sore loser in all of MMA…with Forrest coming in a close 2nd…lol..but seriously…GSP or any other potential matchup should be the farthest thing from BJ’s mind right now. Hes going to be fighting a freaking machine who has never been finished and has crazy cardio…cant wait to see it.
by salamagogo on Oct 13, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
and if GSP and Anderson ever do fight..have it at a catch-weight. I dont like the idea of ANYONE having belts in 2 weight classes…just longer wait between title defenses…thats the other reason I was rooting against BJ in their last outing
by salamagogo on Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
I might get riduculed for this, but I also dont see Silva calling out GSP. I think Anderson would win, but GSP could give him his toughest test. If Travis Lutter can threaten him, GSP can bring it to Anderson IF he is allowed time to put on muscle. I can see GSP really giving him some ground and pound problems. Not saying he would win, but it won’t be like Silva vs Forrest
by DAMN! on Oct 13, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
I see what you mean considering GSP has the right type of skills to pose a major threat IF they were comparably sized, but they’re not, so I don’t think that’s why Silva isn’t calling out GSP. I think now that Silva knows he can handle guys at LHW, he can get a lot more money and respect there. As soon as people saw Silva/GSP face off, they’d realize that these two guys are nowhere near the same size and beating a fan favorite who’s 40-45 lbs smaller and a lot shorter just makes him look like a bully. It might look good on paper, but it won’t earn him any respect from anyone who actually saw the fight, cause it would look like a Doberman Pincer fighting a miniature bull terrier.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask Rashad and Jardine if size matters whether GSP can take them down and both of them are better wrestlers than Silva. No one seems to factor in a few important things if they fight. GSP will be bigger than he is now if he fights Silva and you just can’t go by the scale. Gsp is ripped and Silva is smooth(he caries more fat). Fat is dead weight so Silva would only have about 10 or 15 lbs more muscle mass. That’s not enough size to counter GSP incredible wrestling (just ask Alves). Silva is 4 inches taller, but he only has 1 1/2 inch reach advantage. The Alves fight is a great example of how a great wrestler turns a great striker into a not so great striker. I realize Silva is a bigger threat than Alves, but GSP didn’t have a scratch in 5 rounds with Alves. You won’t see the Silva that fought Forest that’s for sure. Even if GSP loses it won’t be by the destruction that many envision. I would much rather see GSP compete and lose against Silva, than destroy guys like Swick (Okami is a pussy with GnP compared to what GSP will do to him).
by Gord on Oct 13, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if thats true gord I think GSP is a better pound for pound fighter personaly but Silvas size is to much to evercome as GSP himself has said he would need some time to bulk up to even think about competing against Silva. Even at LHW Silva has not been the smaller fighter so him getting credit for fighting at two different weight classes is not the same as BJ infact GSP gave up 15 pounds to Alves wich is more than any Silva has gave up in any fight in the UFC.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP matches up well with Silva despite the weight difference. Silva struggles with wrestlers and you know GSP would take him down over and over. Even if GSP isn’t able to do much damage on the ground he could probably pull out a decision. DO NOT COUNT GSP OUT VS. ANYONE!
by Spitforce on Oct 13, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree GSP would be a big test for Silva, but only on the ground.
I don’t think GSP has been willing to stand and trade since he got KO’d by Serra, it was a lucky punch, but he has that in his head I think. I’m pretty sure he isn’t the most dangerous striker in his division. I can’t really remember the last time he finished a fight from strikes in the standup? He probably has fairly recently but I can’t remember.
Anyways, given Silva’s accuracy and power I think if it stays on the feet GSP gets KO’d, GSP wins if he can take Silva down, and keep him down.
by 8lackfoot on Oct 13, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He was standing up when he finished Serra with knees on the side.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s funny that some folks think GSP could take Silva down and keep him there, but don’t think Randy Couture stands any chance against Silva or Machida. Randy was pushing Tim Sylvia and Gonzaga around and even took down BROCK LESNAR and controled him in the clich. And even Nog couldn’t submit him. I think he’s got a better shot than anyone at LHW or MW of getting Silva or Machida to the ground and winning a GnP. I think the odds would still be against him, but he’s got a better set of tools than anyone else against those guys. Sure as hell no striker is gonna beat either of them.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP’s biggest strength is that he is ridiculously stronger than his opponents in 170. I think moving up would make him trouble with the bigger guys. He would be very competitive though.
BJ got dominated in their 2nd fight like everyone else. 1st could have gone either way
by Lappish Shaman on Oct 13, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
No his biggest advantage is his speed and accuracy. He has fought stronger fighters i.e. Alves and Hughes and was able to control them with his skill. It would be Silva’s biggest test in the UFC.
by Spitforce on Oct 13, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
While I do think GSP has flawless technique, I think he also showed that he was stronger than Hughes and even Alves. Georges is a freak of nature when it comes to strength. I think the reason so many want to see him fight Silva is that they represent total perfection in their strong suit and are even way above average in their “weak” areas. If they were near the same size it would be a match for all time! But Silva is bigger than Machida and I don’t hear anyone clamoring for them to fight. Like someone above said, when Hughes, Liddell, Ortiz were dominant, nobody was screaming that they had to move up to prove themselves. B.J. is like A.S. They both have a freakish ability to gain and lose weight. That doesn’t make them better fighters, it just lets them fight a wider variety of guys. Instead of screaming for GSP to fight Silva, people should be screaming for Silva to fight Machida or Nog or Fedor. He’s within 10 lbs of all those guys. If proving you’re P4P best meant beating bigger guys than yourself, Hendo, Wandy, Saku, Couture would all rank ahead of Anderson, who has yet to fight anyone 10 lbs bigger than himself. In fact, he’s fought very few guys his own size.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite the huge weight and size disparity, I think GSP’s style would be be awesome for facing Anderson Silva. Silva doesn’t have much in the way of takedown defense, and GSP has shown that he can nullify freakish and phenomenal BJJ skills with his ground game. Silva is at his most disadvantaged when going against ground and pound masters with an endless gas tank. No question that standing would be a deadly game of Russian roulette for GSP, not to mention the spidery reach of Silva’s limbs to the 4-inch shorter GSP’s. But can you think of any opponent with more capability of dismantling the elusive game of the Spider? With the exception of Machida and Belfort…I would love to see GSP bring it. He would know how to fight that fight.
by Jamison on Oct 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
I disagree about Anderson’s TDD. He may not sprawl but he has wicked quick knees and freakish balance. A single-leg would be impossible for anyone shorter than him and a double-leg would be very difficult because of the freakish width of his stance. The best takedown for a guy like him is to pick him off the ground and slam him, ala Frank Shamrock, but that’s very difficult to do when a guys legs are that long and you’re 5 inches shorter.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is Jamison GSP when he gets Silva down will be trying to pass gaurd on the best rubber gaurd in the business on a man 25 pounds heavier than him.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope your ot refering to Anderson Silvas rubber guard being the best in the buisness..
by belfort_fan on Oct 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone please have BJ admitted to a psychiatric unit, it’s obvious he is a danger to himself. He already got his butt handed to him- badly!!!!!!!!!!
by Wes on Oct 13, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
I would love to see this again. We all know that we are in the midst of a new B.J. Penn. He knows that as well. We saw what he brought to the table at w/Florian. I think he should fight him again. Id watch…
by Trey on Oct 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
he was supposed to be “new and improved” before the 2nd gsp fight, taking things more seriously. how many times is bj gonna use that excuse.
by j.b. on Oct 13, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think with BJ Penn bringing in Marv as his conditioning coach and eating for purpose every day… I think that changes A LOT of things. If Marv can turn BJ into a lean mean 180 lb piece of muscle energizer bunny energy athlete that never gasses, and BJ defends his title 2-3 times destroying the competiton.. than i think BJ should get another shot at GSP. I for one am not a huge BJ Penn fan, but he is changing a lot of things and is actually cross training with people that are better than him now, which makes a HUGE difference. Whereas before he had this smug type of “im better than you” self confidenc, never cross trained, and ran with rocks under the ocean. Whoopty doo right? Please dont flame me, but as a jiu-jitsu practioner I also didnt like the whole vaseline thing. Im not trying to complain, but you cant hold anyone in a rubber, x, or butterfly guard when they have vaseline all over their back and it gets on your legs. Sweat and Vaseline are totally different. Everyone one of you that roll know that so dont jump down my throat for saying it. Just a different perspective of thought to consider.
by Sky on Oct 13, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
good point about Marv. If bj can put on good, solid muscle weight and be in excellent condition there’s really no beating him
by ja434650 on Oct 13, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
see comment above. bj is supposed have been new and improved several times. he didn’t look that much better under marv at lw facing kenny than he did at lw facin sherk, joedaddy, and jens. him having to cut down to 155 is what forces him to be in good shape and have better stamina. the 2nd fight with gsp was supposed to be the biggest fight of all time, so there is no excuse for him to come in looking the way he did. let bj fight koscheck, fitch and alves in concession, and if he can compltely dominate them the gsp did, give him another shot. AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!.
by j.b. on Oct 13, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
One more thing, who would like to see GSP vs Jacare?
by Sky on Oct 13, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Big words bj. Your surprised gsp hasn’t called out anderson silva. LMAO!!!! Bj called out gsp because of there last fight, a split decision he thought he won, very brave. Gsp isn’t stupid like bj and knows what he can and can’t do. Hughes fought so many cans to get his 9 time welter weight titles, today he’d never be champ, even in what people call his “prime”. Saying Hughes is washed up(past his “Prime”) is laughable, he’s only 1 and a half years older than anderson silva considered to be the most leathal fighter in the world. Dan henderson is a couple of years older than hughes, is he washed up? Hughes just hasn’t evolved and there are much better fighters now than back then. Put any top ten against some can an see how dominant they would look. As far as bj wanting to fight gsp, get in line so do all the guys gsp beat, they want revenge, naturally, you can’t blame bj for that.
by nathan on Oct 13, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
YAAAAAWWWWWNNNN, let me know when this windbag is done talking… I cant handle any more Baby J Mama drama that would come from this… Although I would love to have a great laugh if they fought again, it would be just priceless to hear him talk about how GSP is the real quitter, and BJ is a fighter and he never quits….
by Riskreturngroup on Oct 13, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
BJ is a fighter baby!
I love the fact that this guy will fight anyone, any size. He always puts on a good fight too, you won’t get this 25 minute lay and pray fest that we saw in the GSP vs. Thiago fight. Penn comes to fight, win or lose and I can’t help but respect that.
O yea, and for the record he would crush GSP if they fought again…no doubt
by ja434650 on Oct 13, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
He always puts up a good fight!? Really? Oh, You mean like he did against GSP last January, yeah, hell of a fight BJ. He was all too happy to quit from the beating he was getting. And he called GSP a quitter! Oh, BJ I think your Mom is calling you…better hurry.
by Rich on Oct 13, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny that you THINK the fighter (GSP) with the most strikes landed in UFC history is a lay and pray fighter. Where is the logic in that statement?
by Gord on Oct 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
recently i should say, ever since sera scared him
by ja434650 on Oct 13, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
im sorry but i may be the only one in the world that thinks so, but i honestly believe gsp wld actually beat anderson.its not like he would have trouble taking him down. he takes heavy wieghts down in training. and if he did get him down i think he wld pound out a decision victory. he might not do to good on the feet but i really think he wld take him down and pull out the win
by mrc on Oct 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
Totally agreee dude. He is really good at staying at range standing up and the best take down artist and best gnp in mma. At 185 I got GSP!
by Wes on Oct 13, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……
on another note, bj needs to think about diego. diego is a poor man’s gsp. has everyone forgotten that diego will be twice the size as bj with great striking and excellent wrestling?
by JB on Oct 13, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
he’ll prob be 5 lbs heavier on fight night…
by ja434650 on Oct 13, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
All the talk about GSP going up to fight. What about other fighters coming down? Any chance somebody like Nate Marquadt (sp?), Bisping, or Akiyama coming down in weight?
Also, I’m reading guys talk about greasing like GSP just smeared a little vaseline on himself, which I would agree, shouldn’t make as much of a difference as BJP lost by. By I thought I remember BJP saying something more along the lines of GSP rubbing mace or hot pepper extract on his gloves. I could see that making a difference. Let me mace you and then see if I don’t land 5 to 1 too.
by JoePlumber on Oct 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
This is what I’m referring to:
Penn thought the NSAC’s stumbling and bumbling started that night against Georges St. Pierre in the cage:
“If I go up there and make a warning, the guy is going to put hot pepper on his gloves, and then you catch him doing it and you don’t walk across and let me know, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.”
So was this just hypothetical?
by JoePlumber on Oct 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Joe, B.J. was speaking hypothetically for dramatic effect. Just like when his Mama testified to the NSAC that GSP had tried to murder her defenseless little boy and she was afraid for her son’s life.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I’m talking about;
Penn thought the NSAC’s stumbling and bumbling started that night against Georges St. Pierre in the cage:
“If I go up there and make a warning, the guy is going to put hot pepper on his gloves, and then you catch him doing it and you don’t walk across and let me know, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.”
by JoePlumber on Oct 13, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Penn thought the NSAC’s stumbling and bumbling started that night against Georges St. Pierre in the cage:
“If I go up there and make a warning, the guy is going to put hot pepper on his gloves, and then you catch him doing it and you don’t walk across and let me know, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.”
by JoePlumber on Oct 13, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Penn never actually accused GSP of using peppered gloves…I’m sure he’s saving that excuse for the next guy who beats him.
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ja434650 your just as delusional as penn. “bj always puts on a good fight”, lol he was on the defensive the entire fight against gsp and most of the fight with florian. Bj din’t look good against gsp ja434650 he got crushed, kind of curious what penn could do to crush gsp, he was owned standing and on the ground to the extent he actually quit after round 4, ya "Bj is a fighter baby! B.S, bj is a delusional trash talker and a beer short of a six pack(he’ll fight anyone and get destroyed…stupid). GSP out stuck and pounded the shit out of alves on the ground, his face was battered and bloody and he actually knocked alves down. Go to fightmetric.com and see how much of a “lay and pray fest” it was gsp out struck alves, he landed more shots standing. It wasn’t gsp’s most exciting fight but he fought an intelligent fight, alves sub defense was too good gsp was planning on getting a submission but it didn’t happen. Bj’s fight with kenny was pretty boring to me until the forth round, were bj finally looked good and owned kenny. “I love the fact bj will fight anyone,any size” you should have read the whole article ja434650, he says he won’t fight at 185, lol, bj fans.
by nathan on Oct 13, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
Exactly Nathan, I find it hillarious when people say GSP lay & prays. If the damage done to his opponent face isn’t evidence enough that GSP hits guys, the FACT that GSP has the UFC record for the most strikes landed in UFC history, should be.
by Gord on Oct 13, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree as well with nate gord this is MMA if you want to watch just stand up fighting there is K1 wich is very entertaining as well but as far as MMA goes cutting down GSP for being one of the greatest ground fighters ever in MMA is ignorant. It’s cool if you prefer one style over another and are more of a fan of Silva than GSP because of his style but like any fighter they will try and make the fight happen were they want it in GSPs case he prefers the ground over pretty much everbody but what makes him great as any other great fighter is they control were the fight takes place 90% of the time.
by Puck Head on Oct 13, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Right Gord, and I find it equally rediculous that these stand-up lovers accuse GSP of not being a finisher. Here are the percentages of wins finished rather than decisioned.
GSP 67% (60% of last 10 wins)
Machida 46% (37% of his last 8 wins),
Hendo 48% (also 37% of last 8).
Rampage 50% of his last 10),
Rashad 53% (40% of last 10)
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
hey i’m not fucking stupid, i’ll be the first one to admit that most of the shit I write on here is complete bull shit…i’m just a penn fan that likes to push buttons, and its fun to see the reactions…nathan
how long did it take you to write that?
by ja434650 on Oct 13, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
hey nathan i’m not stupid, i’ll be the first one to admit that most of the shit I write on here is complete bull shit…i’m just a penn fan that likes to push buttons, and its fun to see the reactions…nathan…
how long did it take you to write that?
by ja434650 on Oct 13, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I rather see someone calling out the champ then calling out Matt Hughes.
by Kdog on Oct 13, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
Also Rich Franklin would like a rematch against Anderson Silva!!
by doubled on Oct 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions
Rich wants to be champ- I’m sure he’d fight anyone that had the belt. Winning is another story.
by Kdog on Oct 13, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, what a feat for a lay and pray fighter eh gord?, to land the most strikes ever in the ufc. I was very surprised at gsp’s striking record at fightmetric.com, he even outstruck bj at ufc 58, penn just did more damage(eye jab and uppercut clipping his nose making him bleed like a stuck pig). Gsp I think has out struck pretty much everyone he fought other than I think his first fight with serra where he got clipped a few minutes into the fight and got peppered several times after. Its remarkable how biased some people are but facts are facts, fightmetric.com speaks the truth, so do fighters faces after a fight.
by nathan on Oct 13, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
What would happen if GSP went down to fight Bj at 155? Then why do people think BJ can do the same? Stay at 155 BJ and become the legend that you should become….
by Robert(1) on Oct 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
I think its the pay check. Big bucks for that fight, people will watch it I know I will!!!!!
by Ric Flair on Oct 13, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
GSP v Bisping or Franklin
Much more exciting then him continuing to clear out WW. Also I would consider him a favorite in both these fights.
by KBilo on Oct 13, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions
BJ is the fkin man. The guy is just crazy. He pummled on gsp first time round. He never said gsp greased, Liddell did first. He just simply didnt know what to do, he was suspicious about something when he walked to his corner. He deserves another crack nxt year. No matter what anyone says about him, he has easily got more balls than any fighter out there, he’s competed against the best, Machida at a much higher weight, gsp has neva competed at that weight, y? Because he blatently has fuk all confidence in himself, pussy, Serra fuked him up n made him tap tap tap tap tap, from strikes, what a loser. Sum twat above sayin somehing about gsp doesnt want to tarnish his record, wake up fool, Serra sorted that. Bj is the best fighter in the world, think about it (if u dnt train u wont hav a clue).
by insain on Oct 13, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah he’s a great fighter and all that but he’s a quiter. Kenny Florian who’s smaller than my little niece almost gassed him out. He’s not a life long athlete, just a part-time one. Talented competitor? Yes. Disciplined athlete? No.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate how everybody hates on bj,bj is the man he beat hughes at his best,I still think he got robbed in da first fight against gsp,bj is the man hes got 5 loses in his career and its all against some of the best fighters so fuck all you haters ya just mad cuz he’d prob pound every single 1 of us on this,it seems like INSAIN is the only one makin sense on this topic all you guys should hop off gsp’s guevo
by denni on Oct 13, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
I sense fear from you. It’s called reflexology. Are you afraid he would actually fight GSP again and then get totally dominated in a very humiliating fashion again? Your fears are very real. It’s ok to be scared. Just don’t get all excited like that.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe if it was a non-title fight, and there were no other opponents available to either of them. Otherwise, Bj’s already had two chances at GSP. Time tfor Penn just to let it go and move on.
by Jase on Oct 13, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
LOL it amazes me at the intelligence levels between the gsp fans and the penn fans…..bj is da shit,ya he tru wareor,he’s fite anybodi…..penn fans are dumb, like penn. ;P
by nathan on Oct 13, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
i’m in med. school so…
how are you so smart nathan?
by ja434650 on Oct 13, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Being ON meds while AT school doesn’t qualify as being “in med school”…try cutting back your dosage, Bro!
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Last Word: BJ is done and is going to lose to Diego.
by Spitforce on Oct 13, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone here is talking about how 10lbs here and 5lbs there make a difference but has anyone considered how IMO unfair it is for Brock to weigh in sometimes 50lbs over his oppenants.. To me that is ridiculous.. And I think that the perfect solution to this would be to have a super heavyweight division for 250lbs and plus fighters…
by roberto on Oct 13, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
a cruiserweight division for randy vera and up to 240, or a super HW division 260 and above. Bigfoot Silva (rumored to be fighting Werdum, is a super HW, usually weighing 299 i think, not many big guys besides hong choi, sapp etc. Your right though, Lersnar had 60-80 lbs on randy and 30-40 lbs on Mir, way unfair!!!
by Icantthinkofanything on Oct 13, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
WORD, Roberto! No way in hell Randy would have lost to a 240 lb Brock (which would be within the normal 15 lbs weight range for divisions. Nog would and should be the belt holder now. Love the Cruiser Weight idea and have been shouting it ever since I’ve been on here. With the new crop of Heavyweights being 280+ lbs, anyone under 250 becomes irrellevant to the belt. Legendary heavyweights like Couture, Nog, CroCop, Fedor…all the are rendered irrellevant now that there are top-tier talented athletes who are cutting 20 lbs to get down to 265. Anyone who can’t cut below 206 now has to fight guys 60 lbs heavier. It’s retarded. If it’s unfair for a 170 lb guy to fight a 185 lb guy, how is it fair for a 206 pounder to have to fight a 265er. Even PRIDE never made a guy defend his belt against someone 60 lbs heavier!
by shonuff on Oct 13, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If BJ can win this next fight he will go down as the greatest lightweight champ in UFC history and be in the hall of fame. Beating Sanchez would be huge on top of what BJ has already accomplished.
I say if Matt Hughes wins his next fight against ??? and BJ wins against Diego let him finish off the trilogy with Matt Hughes.
by hatteras on Oct 13, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
mania this is my favorite site… There is nothing else on the internet that I pull up more than this site… But I have always had trouble actually being able to see my posts..Is there something I’m doing wrong here… lemme know please
by roberto on Oct 13, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
I see your post. Gsp is already fighting bigger guys like alves at W/W. If BJ keeps talking GSP can steel his LW belt!!!
by Icantthinkofanything on Oct 13, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
get real GSP got beat the first time and anyone who know the sport saw that
by Sean on Oct 16, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
“If I was the welterweight champion I’d try and push myself and see what I could do up at middleweight."
Yeah BJ, we all know how that went for you.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Oct 13, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
3 words….SPAM PROTEIN SHAKE
Forget about this GSP business and devote yourself to your true calling, BJ….Promoting SPAM in liquid form.
by DubNub on Oct 13, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
Gsp should fight Silva at W/W..considering A silva fought at 174 in king of cage. I don’t think Silva can get down that low anymore, and I do think the Spider looks big at lhw. Gsp had learned from bj penns mistakes. BJ penn lost some props by loosing at higher weights , because his record has a lot of w’s.
Maybe another loss on GSP’s record (to spider at W/W or M/W )would make GSP even more an animal???
by Icantthinkofanything on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
WOW! That’s a lot of opinions!
Well, here’s mine. Silva has an overall size advantage over GSP not just weight. He would probably have close to 20 pounds, 4 inches in height and 4 to 6 inches in reach over GSP. BJ is only 1 inch shorter that GSP! So, having GSP go up to fight Silva because BJ went up to fight GSP is comparing apples to oranges.
I would like to see him take some fights at MW just to see how he would do, but I don’t think Silva/GSP would be that great of a matchup although I would like to see if GSP could get Silva down with one of his pattoned wrestling take downs!
Lastly, having two champs fight for one of the belts is a bad idea simply because of logistics. What would the UFC done if BJ DID beat GSP? There would be one fighter with 2 belts at the same time in two reasonably stacked divisions. How could he defend both belts? The answer is doing one or both of the following: no title on the line and at a catch weight. IMO this makes more sense because it is more about who is the best fighter than it is about who is the best fighter at a certain weight class. Otherwise, you would have to have the challenger abandon his other belt. That way it may be easier to convince Silva and Machida to fight. Maybe.
by Figtin on Oct 13, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
One more thing. What BJ should be doing, instead of pushing for a rematch against GSP, is campaigning to get the best fighters in the LW division into the UFC, primarily Shinya Aoki, Eddie Alvarez or Tatsuya Kawajiri. A fight with any of those guys seems just as likely, if not more so. Maybe Dana should let him go run the table in Dream for a year if he beats Sanchez and one other fighter (a potentially ugly fight agains Maynard). Then, if he remains undefeated and GSP hasn’t started taking fights at MW, you have them fight at around 162.
by Figtin on Oct 13, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions
BJ is 1-1 against Ponyboy. He won the first and the second should be thrown out because of the greasing!
by xxBAxx816 on Oct 14, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
I dont know what fight most of you watched but BJ beat GSP in the first fight. I was there for the second and BJ did not look right from the moment they weighed in i give BJ credit for fighting in all sorts of weight classes lets not forget he fought Machida and lost a decision folks. I beleive that Superfights have to happen to keep this intersting.,
by Sean on Oct 16, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn’t want to see this unless BJ is fully trained for this with no excuses.
by Lu Galasso on Oct 20, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
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