if you go to mma weekly they have all the rules and reasons why….henderson beat him 3 out of 5 minutes of that 1rst round!!! the cowboy lost thats all there is to it,get the fuck over it!

In the WEC, judges score bouts based on effective striking, grappling, aggression, and cage control. Keep that in mind and watch the fight again. In the first 3 rounds, Ben had the edge in all four departments. He scored takedowns at will, kept Ceronne on his back for the bulk of each round, and pounded him relentlessly with blows to the body and head. Don lost fair and square. There’s just no case to be made to the contrary.

Except you’re completely disregarding that Ben was close to being finished in the first while cerrone did take shots but wasn’t even close. MMA Weekly sucks at MMA all you have to do is look at their rankings. We have to wait until FightMetric comes out with their full reports then you guys will see why. I started watching the fight about 3 mins into it so i thought ben won first and happy i called the upset. But rewatching it again i just don’t understand how. Rd 1, 4 was 10-9 for cerrone and rd 5 was 10-8 for cerrone.

NNR lost some money huh? 1-3 Ben won. 4-5 Cerrone. Great fight.

Actually NNR won some money. He been calling that upset for weeks now. He even convinced me into betting on Ben (btw, thanks NNR and VM), so cant even accuse the man of being sour. Personally, I thought cowboy won the fight as well, but why complain when I won money thanks to the atrocious judges. I dont care what the scoring system says..I have been watching mma LONG enough to know a winner when I see one, and COWBOY won that fight! He unleashed a rapid fire submission assault and was close to ending the fight a couple of times. All I care about is DAMAGE, and trying to end a fight…GOta give it to Cowboy, and Tip my hat to him for the no-excuse attitude!

Yep, i got some money on that but my parlays were f’d so i was still in the red overall. No biggie though i came out really big with DREAM when my dark horse took the whole tourney. This month is gonna be busy with dream, ufc, wec, k1 max and strikeforce too. Hopefully i can come up big again.

In the WEC, judges score bouts based on effective striking, grappling, aggression, and cage control. Keep that in mind and watch the fight again. In the first 3 rounds, Ben had the edge in all four departments. He scored takedowns at will, kept Ceronne on his back for the bulk of each round, and pounded him relentlessly with blows to the body and head. Don lost fair and square. There’s just no case to be made to the contrary.

No offense Rob, but if you don’t think the guy on top has control, pick a fight with someone and then lay on your back on the ground. See if your opinion changes after a minute.

Fact is, in modern MMA, it’s pretty rare that someone finishes a fight from their back. It’s awesome when it happens, but it’s just really rare. Far more often, the fighter on their back suffers a vicious beating until he’s KO’d or choked out.

Consider the full guard. That’s basically a mount from the bottom, yet no one considers it to be a dominant position. That’s because it isn’t, because you’re not on top.

gravity is a bi@tch

Spot on RoB, I’m amazed by some of the comments here, no way does control and being on top matter more than having an active guard, Cerrone came close to finishing the fight with a couple of tight submissions and to me that matters more than Henderson taking him down. Henderson did well to survive and controlled the rest of the round, but he should not have won a round by surviving, if anything it should have been a draw as he controlled the fight and did some damage with g&p but Cerrone had him in big trouble and had him hurt with those submissions. There is no chance that Smooth would have been awarded the round if he was rocked or knocked down so I don’t see why he is awarded the round for almost getting submitted as in both cases the fight is close to being finished so the points should go to the aggressor for damage and almost winning. I can see why Henderson won the round and thus the fight, but I don’t agree with it by any means.

I still don’t know why fighters are given more credit for a takedown, which only gives the fighter a chance to do damage, than for actually almost finishing the fight off your back, someone with an active guard like Cerrone is just as dangerous if not more so off his back than on top and the damage he did with those submissions as well as his past submission wins prove that. JSD obviously has never watched any Nog Bros, Diaz Bros or Cerrone fights if he doesn’t see many submission wins from the back and it frustrates me that most MMA judges would agree with his points, to me it shows a lack of understanding and respect to BJJ and bias towards wrestling to score fights based on control and position over damage on the ground.

Full credit to Cerrone for being a class act in defeat, his constant whining about Varner was getting on my nerves but he has shown Henderson a lot of respect by not complaining about this fight as he was unlucky to lose. Hopefully Varner will get beat by Henderson and we get to see the Cowboy in 2 rematches, whilst Jamie looked the most impressive of the 3 in the 2 fights, he showed the least heart and doesn’t have any of the toughness of either Cerrone or Henderson.

Meaningful offense. That’s what i all comes down to. Whoever is doing more damage but most people have been conditioned to believe that without blood and bruises, the guy is just fine. We all saw how a single one of these failed sub attempts completely gassed Ben. Or how many times he was close to being finished. This is the same thing as when coleman lay on top of shogun, looked like he was going to die from every single punch but people still gave him rounds.

“Meaningful offense. That’s what i all comes down to.”

But… it’s not.

Ermac for Judge.