Dana White: Kimbo Slice vs Roy Nelson fight 'sucked' on Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 10

Yeah Dana the fight SUCKED…but you saw the fight 5 months ago and still marketed it to us as if it was Ali vs. Frazier! FOck off! where’s introvert when you need him?

Dana stands to lose some serious cred if this is a lie!!

He said “by week 8..” so that means, by week 8, you’ll be enjoying the show.
…Where’s the dilemma?
He’s not saying after week 8, or on week 8, you’ll be enjoying the show. He says byyy week 8.
lmao.
You guys.. are absolutely… great.

Madnuts, you should change your name to “Semantics”. More appropriate.

And the dilemma is the huge build up to a fight that didn’t live up to it, and they already knew that the fight sucked! They hammered it like it was the second coming of Christ, and it wasn’t even as good as the second coming of Peter North.

Dana white is the biggest Swindler , Hes mum bout this weeks episode and says it something you have to see in all his interviews then now he comes out and says it sux, He flip flops more than Joe buck commentating a Redsox Yankees game

Maybe we’re jumping the gun Kev.

I haven’t been a Kimbo fan, BUT his is working hard, seems humble and all on the show. Maybe, just maybe he’s going to keep working hard and actually improve and come back. We’ll see.

As for Roy, he maybe fat, but is not that out of shape. He did exactly what he wanted to, play safe and get by the “biggest” threat in the house, and in everyone’s eys that was Kimbo. Roy’s next fight will tell us how ready he is. BTW – I think he’s the guy that’s going to pull it off.

So, lets watch the show and see what happens, that’s what we do every season.

There’s gotta be a place for everybody in the sport, it’s not just about being the best it’s about entertainment and giving the fans what they want and that is exactly what Dana is doing by giving Kimbo props and keeping him around! I couldn’t care less about guys like Roy Nelson, he s’cks real bad and would be stomped to death in a real fight.

Spot on Kevin, I’m sick and tired of the shamless plugging of the Kimbo Show and Dana’s u-turn on the guy, does he think we’re that stupid. Kimbo was always going to get beat by Nelson and I’m amazed that so many hardcore MMA fans called it differently because of false editing, a guy who may or may not be Kimbo beating up someone and the fact that the draw of the series was hyping up the show and the fight. Dana is coming off as a right prat, plugging the Kimbo Show shamelessly then bashing it once fans have been mugged into watching it. He’s getting as bad as the Shaws.

I’m with you Kevin. Dana is trying to suck us all into the Kimbo hype even after he dismissed him when he fought with EliteXC. I guess he wants to make as much off of him as he can while he’s still marketable. If Roy Nelson is so unimpressive what in the world is going to happen to Kimbo if he actually does get a UFC contract? What fighter is going to stand and trade bombs with him when he’s like a fish out of water on the ground?

Your right Roberto this is a place for kimblow its called wwe.It makes no sense making a coment like this(Roy Nelson he sucks real bad and would be stomped to death in a real fight)He just stomped kimblow oh wait thats not a real fight.Fighting bums in a boatyard were the rules are only stand up bare fist boxing.You people must never get out of your moms basement cause I ve seen alot of dudes out there that would destroy kimblow in a REAL street fight.Cant blame kimblow for making that money.Iam just jelouse I cant make millions at something I suck at.

It’s pretty pathetic the way they hyped the show knowing what a boring fight it was. Can’t blame them from a business perspective though. What really bothers me is that if any other promotion did something like this Dana would be blue in the face cursing them out about how terrible they are for MMA. And at least half the people on this site would be agreeing with him. I’m glad to see some of my fellow maniacs are getting tired of Dana’s nonsense too.

c’mon guys! lets give him one more chance!! LMAO!!

good post durty, funny thing is, he was never that impressive on youtube either, he was famous because he was big and black. I’ve seen way better “real fights” online and Kimbo wasn’t in them!

Lashly might be fighting on the Nov. 9th, Fedor CBS card.
I would love to see Lashly step up and face Via Cavallo!!

yi: Carwin is a lot smaller then Brock. Brock is bigger then Lashly, and Lashly is a lot bigger then Carwin.. saw pics of Carwin n lashly training together!

Listed heights and weights would suggest otherwise about Lashley being bigger(let alone “a lot bigger”) than Carwin.

“.Iam just jelouse I cant make millions at something I suck at.”

Teaching english?

KS,that is funny cause I know i suck at english!Thats why I dont post much cause I dont want tuff guys like you to make fun of mE..j/k I just blame it on my english teacher.But that was funny,by the way I should of been an english teacher I would make millions!!!

All you need to stop critizizing Dana, ‘cause the only thing this shows and what I’ve always felt is that there are too few Tito’s in the business, most guys aren’t doesn’t have a clue of what they’re doing when it comes to handling their business. They don’t know how to market themselves, they don’t know how to hype a fight and won’t show any type of personality, therefore nobody cares about them and a guy like Kimbo has to come up into the big league, having him around also sheds light on the other fighters and brings ppl to the sport who would never watch it otherwise!

this whole thing is not a big deal! it is how it should be, It’s not Kimbo’s fault that he’s a star.

One tito is too many for my taste – all talk no skill.

He has skill but it’s not about that. the “it’s not what you do, it’s who you are” thing is true, most guys are nobodies in the UFC right now.

Kimbo is right where he should be now… in TUF as a newcomer. Kimbo’s standup game was better than Roy’s his takedown defense has improved but his jits is horrible. Kimbo like Houston Alexander has potential, if Kimbo can just dedicated a lot of time daily to Jits n’ wrestling he could possibly get a ‘W’ in the TUF main event.

My recommendation is this: DON’T WATCH on WEDNESDAY! Read the critics here the morning after, then if interesting, WATCH IT ON THURSDAY at 11. If not, nada. I am not even looking forward to any of thie BS anymore. Gawd damn I miss the first 4 episodes of TUF. It went pretty much downhill from there.

Fighters self marketing in acts of shamless smack talk and belittling in my opion serve or have no purpose in mma. Very few guys can run there mouth and back it up to the extent of ie. BJ Penn(even that can get annoying). Characters and personalties are for broadway, SNL, movies, shows, and WWE/TNA. Tito Ortiz runs his mouth because that is the only way he can keep himself relevant in mma. Since 2002 the only decisive wins he has are Pat Cote(who was fighting at the wrong weight class and it was his UFC debut) and Ken Shamrock 3 times. Outside of that he stole one from Forrest and a draw with Rashad. Not very impressive, so what does he resort to, name calling and fighter bashing, if not we would all be saying, Tito who? Dana is the promoter it is his job to sell the fights by putting together the best fights possible. Yeah personalities are a fun but should come with a skill set. I am not blaming Kimbo, he is just riding the money train and there is not one of us who would not hop on in a heartbeat if given the opportunity. Dana has his stranglehold on the mma market. There is no need for personalities at this point. The UFC has to go back to what made it so popular to begin with, having the best fighters, fighting for the most prized belts in mma. UFC is the MLB, NBA, NFL of MMA. All others are just the minor leagues. All sports have a few personalities but they are not always welcomed or needed, ie. Rodman/Iverson, Manny Ramirez, Terrel Owens, but they are generaly skilled/top level athletes in there sport. Kimbo or Tito are not top level. Tito may have been at one point but it has been a long time. Kimbo with some work maybe a skilled fighter, but at present is not at the level he needs to be in the UFC.

I won’t even read your garbage ‘cause all you come up with is about skill and records, when i’ve said a million times that it’s not about skill or how good your record is IF YOu are a nobody!

It’s a business first and having guys like Tito and Kimbo around is good for everybody!

guys like Carwin, Maynard and the most boring guys in the UFC does nothing for the sport cause they are too boring to watch, lucky for them they’ve got other fighters that can make the event entertaining.

RoBerto I’ve never thought you were more incorrect, and that’s saying something. You’re trying to convince us that Dana White pumping the hell out of a garbage fight is good for the sport, when the day after the fight airs, he admits that the fight sucked. So you think it’s great for the president of the biggest MMA organization in the world to act like Don King? Kimbo doesn’t act like Tito by the way. He actually acts completely opposite. The only thing they have in common is drawing power, and Kimbo doesn’t need to act like a buffoon to sell fights like Tito. Sorry man, but no amount of nonsense logic is going to convince me that idiots acting like they’re in the WWE is good for the sport. You said that Carwin is too boring to watch despite never going to decision and calling out Brock! Those posts are really bad.

good post Diceman, too add to it, I’ve been laughing at Roberto for a while now, but now he just totally contradicted himself! Kimbo is humble and seems quiet and well spoken, Tito is loud and a buffoon and the only person who considers him a genius is him and Jenna. How do you compare the two other than drawing power? Matt Hughes is a boring fighter… and one of the most dominant champs in the history on mma Roberto, explain how records and skill don’t matter anymore?

Roberto…I can’t imagine what it’s like in your little world. You really live an alternate reality.

Your obviously love for Tito, Kimbo, and Lesner is astonishing because THEY ARE THE THREE WORST THINGS TO HAPPEN TO MMA. Here’s why: Short term sales is NOT going to be good for the sport if it turns it into a circus. Their antics actually belittle the sport and prevent it form becoming even more legit.

Lesner: Everyone always says he puts butts in the seats and PPVs on the bill. First off, are the teenage boys that think Lesner is a cool guy (when he’s clearly and infantile jock) the fan base that the sport needs? Regular people see WWE fans getting into MMA and think its the same thing contrived, macho showmanship, not a sport. Also, does HE really put the business? His Mir 1 and Herring fights didn’t do that well. But when he was walked to a Couture fight (whom has always had trouble with oversized fighters, nice job of setting up Randy) it did well…could it be because of Randy who was involved in 3 of the top 5 five PPVs prior to that setup? And UFC 100 also had this little known guy named GSP on the card as well as the coach’s from a a season of TUF…maybe that helped?

Kimbo: His pedigree is a negative for the sport. It makes it look like unprofessional street brawlers…the worst image for the sport to take on. Also, him being schooled at the hands of Seth P and Roy Nelson show he really has no place in MMA, He SAYS he wants to learn everything but what has he been doing in the 2 years since the CBS show against Thompson. Even if he just signed up for BJJ lessons at his local McDojo (let alone the legit schools he would have access to a pro) in two years he would be somewhat passable on the ground, at least be able to defend himself somehow. But he hasn’t…HE HASN’T. He is just a street brawler that will always get lit up by even marginal athletes…LIKE HE HAS.

Tito; Where to start? He could be the worst public speaker EVER. His pathetic broken english (even though he is from an english speaking country) only makes him look like a clown with a bleached crew cut. Always speaking but nothing to say. Yeah, yeah, his bad boy image appeals to some, but it’s just an image. He hasn’t won any legit fights in years. IN YEARS. There is no arguing that. Other athletes that transition into public life at least take the time to learn to form an intelligent thought. Instead he is taking marketing cues from a PORNSTAR. What a marketing genius. And that’s another thing, we all expect celebs to mess around to with pornstars, but to marry and reproduce with one? I know, I know you can’t help who you fall in love with but a cage fighter from the days when it wasn’t as legit and his pornstar,hag wife aren’t really good ambassadors for the sport.

Yeah, Roberto, we all understand the macho appeal of these three “badboy” fighters but to say that the short term cash they may bring is is good the sport long term is laughable. None of them are really great competitors; Lesner is a bully (the antithesis of martial arts) who is really still unproven, Tito is now in the “where are they now files” doing no-future fights with has beens, and Kimbo is a never was who really isn’t trying to learn the sport, just giving it lip service.

Lesner and Kimbo are just “flash in the pans” that are distracting long term fans from finding the true talent of the sport and Tito is a horrible face for the sport to put forward.

That’s just how it is.

Kimbo is the same as Tito in the way that he has charisma and a personality that draw people. Dana never pumped the sh!t out of a garbage fight, he and Spike said it was the “biggest” fight in TUF history and it was proven by the numbers. It was Kimbo that did it, and he made new fans tune in to watch this season that wouldn’t if he wasn’t on it, that can’t not be good for the sport, it gives poor guys like Roy that has an awful personality btw and the other guys an oppurtunity to be seen!

Diceman – again, Carwin can do whatever he wants and finish every fight it won’t make a difference, fights are finished all the time. I won’t enjoy watching a nobody win maybe i’ll think it was a good fight but i won’t care for the person more for it and that’s the whole point, if your not a fan of fighters and just tune in to watch fights you’re not a real fan.

Lets just say this, money is the reason the UFC is still in business and money is also what’s gonna take the sport forward! so how can it be bad when all the guys with charisma Kimbo, Tito, Rampage, Lesnar, BJ, Sanchez are the ones that bring the paper from the fans!

So My garbage post about records has nothing to do with promoting a legit biz. Money is the reason that the UFC is in business, but it is not because of Kimbo and Tito, it is because they have put out a quality product over the years. Maybe Tito provided some of the biggest fights, but it was when he was a contender. A biz that relies on flash is a biz that fails. Look at what happened to Elite XC banking everything on Charisma, flash, and basically nice packaging sustains a business. As far as the mentioned fighters BJ and Diego are much different then Tito and Kimbo. Diego and BJ can actually back up the sales pitch. Kimbo and Tito can’t. Well Tito can back it up when he is fighting a washed up Shamrock or maybe Coleman.

So If Donald Trump wants to back a biz, is he going to back a biz with a proven track record or the biz that is failing with charismatic owner? Track record has everything to do with a biz. Name one business in the world that is doing well while having shitty numbers for the last 5 years? You would rather watch a fighter with great personality/charisma(ie. Tito Ortiz) loose then watch an amazing fighter with no real salesmanship (ie. Machida) win? That my friend is insane. Tito and Kimbo offer nothing for the sport at this moment. I am not saying that I am not rooting for Kimbo to come out on the TUF Finale and have the most amazing skill set, and look great, but lets be honest he wont, even though he maybe improved.

Money is made by a quality product. Fancy wrapping, flashy colors, and a crap product provide 1 thing short term fly by night enjoyment.

Let’s just say this…the UFC got to be the top promotion because they moved toward professionalism while other promotions were (and often still are) putting on sideshows. When the UFC was doing violent non-sporting fights they were just another promo. When they decided to take the high road they EXPLODED.

The UFC used to think longterm by making MMA real sport. Now they are joining in with the other circuses like Elite XC, IFL, Pride to some degree, Affliction and look what those guys have in common. This type of short term thinking will have long term effects on the business of the sport.

Lets just say that.

I get that oldies have another opinion on things, but the truth is every sport is dominated by a younger fan base. Maybe you have a family, a house or whatever and have never been in a real sport your whole life, that you can’t seem to realize that these guys aren’t d’ckheads and you are NOT seeing the real persons you’re just seeing them at work and their job is to entertain and bring new fans to the sport obviously since that’s the only way fans tune in obviously proven over and over again, and that way gives the fighters the money they deserve!
What’s fun is that you all watch the guys i just mentioned and you have a strong opinion of them and that makes you a fan whether you like it or not!

Finally “short term”? yeah right, Tito’s only been a star for 10 years now.

Da Monkey – difference between the UFC, Elite XC and all other promotions that tried to become something is that the UFC were first, they’ve been around for a long time and they weren’t so successful in the beginning but because there were no other “UFC” like organisation back then that took them out of business they managed to find their way back with having new/future stars (Ortiz, Liddell, Couture and Vitor to some extent) under contract and it was obviously a good thing to get something out on free TV like they did with TUF on Spike. UFC sells the same product as all other promotions do, MMA!

I’d rather watch the person i like fight win or lose than some other dude i couldn’t care less about even if that dude happens to be winning all the time. Don’t tell me you’re the guy that cheers for whoever’s winning all the time? you do that when your 7.

Let’s see what would happen if all would be like Gray Maynard and Lyoto Machida and we’ll see how long they stay in busines.
My boyz are the one’s that literally give them their money event after event!

Wow Roberto, you make less sense than Tito Ortiz. I’m not really sure what you are trying to say. I like how you completely had no response for anything I said about your boys…because you know it’s true.

I have done combat sports; tournament kickboxing, blue belt in judo, and bronze in my state wrestling tourney in my class. What are you doing, taking an “MMA” class three times a week?

You said,“these guys aren’t d’ckheads and you are NOT seeing the real persons you’re just seeing them at work and their job is to entertain”

Well, I guess that’s the difference between you and me. I understand that sports are REAL. Pro wrestling has characters but athletes only need to let their real performance do the talking. They should be real at least, not just trying to entertain us with their antics.

As far as:

Lesner, just a dumb jock. Not his fault. But he has no humility and just doesn’t understand that he was PLACED at the top of the heap. If he really had to earn his way to the top he would have to have at least 7-10 fights like ALL the other contenders. Since when does a 2-1 pro record get you a title fight like he got?

Kimbo, I actually think we know the REAL Kimbo. He got involved with street fighting for gambling. I have the proof on youtube. A true thug (which isnt a compliment) I also have the proof that he is all talk when it comes to he saying he wants to learn all about MMA. Why didn’t he pick up any ground game skills in the last two years if he wants to learn so much?

Tito, he just needs to shut up. For a guy that really has nothing to say, he sure talks a lot. And YES, his return to the UFC is a short term gimmick. He will never see a title shot in his lifetime…EVER. That’s why they are matching him up with Coleman (another guy who will never get a title shot). It’s just an exhibition fight of two has beens. Proof: if any other fighter had his record of NO LEGIT WINS IN YEARS, they would be out of the UFC. Instead, the UFC has elected to showcase a “fighter” that will never again compete for the a championship. Isn’t that the point of sports, to compete for a championship? The entertainment comes from watching the competition unfold, not the pro wrestling style smack talk.

Bottom, line Lesner and Kimbo are who they are, it’s the UFC that is to blame for bringing them into the sport. Short term cashing in at the expense of the long term legitimacy of the sport. Tito though, isn’t a fighter anymore, just a clown cashing in. And since the UFC can squeeze a couple more pennies out of his pretending to be an athlete instead of a celebrity, they will…short term over long term.

Striker where do you wrestle and fight out of? I used to wrestle a bunch of years back. Blew out my knees in baseball though. Have you done any amatuer mma fights yet? I got a few in and blew out my shoulder. Just curious anyway. Great points on Tito and Kimbo.

Roberto You really find no excitment in Watching a guy like Machida fight? You would rather watch a smack talking Tito loose? I have my favs. and don’t sway, but as new talent arises obviously I become interested in new fighters. It is not about cheering whoever is winning, like I said I have my favs. but the way this sport(not entertainment) has exploded over the last few years, we are introduced to new fighters at every event. I keep adding to my list of favs. and as older favs. start to fall off my interest in them fades. I loved Chuck Liddell, he is a big seat filler and doesn’t have to talk all the crap that Tito talks. Should he still be in the ring? No because he is done, he can no longer keep up with the new generation of fighters. It doesn’t mean I don;t like him. He just needs to step aside like Tito needs to.

Sorry guys, but I stand by my statement. We may see a few entertaining fights, but there is no future contender in the cast. Wes Sims? I don’t think so.

you do realize that big country had arlovski submitted when the ref stood them up don’t you? or are you forgetful? so what if arlovski won, so what if he looked like he couldnt finish kimbo HE SAID THAT WAS HIS PLAN!!!! so now arlovski knocks a guy out that makes him bad?

No forgetfulness here. I’m just not impressed with Nelson, or anyone else on the cast we’ve seen so far. Props to Nelson for executing his plan vs Kimbo, but certainly no surprise. I simply don’t believe this cast will introduce us to talent that will contend at HW. That was the point of the series? I acknowledge Nelson is a tough guy with solid skills, but I strongly believe even the HW division has progressed to where it will require superior athleticism, with skills and toughness to crack the top tier.

yeah definitely, Nelson is simply too short and slow. His standup is terrible and he won’t get the wrestlers in the UFC’s HW division anywhere, not the smart standup fighters either.

It would be nice to see the UFC actually make fighters walk into the cage at the weight they are supposed to be fighting at.

TY! The idea of cutting weight is pointless. WHy not just have them fight at their real weight rather than this cutting and dehydrating B.S. in order to gain a size advantage?

Nah. I think Dana was referring to the fact that Kimbo will put on a show – he has that fire in him. Roy is a slob and I just can’t see him mauling anybody. Roy definatly has talent but not a killer instinct. That’s part of Kimbo’s appeal, kind of like Mike Tyson was to alot of us, we watched him because he might just fuck someone up.

he’s promoting his own brand not the sport! problem is he’s using the fighters to cash in a ton of money and not paying them back as well as he should.