what’s not fair? it wouldn’t have been fair if Tito gave the guy money so he could go and buy himself some more booze.

He looked perfectly healthy to me. Tito shouldn’t feel bad at all. That bum isnt entitled to anything, no matter what Obama told him.

imo they are inferior…I’m not talking about people with mental illnesses but about people who don’t work. I’m a firm believer in the saying “where there’s a will, there’s a way”. If there’s no work in Cali…start hitchin’ a ride man…you’ll find work eventually…and how is he on a high horse? cause he was born with work ethic, determination, and a full bank account nobody is born with that…you learn how society works and make conscious desisions to struggle to either work and get by or beg.

nice observation kukuxumusu…that dude looked as though he’s had a meal or 2…it doesn’t bother me so much that people ask for money but IT DOES bother me when they cannot accept no for an answer

great post mac!

tiger, I don’t mean to beat a dead horse but how is someone like that NOT inferior…he has less money, will, work, skill, health, motivation, support…he has a pulse though…most people ARE created equally imo but some stray from opportunity and desire and find themselves asking for change

i live in downtown san diego and theres plenty of bums, so i tend to just ignore them most of the time… one time this guy asked me for a ciggarette and i ignored him, so he says “f*** you!” so i laid into him for a good 60 seconds about how im gonna sleep in my nice queen size bed tonite, how hell be on the curb with the cockraoches, and to enjoy being a loser the rest of his life… felt pretty good about it actually

I was just pointing out that it’s pathetic to pass judgement on those you deem “inferior”. We all die in the end so yes we are equal. Why waste energy looking down on others? People have a term for that these days. Hi Hater.

Damnitt, Mac, Did you read my mind? Now I have nothing to say! lol

Agreed with PW and Mac.

I havent seen the video but i’ll just side with people who are hating on Ortiz. Also Coleman is gonna send his @ss packig. The man is as overrated as frank mir.

NNR-

LOL!

I have lots of energy left over…not to worry

Jesse, you spelled “dog” wrong.

what a tool… a simple “no” would have sufficed, but Tito felt it necessary to belittle a man coming to him with hat in hand asking for a favor. I work downtown, and people ask me for handouts all the time. Sometimes I say no and keep on walking, other times, if i have some change in my pocket, i’ll give it to them. its not a big deal, no need to be so filled with hate people, c’mon! and what does Obama have to do with anything we are tlaking about right now. typical republican throwing obama into everything. if you dont like the usa, go to canada!

he “berated” him after he didn’t take your so called “no” for an answer!

don’t…we’re all full up here unless you’d like to stay in Nunavit

I will opt to stay at the Molson Canadian brewery.

we’ll always have room for ya buddy…I’ll make a couple calls

Can I shack with those Canadian gals that pose for the beer ads with the really big boobs?

I will opt to snuggle between a pair o’ DD’s, please!

:)

lol…

Read all your points and hate to disagree with guys like Mac who I pretty much agree with everything he writes but some of you guys are way off.

I work in one of the most run down areas of London and see poverty every single day, due to my line of work.

I have a strong work ethic that i picked up from my Dad. But I stand by Tiger think until you know that guys story, Tito or anyone else should not judge him.

I have met people who are smuggled into the country to work in the vice industry or crime in general, other people who have been abused for a number of years, cannot read or write or hold a conversation in English etc etc.

Sometimes it is not as easy as just getting a job, when you havent got passport or can’t write your name on an application form. Where would that guy put down as his address when applying for this job he is going to get?

Obviously it depends on that guys situation but we don’t know is the point. Not saying Tito should open his wallet immediatly but don’t give the guy a lecture is all.

fair enough…I’ll admitt I did judge that guy… my judgement was that he could be earning $$ as opposed to asking for $$…possibly a poor judgement but I doubt it in this case….point taken Nick

I thought Tito was perfectly reasonable with him. In case you missed it at the beginning, he was already begging for money from Jenna. Then he went into Tito. The dude didn’t know when to quit. Giving these people money doesn’t do an ounce of good. All it does is reward that behavior and mentality. There are excellent organizations that are set up to help the homeless and those with mental illness. I would recommend donating money to them rather than giving to beggars. Way to go Tito for trying to relate to the guy without giving him $$$. See how these m*therf*ckers get belligerent when you don’t give them money? Someone else had already rewarded that dude’s bad behavior in the past.

Not taking anything from anyone, but I just like to say somethin’ about the South Park movie where they said “Canada isn’t even a real country anyway”.
Just found it funny…
With regards to bums, I agree with Mac, in that they should be workin’ instead of waiting for handouts…

I understand what some of you are saying. Basically, giving him money will only feed his bad habits. Still, Tito could have just blown him off without the lecture.

Also, my hatred of Jenna and Tito may blind me a bit. It’s not like the guy can sell his nasty gash, or get his ass kicked around the octagon for obscene amounts of money.

Jenna and Tito are the last 2 people that should be giving lessons on life. Jenna was a high school dropout, as well as a heroine addict, who went from stripping to porno. Some say that she is smart, but I don’t see any of them hoping their daughter turns out to be a high priced hooker. If she was really smart, she wouldn’t have wasted any of that money on a drug problem that has left her looking like shit.

Tito really is pretty smart. He actually has some people believing that he lost to Randy, Chuck (2), Machida, and had lackluster performances against Rashad and Forrest, all because of a back problem. Look at the people he beat during his title reign: Tanner, Sinosic, Shamrock, Yuki Kondo, etc. He is a b level fighter who gets A+ level pay. He would have to be smart to do that.

Spot on naturalshadow – Tito is a C level fighter who has pulled a fast one on a lot of supposedly knowledgeable fans. He hasn’t done anything to convince me that he’s even a b level fighter. The greatest achievement of his career is probly sneaking up a triangle on Chida (which 1. he didn’t have and 2. was defended.) I wanna see him fight another competant striker like Luis Cane, T or A Silva, Lil Nog. Any of them would have desperately clasping at their feet tryin to get them down before either the KO or sub.

Sometimes the truth can be harsh. I’ve had a few jobs in downtown Dallas, so I’ve seen these shiftless layabouts many times.

Reality is always brutal.

it is OJR…fact is that when I was 18 I was also homeless…not because of bad luck or poor upbringing but because I moved 3000 km’s away without a job or any money…I’m not comparing myself to them as I have ALWAYS had a way out but have never needed to beg or be bailed out. I did it my way (sorry for the cliche) and am proud of that fact…anyone can do it imo

PW, you should show a little grace and buy one of them a coffee….you’ll be glad you did.

I had to live in a fungus ridden basement and eat baloney sandwiches for 2 years while I interviewed for jobs that were to people who “knew somebody”.

I took crappy jobs that paid me enough to buy a sandwich and go to the laundromat. That’s it. I was a clean bum, LOL.

Nobody ever gave me anything and I didn’t feel sorry for myself or play the race card, either. I just perservered. Same as you, Mac.

what about the shiftless layabouts that have served our country in deadly conflicts?! men who did a much greater service than u or ur own fathers have done!! men much greater than u or ur fathers!! ridicule those men on the streets and i know people in the 75th that will kill u for such actions. careful who u step on, never know who might take offense

deuce 4,

Who are you talking to?

deuce-

I agree. I would not kick a man while he is down, either.

+1

It’s a disgrace the way soldiers are treated after wars, they are sent out for pointless conflicts on behalf of the rich and die or are injured (physically or mentally), yet are treated like crap when they return after risking their lives for their country. None of the armed forces should ever end up homeless and it’s shameful that not more is done to look after them when they return.

That being said, I have a low opinion of beggars, they are clearly too lazy to look for a job themselves and expect handouts for booze or drugs. Usually they caused their own situation and I have little time for those that expect others to help them. Tito made a good point about working hard as a youth, if that guy had his work ethic then he wouldn’t be in the position that he is today.

nice summary Dave…+1

Simply correct some beggars only go for the cash and have many excuses to ask for it. Like I want to eat or drink something. Food; overrated. But seriously while at a burger king this bum came to my friend and asked him for food. We said no but went inside and got a whopper with large fries for him. He promptly told my buddy to fuck off. Which taught me a lesson and thus I don’t give to anyone on the streets.

no it wasn’t, I posted this yesterday and good for Tito.
***********I was wrong about the prediction, I’ll admit it and not care what you say!
Just watched TUF from lasrt night and read some of your comments guys and I really don’t get you guys and the double standards! Roy is fat and no one can move him if he’s on top, yet you got a 290 pound HW champion that no one can move if he’s on top… what cause he’s in shape?
“The fight was weak and roy looked terrible.” Are you guys serious, he had a plan, executed and dominated. I didn’t realize this was a stand and bang when your a ground fighter or you’re a pussy thursday! You guys are really amazing. If a football team has a great running back, they run the ball 90% of the time, and win, are they less of a team that has to win in the last second hail mary that saturates ESPN top plays the next day? A win is a win. I commend Roy for executing his game plan!
I’ve been very vocal about Kimbo the “fighter” vs. Kimbo the man, as a man I love him, he seems grounded, humble and eager to learn.
The “fighter” is 35, has no ground game and realistically sub par hands!
I’ll say this too, and I mean it, Dana White is a fucking moron last night. I don’t care how Roy won the fight, you truly showed your true colors last night when your TUF cash cow got dominated! I don’t care if he had him in the crucifix position and poked him on the head with his index finger, Kimbo wasn’t defending himself, period. He didn’t try to shift his hips and move to half guard or guard, there was one point where Roy was way to far over on Kimbo’s right side, Kimbo didn’t attempt an escape, it was a total domination. You may not like Roy, and Kimbo might be the only “star” of this season, but to come ar him like that after a dominating TKO victory was classless, even by Dana White standards!

I agree kevin. Kimbo basically gave up trying to get out when he got trapped. Hell it look like he just went limp and stopped moving towards the last seconds of the first round.

What intrigues me about kimbo though IS the fact that he’s not that good. The guy truly does want to get better though. You could tell afterwards that he really took that loss to heart. Even though he lost it still makes me want to see what he’ll learn and bring to his next fights.

agreed, dana white is doing exactly what jared shaw did when kimbo got knocked out… flipping out over their “marketable” fighter getting embarrassed, again…

he won’t learn much and if he does it’ll be too late as he’s already 35 years old and will be competing for the most part with guys 10 years his junior

agree again mac

Kimbo is a better fighter than Roy is, he just needs to be smarter out there and he’ll win with ease over guys like Roy… Roy is so slow that he could have easily avoided the clinch and getting taken down and won a decision

i agree with all of that kevin.

Roberto, you make me laugh every single day buddy, thank you! Add the collosol loss and what has kimbo done besides KO tank abbot?

brendan, i somewhat agree. dana is definitely protecting slice’s image a little.

but, at least the ufc is still marketing kimbo for what he is,
- a street fighter thats still new to mma-

skala and his slob dad gary, pumped kimbo as the best hw in the world.. big difference in promotion.

kimbo made a huge mistake trying to knee roy in the belly.. kimbo had nelson hurt. when roy charged in to clinch, kimbo should have pushed off and circled out..
that huge knee he attempted ended up costing him the fight imo-

kimbo has definitely improved over the year.. imo, if he didn’t go for that knee, and was able to keep it standing? kimbo had a chance at beating a legit hw fighter..

i give him his props he fought the best guy in the house and didn’t get destroyed in the first, and roy had to fight smart and use his ground game it was no give me fight for him but kimbo doesn’t seem ready for the ufc to me. i like him as a person and as a fighter but he needs to fight at his level and its not ufc,yet.

Kevin-

I think the point is that Roy should have BLASTED Kimbo into oblivion. He didn’t and it made him look subpar.

When you get a one-dimensional fighter in front of you then you should display dominance.

Roy was disappointing and I stand by that statement.

very true, roy..

kimbo sure does have the popularity to fight in the ufc..

but he sure needs more improvement to compete in the ufc..

nonetheless~ im a big kimbo fan, always have been.. im glad he’s at least going to get the opportunity.. and kimbo’s better in the ufc ‘hands’, rather being with the shaw family.. i know the ufc wont pump him as the next best thing..

That moron Brookhouse at Bloody Elbow titled this video “Tito Ortiz Berates A Homeless Man”.
He says “What does he know about the situation that put this man on the streets?”

My question to that moron is the same that he asked. Also, what does Brookhouse know about living L.A. where this shit happens to everyone, not just celebrities, almost on a daily basis? The majority of these guys are just lazy bums, most addicts, that dont try to better their situation at all. They would rather beg.

I’d put this on his piece, but he banned me way back when I criticized Kimbo Slice. LOL. They Need to change their name to P.C. Elbow.

there is a difference, some homeless are mentall ill and its sad. this guy is working it he knows whats up he is hanging at the hot spots hoping to get a payday off a celeb, he is not mentally ill he is probally top of the line bum bringing in good money. have you guys ever seen the videos of these guys leaving and getting into nice cars? there making better money than some of us and the ones that arn’t are shooting up the money.

Mex, good call on Brookhouse…no offence to NNR but people have preconceived ideas and opinions about Tito and roll with them despite the content of any given video…NNR can’t even listen to the video but passed judgement on Tito and agreed with the haters despite not having the facts…

great post roy…that bum was also very aware of the TMZ cameras and probably thought that millionaires wouldn’t dare refuse a bum their change while the tape was rolling…kudos to Tito for not caring what was filmed and for speaking his mind knowing that there was a possibility that what he said would make the evening news

LOL @ Roy: Top of the Line Bum

haha…the Tom Brady of bums

my pleasure, kevin. that is just how i feel. Roy isn’t that good, ppl should just move around him and basically make him pay for being so fat, short and slow.. Kimbo overcommitted two times and went into the clinch with him and paid for it

probably some guy TMZ paid to beg for some money then keep digging at Tito to see if they could get a good video clip anyway.

where’s JJ when you need him

sad but true

Why JJ?

Actually, the USA on paper is based on capitalism.

In reality, its based on an unofficial royal hierarchy…

A select few are guided to power and control the means of an entire nation while levying people with taxes and sending them to their death whenever it suits them politically.

“Actually, the USA on paper is based on capitalism.”

Not anymore. They were capitalist when the wealthiest %1 controlled %95 of the money. As soon as the wealthiest %1 squandered all of their money, and the other %99 of the American people actually had a chance to get some of that money back into their own pocket, the government said “nah, this capitalist thing ain’t workin’ no more”…then they proceeded to take $700 billion more dollars out wallets of that %99 and give it back to the richest people in the country…..that’s communism my friends.

enter Michael Moorer…lookin’ forwar to seeing his new flick

Introvert-

You DO realize that in essence I was agreeing with your argument that the concept of capitalism is a farce nowadays.

After all, I do live here…

I know OJR…just reiterating OUR point.

Ok, got you. Thought your reading comp was taking a dive, much like the value of the American dollar.

:)

JJ LOVES discussing politics and has burned me before on my opinions regarding capitalism, communism, and democracy…

so do I actully…another reason I frequent mania I guess…its been a while for me getting on here but nice to see some things never change ;)

“JJ LOVES discussing politics and has burned me before on my opinions regarding capitalism, communism, and democracy…”

Oh, I suppose he (or she) believes Capitalism is alive and well in the USA?

Yeah and I don’t know why…

Politics consists of a bunch of useless a$$holes lying to each other, about each other and for each other to suit their agendas…

Intro…JJ = JeremyJackson…he’s here all the time and is Canadian like me and you…Has he been around lately?

Last thing I read, he was in NYC for the weekend of the last UFC PPV.

???

Wow, a massive political debate stemming from me not hearing what the guy said and saying it was a little harsh to call him lazy when you don’t know the guys circumstances.

And as for the “don’t even go there” comment by RichT, I meant it was harsh to accuse the guy of being lazy. My brother and myself have both worked with homeless people (him more than me to be fair) and they’re not always lazy drug addicted alcoholics. Some are, no doubt, but not all./ I’m sure you’d be up in arms if the guy was calling Tito a knucklehead and trying to generalise MMA fighters?

na i woulnd’t likes…u can take the girl out the business but u cant take the business out the girl

I wouldn’t, I’m wondering why she didn’t spread and let the homeless guy crawl up out of the elements and a nap!

Haha damn

zing!

joints, i give them money sometimes it depends on my mood. you get to know some of the local bums after awhile some i like some i don’t.

ahhh…cool.

Feeding there drug habit, the christmas spirit is alive and well.

you should see the smiles on there faces, it brings a tear to my eye.

LMAO!

You’re a true humanitarian, Roy, and we applaud your efforts hahahaha.

Takes two to tango.

Tito like any kind of exposure. I’m a fan of his, but I do realize that he talks first…thinks second. He should have just shut his trap, IMO.

probably…its the nature of the beast in “hollywood hotbeds” I suppose…as a fan Intro, I’m sure you’re aware of just how many donations, fundraisers, and charities Tito is involved in…

Sure, McArthur…I’m aware. But, all of that gets wiped out if he acts like a complete dick to a homeless man with a camera around…being graceful is a full time job, not part-time.

agree to disagree…imo he said no and turned his head only to be asked again. The camera rolling would prompt most celeb’s to give despite their desire not to. Tito on the other hand stood fast despite the camera being on. Is Tito the bigger dick for saying no with an explanation? Or is the homeless guy given a pass because he is homeless, well-fed and out of work?