Was I watching the same fight? Kimbo wasn’t doing anything, but neither was Nelson. He gave Kimbo a really bad Noogie. That’s it. No punches to the face, they were to his forehead, the hardest place on the body. Overall not a very exciting fight. That’s three duds, folks. I hope the action starts to get better.

really? u guys think it should have been stoped the first time? they were doing like no damage at all though, it wasnt like when hughes got bj in the move and even that lasted a little while before it got stopped, I mean even roy talked before the fight and was saying even if he was just slapping him the reff would have to stop it. but really? I mean if its doing no damage it shouldn be stopped those punches looked more anoying than painful.

I agree Nor Cal…Kimbo popped right up after the bell…“not intelligently defending yourself” is a valid argurement but not in this case as there was 20 seconds left in the rnd…

Nelson did absolutely nothing to impress me. Great, he won the fight, but how many viewers did he put to sleep in the process as he was fatty-fvcking Kimbo? I don’t have a problem with guys that are all business, and do what needs to be done to win the fight…..but don’t get up like you just conquered the Roman Empire, cuz all you really did was give us a 3rd shitty fight in a row.

Another thing about Kimbo…..and i realize that these shows are edited to show what they (UFC) want to show us, but if their mission is to get us (the public) to like Kimbo Slice, they’re doing a pretty good job. From what i’ve seen, and again i realize it’s edited, but he seems like a pretty damn good dude to me. I hope he has a chance to get back in the competition, because i appreciate his stand-up, agressive style. Maybe he’ll produce a halfway decent fight this season if someone will step up and throw with him….

no damage.
Herb did a great job – as he pretty much always does.
you don’t stop the fight due to love taps.
sure – Kimbo wasn’t defending. but there wasn’t much to defend!
Roy is just crying.
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i agree with Freddy (post above)…. 3 abysmal fights, so far.
things had bet get better than this.

Plus I think Roy hit his stomach more then Kimbo’s forehead.

Roy should worry more about his inability to finish a fight when he has someone in the crucifix.

that fight sucked, Roy should have have been able to secure a sub and finish the fight

Some please tell Roy to shut his mouth until he signs a contract. Why piss off Dana before he even gets in the UFC. Plus the win wasn’t that impressive. My two year old punches harder than he was hitting Kimbo.

Roy was totally sensible guys! He knew he could have his way with Kimbo so easily on the ground (hell Kimbo makes Kongo look like a Gracie), so he just easily got to crucifix and hit him with some soft punches knowing Kimbo couldn’t defend and he’d get a comfortable stoppage. Totally sensible as he’s got another potential 3 fights? What’s the point in wailing on a bum like Kimbo full tilt and risking breaking a hand so early in the comp, when you can just win with the minimum of effort and risk?

Refs still help their favourites in sport, that is why Man Utd were allowed extra time to score a winning goal when the game should have ended. Look at what has happened to Lesnar against Mir, he was wrongly stood up and deducted a point the first fight and threatened with a stand-up the second fight. Kimbo was given the benefit of the doubt because he’s the posterboy of the show.

Brock wasn’t wrongly stood up he legitimately hit Mir in the back of the head. If you watched the countdown show to UFC 100 they showed a shot of it where it was clearly visible. I do think Kimbo was given a little too long though, there was no way I’d call anything about his defense “intelligent.”

If Kimbo is the poster boy for the UFC, I’m done. Are you forgetting about Anderson, BJ, GSP, Machida, Lesnar, Randy, Tito, et al.? All the above are legit mixed martial artist. Kimbo is a striker. Give him credit for trying, but he is not yet a mixed martial artist.

Brock was wrongly stood up and he got a point taken away from him for no reason. It’s a fight, Mir turned his head around cause he wanted out and that means fight is over! Kimbo wasn’t given too much time at all, he didn’t tap and he wasn’t hurt..

Ok, pet peeve. Stop inserting “…” after everything you say (not that you, in particular, Roberto, just in general). It’s completely meaningless and is really just an arrogant way of responding to others posts (as if whatever you’re saying is so obviously correct). It makes your post look childish and whatever your saying look weaker. If you want to convince me of something, make your post itself persuasive instead of using condescending grammatical devices.

That aside, Brock hit the back of the head. I have noticed from your other posts, Roberto, that you are a Brock fan, but be objective! Mazzagatti saw that Brock broke a rule in the fight and did what he was supposed to. When you see a specific violation it’s not really a judgment call—if you want to debate the rules I’m all for it just don’t blame the refs for enforcing them.

As for Kimbo, I agree he was not gettin devastated or anything near that, however he was getting repeatedly pounded on and was offering zero resistance. How many unanswered shots would you have him take before it was stopped? 100? 200?

Alright, as i said i think it’s a matter of hurting your opponent and make them quit, Roy did none of that IMO. I thought the stoppage was good in the 2nd round but would have been pissed if Herb stopped it in the 1st for the reason i just gave.

Brock/Mir’s first fight again. What i saw was Steve take a decision that he never does and no other refs do either. Blows are delivered to the back of the head all the time! this time it happened when Brock was raining down on a visibly hurt Mir and he was too much in the moment to just stop in a split sec when Mir turned his head around and gave up.

I can understand that and agree that it’s not usually called (I think it’s a dumb rule, anyway). I wouldn’t say it was BS call, though, as it’s in the rules. From what Rogan says the real problem area is by the top of the spine so they should just increase the allowed area.

ok hang on a sec david w-s, the referee added 4 minutes stoppage time, he then added an extra minute for the bellamy celebration and 30 seconds for a substitution which he is allowed to do – owen’s goal was scored 5’26" in added time – where’s the problem? simple maths

do people forget that kenny florian was pretty much NON existent in TUF1 until the very end….lol

it is what it is you know

funny thing is, some of the trolls here think their opinion matters to me and that I wouldn’t admit it!

ouch ;)

Dana has done great things for the UFC but I don’t see him doing great things for MMA. Sure he’ll build a global empire but in comparison should Michigan Football play Penn State for the championship every year simply because they can sell the most seats and generate the highest ROI??? Pretty soon MMA gyms will start teaching drama lessons right inbetween judo and striking… can’t wait

Kevin the meaning of internet troll isn’t anyone who has a differing opinion from Kevin. That was a good post but talking down to other people because you think you are smarter than them, makes you look like a dic.

Jay, you my friend are s2pid. With regards to my correction to the word “mochary”, I was correcting the first poster. Notice that my comment was nested on the first commenter’s comment, and not the 2nd one.
So your correction of my “alleged” correction of the 2nd poster makes you a complete failure of a poster.
Nice try…

this was on the “Kimbo enters the octagon” thread, in case your miniscule brain can’t remember…

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Kevin-

I think the point is that Roy should have BLASTED Kimbo into oblivion. He didn’t and it made him look subpar.

When you get a one-dimensional fighter in front of you then you should display dominance.

Roy was disappointing and I stand by that statement.

Roy did display dominance…he said before the fight exactly what he was going to do and then went in there and executed it pretty easily. Getting someone in the crucifix position is one of the most dominant positions you can get someone in and Roy did it to him twice. I’m not saying that the win was impressive by any means but to say he didn’t dominate the fight is crazy. He exposed Kimbo’s lame ground game in a humiliating fashion.

yep roy did good, didn’t take to much damage on his feet took it to the ground and won.

good points Kev, AND OJR…I expected more from Roy as well and think he’ll get tuned if Wes Sims is in half decent shape…

Buster-

Kimbo’s ground game was exposed a long time ago by a lesser fighter than Roy.

Roy had welts on his face from the damage he took and Kimbo looked like he ran some wind sprints.

Your idea of dominance is obviously different from mine.

OJR, how much more dominant could he have been? If he hit him “harder” it’s more dominant? I think it adds insult to injury him just “smacking and pillow punching” Rampage’s first pick, and sitting on the couch predicting it exactly as it happened pre fight!

I didn’t say that it was an impressive win or that I thought he destroyed or even hurt Kimbo. He came in with a game plan of getting him in the crucifix and patting him on the head until the ref stopped it…and he got him that position twice. Roy dominated him on the ground…I think we can all agree on that…and the fight was on the ground a lot…hence the dominance. It wasn’t pretty and wasn’t much of a fight but the difference in skill was very apparent.

I thought Kimbo should have kept it up with the leg kicks as well. That one he landed sounded like a whip and was pretty fast. I know he didn’t want to get taken down but with the speed of those kicks…it would be difficult to capitalize on I would imagine.

Winners aren’t chosen by who has the prettiest face after a fight OJR. Regardless of a few red spots (which would obviously show up more on Roy than Kimbo anyway), he had control of that fight pretty much the entire time. I agree that getting someone in the crucifix twice is pretty dominating.

Much agreement on that point. I wouldn’t say dominance, more like controlled Kimbo. He certainly didn’t display anything devastating to me, and quite frankly, he may have done more damage by fighting (if you can call it that)in such a weak way. To prove a point, you would have thought he would have taken Kimbo behind the woodshed and demolished him in front of a national audience, rather he fought to not lose this fight.

Greggo-

“Winners aren’t chosen by who has the prettiest face after a fight OJR.”

I was referencing dominance and not the concept of winning or losing.

You missed the point.

Buster and Kevin-

Roy laying on Kimbo with his body weight and pit patting without any damage is NOT dominance.

Brock laying on Mir with his body weight and disfiguring his face in the process is dominance.

That’s the difference.

OJR-

I’ll agree with you that what Brock did to Mir was dominance but we can agree to disagree on everything that word encompasses in MMA. To me it’s more than the amount of damage caused. Kimbo not being able to move is the very essence of being dominated IMO.

Roy executed his strategy. Hopefully, other fighters have the ground game not to get caught in the crucifix and hopefully, Roy actually starts hitting people.

Greggo-

“To me it’s more than the amount of damage caused.”

Certainly a unique take on your part considering that this is a combat sport (which in essence is about damage rendered to your opponent).

I don’t know how you can overlook that essential component but w/e.

Thanks for your contribution, anyway.

Good points both sides. I am leaning towards OJR but Kevin and co. make very good points.

So when Crocop and Nog fought (in this organization called “Pride” which is ANOTHER promotion other than the UFC), Crocop beat on Nog for 14 minutes…really tore him up. Then Nog submitted Crocop. Nog won and CC barely had a scratch on him. That’s what MMA is. Even though it is a combat sport it is still a sport and not pure combat.

Thats the deal, Nog had a better performance because he WON! Even if it was based on weathering the storm and striking on an opportunity, Nog still won the fight. So did Nelson. Period.

Period isn’t a sentence, when you say period it is suppose to mean end of sentence or conversation. Like this….GSP is the greatest WW fighter in the world period See how that works? You are using a stupid saying to try to look smart or authoritative and it has the opposite effect. Stupid post. Period. There see what I mean.

Comment by jay
2009-10-01 18:55:13
Kevin the meaning of internet troll isn’t anyone who has a differing opinion from Kevin. That was a good post but talking down to other people because you think you are smarter than them, makes you look like a dic.

take your own advice

Well Jay, please allow me to retort.

My use of the word “period” is a single word statement meaning end of topic, discusion, and thought.

Your use is actually incorrect:
 Like this….GSP is the greatest WW fighter in the world period See how that works?

Actually, your use is void of actual punctuation. I think what you meant to type is:
 Like this….GSP is the greatest WW fighter in the world, period. See how that works?

In order to use it your way, you would need a comma and wait for it….a “period” before you start the next sentence. Either way that I described is correct; a single word statement or with the punctuation. However, your condescending lament is actually the one that is grammatically incorrect. Laughable that you missed the point of my post entirely and then tried to cap on it while showing your own ineptitude with the language. Given, ability with grammar and puntucation here is as rare as humility but why don’t you stick to trying to contest a point which you may be able to fumble your way through instead of mangling an attempt at correcting grammar.

jay is s2pid..Period!

Striker Dave-

You have an interesting yet limited mindset in regards to MMA.

And that’s fine, you are entitled to your unique view of combat sports.

However, I was discussing dominance and performance within the context of a specific match (Kimbo vs. Roy).

I am just as aware of the simple concept of winning or losing as you are. That was never in dispute from my side.

I appreciate your CC vs. Nog example but that is a red herring that strays away from my original point….

Did Roy win? Obviously. Did he dominate? No.

SYd I tried to find what you are talking about in all the Kimbo threads for the past 2 days, can’t find it.

roy, I was being a dic for telling Kevin he has a superiority complex? Kevin acts like if you haven’t been posting on this site as long as him your opinion doesn’t matter. This is a glorified chat room and if KEvin doesn’t like hearing others opinions he isn’t going to have much fun here.

Dave. Maybe what I should have said was " people who end sentences or statements with – period, end of discussion, and the like are total dics. Is that better for you genius? Just a pet peeve of mine, it has nothing to do with you really, I don’t know you and my first impression of someone who speaks like that is as I said DIC.

Jay- Too bad, a guy on the internet called me a DIC. Boo-hoo. Especially from a guy who made a feeble attempt to correct me but only showed his inability to correctly convey a thought, it really breaks me up. Waaaaaaaaaah.

OJR– Just like Jay, you try to make a point that you aren’t getting. You try to say that I have a closed mind about combat sports,but it’s actually you that have the the closed mind. Dominance is not just issuing a mother f’in’ beatdown. Dominance is actually imposing one’s will on the opponent with little or no resistance. Roy said he was going to take Kimbo down, and tap him on the face until the fight gets stopped because Slice wouldn’t be able to defend himself…..THEN HE DID PRECISELY THAT WITH NO RESISTANCE. Sorry ROY DOMINATED KIMBO.

And another thing, I’m hearing a lot of guys saying Kimbo almost caught Roy with a punch. Since when do we give credit to guys who almost do something? Tito saying he almost submitted Lyoto is laughable. He just failed, that’s all. What do you think would happen if went in to my boss today and said I almost made the deadline but instead I cost the company tens of thousands of dollars? Of course Kimbo punched Ray in the face, any punch from any fighter would stun an opponent. But seconds, yes seconds, later Roy was putting Kimbo in the crucifix. “But Kimbo almost pushed him off”…but he didn’t. He just failed.

FACE THE FACTS…KIMBO HAD NOTHING FOR ROY NELSON. Or Seth P for that matter.

Striker Dave-

Roy’s face would suggest Kimbo’s “lack of resistance”.

Your argument is repetitive and without merit.

Let’s leave it at that and move on.

I am right and you are wrong.

Period.

Agreed. Dana calls weak fights out all the time, so him calling Roy out after he was walking around acting like he just pulled off some amazingly technical submission was just. That was an amazingly weak-ass fight by Nelson, and yes, he dominated him on the ground, but he definately did not dominantly finish him, more like a gentle hug.

Dana always loves to bash people for not winning how he wants, I know that he’s a promoter but c’mon it’s their job to win not entertain. It’d be like Sepp Blatter criticising Chelsea for only beating Nicosia 1-0 last night, it’s unprofessional for Dana to say things like that and a guy in his position in any other sport would not do so. If Nelson did that to anyone else Dana would be bashing the opponent for having no ground game but now Roy is the boring one because he killed the Kimbo show. He did the same thing to Andy when he didn’t win the way he wanted against Leites.

I’d say judging from how Roy acted post-fight, and the total letdown of the fight itself, DW probably was just disgusted by his actions. The fight was lackluster, boring, and way over-hyped. DW definately can’t keep his thoughts away from his mouth, but in this case I thought it was just since Roy thought it was his best work to date.

David-

Roy was talking a alot of crap about Kimbo before the match up was even made. Roy deserves his criticism for looking lackluster after all of that bluster.

BTW – I picked Roy to win the whole thing.

I got Sims

OJR, Roy did what he said he was going to do and that was get Kimbo in a crucifix position and pound on him. It was Kimbo who was lying on his back not defending punches, not Roy so it’s Kimbo who looked lackluster. I’m not saying that it was a vintage performance but I’m not going to bash him for using an effective tactic.

Be careful that was not slick editing on Spike’s part. He simply explained the crucifix to the rest of the guys, I don’t necessarily think he called it.

“he fought not to lose?”
lets see, has Kimbo mounted, moves to side control and gets him in the crucifix (very dominant) position, wash rinse repeat! What did he do to make you think he was trying not to lose besides execute his game plan word for word right down to counting the punches!???

Because that’s what Dana said or because he’s a Kimbo fan and is upset that his man got dominated.

Defend him as you will, but the guy was an IFL Champion, supposed JJ blackbelt, 30+ lbs heavier, and much more experienced fighter. Not to mention he stated several times how this is his last go around trying to get into the UFC. If he was so dominant, he would have layed Kimbo out, showed off his scary skills, and made a real show of it to DW. Kimbo has no ground game period, and this guy pitter-patted on top of his head with 44 lazy punches while his belly hung over Kimbo’s face and then proceeded to get up and taut himself as the king. He damaged himself more by fighting like that because the expectations by DW and the audience were much higher due to his credentials. So, yes, he fought not to lose, because had he fought like he a champion and lost to Kimbo, he would have been embarassed.

Agreed 100% slim.

Effective does not equal dominance.

Neither, just calling how I saw it. The fight was an absolute boring fight in my opinion, but being who Roy Nelson is, I along with many others, expected much more. So you can call it dominance, but being the vast difference in skill levels between the two fighters, dominance wouldn’t be the word I would choose.

Exactly.

got it slim, you see I see this as a reality show, so I expect zero out of any of them… and thats what we’ve seen in 3 fights!

agreed…I literally haven’t seen anything…absolutely nothing has impressed me yet…when Page picked the camera guy as his last pick I laughed but other than that…zip

I can’t.

intro are you surprised that Dana was acting a fool? Why waste your days posting slanderous remarks about a dufus like Dana White? We get it, Dana is a villain and he invented AIDS, and he hates children and he once took advantage of you at an all boys school. Find a new topic your posts are getting old. We know you don’t like Dana it is sort of a joke whenever you post anything about the UFC brass or anything to do with authority.

“or anything to do with authority.”

lmao..since when is Dana “authority” over me? Or you for that matter? Poor bastard.

Jay jay jay…You are completely makin’ a fo0l outta yourself by trying to be a smartas$ with guys smarter than you. Give up the game and go home…

Not Authority over you, Intro. Syd what? I think I might have gotten off on the wrong foot with you somewhere in a Kimbo thread? I don’t know but cyber stalking is the first sign of homosexuality, I’d get myself checked if I were you.

thats just Jesse, Mania and adam wagner at the last mania BBQ. Don’t hate them, they think they look good!

the last BBQ was in July…its taken them that long to do themselves justice with the photoshop