The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 10: Episode 3 recap and discussion

well tuf is going back to 25ooo viewers again.

did u see how they are trying to get veiwers to keep watching! jones goes down! kimbo slice is called to the rescue! ufc & tuf just did an elite xc!

unless…

I don’t think that Jones is going to get replaced. I saw a video where Marcus describes what it is like fighting and it shows him walking out to the octagon on TUF. If you get replaced, you can’t fight again can you? UNLESS Kimbo wins and then gets injured so they have to bring MARCUS back..regardless, here is the vid I was talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCaVUR8S8U

kimbo will get to the final an prob win due to an injury he marketed himself far to much to get no where ni the compettion

DID I NOT CALL THIS WHOLE SCENARIO THE OTHER DAY? GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS I CALLED THIS!
“KIMBO LOSES AND SOMEONE GETS HURTS, AND IS REPLACED WITH KIMBO!”
god im a genius

Roy did not impress me at all. That was some of the weakest GnP I have ever seen. I think Cain Velasquez hits harder. And I predicted Roy to win the whole thing.

Kimbo impressed me with some sort of fundamental TDD. Hard to believe but it looked like he improved just a bit. His humility makes it hard to hate him.

he called his shot though…he said he put him into a crusifix and did

As I stated before, Roy Nelson is a loser for picking the weakest ground fighter in the house. I know in TUF that its their goal to make sure their guys make it to the finals but Rashad blew another fighters chance at beating Kimbo and making a name for himself in the process while he gave it to Roy who is expected to win this show easily and who already has name value. Kimbo is a humble guy in defeat but in no way does he ever belong inside of the octagon, anyone who argues is naive. Kimbo’s stand up is good incomparrison to someone who has terrible stand up, and his ground game is non existent. There is absolutely nobody inside the octagon who can’t beat Kimbo and there are very few with jaws weak enough for Kimbo to break.

So where are all the insiders that “knew what was going to happen.” I think there were somewhere in the realm of 30-40 guys who said they “knew” Kimbo won that fight via KO or “contraversial decision.” “I heard it from a producer.” etc…

Time to hear these guys man up and admit they the were full of sh*t.

oooo you got me good, oooo I thought it was gonna end by one of those two ways, ooo way to call me out on it, I feel so stupid now oooo

I was actually talking about all the people who posted their supposed “spoilers,” who said that they knew for a fact what was going to happen, because they had these great, secret sources. I was not refering to those who simply opined that Kimbo could win.

But if you want that associate yourself with the former, thats on you.

1 hour of my life I will never get back – totally overrated BS….

his source is sherdog someone posted that yesterday

Anyone else NOT want to see Wandy vs. Akiyama? The only way this fight interests me is if Wandy kills him. I can’t say I am a huge fan of Akiyama’s fights.

John = attention seeking loser. This just shows how lame a fighter Kimbo is, he got owned by a fat short corn fed country boy putting in about 50% effort. Wahhhh
Imagine Kimbo trying to fight in the UFC.

Here is a list of guaranteed losses for Kimbo

Brock
Nog
Randy
Carwin
Cain
GG
JDS
Mir
Herring
Velasquez

Who is he going to fight? He has no chance of doing anything interesting or ever breaking the top ten so we should just dump him now and never talk of the lame ass excuse for a fighter again.

Are they holding 108 in Tokyo. Cause that fight would sell out the biggest arena in tokyo in 10 minutes.

Not a good fight for Sexyama at all to be honest, Wandi is a huge MW and Sexyama is one of the smallest in the division. Perfect fight for Wandi to get back on track and get a brutal KO over a big name. I like Sexyama but I don’t like his chances in this one at all. It would be a huge fight in Japan though and I have a feeling that Japanese fans will be pleased with the outcome.

Guarantee Silva loses, GUARANTEE!

didnt kno cain and Velasquez were two different ppl

Two insanely overrated fighters.

Wandy isn’t overrated, but he is past his prime.

Wandy overrated?! Get the boat.

how is modern-day Wand not over-rated? Big wins? No… Title contention? No… explain…

Naturalshadow explained it concisely.

A sure fire HOF’er (which means he is not overrated) that has currently underachieved (past his prime).

no idea syd. Big fan of both fighters and it alll depends on which wandy shows up. If he fights withh dicsipline, fighting TO WIN, he has this fight…but if he throws caution to the wind to please his fans, I can see Yoshihiro catching him!

BMO: so people read news like this days ago, and dont have the courtesy to post it for everyone else? How thoughtful! Maybe you hould try passing along osme news when you read it, instead of bashing me for it!

BMO: Lucky for me, I DONT FREQUENT sherdog! Want a good site? hit up Linker1!

how about you show some courtesy and contribute by actually breaking the news when you read it? Thanks!

I would post links for crap that I read, but I find that Mania doesnt post it when I bring up another site…Instead of you guys wasting your time on sherdog, you guys should try mmalinker…get a lot of great news off of that site!

haha don’t take it personally, I was actually aiming that all posters since nobody gives credit, just add it as the link in your name and I consider that credit. Either way it wasn’t on mania so I consider it news worthy. btw I hate sherdog, very anti ufc biased.

I agree with everything you said john (except the tattoo part I already have War Petruzelli on my face so I don’t want conflicting ideas lol) I also hated how roy stood up after the finish and looked pissed it took the ref so long to stop it. Just because Roys corner has a “wwe” moment and start counting off roys love taps on top of kimbos head doesn’t mean that the ref has to stop it..

Have I gained respect for Kimbo? Absolutely. He comes off as a decent, respectful bloke in every way. That said, it is unbelievable how inept he is on the ground. While I get that he’s a work in progress, I frankly see nothing in the category of actual progress. Nelson’s positioning was such that it appeared that someone with even an average ground game could have scrambled to at least a neutral postion. I saw no effort from Kimbo to use his lower half to scramble. Kimbo reminded me of a turtle that had been flipped over. He was that helpless. I’m afraid no amount of time will make up for his total lack of savvy.

As I’ve mentioned on previous threads, I’ve so far seen no one with potential to do damage in the HW division. Just eyeballing the rest of the cast, the prospects don’t appear great for things to improve. To put it bluntly, this TUF has been a disappointing train wreck so far.

You sound brain washed. I this guys name wasnt Kimbo Slice " Street Brawler" we would not even care about him. Be serious his fights are boring except for the Thomson fight which they gave each other a good fight. But Kimbo is just that a Low Level guy with a famous name. Theres plenty of street brawlers turned fighters that have done way better than Kimbo. The UFc should feel ashamed to keep promoting this guy when he is not even a threat.

Kimbo has to share some of the blame in that fight. Roy was only able to make it that easy because Kimbo never bothered to learn how to wrestle, or use bjj, in about 3-4 years of training for mma. This is a tournament style contest, and Roy got past the first round without a scratch. Boring as could be, but probably the smart thing to do.

All this show showed me is that Big Country is overrated and Dana couldn’t handle watching $$$ go down the toilet so he trashed Nelson’s dominant win. Kimbo showed that he’s made 0 improvements on the ground. His defensive wrestling is better but he just doesn’t meld with grappling game. Anyone with 1 day in BJJ knows you hip up and bump when mounted. You never stay flat, more to your sides, try to return him to guard blah blah blah. Anyways, the end result is 6 million viewers who lost interest in Kimbo.

I am just as irritated that the fight got stopped in the way it did and Roy was a pu$$ about the whole thing. Dana was pissed too because he again would rather you fight and lose than not fight and win… BUT there is a big BUT here concerning Roy (pun intended) he is right that the rules say you have to be able to intelligently defend yourself and Kimbo did not have the ability to do that and was not scrambling to get out of the position he was in. I was rooting for Kimbo the whole way for the same Reason John G explained but as weak as it is, the stoppage was a correct one because of how the rules read. That doesn’t mean I agree with it but it is what it is.

Let me put a stop to all of this. Kimbo is not an MMA fighter. His strikes didn’t look good at all and his ground game is non existent. He’s a tough likeable guy but he’s not an mma fighter. Sorry.

Wow what a surprise, Kimbo still sucks on the ground. I’m amazed that so many people bought into the hype, ironically the same people that bashed Kimbo actually believed that he’d improved and are now fans of him, including Dana. Fact is Kimbo looked awful off his back and showed no improvement at all in his BJJ. I knew from the start that the Kimbo TUF hype was to bring in ratings because he’s a huge name, not because he’s talented, I doubt that he’ll fight again this series (the clip of the guy pounding his opponent looks more like Marcus Jones to me). I found it funny that the UFC are trying to keep the Kimbo fanbase happy by acting as if he’s going to replace Marcus, chances are Jones was just knackered and ends up fighting.

Roy fought the smart fight, he quickly realised that Kimbo was the better striker so he took him down, got a dominant position with ease, attempted a couple of submissions then got into the crucifix position and pounded on Kimbo. Whilst the punches weren’t powerful they were effective and the fight was rightly stopped as Kimbo wasn’t defending himself at all. No complaints against his strategy at all and it’s pretty pathetic how he’s getting bashed for winning by fighting smart. However I have a feeling that he’s the traitor in Rashad’s team as he rooms with Kimbo and has no training camp himself so won’t be fussed about being loyal to his team.

WAR KIMBO. Big Country punches like a woman, and not a tough woman like Cyborg either! Good post John!

C’mon man, give the guy a break. He’s humble as they come, he openly admits he’s not an MMA fighter, he was lucky enough to be given a break, and he was thrust into the spotlight by a greedy promoter. Who wouldn’t take a half mil to fight, regardless of your skill?! You can’t help but root for the guy, and I think now that Dana has actually met Kimbo, he’s giving him every chance possible to make it. Who doesn’t want this guy to make it? I’d love to have more guys with his attitude in all sports.

David! Again, I agree with you. I don’t see how guys are knocking on Big Country. There’s only so much force you can get in a punch from that position anyway. Matt Hughes in his prime did that to guys without them going out, so its not like Roy wasn’t trying.

Dana said, basically, that Roy won by trying to take the least amount of damage possible. Wellll, isn’t that what EVERYONE tries to do? Isn’t that what MACHIDA and ANDERSON are known for? By fighting and taking some to NO punishment? But I guess because Roy pissed on the Kimbo parade that he gets bashed for it. Whatever guys. I see nothing wrong with the way he won, he called it, and he did it. I’ve always been on Dana’s side with practically everything, but that was just dumb to say that Roy was punching “like a girl”.

I hope Roy wins the rest of the season doing the exact same thing!

Dana came off as an idiot at the end, blatantly trying to save face and keep the casuals interested in the Kimbo show. I was looking forward to this series but now Rampage-Rashad isn’t happening and the whole series has been edited around Kimbo I’m quickly losing interest. The only time anyone else gets shown is when they’re talking to or about Kimbo or briefly hyping up their fight. I don’t even mind the lackluster fights as most of these are novices so the skills and cardio aren’t going to be there especially in the first week, but I’d like some fairer editing as I’m not a Kimbo fan so I don’t want to just see Kimbo.

In defense of Kimbo, Roy is a BJJ blackbelt under Renzo Grazie. That is a huge deal, they are not known for handing out there black belts easily. Kimbo has been training mma all of 2 years. He is an ADCC competitor. Kimbo was a street fighter who is just learning stills. Kimbo never really had a chance outside of a good combo/big shot. He defended the first takedown, held his own in the clinch but on the ground Roy was just to experienced. Even the second takedown was because Kimbo took a chance to throw the knee while back peddling. What is sad for Roy and Renzon Gracie should be sick to his stomach, that his student did as little as possible to get the win. No attempt to legitmatly end the fight. He basically got a pin fall and acted like he defeated the number #1 HW contender in highlight reel fashion. I think Kimbo would beat any of the first 4 fighters or possibly the rest that haven’t fought. Especially the second set of guys that fought. It is a shame that Roy is to pig headed to actually make himself look good and shine. He has legit skills, yet he chooses to suck ass. Roy was my pick to win the series from the getgo but it looks like if anyone is willing to or able to push a hard pace against him they could beat his whooper eating ass.

Roy isn’t here to fn entertain you. He’s here to win to fights and get paper. As a fighters that’s all he should be expected to do. This is what pisses me off about MMA, “fans” want entertainment, they don’t want an fn sport. They want a WWE that they can justify to their friends as being socially normal coz it’s “real.” Do you watch the NFL or baseball or any other fn sport including combat sports expecting people to do flashy sh!t instead of smart gameplans? This is why i hate fn stand and bangers more than any lay and prayer in the god damn world. Either we have a ton of in closet Kimbo lovers or a bunch of idiots claimin to be fans coz all this unjustified roy hate is ridiculous.

No one is getting off the ground with that gut in your face. Kimbo couldn’t see or hear anything down there. I imagine it would feel like deep sea diving without the scuba gear.

No doubt, not to mention Roy outweighed him by 30-40 lbs, then lays his fat gut across his face. It was just a pathetic display by Nelson who should have throughly dominated Kimbo. It appeared he could do what he wanted with Kimbo on the ground, why not go for a technical submission? Boring…

Is it just me, or does Rampage not come off as a douche on the show constantly now that he yet again has backed out of a top contender fight? He’s out of shape, constantly talking shit, but doesn’t want to back it up.

NNR I don’t know if it is Roy hate. I just think, myself included expected a lot more from Roy. Hey is an elite grappler and probably a top 20 mma fighter in his weight class. Yes he did finish the fight, but I guess my expectations were just not met. If Damian Maia was in there with someone with 0 ground game, ie. Sakara, you would expect him to finish him. I am not saying Roy is on Maia’s level, but he is an accomplished grappler, facing a fighter with 0 ground defense. Kimbo is like a turtle on his back, when he is on the ground. You are correct though, I love the ground game and when I posted I was expecting a more entertaining fight and fell into that shitting on Roy posting. Roy was my pick to win the minute they announced the cast. I just really expected more from Big Country with his skill level and mma experience. I think though this shows he still has a lot to learn and should open up to Rashad and the Jackson camp.

Spot on NNR, I want to see fights where the competitors try to win using their strengths and their opponents weaknesses, which is exactly what Roy did by taking down Kimbo, transitioning to a dominant position, getting him in a crucifix and pounding away until the fight was stopped. Roy isn’t a clown, he’s not paid to entertain he’s paid to fight and to try to win, I’d rather someone works hard to win than plays to their opponents strength by standing and banging to make the fight more exciting (Lytle, Gurgel).

Fights to me are a lot more exciting when two well matched opponents fight smart and give it everything that they have to win, rather than 2 people having the same kickboxing match you’ve seen a thousand times before it inevitably goes to a decision as neither fighter has any technique or power behind their strikes. I’m not a fan of clay and gray tactics either but I’m more annoyed when those type of fighters are rewarded for position over action and in this fight Nelson got a dominant position and was the only fighter doing anything, it was Kimbo lying on the floor doing nothing not Roy.

Dana doesn’t help matters either when he criticises people for not winning how he wants them to e.g. Andy, Nelson or for letting the fight go to a decision. To me that is showing a lack of respect to the fighters and is an easy way to piss them off. It’s also a shallow attempt at making MMA appealing to mindless people who are only entertained by stand and bang fights and boo fighters when they’re not throwing strikes or take their opponent down. You don’t see football fans booing the teams if the game is poor, they go to see their teams try to win so I don’t see why mixed martial artists are booed just because they don’t fight like the fans want them to.

“Do you watch the NFL or baseball or any other fn sport including combat sports expecting people to do flashy sh!t instead of smart gameplans?”

There were tons of complaints about how boring the Spurs made the NBA. Same with the boring trap the Devils employed back in the day.

It’s hard to compare team sports with combat sports because there are inherent local/family rooting interests. But generally speaking, new or neutral rooting interest fans would gravitate more towards a high powered passing offense than a slow, plodding, yet efficient ball control offense. Roy did the equivalent of going up 6-0 against an inferior opponent and going on a few 15 minute clock killing drives to end the game. Smart, yes. But not overly impressive in my opinion.

Round 2: Kimbo clocks him and Roy flops around for a moment until a they tie up…..

Just to save Mania the time.

Sorry, missed that, my mistake.

I always skip the first word or two of paragraphs. =X

Maybe Kimbo wasn’t lyin about Bas and the lack of effective training. I don’t see how he was training with anyone and still looks that bad.

I hate to break it to you guys but the reason Kimbo lost is because HE SUCKS!!!! He got gassed from trying to stop a takedown. Kimbo is not even top 30. Get of his nuts you PC nut swingers.

Of course he sucks, I like him because I feel sorry for him, and I think he is a really nice guy who deserves to be treated better.

Yea, name me one guy on that show this season that doesn’t suck? I’d much rather see Kimbo suck an have a humble attitude than a Roy Nelson who sucks and is walking around like he’s the greatest show on earth.

AMEN slim, couldn’t have said it any better myself.

and cmon guys, kimbo HAS shown improvement.. he almost made that nice backflip reversal off the cage. kimbo just made a mental mistake and attempted an “arlovski-like” unnecessary knee after he was connecting successful strikes.. it lost him the fight in the 2nd round.

everyone else on the show sucks ass and i hope someone gets hurt and kimbo comes back and annhilates whoever he has to fight. kimbo is one of the nicest guys on TUF thus far and its a nice lil break from all the usual douchebaggery

EXACTLY! good posts Jay n slim!

All Im saying is that if I am a BJJ blackbelt with a 30 lb weight advantage, with side control or mount on a guy thats a fish out of water on the ground like Kimbo…..IM PUTTING ON A SHOW!!! See what aoki does when he gets an inferior grappler on the ground? He puts on a Focking SHOW!!!!

There’s absolutely no doubt that Dana will give Kimbo a fellow no ground game brawler at the finale regardless of whether he fight’s again on the show.Bank on it.

Book him with that shivers guy. Can’t remember his name, the guy who was gassed 45 seconds into the second fight of the season. That could be a slugfest.

Jay: I wouldnt complain about that match up!

John, Nelson has never been a flashy fighter like Aoki so I wasn’t expecting him to attempt submissions that risked losing a dominant position. They both have contrasting styles that work well for them. Roy doesn’t have the body to attempt flashy submissions like gogoplatas and that has never been his style. This fight was a part of a tournament where you have to fight 3 times in 12 weeks and you get replaced if you’re injured, no need to risk losing or injury when you can win easily by fighting smart.

Rockwell’s the King of Neg tones he always writes crap like this

Rockwell is a tool, but your joke was weak.

most of the stuff i write is about fights, but that was too easy.

I don’t know if it was the worst fight ever. So far I have it as a 3-way tie for the first 3 fights of this season.

I agree with naturalshadow. all three fights so far were HORRIBLE this season. The last fight was, in my opinion, worse than this one.

Standing hunched over, hands on your knees and NOT getting Knocked the F*ck out is unacceptable. BOTH fighters were doing it. At one point, the guy even rested on top of the cage, leaning on it like it was break time – yet it was DURING the fight.

Worst fights ever in TUF history. Hopefully the fights get better.

Agreed Greestar and naturalshadow.

I didn’t say it was pretty. What do you think would’ve happened if it wasn’t stopped? My guess would be that Roy would’ve improved his position and finished Kimbo. He was working a submission before he went to the love taps and probably would’ve tried it again.

We’ll never know, will we?

The UFC even set up Roy as a guy who just does enough, since they played that clip about him saying that you could just tap someone and they’d have to stop it. I think that’s bull. Someone can lay in a guy’s guard and tap him on the shoulder all day, should they stop it?

I don’t think they should have stood them up, but they should have made Nelson finish it.

That being said, Kimbo looked terrible on the ground, lying flat on his back and not planting his feet. I made those mistakes my first few weeks in BJJ and got corrected and never made them again. Not sure why Kimbo can’t learn, maybe he panics and goes blank when he’s put on the ground. He needs to train with Chuck Liddell and learn the art of getting up when taken down.

When he goes to train with Chuck should he just wear his normal shoes or should he bring his tap shoes just in case? Chuck can’t train anybody anything.

…and that’s why Kimbo lost…because he ISN’T a mixed martial artist.

Roy DID show some skill. I’m not saying it was pretty but he did exactly what he said he was going to do. He took the fight to the ground and won. He knew damn well it wasn’t in his best interest to trade blows with Kimbo.

I do not think that Kimbo is a great martial artist. I have been watching for years and I know better then that. Hell I am not even a big fan I just wanted to see him win. Roy did not do anything to prove to me he is better. All he did was climb on top of Kimbo and smother him. And then bragged to the world how good he was. That is not MMA to me either.

Best hands in MMA? Based on what? Sure, he can throw some good punches, but there are plenty of fighters w/better hands than Kimbo.

Whoa, best hands in mma is a HUGE stretch. He couldn’t even KO James Thompson. Hell, he didn’t even KO “Afro Puff”. Let’s at least keep the conversation in reality.

best hands in mma? lol you are retarded!

you guys, in the context of what he was saying it was obviously a typo. sheesh; think before you flame.

Perhaps you could enlighten all of us as to the “context” you’re referring to.

That is the way to have my back

That whole thing wasnot celebrating over the win. That was personally towards Dana. When the IFL closed Dana said he had no interest of big country because he looked more like a big slob than a fighter. He wss like haha i may be fat but I beat your money maker. Big Country always rubs his belly and ask for food after a win.

Well for having someone on top of you that weighs 40 pounds or more than you do, and you can almost bridge them off, i find it impressive.
Neither of us seen enough of his ground game to make an accurate opinion of his ground game, so just bashing him, and saying he “was a turtle” is ignorant,and stupid.
I’m excited to see what all he’s able to do against someone closer to his weight.

Jay, you are s2pid, I commented on Ahizzy’s post and not bomber’s. So you my friend are a complete failure of a poster…;)

this site used to be ufcmania.com!

He’s already beaten Mir in a BJJ match so he has the better BJJ skills and Mir doesn’t do well when a bigger opponent is on top pounding on him, Frank’s striking isn’t that good either and he doesn’t have one punch KO power or great TDD so I like Nelson’s chances in that fight. Kongo has a ground game as bad as Kimbo’s so unless he could catch Roy with a big strike before the fight goes to the ground, he would lose in the same way as Kimbo. However any other top 10 UFC HW would beat him as would Fedor, Overreem, Grim and Werdum as well as AA who already beat him albeit with the assist of a dodgy stand-up (if a fighter has a dominant position like side control then the fight should never be stood up).

ty David, you saved me the trouble!

i wouldn’t say he has better bjj skills than mir… mir was winning before he gassed in their match, like he always did back then. I would like to see them fight in the ufc

He had Kimbo totally immobilized and defenseless…what would have been the point of busting him up. Roy had the fight won, why punish a guy who can’t defend himself and take a chance on damaging the “new face of the UFC”. Nelson is no fool, he knows Dana is gonna be paying his bills and Dana’s wallet gets fatter if Kimbo is intact and able to participate in the rest of the season. Nelson proved his point and those baby taps did more damage than real punches because they were insulting to Kimbo, just like when Randy spanked Tito. Why are you guys so bloodthirsty!

Until he is beaten Fedor is still considered top hw in mma

matt is this your list or something you found? You have to take Barnett off(juicer), Overoids(obvious), Mir(soon to be exposed as a fluke), then you might have a list.

Lol UFC hype machine has shonuff fooled i guess. A win over AA is worth more in my book than a win over Gonzaga, other than that they have similar records. Couture has lost 2 straight. Lol gotta love that marketing.

Arlovski may be a better overall fighter than Gonzaga…maybe. But he also has a notoriously weak chin. KO’ing Gonzaga is harder than KOing AA, but you’re right, their records are similar except that Carwin’s last 3 wins are in the UFC and Rogers still hasn’t fought in the major league.

Couture’s 2 losses are against guys at the top of that list, guys he was expected to lose against. How does that put him beneath guys like Rogers and Carwin who are effectively 1-0 against ranked fighters???