MMA Quick Quote: Jay Hieron wants the Strikeforce belt -- is Nick Diaz ready to step up?

Heheh, Good one, JRE!

because at strikeforce your somebody, but you won’t beat diaz
if you got back into the ufc you would be an undercard in an ultimate fight night card
your just a gsp highlight

It’s funny that people only care about a piece of leather strap instead of the actual title World Champ. If he truly wanted to be a world champ he would have gone to the UFC and tried dying. Instead he chose world champ of san jose. I still think he UD’s diaz though.

really, nnr?

i agree with what u said about him not wanting to fight ufc.

but c’mon~ nick will handle jay.. if diaz doesn’t finish him by the thrid i would be shocked!~

nick via 2nd round tko.

Nick can’t wrestle worth a sh!t. His high volume based boxing only overwhelms single shot hitters which Jay isn’t. Jay is much more athletic and more importantly faster than him with more power. May not be as technical a striker as KJ, but he won’t stand in front of him waiting to land one massive shot. Anyone with good defensive wrestling, good cardio and high speed combos is quick sand for diaz. Otherwise he could go with a gnp strategy which wouldn’t be hard so long as he can stop the subs. Riskier but no chance of getting worn out by Nick’s high workrate.

fair enough.. good break down..

i still think diaz will out strike him.. nicks boxing is on another level..

i don’t think this fights going to the ground..

It looks very cool from the top, but trust me, the white fence is MUCH harder to see through. The reflected light makes it much more difficult for your eyes to see whats happening on the other side. With black fence your brain automatically focuses the eyes beyond the fence to the light on the other side. If you’ve ever tried to take photos through a fence or screen you know what I’m talking about. It’ll be much harder for ringside fans and camera-men to see what’s going on in that cage.

shonuff~

truth!~

so besically he he didtnt sign with the ufc becouse strikeforce was the easiest way to get a world title too bad that not a real world tittle thats pretty weak!!! he basically knows he will never get close to the gold in the ufc so he settles for strikeforce, thats like wanting to win a game of basketball but you play 10 year olds to make sure you win.

That’s hilarious. Seriously, DMX?

i’ll watch it!~

wow, Jesse not reporting something to laugh at…what a day, what a day!
I can’t believe no one has touched on that Heiron got the same offer from UFC, but “wanted to become a champ” so came to strikeforce… what does that say for strikeforce?

there not at the same level of talent? i thought everyone knew that. its a good idea for him to go that route.

Jesse, if you don’t report on things like this I’m going to lose my mind up in here, up in here.

it was a little more geared towards intro… I was going to add the boxing fight this weekend (Klitchko), what a bore, and they had the mayweather fight before that, another bore! Can a boxing enthusiast explain to me why Areolla wasn’t allowed to finish that fight? He was getting dominated yes, but he was fine! fucking gay!

lol, pw!~

for a corny joke, it had me laughing for a minute..

That’s two ethnic jokes in one day! Somebody get a Rampage thread up.

Kevin, the world title comment made me laugh, pretty small time looking to win a belt in a lesser organisation especially one that doesn’t even exist yet. Saying that Diaz-Hieron would be a cracking fight, though Nick has to be the favourite as long as he trains right and doesn’t do any more stupid shit.

As for the boxing I actually enjoyed the Money fight, PBF looked superb and you wouldn’t think that he had had a long layoff and been wasting his time on WWE. As much as I dislike him he is clearly a draw and a world class fighter. Hopefully he fights the Pacman-Cotto winner, the Moseley thing at the end seemed like a publicity stunt and an excuse to put on a lesser fight.

Vitali didn’t even get televised over here, which shows how piss poor the HW division in boxing is, it’s easily the weakest division in both boxing and MMA at this point. Areolla shouldn’t have been in the same ring as Vitali, he’s a fatty who hasn’t beaten anyone decent. I didn’t see the fight but if you’re as far behind as Areolla and have taken a beating in the last round then there’s not that much point continuing, although quitting on the corner is the worst way to lose a fight. Either Klitschko-Haye would have been much better fights but the protracted negotiations and cancelled fights show the problems with boxing as both sides are being too greedy and now it looks like 2 big fights have been lost. Valuev-Haye will be just as bad as this last HW fight and there’s no way I’m paying to see it, when we get much better fights like PBF-JMM and Pacman-Cotto as well as all UFC cards for free over here.

i agree JR!! frosnt… so you mean to say to be a the WCF lightweight champion is as good as being the UFC lightweight champion?? to be a champion in the ufc mean you are the best because that is where the best competes!! and yea some fighters fight just for money but there are guys like gsp anderson silva and machida who just really want to be the best… and guys like gegard masousi who wants to come into the ufc only to be ufc champion cause he knows to be ufc champ means you are the best cause thats where the best fight… in the ufc

My point is that the title of UFC champion doesn’t really mean anything to me. A fight’s a fight and just because a certain fight has a title and a belt attached to it shouldn’t convince a reasonable person that the winner is the world’s best.

What I look at are the records of the fighters as well as their perfomances within those fights. BJ, GSP, AS, machida have proven they are the best in their division not because they wear a belt but because they have beaten many many quality opponents in dominant fashion. However, a champion like Rashad as I mentioned before was never #1 in my eyes because, even though he was the champion, his record and his performances were not as impressive to me as someone’s like Machida.

yea i see your point!! but thats why there are title fights.. kenny florian was on a tear and beat top of the chain lightweights.. until he ran into BJ and BJ killed him… and when anderson silva and machida first got in the ufc we they werent even top 10 in their divisions.. machida barely startd looking dominant after his win over thiago silva.. i mean he almost got tappd out by tito ortiz and so did anderson silva by a gassd travis lutter… but i can see the argument your making.. take carlos condit for example! champion in WEC he looked dominating in his title fights as WEC champ.. but as soon as he gets to the UFC split decision lost to Kampman and a split decision win over an unknown!! so to be a champion in the best orginization in the world that holds the best fighters has to mean something! and your right with rashad evans! thats why they say you have to successfully defend your title before your considered a true champion.. Machida hasnt defended his title yet so lets not call him dominate just because Joe Rogan said its the beginning of an era!

Talking about champions from other organizations wasn’t my point at all. I never said that I thought other orgs belts to be equal to the UFC belt (though I do find them equally meaningless!). The fact that Condit held the WEC belt wasn’t meaningful to me or the people who ranked him in the lower top 10.

I don’t think I’ve said anything controversial or that you can even disagree with. The belts are only meaningful insofar as they tend to reflect the accomplishments of the fighters. I would almost always rank the UFC champ as #1 in their division, however if another fighter has displayed more merit (albeit without equal fanfare) I have no qualms about ranking him above the UFC champ. We have already implicitly acknowledged this by ranking Fedor ahead of Brock, because his accomplishments exceed Brock’s despite the fact that Brock is UFC champion. All I’m saying is being the UFC champion is not a hard and fast rule that says “you’re the best in the world.”

no nothing controversial… just good clean debate due to difference in opinions..

- with the whole Fedor/Brock thing your bringing up though… thats why it was such a big deal that Fedor gets in the UFC and why alot of fans got mad that he ended up signing with Strikeforce and not the UFC… because people want to consider him the best HW but its tricky to do so because alot of the best HW’s are in the UFC… thats why fans are so anxious to see a Fedor vs Brock fight!!

brocks is what? i already said with the exception to brocks title

I would say being the UFC Lightweight Champion still doesn’t mean much, since most rankings have 5-8 of the top 10 lightweights fighting outside the UFC. Same was true for the Heavyweight division till PRIDE and AFFLICTION went belly-up.

No, JR, my comment was in reply to frosnt’s opening line about Brock.

my mistake