UFC Quick Quote: Shane Carwin is a tough wrestler with a 1-0 record

at least 300?

i think its more like 180ish~

Brock weighing 180 would be even less healthy than weighing 300.

Maybe 280-285, not 300. He’s weighed that for almost all his fights so far.

Shane cuts from 290 to 256-260. That’s the weight he said he prefers to fight at coz he’s more fleet. He won’t gain the water weight back. Regardless Weigh is irrelevant here. No one is gonna wear down the other. Either both will gas in the later rounds or they won’t. Wrestling won’t matter either except for clinch work against the cage – we won’t see a Couture-Van Arsale type of wrestling bout. Someone is napping though and so far Carwin has more way more serious heat in his hands.

thats what im thinking NNR. i think size and wrestling might nullify each other here and carwin is a more dangerous puncher so far from what ive seen. i got carwin KO round 1 maybe 2.

Nearly every pick I make goes the other way, so I hope that will still happen here when I say Brock by TKO.

For those who think Barney is a better striker than Brock . . . who has Brock hit that hasn’t fallen down? Brock’s stand-up is hardly the most technically precise in the UFC, but it is undeniably effective and accurate.

There are a lot of things going on hear that will nullify each other. With that said the things each has on the other are just as important. Brock is much more explosive and athletic, he just is. I would agree that Shane has shown heavier hands (but let’s get real here, if either lands cleanly its goodnight for the other). I am just assuming (making an ass of you and me i know) but Shane is the smarter tactician of the two. So it is very interesting. Brock is probably going to be stronger as well as faster and bigger but Brock is like a linebacker with a lot of skill but doesn’t think to much and goes on instinct. Yeah he hasn’t been the wild guy who first fought Mir but I don’t see much strategy when he fights at a slowed pace either, rather just instinct and dominance. Shane is like that Linebacker who isn’t as athletic but has great field awareness and understands the other teams play calling tendencies. Again the last part is just my assumption on the fact Brock is a self proclaimed meat head while Shane has in the least a Master’s degree in Engineering.

Brock is not book smart but when it comes to competing at MMA the sport he loves Brock I believe is very smart like the linebacker Mac in the movie the program dumb as hell at school but at football he’s a genius. With only a hand few of fights under his belt his progression in the octagon is amazing and I think we will see a much better MMA fighter against Carwin. Carwin has one of the best MMA trainers as does Brock so I’m thinking this fight will come down to determination and physical ability wich I believe Brock has hands down but you can never count a man out that has the KO power of Carwin especially against a fighter that has been suspect in his stand up defence and offence like Brock but I’m sure Brock will be much improved in that aspect as it should be one of the main areas he is training on especially for this upcoming match on the ground Carwin might put up a fight but Brock will wear him down and end Carwins night. Can’t wait to see this fight with out a doubt the to best fighters over 250lbs!

Very hard fight to predict. Like Brock said, Carwin has really only been tested 1 time..so it doesnt give me much to work with when trying to predict the outcome of this fight!

I do expect this to be a striking match u p. Wrestling will be nullified. Its going to be a lot of striking and clinch game!

Yeah it’s hard to say but I think Brock will get Carwin down even though he won’t have the size advantage he has had he will show who the better wrestler is and have Carwin on the ground were he might not be able to man handle Carwin like he did Mir but he will wear him down and eventually have Carwin to fatigued to defend himself. If your right john I think we will be looking at new champion based on the fact Carwin has KO out every opponent he has struck with a clean shot and regardless how bad there skills were the effects of Carwin strike will be the same on any HW.

I don’t know about 300, but I do know (depending on how much water weight is cut) that it is possible to put on at least 25 pounds in 24 hours. Guy that owns the gym I go to did after his last photo shoot for Muscle and Fitness magazine. But it also weakened the hell out of him.

Posing for photos and fighting are totally different, I think if anyone is cutting 25 pounds in a day they aren’t going to be up moving.

Not cutting 25 pounds. It is possible to put that much weight back on. In response to people who believe that Brock might put back 35 pounds in a day.

We’re on the same page chefdaddy. I don’t think Brock weighs 300 ever does he? That would be a miserable cut no matter how much time he had to do it.

I do not like Brock at all, but I can not believe people are actually doubting Brock’s wrestling pedigree. Most people wouldn’t doubt Fitch or Koscheck’s ability to take a fighter down who is a step below them in the wrestling game. Div I over and over Trumps Div. II wrestling. That is why you know the div. I schools and have never heard of a div II school unless you went to one or lived near one. Brock was 106-5 as a wrestler in College & 33-0 as a senior in HS. Does anyone realize how ridiculous that is? Wrestling like bjj is human chess. To say Brock is not tactful is selling him short. Yeah brute strength and power help, but he has been in cage with the big names already. Carwin just Gonzaga,who had him down and out. He got caught with the big punch. Maybe Carwin will land the big shot, but Lesnar has an equallly as powerful shot. The big shot is Carwins only chance. He will be outworked against the cage, in the clinch, on the takesdowns, and on the ground. I like Brock by Bruce Lee style stomp to the chest!

Note to all mmamania retards,size plays a big deal if the guy that has the size is the stronger individual.Brocks just hands down stronger than Carwin whether he had a 10 pound advantage or disadvantage.His physical strength is unanimous and whats ur taught how to use that strength in physical combat and u become a division national champion in wrestling.Unless u have a similar background pedigree to this guy,ur gonna have a big azz problem on ur hands.A big azz Brock problem.Bet dat.

These guys haven’t wrestled in 10 years, neither of them could of gotten worse or better than the other one? Do you choose all the faves from what these people did a decade ago? I guess Chuck Liddell is still the best striker in the UFC too?

Come fight night, Carwin will be about 270-272, Brock will be at about 280. I think Brock is a little nervous about this one. Does Carwin have what it takes? I don’t know, but I hope they stay standing long enough to truely see what kind of chin Brock has.

If it stays upright, I’ll take Carwin. If it goes to the ground, I think brock will be able to control from the top a la Herring fight.

OK obviously 300 is absurd but even 280 seems amazing to me. How in the hell is it possible to gain 15-20 pounds overnight?

How much “water weight” do fighters normally lose and how much of cutting weight is just diet and exercise? I wonder because you hear about ppl like Alves who supposedly walk around at like 200 and fight at welterweight and I’m about 200 myself and it seems utterly impossible for me to get down to 170.

Your very wrong friend. Are you really trying to tell me Brock will weigh 8 pounds more than Carwin.

yoububg, why is that hard to believe? frosnt, it all depends on the fighter, a lot of guys like to start the cut 2 months before a fight so they don’t have to suffer for the last week. Some guys have no problems with cutting 25 pounds in a week leading up to the fight. Everyone is different.

I’m not a Lesnar fan, but I completely agree with his assessment of Carwin’s record. Carwin is an exciting prospect, but he was in my opinion rushed into this title shot one fight too soon. Carwin would have greatly benefitted by co-headlining as origonally planned vs Cain, to gain needed experience in a high profile fight. Lesnar has shown surprising savvy and poise so far, and his experience already headlining PPV’s will be an enormous advantage in this fight.

He signed a title fight against Brock Lesnar. You don’t think he got at least a leave of absence for his training camp? Even if he doesn’t have the money now, he’ll get it from the fight and from sponsorships. I guarantee he’s training full time for this one. And if the Carwin we saw in the past trained only part time, its kinda scary to think what a fully trained Carwin will do.

Occasional full time training camps vs donig nothing but training day and night like Brock has been doing the last 2 years. You can’t make up that kind of endurance and cardio in a 3 month camp. Brock willcwin the cardio aspect of this fight hands down…

He was caught in the first Mir fight? I don’t remember Mur throwing a punch in that fight at all. And the giant dude he fought before the UFC didn’t connect once. So almost half of his fights he has been hit once each, and that means he is about to get knocked out?

Oh ya, he wasnt caught in the first fight, he just lost via knee bar.

Point is he is still raw and careless. Just by his comments above it is obvious he is underestimating him.

Wait and see my friend

jay, mir blasted brocks dome with a knee in their second fight..

 brock even admitted that he saw “tweety birds” and had to take a couple seconds to recover.

Agreed Stink. I was referring to the first meeting between the two. The guy said Brock gets caught in every fight. He has been caught twice, once by Randy and once by Mir in the second fight.

And Barney Carwin got his faced smashed in by Gabe ‘One-Hit Wonder’ Gonzaga. The point is that both guys recovered and won their fights. Barney has alreadytrash-talked Brock and thrown the WWE thing in his face, which history says will result in a severe beating and post-fight taunting for Barney. Brock by round 2 decimation.

my bad, jay!~

i don’t know how i missed that.. u clearly said 1st fight.

I remember when Brock kissed Kurt Angle. That was so hot… PW, you gunna get in on some of that action?

PW. You a Brock fan? I thought you hated him. Brock is gonna smash Carwin!

Actually now that I think about it PW you are the driver of the war wagon aren’t you? I think you were the one behind him from the very beginning.

pw has been riding the brockness~cockness for a long time..

he’s definitely driving the wagon..

I thought so. Thanks Stink. Always thought PW was a little smarter than most.

Fear not, Jay, I am smarter than most. And yes, Brock is not the same type of fighter whose wagons I typically jump on. My reasoning is this: I have been following Brock since his WWE days. You just don’t see guys with that combination of size, power, speed, agility and athleticism. I can understand why some people don’t care for his personality or think he didn’t deserve his title shot. But he has mopped the floor with some very talented fighters, guys who are a hell of a lot better and more accomplshed than Barney. Brock is a one-of-a-kind athlete, and if people put their blind hatred aside and just watch him perform, they can’t help but be impressed by what he can do. And he’s only scratched the surface so far.

PW. I haven’t seen a wrastlin’ match since The Rock quit. I was a massive fan as a child, than the love was rekindled by Rock and Stone Cold. I missed Brocks career, but I knew of him, from my oldest boy. I know there is a lot of hate for him, but I have been behind him 100% since I heard he was going to take the sport up. The guy is a beast and I love watching him fight.

WWE has really gone downhill since the days of Rock and Stone Cold. They have John Cena trying to fill the old Stone Cold role of the blue-collar bad guy that everyone loves, but he just can’t carry Austin’s water. The guy is terrible. He’s been wrestling for 6 or 7 years and still only has about 4 moves and no mic skills. I grew up on the legendary Von Erich-Freebird feud here in Dallas.

That’s nothing P-Dub, i was brought up here in England on the legendary Big Daddy vs Giant Haystacks feud. Now that was wrestling!!! ;-)

Cena should have stuck to his rapping, “edgy” street guy persona from the mean streets in MA. He was funny and somewhat original.

He was at his best then. WWE is garbage now.

The ORIGINAL 4 Horseman versus everybody else.

Pure gold.

PW you still watch? I think the biggest reason I tuned out is real fighting is on tv now.lol. If I had the time to watch both I could probably still do it. It is hard though to watch that stuff after seeing MMA.

I stopped watching regularly many years ago. I watch sporadically nowadays, seems like their target demographic’s kids now as opposed to the 18 to 25 attitude era audience when I was a frequent watcher.

I catch it every now and again, but I don’t have cable so I couldn’t see it all the time even if i wanted to.

I used to be a big wrestling fan but have pretty much stopped watching since it’s become a kids show. I was always a fan of Stone Cold and also liked other charismatic wrestlers like The Undertaker, The Rock, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, Edge and Christian, even lesser names like Road Dogg and the Godfather were entertaining. I also appreciated the more realistic wrestlers like Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Kurt Angle (before he became a drug addict and stalker), Chris Benoit (before he was a murderer) and Eddie Guerrero. Nowadays the whole show is built around a chav pretending to be in the US army because that was his role in an awful film, 2 old men pointing at their dicks, a roided up chairman in his 60s pulling his pants down and having grown men kiss his arse and a leprachan. Needless to say wrestling is unwatchable these days and I’ve grown out of it, now I’m into real fighting in particular MMA and boxing.

As for the World of Sport era of British wrestling the less said the better. Some of the guys were talented but when the whole show is built around to fat old men running into each other for 10 minutes it becomes unwatchable. No wonder the only people who went were a bunch of old ladies. I still cringe when anyone mentions Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks.

Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura’s commentary with Gorilla Monsoon, was as entertaining if not more so than a lot of the matches. Wrestling wasn’t quite the same without the quick fire wit and one liners those guys used to come out with. They were hilarious.

Jimmy’s gonna get you, Lawblah.

Truth.

Sorry OJR, couldn’t resist.

Ok I don’t think you can “rip off” a phrase it’s not like you invented this saying.

frosnt-

Relax, I was joking about the irony of a copycat ripping on another copycat.

Thank you for confirming the obvious.

;)

Barney Carwin has been coined, seconded and used pretty frequently.

Who has Brock disrespected? Well, there was Herring and Mir, but they both shit-talked him for months leading up to the beatdowns they received from Brock. As has Barney Carwin. And the wonderful ‘fans’ who booed him? BFD. Oh goodness gracious, we came here to see guys get their faces smashed, knocked unconscious and limbs broken, but we can’t handle it when some big meanie shows us his fingers.

Lol P-Dub.

PW, you should take some of your “MMA Logic” and apply it to your own posts then. Obviously you can’t handle it when Carwin “shit talks”… so STFU

Wow, someone got his feelings hurt just from having one of his posts dismantled. Please expound, citing specific examples, of how I “can’t handle it” when Barney talks trash.

I was surprised at the uproar after UFC 100. I was watching the event with some friends, and a couple of us were laughing really hard when Brock went off on his post-fight antics. It was really funny. I have it recorded, and I’ve laughed every time I’ve watched it. The only “mistake” may have been dissing Bud Light, but then again they received a little boost in exposure in a flip-the-script kind of way. Brock was just very funny that night. Starting with yelling, “Who is the f-ing man?!” as he got up after the ref waved him off.

Carwin seems like a nice guy, but he’s characterizing things along good vs. evil lines, which is a little silly. The UFC will play this angle up, because it’s a great way to sell PPVs, and more power to them.

Most on this site were mad because Brock made these so called hardcore MMA fans look foolish and to avoid there stupidity being pointed out they used Brocks antics as a shield to avoid there pre fight predictions and foolish remarks against Brock.

Now those predictions of Brock’s demise have turned mostly into hoping for Brock’s demise.

Don’t worry PW if Brock does lose, there will be thousands of I TOLD YOU SO’s from everyone. There will be a lot of people who say they never wavered from their belief that Brock is a talentless clown who is bad for the sport.

True that jay and if he wins they will say Carwin was overrated no matter what they will never give Brock the respect he deserves there will always be an excuse eventually I see them crying about the size advantage as a last resort.

Who knows what his true motives are for bashing Brock, envy, hype or to squeeze his way into a title fight after fighting only one legit opponent, who knows? But you have to admit it was fortuitous for him to suddenly have beef with a guy he never mentioned before seeing the numbers Brock pulls in on PPVs. I thought he was a nice guy before all this stuff. And some people get angry at Brock for his WWE antics, calling out someone for no reason to create fake hype ala Rampage and Rashad smells like WWE to me.

There weren’t any clear contenders, anyway. It makes sense to put Carwin up against Brock at this juncture. Beating Gonzaga was an important win for him. It’s like Thiago Silva’s recent win over Keith Jardine. It’s one of those pivotal wins that moves a guy up into the upper ranks for real. As “stacked” as the UFC heavyweight division is, there are very few contenders at this moment. Carwin has some momentum coming off his Gonzaga win (more than Cain’s win over Kongo, even though that was a great win), and his complaints about Lesnar iced the cake, I think. It’s a great match. It’s a great test for Lesnar, too. Now we get to see what Lesnar can do against a guy who is just as big as he is. I predict Carwin will be taken down and kept down with relative ease, but Lesnar really does need to worry about getting knocked out. Carwin may be strong, but he’ll be pushed hard for up to five rounds. I very seriously doubt he’ll have as big of a gas tank as Lesnar.

Lesnar by war of attrition.

No, Jesus (Hay-SOOS) is Spanish for Jesse.

You probably pick up a lot of spanish living in Texas huh?

Just in my office alone. I never took Spanish in school, but if I was stranded in Mexico I could get around.

I don’t speak any, but just in case, how do you say “which way to the donkey show” Just in case I get stuck there?lol.