Mayweather still 'Money' as Sept. 19 boxing PPV draws one million buys
by Jesse Holland on Sep 25, 2009 12:53 PM EDT
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Floyd Mayweather is still 'Money.'
Love him or hate him, the piston-mouthed pugilist puts asses in the seats -- to the tune of 1,000,000 pay-per-view buys for his Sept. 19 unanimous decision win over Mexican fightmonger Juan Manuel Marquez.
There was a much ballyhooed brouhaha between Mayweather and UFC President Dana White, who claimed that "boxing was trying to sell a fight that nobody cared about" and that "nobody gave a shit about what's-his-name."
Apparently there are over a million people who would disagree with him.
While the theater showings for the boxing event are still being tabulated, it's safe to say that if this was a head-to-head battle against mixed martial arts for the attention of fight fans, UFC 103 didn't even make it out of the first round.
Still, there are a couple of important points. First and foremost, boxing fans might be calling this a "victory," but I'm not convinced that Mayweather stole much -- if any -- of the audience for "Franklin vs. Belfort."
From the disastrous results of recent hybrid Boxing/MMA fight cards, I feel comfortable saying that most fight fans like one form of combat sports better than the other. In short, I don't know how many fans had to "choose" between which event they would watch last Saturday night.
UFC fans probably watched "Franklin vs. Belfort" while Boxing fans watched "Mayweather vs. Marquez." Fans of both likely veered in either direction on a comparable scale.
I would also bet that the causal UFC viewer and post-TUF fanboy is probably unfamiliar with Vitor Belfort, and the only time they saw Mirko "Cro Cop" was when he was getting stomped by Gabe Gonzaga and Cheick Kongo, or poking out the eyes of Mustapha Al-Turk.
And despite his appeal, Rich Franklin isn't exactly the sport's biggest draw.
Would the addition of Brock Lesnar, Georges St. Pierre or Anderson Silva have improved the UFC buyrate? Probably. But again, I doubt it would have made a dent in the Mayweather drawing power.
Because the UFC does not release their PPV buys, a true numbers-to-numbers comparison is not possible, but I don't think anyone from Zuffa would claim it came anywhere near 1,000,000.
While several of its divisions are on life support, Boxing is proving that it still isn't dead. If by chance it is, Floyd Mayweather has an uncanny knack of bringing it back to life.
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Let’s face it. We all grew up with boxing. So of course the fans of boxing out number mma. but this will change as mma is now what the kids are growing up to. a friend of mine has an 11 year old son who can name UFC fighters left and right off the top of his head and strikeforce but couldn’t tell you three different boxers names. So give it time guys the mma revolution has begun!!
by getrawbc on Sep 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
let’s face it. if the ufc had lesnar and tito on the card they wen’t “head to head” with floyd, the ufc would have walk away with more ppv sales.
im sure it was still close for the ufc, and they didn’t put up a stacked card, with lots of star power.. it was an average line-up with no title fight..
id like to see boxing go head to head with mma during one of their high profile cards..
boxing has very few stars these days..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares what sport is the most popular either you like are you don’t I’m sure the UFC will match around there average for 103 with no mainstream names in North America yet anyway on the card. Floyd is one of the biggest names in boxing almost any boxing fan will watch as well as the casual boxing fan. The UFC will probally have less PPV buys but if you are a boxing and MMA fan hardcore or casual you probally picked boxing because of the big name unless you were a bigger fan of one of the fighters on the uFC card. Good for boxing with the UFC putting on such high quality cards I hope boxing picks up their quality and I might start watching again there is room for both boxing and MMA in my opinion.
by Puck Head on Sep 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
so they beat out the ufc for 1 month – boo.. lets see them put on a card that will bring out the same numbers the ufc does every month.
mayweather can’t fight every month
by Mikeybear on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason Mayweather gets those #‘s is because he only fights once a year…if he fought every month they wouldn’t do as well
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
so are boxing people gonna brag because their biggest draw outdid ppv sales versus a second-rate card with ex-champs fighting on it. its apples and oranges. lets see how many people pay for a roy jones or a de la hoya card versus one with gsp/a.silva/or a lesnar fight on it.
by Egads on Sep 25, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares? As long as mma continues to grow, what does it even matter what boxing does? Just another silly debate that has gone on for years! I for one, am sick of it!
by john G on Sep 25, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are all these buys coming from? Is this North American buys only? Do people in the Phillipines or Mexico have to pay for these fights? I would think that is where these numbers must be coming from.
by jay on Sep 25, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s simple guys… if boxing has 2 big PPV fights a year put them up against all the MMA PPV’s in the same year year, see who generates the most revenue…
by DAVE A on Sep 25, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Good for boxing I could care less what sport makes the most money all I know is I love the uFC and most other MMA action. Boxing does not have enough quality fights for my liking I watch time to time and feel bored and usually never finish a card but every once in a blue moon there are some good even fights but usually the star power is low and there are not a lot of peaple talking about it. There is no reason why there can`t be boxing and MMA my opinion is the UFC is the better sport of the two and has the best evenly matched fights.
by Beaver on Sep 25, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone answered your question Sac – Around 450K.
by NameNotRequired on Sep 26, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i cant even tell you 3 different boxers names, boxing is so boring i dont quite ever understand how it got so big… but id guess in the mike tyson days when he was knocking everyone out, that had to be pretty exciting, but gayweather and his “fight not to lose” strategy is really kill the sport for me at least
by brendan on Sep 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I watch both sports, but not really that much boxing these days. Your comment about not understanding how boxing ever got so big and not knowing more than 3 boxers names shows you really do have no clue about boxing and really shouldn’t claim that it is boing if you have no knowledege of the boxers or the sport, and could care less for even trying to look for any decent boxing matches for downloading on the net. That is your choice, but you say boxing is boring like you have watched numerous matches when you really haven’t at all. If you watched boxing when Hearns, Hagler, Leanord, Duran,Chavez (to name but a few) were around you wouldn’t comment about not knowing how it got so big. Try checking out some of Ring Magazines fight of the Year matches, or just do some research on matches recommended by fans, you will be pleasantly surprised. I like both sports as I said, but I really do get annoyed when the same MMA fans who call a 3 round stand up war in the octogan amazing and exciting, call boxing boring without even bothering to check out some of the amazing 12 round wars or equally exciting boxing matches that are out there, if you just bother looking for them.
by Ade on Sep 25, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
When i was young, i followed boxing a lot, as it was the main combat sport out there. I loved all forms of fighting but we were limited to watch we would get. Ive read books going back to John sullivan and his 100 round+ fights, Rocky Marciano, Louis, Ali, etc etc. Mike Tyson burst on the scene and i could name the top 10 HW boxers with ease.
Now, besides the Klitchkos, i have no idea who boxes anymore.
What this comes down to….is i was one of the last generation to be really fascinated by boxing. I am 36 now, and once Lennox Lewis “retired”, I lost interest and started watching anything dealing with martial arts, kickboxing, etc. I saw the first UFC and was hooked from there,….it was something i have always wanted to see.
Boxing is an older mans sport, MMA is for the new blood. I was caught in the middle and my choice is mma. Most kids growing up in this day and age, i can almost guarentee you that their interest will slide over to mma as well over boxing.
by Big D on Sep 25, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
@Ade – I shared the exact same opinion as brendan couple of years ago; and due to the continued discussion MMA/Boxing – i decided to give boxing a chance
Advice to brendan – “Don’t bother”
It truly is that boring as you think it is – I even watch ‘em hybrid events on PPV – MMA fights were only time I was not bored out of my mind, even the Roy Jones Jr’s TKO victory was a ho-hum.
You might see one KO out of 10 fights – but I would not bet on seeing a stoppage in Pacquiao/Mayweather fight.
And there’s the thing were they say “Don’t let it go to judges scorecards” – but most boxing matched do & more often than not someone gets screwed.
As you see – I am biased towards seeing fights finished, decision in most cases is kind of like neither fighter doing enough to really win – and in MMA there are simply more ways to win – and more fights to see. I would take UFC 103 over any boxing card anytime
by Prince of eStonia on Sep 25, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing is getting boring. Besides Pacquaio, and a couple other Mexican guys, nobody is exciting enuff to care anymore. The big names in boxing are old men now, and fight for the easy money and some limelight. Mayweather is bad for boxing because he too boring, although highly skilled. Anderson Silva, obviously a big name in MMA, but has to step up now to promote MMA bigtimes. He was boring vs. the Brazilian guy in Montreal, terrible show there. And Liddell got knocked the F*** out on same card. The MMA guys have to risk to face each other to beat boxing numbers. Silva vs. ST. Pirre, Lesnar vs. Kimbo, etc..
by The forgotten Warriorz on Sep 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I do admit that it is a lot more boring now than it used to be, that it why I do not watch it as much anymore, but some people are commenting like boxing has always been boring, and that is far from the truth. There are a lot exciting fights out there to to watch to show that boxing wasn’t as boring as people are making out. The Micky Ward /Artur Gatty trilogy of fights is legendary, they are a must see for anyone who has ever thought boxing has always been boring. There are also many others that will have you on the edge of your seat, such as Taylor / Chavez 1 or Nigel Benn and Tommy Hearns v Iran Barkley. Nigel Benn V Gerald Mc Clellan was one of the most brutal wars I have seen in boxing, with tragic consequences. These and many others, are fights that show how great boxing used to be, and that it has not always been the boring sport some think it is. Unfortunately it does appear we will not be seeing those days again in the immediate future.
by Ade on Sep 27, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather has made it a point to do some serious advertising for himself since he “retired.”
WWE appearances, MTV crap, commercials and the like.
That brand awareness and the fact that a large segment of the Mexican combat sport fans are enamored with future HOF’er JMM.
They tuned in to see Mayweather beat down.
Believe me, most hard core boxing fans hate this guy and that’s why he draws. He has a very business savvy marketing team around him.
This is a temporary win for boxing. The next big PPV is Cotto/Pacman. After that, only the hard core boxing fans will care about any future PPV’s (besides the winner vs. Mayweather).
The UFC will consistently beat boxing in most head to head PPV buys.
However, boxing will not die. It will just stay quiet for awhile for the casual fan.
by OJR on Sep 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i went to a bar to watch the ufc, and the first 2 bars that usually have the ufc did not have it they had the mayweather fight.
by roy on Sep 25, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
good points, ojr!~
and, roy~ i agree, most bars chose boxing..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
OJR, you are spot on! I bought the card knowing Marquez didnt stand much of a chance. But my mexican-ness (lol) took over and still wanted to see it. Sh*t, probably 800K of those buys were the Mexican fans hoping to see an upset!
by JV on Sep 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather has been so busy he hasn’t had time to pay his taxes.
by PW on Sep 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I like both sports. In my opinion you you cant compare these. Dana has tried to compare but really you cant. Not even in ppv buys. If a mma fight sales a million ppv buys and a boxing ppv sales 300,000 then that is about a tie. You are buying mma for the number of quality fights on the card(5). You are buying a boxing card for the one fight. If the ufc or any mma event only had a main event fight and just a few no names fighting. It would never reach 500k buys. If boxing put 3 undercard matches that consisted of well named fighters who were good and then a main event. It would do 5 million buys.
I will give the ufc one thing. They are getting more and more like boxing in one aspect. They are putting more and more meaningless ppv’s together. Most UFC card are down to just two relavent fights a ppv now. It use to be that all UFC ppv fight were relavent.
by lance2576 on Sep 25, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Lance2576,,, analogy, doesn’t really compute… MMA/UFC has the talent pool to put great undercard fights with named fighters for cheap, whereas boxing doesn’t seem to have that. More $$ is spent on Mayweather’s purse than the total UFC fighters on an entire card, so consider that expense. Anyway, to get back on track here, Dana makes sense, fans BUY MMA PPV’s every month. Boxing doesn’t have the ability to successfully do that. It’s all about the fans and what Sport they’re paying to watch, boxing or MMA.. that’s the comparison… potential future boxing fans are disappearing because the future is MMA.
by DAVE A on Sep 25, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome points by OJR. Love him or hate him, as long as you do one of the two you’ll probably want to see him fight.
by Adam T. on Sep 25, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Like a lot of boxing fans and most people here I can’t stand the guy. However, I would never (ever) by a boxing ppv because I am a huge DW nuthugger. In DW I trust.
by Adam T. on Sep 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if the ufc will consistently beat boxing ppvs but I’m not worried about that at all, it probably shouldn’t beat out boxing for one simple reason. There are far more quality UFC ppvs than boxing. There are PPV for the ufc every month…this is like the third big fight I have hear about since december. So in almost a full year there has been pac vs. de lahoya, pac vs hatton and now this one. Those are the only really buzzworthy ones I have heard about. In the same time span, how many buzzworthy ufc ppvs have their been? A lot more. Of course one single ppv for a big boxing event will beat a big mma card, there is only a few chances a year to buy one.
by ffffff on Sep 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Good points. Not to mention, the boxing undercards are generally no namers who nobody watches for the most part. You are very right, the UFC puts on quality events once and sometimes twice a month. It’s hard to compare because not everyone can afford to buy the UFC fights each month (although they may want them), but a casual boxing fan will buy that once every 6 mos fight at $60. In comparison, I just cannot justify my $50 going to a boxing match with one decent fight, whereas I can spend the same amount of money and see almost always 5 great fights that (generally) end without controversy. If the UFC continues the prelim fights for free on spike, that’s worth my money. I got sick of boxing due to the complete mess of judging and decisions. It was one after the other of questionable decisions all biases towards the promoters boxer. Boxing just got too fixed in my opinion.
by slim473 on Sep 25, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I grew up a boxing fan (now UFC fan) and I elected to watch the Mayweather/Marquez fight. I’m hispanic, so to me and the rest of the mexican audience it was “supposed” to be a megafight. Clearly I was disappointed, but there’s only about 1 or 2 megafights in boxing a year. And that’s it! Boxing was going downhill at around the same time De La Hoya decided to stop boxing and instead “dance with the stars”. The only stars left in boxing are Pac and Mayweather, which explains why there are only 1 or 2 megafights a year. After these two fighters retire, boxing is also done.
by MikeD on Sep 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing is alive and well haters….read it and weep.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
Introvert – do you know of any good boxing blog sites? GO JOIN THAT ONE!
by haglnuts on Sep 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No…I think I’ll stay here thanks.
You know any Dana White nuthugging blogs?…go to that one.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That was original introvert, kill yourself.
by thetuf75 on Sep 25, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Awwww….did someone get their feelings hurt on the internet? lmao.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, his handle says it all, anything not in the UFC is unimportant to that guy
by brendan on Sep 25, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
inty~ boxing is alive and well? hahah lol~
boxing might be alive[barely] but it’s definitely not ‘doing well’..
they need at least 5 top cards a year to be doing well..
whens the next big boxing fight?
and when will be the next good one after that?
i could tell u in a years advance the next 10 big ufc/mma shows..
justadmit it, boxing is about to be dead..
the only fight i care to see is pac/floyd~ thats it! and that fight probabaly won’t happen.
i am faaaaar from a boxing ‘hater’, i loved boxing! it’s just not the same anymore & is surely on it’s way out.
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, stink…you’re focused too much on what you consider “big fights”. Boxing as a whole is not just the fights that you consider “big”. The revenue from smaller shows is what makes it thrive.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well, i do have to agree..
boxing will never be 100% dead. its just not going to be on ppv, and there won’t be a big following like it used to or how other sports will..
in this thread im compairing boxing to mma, and imo- there will be no compairing the two sports after 2010.
main stream boxing will die.. mma will grow.
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with stink. I think that the biggest indicator of the state of Boxing worldwide is can anyone name a fighter under the age of 25??
All of the Stars have been around for years and have built their reputation and fanbase over this time. Mayweather, Hopkins, Hatton, Paquaio (sp), Cotto, Mosley etc all won’t be around in 5 years time. Who will be selling the PPV’s?
Boxing will have a few last harrahh’s over the next 5 years such as the Pac vs Mayweather fight but in terms of a lasting success, no way.
Plus, boxing clubs at grass routes are struggling for numbers due to the emerging mma fans/clubs that want to give it a try.
I love boxing, always have and always will but it has a bleak future.
by Nick J on Sep 25, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know why everyone thinks they have to pick one or the other. I am a huge fan of both boxing and mma, they’re great in their own way and showcase different skill sets.
by ja434650 on Sep 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 here as well, but i can’t sit here and say i am looking forward to the next boxing event..
lets face it!~ boxing has very few fights that attract my attention these days.. not enough star power anymore..
i still love boxing, and always will, but i can’t lie and say i think it will be around forever.. it’s almost dead!
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
no it’s not introvert. Have you seen any other ppv numbers for boxing? No, you kow why, they have 2, maybe 3 guys that get ppv buys.
UFC does decent numbers on their weakest overseas card!
boxing sells ppv’s when Mayweather, Pacquio and De la hoya fight!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The amount of boxing PPV’s that are regularly on tv don’t get credit on pro-MMA/anti-boxing websites like this one, and since you hate boxing so much I’m sure that you don’t check out other boxing related sites to actually look at the numbers, do you?
Well….show me the numbers that you speak of.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a boxing guy, I do watch though… it was a question intro, how does boxing do compared to UFC on a regular basis?
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t even bother Kev, Intro throws the grenade and runs.
Big deal boxing did 1 million buys. Good for them. To me that’s kind of disappointing for a sport that’s been around what? 100 years??
MMA is new in sport terms, yet they can rival a seasoned sports such as boxing on a MONTHLY basis in a few short years. Oh yeah, they’re doing just fine.
by UFC Champ on Sep 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“on a regular basis” are the key words here intro…I’m a big boxing fan too but realistically boxing is lucky to have 2-3 big fights a year…not cards, FIGHTS…how can you compare that to the UFC and MMA in general which has 15-20 great cards a year…not fights, CARDS…quick math will show thats over 100 great MMA fight a year AT LEAST!!! Boxing will be fine but to say its “alive and well” is an exageration
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
mc~art! couldn’t agree more, bro!~
well put..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
People arent buying to see Maywweather fight, their buying to see him lose! Ofcourse boxing is still alive, but its on life support. The reason for that is that everybody (myself included) wants to see Pac/Floyd. But Mayweather is content fighting smaller fighters that fight to his strenghts! Thats why when Mosley called him out after the fight, or when asked about the Pac-Man he changes the subject. IMO the reason boxing is “dying” is cause there will be no new superstars in the future. Can you name me one?
by JV on Sep 25, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“IMO the reason boxing is "dying" is cause there will be no new superstars in the future. Can you name me one?”
Just like every other sport that has ever existed…the future superstars will be stars when they beat the current superstars. When did this concept change for sports?…..Never!!!
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I get what your saying Intro, but thats not the only thing wrong with boxing.
Examples: Delahoya/Vargas, Oscar only accepted the fight if they wore 10oz gloves instead of the 8oz “punchers glove” Oscar also wore his gear covering half his stomach. “Fixed fights”, we all know they have done it, Oscar/Hopkins comes to mind! Promoters trying to give every advantage to their fighter, and thats why big fights get stalled. Listen to what Paulie Malignaggi (youtube it) said after the Diaz fight, and that will tell you alot about what goes on in boxing!
by JV on Sep 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
JV,
Anyone can find something wrong with any sport that they hate. There is problems with MMA every day too, but MMA fans only consider these problems a big deal when it happens to boxing, because it’s convenient and backs up their “boxing sucks” argument. I sit on the fence between both soprts and they equally have the same problems.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Intro, “MMA fans” trust me, Im not just an MMA fan! I grew up watch/practicing boxing. Im a huge fan of both. But this yr will only have 1 true super fight Pac/Cotto and thats because they both fight for Arum (Top Rank) If one of the fighters was with Golden Boy or King or even Debella, this fight would take place. I would say boxing has 85% bull compared to MMA/UFC’s Thats a big difference, and thats what has boxing on life support.
by JV on Sep 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you’re blaming the up-and-comers Intro. Good grief, stop it already, you sound silly.
by UFC Champ on Sep 25, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem with boxing is that there isn’t depth in the marketing or talent pool…they have relied on a handful of guys for the last 10 years. There is little to no competition as the weight classes and challengers are thin at best. They’re pay structure is also a huge mess to say the least.
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
inty .vs. jv
i got jv’s back on this one!
all inty can do is call us ‘boxing haters’, and thats no argument to make.
i love boxing!~ i grew up watching boxing as well..
the fact is boxing is really dying because of business..
cross-promo, money problems, to many orgs, lack of star power all have there issues with boxing.. thats what imo- is killing boxing.
im one of the peeps that don’t think mma is what killed boxing!~ it’s just the final blow to all the bad business aspects of boxing that set it back in the first place..
like it or not, but if boxing had one top org like all other sports have, they probably would be around more.. not to mention all the sick fights we would have seen, that never happend cause money or cross promo probs..
they way boxing is ran is what killed it..
heck, look at what their doing now? going head to head with a sport that doesn’t even want beef[mma].. always suck terrible business decisions made in boxing.
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
great point stink!…MMA (UFC) doesn’t need to compete, hack on, or slander boxing as they’re too busy counting they’re money
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell yea Stink! All great points. And another thing that I cant stand is 4 f*cking belts in like 50 different weight classes! WTF? You never know who is the legit champ unless they unify, and thats only if its good for his promoter (which it rarely is)
by JV on Sep 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
alot of the ufc’s success comes from following what boxing did..
they also were smart enough to not do the things that hurt boxing[cross-promo]..
mma didn’t get big until after 2002!~ i am not a ‘dana nuthugger’ but i have to admit that he helped build mma to what is is today!~ and he did it by using boxings blueprints..
he saw what we all saw in the late 90’s.. he saw boxing dying off.. he also saw a potential sport going big, in mma..
he chose to leave boxing and build mma.. mma was nothing before the fertittas bought ufc!~ he changed the rule and regulations dramasticly..
what do all the top national sports have in common?
basketball, baseball, football, hockey? they all have a top platform with much need minor leauges to build the up and comers!~ nba,mlb,nfl and nhl..
boxing never had this!~
my main point is, boxing wont last becasue it got soo screwed up ‘business wise’ that it probably won’t ever be able to rebuild.
i say boxing is dead, not cause im a ufc nuthugger, but because it’s fact. tell me what boxing did better than mma from 2000-2010.. now watch boxing cease to exist from 2010-2020 while mma grows bigger the u could imagine.. possibly even be up with nba,nhl,mlb and nfl..
like i said, i love boxing.. for me to say it’s alive and well, would make me look dumb..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking for a new rising star in boxing? Keep your eye on Andre Ward. He is undefeated as a pro (and as an AM too I believe). He is also a former Gold medal winner in Athens. This guy is for real. Fights Mikel Kessler in November.
I’m very much looking forward to Pac-Man vs. Cotto. I think Manny will win. I forget what date it is on and to be honest, if it falls on 11/14 or 11/21. I will be watching the UFC instead.
I am a fan of Boxing, MMA and most other combat sports as well. But looking at the big picture, MMA and namely, the UFC is where it is at. Attending or watching a UFC event live is more exciting to me than ANY other sporting event outside of the Superbowl. Cheers!!!
by Davey D on Sep 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m an andre ward fan, but I don’t think he’ll win this tournament which will make his stock go down!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, pac man will win and floyd will duck him!!!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you pickin’ Pacman to lose OJR!?!?! Me thinks no
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he will. Cotto will break his body down with the left-right combos. If you have ever seen Cotto box, you know that this is no gimme for Pac!
by OJR on Sep 25, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
OJR, and thats what makes this fight so f*cking bad@ss! Cotto with his relentless-ness and Pac with his explosive-ness. 2 “true” fighters going at it. I know you got to back the boricua, but I think Pac-Man will win this fight.
by JV on Sep 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree its no gimme..but I see Pac winning. Hopefully anyways so that there’s a better chance of Pac/Mayweather
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Pacman-Cotto is on the same night as UFC 105, but because that show is in Manchester they won’t be on at the same time like UFC 103/PBF-JMM. I’m planning on watching the Pacman fight when I get back from the MEN, as like the Mayweather fight we are getting that for free (the only PPVs on Box Office are big fights involving British boxers like Hatton, Haye and Khan). Should be a cracking night of fights, though I’ll have to rush back to Newcastle on the Sunday as I have a lecture on Monday morning.
Hopefully the Pacman-Cotto winner will face Money and the loser will face Moseley, then the winners of those two fights can face each other to determine the top p4p fighter in boxing. That would give boxing fans 3 sick fights and along with the Super 6 tournament and Haye-Klitschko Bros (if he beats Valuev) it shows that the sport is far from dead.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m an MMA fan through and through but I like to watch big fights and boxing is clearly still providing them. The sport is still doing well, with big draws like Pacman and Money, just as MMA is getting huge numbers when the likes of Lesnar, GSP and BJ fight, both sports are losing top stars (RJJ and ODLH in boxing, Chuck and Rampage in MMA) but are replacing them with new stars. They both have controversial fighters bringing in the money (PBF and Lesnar) and they have national heroes with great talent getting huge numbers as well (GSP and Pacman).
All these numbers show is that boxing put on a bigger fight than the UFC did, as Mayweather and Marquez are both big names and the old argument that Money can’t draw on his own is clearly a load of rubbish. However the UFC got the sort of numbers you’d expect for a card lacking big draws and title fights, as well as coming off the back off 3 supershows in 100, 101 and 102. Judging either sport on these numbers would be like comparing the Haye-Valuev buyrate to UFC 100 or the Pacman-Cotto numbers to UFC 105, it’s not fair on either sport and doesn’t reflect the popularity of the sports as it doesn’t compare the top stars in either sport.
I say good luck to boxing, I was watching UFC 103 and Money-Marquez simultaneously, flicking through the channels and ended up seeing 5 awesome MMA fights as well as a great main event to a boxing card, which displayed arguably the best p4p boxer at this point and one of the best of all time as well as a funny confrontation between PBF and SSM that looked like a carbon copy off Rampage-Rashad at UFC 96. Hopefully both sports continue to put on big fights and give the public what they want. Both suffer from greedy fighters and dodgy decisions but equally they both put on great shows with genuine warriors and true role models who compete to be the best. As long as I get to see exciting fights on free TV then I’m happy.
by David W-S on Sep 25, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like I won’t be watching Cotto vs. Manny after all. At least live…I also think Cotto could end up winning via KO but Manny is freakin’ fast man. IDK?
About boxing, if a fighter loses one or more fight. Does it seems like they fall off the face of the Earth? It does to me, like…a guy is 34-2-1. He loses a fight or two more and he’s done.
But a guy in MMA could have say…a record of 25-10 (6-4 UFC) and the guy remains relevant as long as he puts on a good show.
Have you ever noticed this before? Either way, these are the kind of sport’s where the talent gets better every single day and sometimes it passes you by in an instant. Which is why people like Randy Couture are amazing.
by Davey D on Sep 25, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
im not really interested in seeing this fight to be honest..
i will watch it for the up-set factor and just watching pacman is worth tuning in..
i do give cotto a chance, just not a very big one..
explosive-ness doesn’t do justice!~ pacman is just straight nasty!~
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotto picked apart Sugar Shane Mosley! Beat him convincingly!
Sugar is fast and bigger than Pac.
LOL.
You guys are going with the popular pick.
That’s cool, though!
I know better! :)
by OJR on Sep 25, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
naah, im just a huge pacman fan.. and dont really see anybody giving him problems..
i do say cotto has a better chance than floyd!~ imo- prety boy would get clowned by pac..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 25, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i think your in the wrong place this is a place to chat about the latest mma fights so go sell crazy some place else we are all stcked up here already
by samirpamba on Sep 26, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it proves boxing isn’t dead. It is on life support at the very least. They have what 2-3 big ppvs a year? Once Mayweather, Pacquiao and Mosley retire, who is left?
by thetuf75 on Sep 25, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions
once gsp lesnar anderson and Penn retire who is left? there is always young stars pushing through same for both sports. Boxing is alive. And MMA is still rising great time to be a fight fan.
by matthew on Sep 25, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
There are so many fighters in MMA that the fans are getting to know, Duffee, Jon Jones, Rumble Johnson…..The UFC continues to introduce new fighters. Boxing does not do this at all.
by thetuf75 on Sep 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
How would you know, you don’t watch boxing I thought?
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
JON JONES!!!
As stated before, the average person can name 4 to 5 MMA fighters. The average person can name 2 boxers. Period. And, the bigger problem with boxing is that the boxers fight for paydays, not for the sport or the idea of being the best in the world (kind of like Fedor). In other words, they don’t fight dangerous up and commers. They fight other boxers that people know about, who are usually on the back end of their career. This doesn’t allow similar ‘rising stars’ like Shane Carwin in boxing to prosper. Because, not as many people would be interested in Mayweather fighting a no name fighter so it doesn’t bring in the money, and its a more dangerous fight to take. NAP!
by sigpesal on Sep 25, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh contraire Introvert- I was a die hard boxing fan for many years and actually love the actual sport. Promoters are crap, fighters are money hungry and don’t give a crap about the sport
by thetuf75 on Sep 25, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys were saying the same thing years ago about De La Hoya, Roy Jones Jr., Hopkins, etc… Aren’t you tired of making the same incorrect predictions over and over yet?
When God closes a door he opens a window…every time a big name fighter retires, it’s usually on the heels of getting beaten by someone with a lesser name…then as EVERY combat sport does, that lesser name becomes a big name, and so on and so forth.
I’m a fan of both sports, and I’m glad boxing is still pulling in good numbers despite whatever pro-UFC/anti-boxing propaganda Mr. White likes to spew.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yo Mania, thought this jokers posts were being moderated… machines broke, someone needs to fix this thing.
by O damn he got caught on Sep 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
why o damn, I like that they’ve been letting comments go through. You guys amaze me, complain when you’re getting moderated and then complain when they’re not moderating????
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing is just like the WWF, made-up. I saw the fight, yes he won by decision, a cream would have been a clear knockout, did not happen. Floyd Mayweather maybe the best boxer of all time to beat up on washed up fighters. So Floyd Mayweather, did not make the weight for the fight, so he heavier than the weight class that he is fighting in, and his opponent was older, shorter and weigh less. Are we impressed that he won, what a charade. Had we seen him come back and defeat Pacman, Cotto, Mosley or Margarito, then maybe he would deserve our attention, till then, snore, snore. Now we find out that this piece of work owes our government millions of dollars. Why should we believe this guy? I guess the rumors are true that he did everything to avoid fighting Antonio Margarito, before his unexpected first retirement, chicken.
by Paul on Sep 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
Who cares, it’s mmamania, not boxinmania!
For those who think the A-Team movie is a good choice for rampage, he was reportedly going to make 3 million minimum to fight Rashad, thats part of the reason he’s pissed. He told Dana in confidence that he wasn’t making a million for the movie, but was promised 15-20 million for a sequel if this one does well. Before you guys jump on that, name me 2 TV remakes that have been good and on top of that good enough to have sequels!
Second, the quote that I saw saying that the UFC “shoulda pushed back the memphis fight a few months” just shows how dumb Rampage really is. The UFC can push back fights a few weeks or months, but not venues. Venues are planned months (almost a year) in advance. Dana just said in an interview that 2010 schedule is almost done. They have to lock in a date early, think about it, NBA, wwe, concerts, disney on ice etc all have to vie for the same venues!
Bottom line is this, Rampage is a moron and I really hope the UFC turns their back on him when he comes crawling back!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you Kevin for pointing out the revenue issues and how situations likes these isn’t a walk in the park. Rampage still thinks like a 12 year old child.
by Crackbaby on Sep 25, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
no problem man, I really just find it amazing that so many guys think like Rampage. They think the UFC knocks on the door at the arena the night before and says, “hey we are here, get it ready for us.”
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin, thats good stuff! Ive been trying to stay away from the Page threads. I really cant stand him, so my posts would have been all “hate” And we all know how john would have gotten.
by JV on Sep 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve really spoken limitedly on the subject too. guys like Roberto (no offense buddy) are blindly defending him with no clue on how business (or loyalty) works. John has been surprisingly neutral on the subject and I respect him a lot more for it!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhhh RoB…haha. You gotta love the guy. He loses Tito but gains Page. Now he loses Page but gets Tito back.
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea Kevin, johns comments were ok, but if I would have posted he would have gotten crazy. For some reason my posts seem to set him off. And when I respond, he gets all offended. Kinda reminds me of Page.
by JV on Sep 25, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the money has anything to do with anything. It was the fact that Rampage told Dana about the sequel (in confidence) and Dana couldn’t help but yap about it to the media, which in turn pissed Rampage off. I’m sure the producers of the movie were really impressed with Rampage.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re being sarcastic about the producers right intro? My guess is they got him for half a million, the promise of the sequel is verbal and they already had a few “big names” so they got him on the cheap. In reality, they could have type cast this part for any black man outta any neighborhood in america, add that to the fact they didn’t have to pay shit, and yes, they were “impressed” with Rampage.
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My intention with that statement was to point out the fallout that Rampage probably had with the movie producers after Dana spewed the sequel talk on the radio. I didn’t mean to say that they were impressed with his acting lol…my bad.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew what you meant, just wanted to be sure. Thats why he’s so pissed and looks so bad!
a. he stabbed his “employer” in the back
b. He tells him about things he shouldn’t
c. he can’t keep his mouth shut
d. he’s just dumb
… I’d say the producers are really impressed with him! lol I mean it the same way you do intro!!!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure if I’m a fan of Page’s or not anymore but Kev’s points are hard to argue against…Dana could have gone about things differently but I tend to side with Dana here without doubts
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks buddy. This isn’t the only time that I feel there is only one side to agree with, I can’t believe there are people that agree with Rampage. To those people, I really wish you’d go tell your boss that you won’t make it to work for a week (even if you have no sick or vacation time) and that he should understand and reschedule you! Or go out on a “rampage” and hit 5 or 6 cars and see if your boss bails you out.
I’d bet 99.99% of you would be fired!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Great points Kevin, you’re one of the few people that I agree with on the subject. Honestly all of those Rampage threads were driving me mad as his fans defended the indefensible. Between that and BJ-Diego refusing to fight in Manchester (both bashing the fans in the process) I’ve been pretty depressed with MMA recently. Hopefully there will be some good news soon.
by David W-S on Sep 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
UPDATE******
Rampage already has said (through an agent or manager) that he’ll fight Rashad, but only for a “shit load” of money… Like 3 million guaranteed isn’t, Dana had the best response.
“Good luck with your movie career, see you in a year when you’re broke.”
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Classic! But i guarantee you it’s true, the part about Rapmage being broke in a year!!!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
“I’m sure the producers of the movie were really impressed with Rampage.”
Lol.
by Crackbaby on Sep 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
off the top of my head the simpsons movie and sex and the city did well….rampage should have done those movies
by ffffff on Sep 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, sex and the city is a good example, but my guess is millions on yentas aren’t going to go see A-Team… brady bunch is another. You see what I’m getting at right.
Without being to rude or racist, the producers basically told the big dumb black guy that he’s going to be a start and he believed it!
on a side note, Dana came out and said that he won’t pay Rampage to fight Rashad the first time but will give him 20 million for a rematch… I laughed!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew it Dana ran his mouth and people wanted to see floyd with a loss. Floyd fans are mainly comprise of his haters, but they pay. This keeps us in perspective that mma is still growing not to compete with boxing. They are 2 different things. I personally watched the boxing match. This card was crap on ufc.
by mayhemike on Sep 25, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
What do you know? introvert has a buddy today.
by Adam T. on Sep 25, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched Mayweather too Intro and enjoyed it…but lets call a spade a spade. Boxing is far from “alive and well”
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I love boxing and I practice it as a part of my workouts.
I watch FNF on ESPN.
It is not doing well in comparison to MMA.
by OJR on Sep 25, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam T I have no idea why you hate boxing so much, I think haters are worse than nut riders. They are 2 COMPLETELY different sports one is a science one is an art. I enjoy both but boxing is my first love mma is a very young sport boxing is the oldest in the world. It is not a comparison. What you really should be concerned about is the big picture. Bruce Lee started mma all kinds of karate an jiu jitsu places opened then died, then karate kid came out and everyone enrolled their kids in another stream of karate and judo places. Now we have cage fighting…lets see how long it will last. Again I am a fan of both, but my concern would be what do “I” need to do as a mma lover (not boxing hater) to create awareness of the sport. People like Dana White are a cancer to his sport. (Big Picture)As much good he has done for mma he also destroys it. To sit and hate on Affliction and Strikeforce and Kimbo hurts himself. A hater does nothing but hate. Dana is a hater and this creates negativity in the ENTIRE sport. It isn’t UFC it is MMA. Trust me mma will be around longer than ufc. Love your sport tell people about it. Don’t love an organization unless they have you on payroll. My father hates mma so everytime I get a chance I explain jiu jitsu and judo and wrestling. i sit and watch it with him. People close doors when their emotions get the best of them. So quite hating and show your love to your sport instead of tearing down this other sport that you have no control over.
by mayhemike on Sep 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha martial arts are thousands of years old…older than written word that is why the developed katas and forms. Boxing started in China and got big in the US when more rules were added in the late 1800’s. MMA only got big in the 1990’s but karate matches and jiu jitsu have been going in Japan and around the world for thousands of years. MMA is far more of a science than boxing.
Boxing is like two football teams agreeing before they play to only run the ball and only to the right side. Sure there are still a lot of running plays you can do but it is limited compared to a football game that lets you pass the ball as well. In MMA you can box, wrestle, kickbox, karate, jiu jitsu, all of it….requires wayyyyy more training ie skill to master all of that.
by hatteras on Sep 25, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
In ancient Rome, there were two forms of boxing both coming from Etruscan boxing. The athletic form of boxing remained popular throughout the Roman world. The other form of boxing was gladiatorial. Fighters were usually criminals and slaves who hoped to become champions and gain their freedom; however, free men, women, and even aristocrats also fought. Gladiators wore lead “cestae” over their knuckles and heavy leather straps on their forearms to protect against blows. The deeply scarred and cauliflower eared figure of the Boxer of Quirinal show what a brutal sport it could be (matches often ending in the death or maiming of an opponent).
by mayhemike on Sep 25, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a boxing fan and I hate Mayweather. He is a cocky a**hole and has a boring style. Rather than fighting Pacman, Cotto, Mosley, or Margarito, he fights JMM, Hatton, and DLH… If he would quit ducking manny, he would get his head knocked off his shoulders.
by Bill Maher on Sep 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Every bar I know that usually shows boxing and UFC showed UFC that night. I hang around a lot of fighters and boxers yet nobody really cared about that fight. I’m surprised it did so well.
by My wife can't wrestle but you should see her box on Sep 25, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
Of course people wanted to see this fight, Mayweather seemed to have a great chance of blowing that perfect record of his, to a great fighter who unfortunately was coming in on a weight he’s never fought at before. But what does Mayweather do before the fight? He trades some chump change to the committee(or whoever), to get another weight advantage. I’m glad I’m not part of those happy one million buyers :D
by Crackbaby on Sep 25, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
Mayweather draws. We already knew that. I don’t know why, great athlete, but boring as sh*t to watch. But his record speaks for itself and he creates controversy. I just wonder how many more times boxing fans will pay to watch him dance around an overmatched opponent for 12 rounds without trying to finish.
Besides, how do the non-Mayweather ppv’s do? That’s the real indicator of the health of boxing.
by MongoMan on Sep 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
Mayweather only started drawing after he started his “bad boy” persona. Shit-talking sells, who knew? He’s been a great fighter a lot longer than he’s been a well-known one.
by Pat on Sep 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope this situation has helped him grow-up somewhat and realized that as adults there are consequences for our actions. Whether its paying your taxes or making the weight to fulfill a signed contract. Lets hope.
by Paul on Sep 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
You have to be some crack to think that. And I don’t even think that.
by Crackbaby on Sep 25, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That had to be one of the worst UFC events… So bad comparison.
Imagine if the UFC only held a few matches a year.
by TheSensFan on Sep 25, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions
I was amped for this event, but $45 bucks for PPV’s that happen every 3 weeks or so now, stretch out the pockets in the tough times. Also, no title fights with it being a catch weight and 2 free cards that produced 8 fights in 3 hours(compare that to Strikeforce and their 3 hour events when you get to see 4 fights and they all stop in the 1st round, scheduled for 5 rounds total). What were the numbers for the undercard fights that had no one in comparison to Floyd Mayweather in it, but produce some great action, that didn’t disappoint?
by Crackbaby on Sep 25, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Crackbaby: Blogs are about opinions, yours do not have to match mine, live the dream. You are funny, you made me laugh.
by Paul on Sep 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
Dana was probably responsible for 100,000 of the boxing PPV buys by making part of the UFC press conference all about the boxing event….lmao.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
Dana could cure aids and intro would still complain about him. Dana probably stiffed him when he tried to get his autograph and got him all pissy.
by mma guru on Sep 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d give him props if he cured aids…but he didn’t.
Chances are he’d only give the vaccine to UFC fighters though.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
WWWOOOOHOOOO BOxing is not dead u turds. the most skilled of the fighting sports will live on … for all u mma turds watch paul williams fight and u tell me if anyone in mma has a quarter of those boxing skills.. boxing greater skill wise than mma
by zack on Sep 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
you sound like Stan’s sister from South Park, you should reword “turd”
by Crackbaby on Sep 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah sure zack. Being adept at one fighting skill is much more impressive than being adept at everything. Any top ranked boxer gets killed in a fight with a similar sized top ranked mma fighter. They can use all the boxing to fight that they want. Isn’t that fair zack? Oh wait a minute. But we can’t kick, knee, elbow, clinch, takedown or submit. You’re right they are more skilled. What the hell was I thinking?
by Adam T. on Sep 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would an MMA fighter want to do any of those other “skills” if he were fighting a boxer? Are MMA guys scared to throw down?
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No. What I’m saying is that it is much more impressive to be able to fight in all the disciplines which is obviously what an mma fighter has to do. Don’t say that Mayweather (or any other boxer) is a better fighter. Say that they are a better boxer. That’s fine. The real fighters (who do it all) are in mma.
by Adam T. on Sep 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
“The real fighters (who do it all) are in mma”
No…real fighters don’t end there fights with kimura’s and guilotines…they end them with curb stomps, knees to the nuts, and fingers into the eye sockets.
MMA fighters are no more “real fighters” than anyone else. The closest televised sport that compares to real fighting, but real fighters….no.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would a mixed martial artist using a mixed range of skills against a boxer make him scared? Of course boxers have better boxing, that is the art that they dedicate their lives to. In MMA you have to learn a wide range of skills, so unless you’re a superathlete like GSP, Andy or Fedor you can’t be great at everything, even those 3 would get smashed if they tried to outbox a world class boxer. Nothing cowardly about sticking to your strengths, trying to outbox a boxer would make you an idiot.
I’ve agreed with most of your points on this thread Intro as the bashing of boxing and PBF is childish. I don’t like Money either but he’s a world class fighter coming off a huge and entertaining win who drew a million buys, despite being bashed by MMA fans and promoters (Dana) as a boring boxer who runs around and can’t draw. However, boxing and MMA are 2 different sports that involve different skills, one of the arts in MMA is boxing but because they have so much more to train in and defend against in the sport their boxing is not going to compare to that of someone who only trains and fights in boxing, so to try and beat a boxer at boxing is not cowardly just stupid. Would you call Vitali Klitschko cowardly if he tried to beat Fedor at boxing instead of sambo?
by David W-S on Sep 25, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
True Intro, neither sport resembles streetfighting which is a great thing in my view, as great as watching a fight is there has to be rules in order for it to be a fair athletic competition where the best can thrive at their best possible size. However I don’t see the comparison between boxers and mixed martial artists, both would win easily at their own sports (unless the MMAst is Tim Sylvia and tries to outbox a boxer), neither show that they are scared by playing to their strengths just smart.
by David W-S on Sep 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
zack said “boxing geater skill wise than mma”. MMA encompasses everything. Who has more fighting skills? Why would most pro boxers never agree to fight a professional mma fighter in mma? Because they don’t know any strikes other than with their hands and they don’t have wrestling or submission skills. So I ask, which fighters have more skills?
by Adam T. on Sep 25, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam,
Better boxing skills – boxers
Better Muay Thai skills – K-1/MT fighters
Better BJJ – ADCC competitors
Better wrestling – Collegiate wrestlers
Better MMA – MMA fighters
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
hey is this suprising ?? Dana white actually stated at the after fight press conference that during the UFC show i guesss he bought the Mayweather fight…i mean if dana had to watch it ya know many people watched it!
I did too but for free as well as the ufc vitor thing all for free at ninjavideo net
by iamdanawhite on Sep 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Look ima ufc guy, but to be honest it was always gony lose out to mayweather with this card. IMO it was a weak card with a fragile main event and the comeback of possibly the best boxer of all time was always gony win….dont get me wrong the mayweather fight was a borefest but the ufc put a card on that was never gony win this!!
INTROVERT why do you spend your time on an mma forum if your true sport is boxing, all i ever hear from you is negative shit about dana, mma and the ufc…..GO AWAY!!
I for one enjoy both sports and can respect both for what they are and the guys that make the sports what they are!!
by mo on Sep 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Only negative stuff I say is after Dana makes an ass of himself…why does that bother you so much?
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Question for you Mo…
If we were both huge fans of MLB and we were on a baseball website, and I said something negative about Bud Selig, would you get so pissed of that you would tell me to “GO AWAY”?
This is the funniest thing about you Dana ‘huggers…the UFC is the only company on the planet where the same people who fork over their hard earned money to the owners of the company are willing to throw themselves in front of a moving train in order to have the right to keep giving the owners of the company more money…..it’s so laughable.
My point is that you guys should keep loving the sport (like I do), but kissing Dana’s ass is NOT A PREREQUISITE FOR LOVING MMA!!!!! No more than kissing Bud Selig’s ass would be a prerequisite for loving baseball. Get it yet?
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
good point intro. I do agree with you on more points than most, but I’m not one of your proverbial “sheep.”
A better example is Roger Goodell and his treatment of Mike Vick (who killed dogs) and Dante Stallworth (who killed a person), or any other decision he’s made! You have the people that stand behind him and agree and those who think he’s too harsh. the only difference is they come off better than you! Dana could give a whole events revenue to a children’s charity, and you’d some how come up with a reason it’s bad! Your reputation of bashing Dana precedes you on any topic about Dana!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Only time a bash him is when he does something stupid. Not my fault he does this on more days than not.
And besides, Dana didn’t donate an events worth of revenue to children, so you’re exaggerating with absolutely no basis to your point.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
of course he didn’t, I said he could and you’d hate him. you commenting on Dana is like me commenting on women’s mma, it makes no sense because I’ll never be a fan!
by kevin on Sep 25, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d give props if Dana did that….but props for what he did for the kids…not for anything else.
Why would I give him a pass for all the other idiotic sh!t that comes out of his mouth because he gave kids some money?
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
hey is this suprising ?? Dana white actually stated at the after fight press conference that during the UFC show i guesss he bought the Mayweather fight…i mean if dana had to watch it ya know many people watched it!
I did too but for free as well as the ufc vitor thing all for free
by iamdanawhite on Sep 25, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
does any body care tha cro cop lost except for me!!!!!???
by jet85 on Sep 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
I do….it sucks, but time to pass the torch.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
its long past that time…that fight was painful to watch…
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Dos santos will be making alot of hws look like that in the future, I’m actually impressed cro cop wasn’t ko’d in the first.
by mma guru on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
probably cause all he was doing was pushing Santos off of him…the left high kick became too famous as its not something that can be “snuck into” a fight…too easily telegraphed
by McArthur on Sep 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
havent a clue who selig is but i get your point!!
My point is not that you have to be a dana nut hugger for i am certainly not, however i can appreciate what he has done for the sport intro, you clearly cannot because your personal feelings towards dana are clouding your judgement!!
Please stop trying to sound intelligent because you just sound silly!!
Your only argument is dana nuthuggers bla bla bla bla bla, get a new line, some of us can appreciate why the sports is where it is, if you cant then stop trying to change everyone elses mind because of your shallow views!!
by mo on Sep 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
First off…Bud Selig is the commish of MLB.
Secondly,…as a business man I appreciate what Dana has done for the UFC…not the sport. Name one time Dana has said anything positive about “the sport” that would shed a positive light on any promotion other than his. That’s not personal…it’s just an obvious observation from a bystander.
Third…I wasn’t trying to sound intelligent. I’ll take that as a compliment…thank you.
Fourth…I appreciate the sport for what it is…a great sport…so is baseball. What does that have to do with my like ar dislike Dana or Bud Selig? Nothing…they could both be ballboys or aerobics instructors for all I care.
by introvert on Sep 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Introvert – you’re a troll. End of story.
Threads like this one or basically any subject where the consensus agrees 99% one way – you go the other direction. You say you appreciate what Dana has done for the UFC – but not the sport. Troll, the UFC IS the sport! (And no I’m not a DW hugger as your lame-ass rebuttle will be)
I don’t give a rat’s arse that there are thousands of small-time promotions out there that make up ‘the sport’. That’s great, but all they are are feeding grounds for the UFC. Yes, they make up ‘the sport’… but ask most if not all MMA fighters (not named fedor) in these no-name promotions where they would like to fight…the answer is obvious.
Your tired comments are just like saying Bud Selig has done a great job to build the MLB – but not for the sport of baseball. So we should now hate Bud Selig? How dare he try to outdo all those minor leagues…LOL.
Go away TROLL.
by MMAFanatic on Sep 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fanatic. I thought that post was the greatest, truest thing I have ever read on this site or any other. I applaud you good sir.
by jay on Sep 25, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares who had more ppv buys? I watch both sports. I usually prefer ufc fights but if a good boxing match comes around, I’ll watch it.
by Kdog on Sep 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder what the demographics are on these buys. I honestly believe Marquez sold this fight more than Mayweather.
by closb on Sep 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
I hate this type of article. It doesn’t really paint the whole picture. In order to get an “apples to apples” comparison you need to have all things be equal (otherwise, you are comparing apples to oranges).
Say this is the top boxing event of the year and UFC 100 is the top event of year….
Overhead costs: The venue and PPV fees are probably similar but the headline boxers made way more than the entire card of fighters in UFC 100…so boxing had a way higher investment (I believe)
Promotion: UFC was way higher promoted. Even considering the HBO shows promoting the boxing match, the UFC had the entire season of TUF promoting the third fight on UFC 100. Not to mention UFC had one their most popular fighters WW champ GSP on the second fight and then the Lesner /Mir fight has all sorts of built in promotion (WWE crossover and the previous TUF coach winner)…so the UFC had WAY more promotion Although, some will argue this goes into overhead costs.
Competition: This boxing event was competing with a lesser UFC. I cant remember what UFC 100 had against it.
So basically, you still don’t have an accurate comparasion of one event to another. So saying that boxing or the UFC is the winner this year CAN’T really be quantified.
Another thing, I’m not so sure that I care if one or the other “won”. I consider boxing to be an element of MMA. I don’t try to compare MMA to kickboxing, Judo, BJJ, ADCC, Greco Roman wrestling or any other pure forms a martial art. Thats stupid. I like to watch kickboxing but don’t really care for boxing or BJJ events as a pure form. Nothing wrong with them, it’s just not my thing. Do they have to be head to head….My conclusion is….NO..
by Striker Dave on Sep 25, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
I think pac will tko cotto late in 10th or so
I’m only waiting for money may vs pac man
But I believe once that happens there isn’t anything left
Or at least not for a while
I love boxing but their numbers won’t win
What’s the highest ppvs this year?
I would guess ufc 100
And I can bet the brock carwin and tito coleman will get close
That making 2 ufc bigger than boxing
Just my guess
by phenomenal angel on Sep 25, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
the stars drive the ppv sales, not the sports themselves. mayweather is a boring ass fighter who needs a big drawing star to compete against in order to make money. mayweather paquio will outdraw any ufc by a mile unless it has leasner and another champion fighting on it. at the same time, i can’t think of any other combination of boxers that will outdraw an average ufc card. the ufc has the ultimate formula to win this war. they can put on three fights that their fans want to see on every card while boxing only provides the main event. ufc will win this war in the long run(at least in america) as soon as the last great american boxers (mayweather,mosely,wright,hopkins) retire.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 25, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
Pac vs may
Will whoop most mma
Brock vs fedor (if ever)
will whoop may vs pac
by phenomenal angel on Sep 25, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd is worth 200 million. I wonder if Dana white is worth that much
by lance2576 on Sep 25, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
dana does not have more money than maywhether be serious
by zack on Sep 25, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well lets see dumbass, Dana owns a company, lets say 10% and it valuation is 1.5B, it’s pretty damn close isn’t it?
One more thing, how is Floyd worth 200 million? Where do you get that?
by UFC Champ on Sep 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
For one I couldn’t care less who bud sedlig is for I know little of American main stream sports!!
Secondly without being called a Dana nuthugger, he has said many good things and done more!! Ur obviously being ignorant to the fact that Dana has provided many more opportunities for up and coming fighters to make a career out of fighting…. Yes ofcourse this in turn is profitable for the ufc but otherwise there would be no mma as we know it today.
Finally, there is little point trying to voice an opinion against you intro, because you become so clouded by your own feelings and beliefs that you fail to acknowledge what positive views others have.
by Mo on Sep 25, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
Obviously UFC wasn’t trying to compete with the Boxing event, or else they would have had someone else other than Rich Franklin in the main event.
by RJ on Sep 25, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
There is a big reason why the UFC 103 card was the way it was. No huge payouts made sure that they see a profit.
by Whyisitlegal on Sep 25, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions
“Let’s face it. We all grew up with boxing. So of course the fans of boxing out number mma. but this will change as mma is now what the kids are growing up to. a friend of mine has an 11 year old son who can name UFC fighters left and right off the top of his head and strikeforce but couldn’t tell you three different boxers names. So give it time guys the mma revolution has begun!!”
Couldn’t have said it any better.
by Shayne on Sep 25, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
HBO ran 24/7 hype. I mean literally…they had 24/7 hype for that fight. Talk about a push image if the UFC had 24/7 hype for weeks showing clips of previous fights of vitor n franklin etc…
Boxing is done. I certainly am not gonna pay to watch guys 10lbs lighter than Gina Carano slap each other with pillows on their hands for 12 rounds or whatever. slap slap hug break slap slap hug…give me mma any day.
by hatteras on Sep 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
I’m a boxing fan who happened to stumble onto this blog. I think there are some great comments here. I just barely got into MMA and love it. There is room for both sports. Boxing has always been a niche sport anyways so it’s highly doubtful that it will die out. But one thing I want to say: MMA has actually done boxing good because boxing promoters have been scrambling to come up with better matches finally. Check out Shotime’s Super Six tournament which is kick ass. Cotto=Pacman will be great and Kelly Pavlik-Paul Williams is gonna be a barnburner.
by chris acosta on Sep 26, 2009 1:33 AM EDT reply actions
Guys, Mayweather is only money cos ppl want to see him get knocked out. Soon as that happens the hype (and audience) will die down. Then boxing goes back to the problem of diminishing popularity.
by h-dog on Sep 26, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions
I’m a boxing fan who happened to stumble onto this blog. I think there are some great comments here. I just barely got into MMA and love it. There is room for both sports. Boxing has always been a niche sport anyways so it’s highly doubtful that it will die out. But one thing I want to say: MMA has actually done boxing good because boxing promoters have been scrambling to come up with better matches finally. Check out Shotime’s Super Six tournament which is kick ass. Cotto=Pacman will be great and Kelly Pavlik-Paul Williams is gonna be a barnburner.
P.S. – Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!
by chris acosta on Sep 26, 2009 6:14 AM EDT reply actions
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