The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 10: Episode 1 recap and discussion
by Jesse Holland on Sep 16, 2009 10:14 PM EDT
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Episode one of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 10 is finally underway and coaches Rashad Evans and Quinton Jackson are already bickering over who is the bigger loser. Almost immediately the heavyweight contestants start filing in and the coaches start gawking at the sheer size of the new group.
"Rampage" refers to Marcus Jones as an Ogre and is one bad cliche away from asking him how the weather is up there. Fortunately UFC President Dana White comes in to break up the jibber-jabber between Jackson and Evans and whoops! There's only 15 fighters.
Say what?
By George, we have a surprise contestant! Who could it be? Kimbo Slice in da howse! Alleged ex-NFL'er Brendan Schaub is not impressed by Kimbo's beard, which strangely resembles the bush Peter Griffin was sporting when he gave home to that endangered bird on Family Guy.
The ego of former IFL champ Roy Nelson takes a major hit following the announcement since "Big Country" thought he was the big announcement.
Kimbo takes a minute in the confessional to remind us that he's street certified. Apparently that's good enough for Coach Jackson, who thinks Slice is downright dreamy. Coach Evans laughs it off and is glad to be free of the potential burden.
During the break we catch a glimpse of the direct-to-torrent release of "Blood and Bone," starring a bunch of actors who can't fight and a bunch of fighters who can't act.
Back at the gym it's evaluation time and Coach Evans brought Greg Jackson along for the ride. Team Evans just went up about 100 points right out of the gate.
Coach Rampage counters with Tiki Ghosn -- and by having some of the guys beat on each other. He assigns flattering nicknames to most of the contestants like Darill Schoonover, who he refers to as "titties." That Rampage, always with the positive reinforcement.
Kimbo hits the stage and anyone who was in a coma for the last year will be shocked to learn that Slice is apparently lacking in the ground game.
Evaluations are over and it's time for the coin toss, which I followed with the cookie toss since Rampage actually picked Kimbo first. That allowed Evans, who had first pick, to nab both Schaub and James McSweeney, two of his teammates back at Greg Jackson's camp.
He also gets Roy Nelson while Jackson stacks his team with an increasingly unstable Wes Sims and the unproven Marcus Jones. Zak Jensen gets picked last -- just over a nearby camera man -- and naturally ends up with Rampage.
Following the festivities, the gang heads back to the TUF mansion to decide which fighter is going to get the dubious honor of knocking Kimbo out of the house first. Slice is smart enough to know he's got a bullseye on his back but plays it cool.
Team Evans gets to the gym for some training and Rashad reflects on his journey from a TUF 2 contestant to TUF 10 coach. Rampage is not impressed and promptly boots him from the gym.
He starts with a cardio test and Marcus Jones starts clutching his heart like Fred Sanford when he got a one-way ticket to Elizabeth.
Since Evans picked first fighter, Jackson gets to pick first fight. He chooses John Madsen vs. Abe Wagner and Rashad is elated, thinking Jackson made a dumb pick. Considering all the hype and expectations around this season, a collective yawn could be heard across the nation following the match up.
Madsen gets busy in the gym and during the segment, Coach Evans makes first mention of his fight with Rampage in December. I sigh accordingly.
Jackson, obviously working on some revolutionary form of fight preparation, preps Wagner in the gym by asking him basic multiplication. Abe responds by puking into a bucket.
Heavyweight elimination fight #1: John Madsen (1-0) vs. Abe Wagner (6-1)
Round 1: Wagner offers to touch gloves and Madsen ignores him. Madsen immediately shoots and takes him down hard. Up against the fence, Wagner is in all kinds of trouble, eating elbows and taking punishment. He tries to push off but Madsen is all up in his grill. Action quickly stalls as we get a bizarre picture-in-a-picture of Rampage frozen in a catatonic trance, occasionally shouting incoherent instructions. We switch to a magic box of Evans, who repeatedly shouts "posture up and punish him" like he's stuck on a loop ala Rousseau's annoying French message from Lost. Several elbows later and we have a bloodbath on our hands as Wagner is hemorrhaging badly from perhaps the goriest cut in TUF history. Round over.
Round 2: More glove-touching shenanigans and Madsen once again shoots and puts Wagner right on his butt. Referee Steve Mazzagatti has seen enough of the man-hugs and stands them up. Madsen defies him with another takedown and I look at my watch. Not exactly an electric start to season ten. Mazz puts them back on their feet and (surprise) Madsen drags it right back down. If not for the blood there would be nothing to look at. Mazz brings them back up (again) and Maddy takes him down (again). The bell sounds and Madsen lets out a WHOO! like he just put on the performance of a lifetime.
John Madsen defeats Abe Wagner via unanimous decision.
And here I thought Kimbo Slice was the worst fighter in the house.
Stay tuned next week as Rampage gives Kimbo a crash course in all things MMA, Rashad reprimands Roy Nelson for his obnoxious behavior and another heavyweight battle unfolds.
See you in seven!
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ahh, I’ll take the camera guy… Classic Rampage
by TapedUpPair on Sep 16, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Funniest quote on TUF ever. “Who? Tank Abbott?”
by c-war on Sep 16, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have had Ken Shamrock on the show.
by Enniskillen on Sep 16, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
both lines were hilarious, this season should be great
by Jared on Sep 16, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who is shocked that Roy Nelson was one of the later picks?
by ScissorSweep on Sep 16, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was surprised too. But Greg Jackson knows what he’s doing.
by NameNotRequired on Sep 17, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
i was really surprised! woulda been my first pick.
funny episode but the fight was hella weak. both guys seemed one-dimensional.
by AzCombat on Sep 17, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
HW’s generally are pretty one-dimensional. Roy seems pretty “well-rounded” though, right?
RIGHT?!
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 17, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
greg jackson doesn’t know anything and that big ape guy is a ret@rd
by shamo84 on Sep 17, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Shamo84, no offense but I am sure GSP, Rashad, Nate, Jones & their fans will disagree with you… Greg Jackson is one of the top coaches out there.
by neeko on Sep 17, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually everything important on that show is scripted and Rashad & Rampage get told who to pick and what fights to set up. Its “Reality” Television after all.
by Skope on Sep 17, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
“The bell sounds and Madsen lets out a WHOO! like he just put on the performance of a lifetime.”
ok i thought he was very impressive and so did rashad. you find your opponents weakness and make him suffer for it. gsp did it to thiago alves, brock did it to mir, etc. just cuz they didnt bang like lightweights doesnt mean it wasnt a great fight, be it one sided. sounds like someones just being a sourpuss that kimbo hadnt fought.
by hex on Sep 17, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought ramoage really messed up with his picks, and who are his coaches? i say rashad had greag jackson and van aresdale who the hell did rampage bring his buddies?i like watching rampage fight but man is that guy dumb and taking kimbo first? rahsad would not have picked him high rampage could have waited for that pick and i was surprized roy wasn’t one of the top picks it looked like rampage didn’t even know who he was or anyone was other than kimbo.
by roy on Sep 17, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Rampage sucked as a coach and I am a fan of his so it was frustrating. I did like his fighter on fighter evals though. I think he didnt do it correctly but I like the concept because a guy hitting pads like he’s Van Damme doesn’t mean he can fight. Putting him in there and seeing how he responds is definately more reavling.
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That said, he justifies the match up based on the fact that Abe has BJJ somewhere in an alternate universe and will be ok if it goes to the ground. LMAO!!!!!!! It’s the first fight! you need to win! go with the sure pop! Kimbo vs. Titties!!!! Why put a non ground game up against the houses best wrestler? Stupid stupid pick. And I’m sorry to say, but if Abe has BJJ somewhere in his resume he needs to sue his Master for fraud cuz whatever he learned wasn’t BJJ. Hell, I don’t fight pro but I got more Jitz than that shit I saw last night dammit!!!
by getrawbc on Sep 17, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
rampage unfortunately seems stuck on size over skill.. which is ridiculous..greg jackson is a dangerous person to have against you..because he really analyzes fighters and fights down to minute points..fighting with your head (as in brain) really works..capitalizing on fighters weak points is better than just sending sending out a fighter with one strong point..
agreeing that the fight was on the ground a wee bit too much to be thrilling yes..but there is a strategy that greg uses to tire the sh*t out of your opponent by applying constant pressure to a fighter and taking his wind and frustrates the piss outta em..it can be viewed as lay and pray..but it really is effective..albeit not the best for an exciting fight..but it works..
the fight should have been stopped..being that the cut was up and down..(which generally goes right to the skull in that case)..not across the head..which is just bloody and not as gaping usually..
my guess is..the blue door that rampage killed is the only thing he is gonna destroy..this season on tuf…he really is a horrible corner man..no advise what so ever or his fighter..rampage is not the sharpest tool in the shed..
by sarah on Sep 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is just there for the payday. He doesn’t care whatsoever if his fighters win or lose.
Unfortunately the only entertaining thing about TUF this season IS going to be Rampage’s humor.
Because everything else is staged garbage.
by Skope on Sep 17, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is the worst coach ever. He doesn’t help his guys at all during the fight. He’s yellin, “You need to get up!!!”. He knows he needs to get up!!! Team Rashad might sweep this one.
by knowone on Sep 17, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I think ‘Abe get up’ is going to replace ‘Take him down Andy’ as my go-to TUF joke.
by PW on Sep 17, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage has never been a very good coach and sure as hell isn’t going to help kimbo’s ground game.
by DAVE A on Sep 17, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
dipshiit…..rampage told the dumbfuk how to get up. “put ur legs on his hips!!!” which the apparent engineering genious, who really has no motivation to fight because he has a “great job” in the real world, responded to rampages instructions by wrapping his legs around the dude. that big fuktard deserved that huge gash.
by jon an on Sep 17, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t diss the Wang!! That guy is the epitome of Bushido!
by ToeLock on Sep 19, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, classic Rampage would have been if he’d walked up to the camera guy and started dry-humping him for five minutes while everyone else looked on in uncomfortable silence.
Then he’d trash-talk the camera guy until they agreed to a fight, after which Rampage would promptly leave the building to film an episode of “Knight Rider” in which he plays a stereotypical ghetto thug with two poorly delivered one-liners. On the way to the TV shoot he would consume 17 energy drinks, run over several people in a monster truck, and kill a baby.
;-)
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 17, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
are u crunked out? you sound like a rampage yourself, the way you do ur trashtalking/jokes, lol.
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL RoB. White kids from Sweden should never, and I mean NEVER, use the word “crunk” in a sentence.
Y’dig?
;-)
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 17, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I use whatever words i want, whenever i want.. thinking u have to be black and have a certain nationality is old :) Im as international as one can be..
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
rampage will destroy rashad when they fight!! EASILY!! there is NOBODY that lil pip squeak greg jackson has ever trained or coached that can beat rampage! Nobody!! greg jackson has been in this fight game how long?! and he’s still NEVER had anybody who could beat rampage. rampage aint some wrestler from Indiana or Purdue! he’ll beat evans handidly. evans isn’t even on rampage’s level. evans beat the worst LHW champ since the turn of the century. he deserves about half the credit he gets as a fighter. also, with all the shit team evans guys’ talk about kimbo, i really hope whoever he fights isn’t a coward and doesn’t just lay and pray on kimbo. if u cant beat a fighter at his own game, then don’t talk shit about him. if the only way u can beat kimbo is by out wrestling him, good job, nice victory, but don’t talk smack like u’ve done something glorious! that be like lebron james dunking on me and then talking shit about doing it! Well duh, u should be able to do that. now if somebody beats kimbo at a straight up, knockdown-drag out stand up fight, then that’s grounds for some shit talk. but that’s the only scenario worthy of shit talking
by deuce 4 on Sep 17, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
um, you mean like Seth “who??” Petrazelli? I think he KO’d Kimbo standing in the first 20 seconds. And wasn’t he a TUF washout?
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
deuce 4, I agree with everything you just said. Rashad is nothing and the most overrated fighter at LHW. Rampage will kill him.
Rampage is not one, but multiple levels above Hype-shad.
by Skope on Sep 17, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Your Lebron James example would only be true if you were an NBA player, which I can safely asume you are not. Kimbo is no longer a streeet fighter. he is trying to be a mixed martial artist so if someone takes him down and lays on him, they win the fight and defeat Kimbo at his own sport.
by ViolentMike on Sep 17, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
great that Page chose his boy!.. Rashad is such a d-bag bragging over his record, when he’s only been fighting losers!
he is def an uncool person
by RoBerto on Sep 16, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Their both tools! But after everyone see’s this season its gona make it that much worse what Rampage did (A-Team). Typical Page and his tantrums when things dont go his way.
by JV on Sep 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
why? he’s a proffessional that means being proffessional, he did what is best for him.. If it was personal he’d fight Rashad in the parking lot
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If Page was a professional then he would have honored his fight with Rashad (IN HIS HOME TOWN!) We are gona get to see just how much he hates Rashad on the show, but he chose not to fight him anyway. Then hes making fun of Rashad getting KO’d by Machida, even though Page himself ducked him and for the title!!! So whos the bigger douche?
by JV on Sep 17, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
well, sorry but they aren’t locked to their sport as other athletes are.. If they get hurt in training they won’t get paid nothing so that means they’re free to do whatever they want and that’s what Rampage did!
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
what are you talking about? the fight is still gonna happen! I don’t understand how everyone is so up in arms about Jackson deciding to do a movie. Sure, he loses the hometown setting but for crying out loud, the fight is just being pushed back like three weeks. I guarantee you that it will go down in Las Vegas on the Christmas/New Year’s card.
by Anthony on Sep 17, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. there will always be fights for rampage. always know that. no matter what dana will never cut rampage unless he kills an infant…wait nevermind. or maybe when he chooses not to fight for the title…wait nevermind. maybe when he decides to do a movie instead of doing a fight in your hometown…wait that didn’t happen either. the point is if you can add money to your pocket while you are still relevant then do it. plain and simple. make the money while you can. fights will always be there for rampage, and plus dana likes him anyways. so win win. make your TUF money, movie money, then go make your fight money. not just fight money. that will always be there. i see why he didn’t fight machida, he wouldn’t win. no one will. so stop saying he is dumb for not taking that fight with machida. he wants money and is very smart about it.
by Keith W on Sep 17, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s he supposed to do RoB, when Rampage is mocking his KO at the hands of Machida? Not point out the fact that Rampage has been the victim of some vicious beatdowns and losses himself, and did appear to quit against Shogun? Anybody would have had the same retort.
Quit slurping the Rampage Kool-aid. Which is, of course, grape flavor.
;-)
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 16, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage’s math is a bit off as well. He said that he was knocked out 1 time, but I believe I have seen Wandy put him to sleep 2 times.
by naturalshadow on Sep 17, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage has fought the best in Pride. Don’t tell me Evans would have a much of a chance against the 2005 Wandy or Sho Gun. Most of us have seen Rampage take some wicked shots and keep on going shots that would put Evans to sleep. Rampage and Wandy bring it everytime they fight you can’t say the same about evans yes he is a good fighter but he has not been in near the wars Rampage or Wandy have been in.
by Beaver on Sep 17, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad would have been killed in Pride, he was fighting Sean Salmon at the time Rampage had been a legend for years with only training with amateurs! He is probably the most talented/real fighter there is in MMA..
Rampage has been knocked out once! why he did that against Shogun is because he had a broken rib or atleast sour ribs going into the fight that broke right away… AS the Refs don’t stop fights in Japan he had to be kicked in the head going through the ropes
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Rampage counts his first KO by Wandy because he never went down. After 17 knees to the head, 3 soccer kicks, and a couple of punches/elbows to the face, he was still on his feet. He was on another planet somewhere, but he was still standing. It was truly amazing. I haven’t seen anyone take that kind of punishment without going unconscious since Oleg Taktarov.
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a tough mouther F er that is for sure.
by Puck Head on Sep 17, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Boat load of testosterone on this show.
Producers/Directors are very much downplaying Nelson on the firs show… Might work for reality show viewers… =)
by Luppers on Sep 16, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, they were definitely deliberately downplaying the guy who’s the favorite to go all the way. Makes me suspect even more that he is going to get far in the show, but I don’t think he’ll win it.
I can’t stand the idea of the HW division being so weak that that fat unathletic slob could win the whole thing.
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 16, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to hope the cast has a couple HW’s capable of becoming major factors in the division. Unfortunately, last night’s episode left me with the strong impression this will not be the case. I saw poorly conditioned fighters, unskilled one-dimensional fighters, and several that frankly have no business fighting in the HW division. Based on first impression, I do expect Nelson to go deep on the show. While he has skill and experience, his doing so would prove the cast talent level is weak, and will not add any significant new players in the HW division.
by CL on Sep 17, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
FAT don’t mean squat in a 60 lb division, Bro. Ask Josh Barnett or Paul Buentello if looking flabby has hurt their careers. Fat is only a hinderance in narrow weight classes where you’re trading your pounds of fat against that many more pounds of muscle in your opponent. In a large weight class or open weight match, adding some fat is actually an advantage, esp with grapplers because it gives you more weight that your opponent has to carry if you’re on top of him, more weight for him to contend with in the clinch, and it makes you harder for a grappler to hang on to.
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
As time passes, we will see more FIT fighters pushing the top end of the weight limit. As this happens, the fat guys will increasingly become less relevant. It’s already beginning to happen, and those unwilling to acknowledge this and work to improve the conditioning side of their games are simply living in the past. The sport is evolving at a rapid pace, and the days of pudgy HW’s ruling the division are numbered, if not already over.
by CL on Sep 17, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The presence of increasing numbers of “fit” guys who have to cut down to reach 165 to me is just proof of what I’ve been saying for a while now: The Heavyweight division is too broad. It’s simply unfair for a ripped 220 lb guy to have to compete with a ripped 285 lb guy, unless you wanna just go back to the days of no weight classes at all. If it’s unfair for B.J.Penn to compete with GSP, let alone Rampage, then it’s unfair for Couture, Noguiera, and CroCop to have to compete with Lesnar, Carwin, and JDS. It pretty much makes anyone under 250 lbs irrelevant for belt contention.
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Abe is holding the leg in half guard but… Posturing to jump out?
by Luppers on Sep 16, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
God I hate Rampage so much. That whole thing about the “titties” is just typical Rampage trash. Totally plays up the ghetto black man role.
On top of that he’s a horrible coach. I’d sure hate to have Rampage tell me how to work a half-guard sweep.
by frosnt on Sep 16, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Rampage = Worst. Coach. Ever.
Yes, I did consider Ken Shamrock before I made that statement.
Rampage is a complete moron. I hope he does dummy Rashad if he ever decides to be a fighter again, only so I can laugh myself hoarse at the complete and utter embarrassment Lyoto will make him endure.
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Frosnt Half -gaurd sweep is for fighter not pu**ys who just take shit via keyboard and what is the ghetto balck man role
by reno on Sep 17, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha and his advice is always so meaningless. “You gotta do something.” THANKS COACH.
by frosnt on Sep 16, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
Shitty coaching, shitty matchmaking and from the looks of things, shitty team selection. No wonder Rampage needs movie money so bad. With decision-making skills like he displayed tonight, he probably spent his remaining fortune on time-shares in Afghanistan.
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 17, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
No,no, JJ, you’ve got it all wrong as usual! His time-shares are in Outer Mongolia!
Afghanistan is the site of his new Mr.T-themed amusement park, “PITYLAND”, which features Hulk Hogan in the kissing booth (resuming his Rocky 3 role as “Thunderlips, the Ultimate Male”)
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
wow abe sucks. he had to know dude was gonna go straight for a takedown blast him with a knee or uppercut, at least try! sprawl? what a chump
by hatteras on Sep 16, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
great tv, and he’d knock all of those guys out..
by RoBerto on Sep 16, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
what does that mean roberto? he’s a coach this season right???
by kevin on Sep 17, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
means nothing.. but i think Page knows a thing or two about the standup
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i think rampage knows a lot more of what it takes to be a REAL fighter than anybody at greg jackson’s camp knows, including greg jackson himself. gameplans and stylistic matchups don’t mean shit when ur in the cage with somebody like rampage. greg jackson and rashad can do all the homework they want but it aint gonna mean shit once that leather starts flying. greg jackson had some brilliant gameplans for evans vs. machida and jardine vs. wandy!!! sheer genius!!
by deuce 4 on Sep 17, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is an amazing natural talent. He’s never had a top team surrounding him…in PRIDE he hardly had a team at all. He’s just got great instincts. Imagine what he could do with Greg Jackson or Extreme Couture behind him!
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
“You gotta get up man!” Gawd this is one of the natiest cuts I have seen in a long time. Feel bad for the guy but he is defintly not a fighter.
by neeko on Sep 16, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
How bout that coaching from Rampage?? “GET UP ABE! COME ON U GOT GET UP!!”…………wtf?!?!?!??
by E.Mac on Sep 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
Im dont think Rampage is as bad as he seems. Im not too big on MMA to be honest but from what I see you cant make a man fight. He refused to fight back. Even when they were on the ground that guy Abe did not throw 1 punch, not 1. Whoever supplied him with his 6 wins should go kill themselves. He just didnt fight at all. I think he should have been kicked off the show for that. Clearly should not be anywhere near an octagon
by BigE on Sep 18, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank god that shit is over, now I can watch Gladiator vs. Apache!
(seriously? Spike is fucking wack)
by Luppers on Sep 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
I had to wake up to come post this. That fight put me to sleep. Man, sooooo frustrating to watch a couple of guys that actually made it on to TUF fight such terrible a fight.
BTW, small goats vagina.
by Freddy on Sep 16, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
gay azz no skilled wrestlers frustrate me….i mean lay and pray specialist
by SluggerCitySoldier on Sep 16, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
I think you’d better find out what “lay and pray” actually is. That dude was posturing up and smashing the crap out of Rampage’s boy. Was it a scintillating display of skill? No. But it sure as hell wasn’t LnP.
And as far as “skill” goes, I’d say in this case the wrestler possessed more than the… the whatever the hell that guy was supposed to be good at. How a guy can walk into the same overhand left/double-leg shoot three times in a row without adjusting is completely beyond me.
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 16, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It was LnP for sure.. He couldn’t fight to save his life! a guy like that would get lit up in a second in a real streetfight
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
RoB, to you any fight that hits the ground is LnP. Sometimes I wonder why you watch MMA if the ground game so disgusts you. Taking a guy down and smashing his face in doesn’t work in a street fight, huh? Kimbo is a street fighter and I bet that guy would kick his ass using those very same tactics.
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 17, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
i say it was borderline lay n pray..
the fat dood definitely held on to him for extended periods, and then he postured up randomly for punches.
not once did the fat dood try to improve position, and imo- the man was boring..
did the dood end up leaving damage? for sure..
but imo~ clay guida is waaay more relentless and consistantly moving while wrestling down his opponents to ground and pound, and he gets the most flack over any fighter on this planet..
some things don’t make sense..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 17, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Stink, IMO LnP would be winning on points with the takedowns, but doing no damage. Guida is relentless and puts on a crazy pace, but rarely does much damage. That big guy had a huge gash, and was busted up pretty good! So it wasnt LnP, borderline I would agree with. And yes it was boring, BIGTIME!
by JV on Sep 17, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Clay has made a living burying his caveman head in his opponent’s chest and holding on while throwing ineffectual slaps for minutes at a time. This guy was raining down big punches and elbows and doing a lot of damage.
Clay hasn’t seen a gash that big since he peeled the yellow panties off an Indian hooker in the bed of his ’94 Datsun pick-up.
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 17, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
LMFAO, JJ!!! Where do you guys come up with that stuff?
by JV on Sep 17, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
lay n pray, is when a fighter always goes for the takedown, gets it cause the strength difference, holds onto the fighter keeping him grounded and throws random punches and elbows so the ref doesn’t stand it up..
rinse and repeat~ win a decision..
example~ jake obrian vs heath hearring..
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in the fight tonight on tuf, the fat dood did almost everything i said above, minus the fact that he landed some huge shots and kept a little more busy than the average lay n pray specialists..
none the less!~ the stratagy makes for a boring fight regardless of damage done..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 17, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, jj!~
i got a post in mod-hell..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 17, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a boring fight, but Abe should take the bulk of the blame. I understand he is not a wrestler, but wtf? He didn’t even come remotely close to stopping a single takedown. He said he did BJJ for a while. How do you do BJJ and never respond to a single takedown, or even attempt a sweep on the ground? Yes, the other guy was boring, but he did what he needed to win. I don’t like to trash on a fighter, but Abe was pretty bad.
by naturalshadow on Sep 17, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
naturalshadow~
truth!~
abe did nothing!
by stinky~fingers on Sep 17, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
you call that ground game? he didn’t have any ground game at all, not that he needed it either, but that cut wasn’t because of brutal GnP it was because he got lucky that one of his early shots opened him up!.. He didn’t hit him with many punches at all, very few that was good..
Tito Ortiz has brutal GnP, Demian Maia has a good ground game, Anderson Silva is dynamic on the ground too inflicting pain and at the same time BJJ
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
what i dislike very much is seeing a guy that is a good wrestler but s*cks as a fighter, so all he does is take the other guy down all the time and keep him there for as long as possible to avoid fighting… sure these are big guys, he threw some punches but it wasn’t close to finishing the fight
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Sticky, you can’t compare Guida, the poster child for A.D.D. w/ a super heavyweight like that. I don’t know many heavyweights that move like Guida. I do agree, gawd that was an awful 1st fight. They better bring it if they want to keep cats interested in “the most exciting Tuf EVER”.
by neeko on Sep 17, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s a novel concept. Rather than whine, piss and moan about a fighter winning with a style you don’t like, reserve your rants for the guys that get beat by that style. I think the average 3rd grader could take Abe down with ease, and yet here he was, wasting our time as a “contestent” on a show supposedly designed to add talent to the vaunted UFC HW division. Laughable……
by CL on Sep 17, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Smart strategy by John though if he had have been more aggressive in that second round he would have got a stoppage no problem, instead he pretty much clayed and grayed his way through the fight after cutting Abe bad. However I can’t fault someone who fights to their strengths and their opponents weakness, Rampage looked like an idiot making that fight as like Rashad said he put a guy with no ground game against the best wrestler in the house, awful matchmaking. Team Rashad are going to wipe the floor with Team Rampage.
As for Abe he had no place being on the show, he had no skills and didn’t even sound like he wanted to be a fighter. BJJ my arse, that was one of the worst displays I’ve ever seen, he was taken down over and over again then just lay on the floor taking punches and elbows. No way will he be cleared to fight again on the show with that cut and after that pathetic display there isn’t a chance that he is getting picked again, he can go back to his nice job and stop embarrassing himself trying MMA.
by David W-S on Sep 17, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yea I do. Evans boy displayed it for 10 straight minutes.take fighter down….punch a few times….lay….pray…..lay….pray…act like your trying to advance your position…..lay…pray…..repeat boring steps
by SluggerCitySoldier on Sep 17, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol @ rampage coaching. Get up. Get up! He is gonna do the same thing. Get up! … Wow is that what someones supposed to do when down there.. Easy as that..
by Steve on Sep 16, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
What was with Rampage leaving before the fight was over and than giving his team shit for touching gloves!?!
Poor sportsmanship.
Boo Rampage.
by BC Mike on Sep 16, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
As soon a Abe reached out to touch gloves, Rashad’s guy shot. That is why Rampage is pissy. Besides him being a horrible coach. Rashad did the right thing bringing in Jackson to run the show for him!
by halljam2 on Sep 16, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is a great fighter but he is a terrible coach first pick I’ll take my guy with no ground game against one of Evans best wrestlers? It will be a hilarious show but I feel bad for Pages guys the only guy he has his heart on training is Kimbo the rest are practice dummies for Kimbo. I love Rampage the fighter but Rampage the coach seems doomed against Evans & jackson.
by Beaver on Sep 16, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t get that. What in the fu$k is Rampages strategy? He has a experience coaching in one of the previous seasons why the the hell would he choose “APE” to fight Rashad’s top guys? Momentum Page..Momentum!!!
by neeko on Sep 17, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Think that may have had something to do with that guy shooting in while they were touching gloves which was pretty douchie.
by Rawrr on Sep 16, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was mad at the touching gloves thing because the guy touched and immediately went in for a shot….it looked kind of shady to me the equivalent of a quick punch after touching gloves. Before the fight he was sayin dont touch gloves touch his head with your fist…basically getting his fighter in the zone…he wasn’t angry about the touching gloves until the second round incident. I didn’t see it as bad sportsmanship because to me it looked more like a response to the other teams bad sportsmanship. I do agree with others though it seemed like bad coaching on rampage’s part so far. Bad choice for a match up…real bad! and no good advice on how to improve or get up
by ffffff on Sep 16, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was mad, because touching gloves with someone in a situation like that is incredibly stupid.. they have to have killer instinct, not some lets be friends sh*t
by RoBerto on Sep 17, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen much better fights on the playgroung back in elementary school! Why didn’t the Ref stand them up a little more? Worst fight ever! Madsen is a one trick pony and Abe is a no trick pony! WTF??? That said, Fight Night was the best night of fights i’ve seen in a while! None of my favorites fought tonight! But, they all fought well! Also, IMO, Huerta won 2 rounds to May-nard the re-tard’s one!
by Dana's a CrossDresser on Sep 16, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
Standing them up would of brought even more take downs…boring fight. Great cut in the head though. I think that was the highlight of the show.
by neeko on Sep 17, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Abe wasn’t worth a fuck anyways. He wasn’t even listening. He goes right back out each round and did the exact same thing. Kimbo Will Take the whole thing- Yesssirrr
by Jordan Maxey on Sep 16, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
Great show… but it must be watched via dvr. How many times can you watch a dude dumb ice and have the King come in with a blower??
by TapedUpPair on Sep 16, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
I like rampage. I always did. And i never like rashad from his run on TUF. But rampage is not bright at all. He choose a horrible first fight and his coaching is bad. Just watching the them and the coaches input I was thinking I’d much rather have rashad and his camp.
On a side note I like how rashad was making fun of himself about getting hit by dragon and rampage kept going. Props to rashad for being able to be positive about the fight.
by robotic on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
That cut/gaping hole was nasty! But that’s what you get for lettin that guy take you down over and over…..and I’ve gotta agree, “who? Tank Abbott?” was f@?*in hilarious.
by MMAtt on Sep 16, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, that cut was just …(insert sucking-through-teeth sound coupled with wincing grimace here)… just plain nasty.
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 16, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea the glove touching incedent was weak as hell and a punk move. I hope that guy gets his teeth kicked in
by SluggerCitySoldier on Sep 16, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
In all fairness I don’t think any amount of coaching could get that guy off his back.. That was just a bad episode. If they are gonna base the rest of the season off of this, will ppl really tune in again?
by Steve on Sep 16, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
I agree. As much as I was hype for this season I am not interested in watching it again. But I will..just in case ;o)
As for coaching, Page’s “get up Abe” is not exactly what I would consider coaching. But you are right, even Greg Jackson couldn’t get the cat off his back.
by neeko on Sep 17, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo the new posterboy for the UFC….wow how times have changed.
I got a kick out of Dana at the start “the hw division is as interesting as it’s ever been” lmao….ya, that’s why you have to recruit Kimbo to get everyone’s attention …(rolling eyes).
by introvert on Sep 16, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions
What? I hope you meant “recruit Kimbo to get everyone’s attention” for TUF! And where do you come up with this “poster boy” crap? Tell me where else is the HW division better than the UFC’s?
by JV on Sep 17, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
where do you come up with this "poster boy" crap?
Um, you just watched the graand entrance on the show didn’t you?
Kimbo is the new poster boy. Does that bother you?
by introvert on Sep 17, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats makes Kimbo the “poster boy?” The entrance! Does it bother you that their using Kimbo for ratings? Its the same thing everytime Strikeforce says “former UFC fighter” on their cards to help make their brand more legit right?
by JV on Sep 17, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
inty has been slippin lately, jv..
his posts have been very random and make little sense..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 17, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
True Stink! Ive said it before, that MoFo needs to get laid. He’d be a much happier person.
by JV on Sep 17, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It’ll happen once the right guy comes along.
by Jeremyjackson on Sep 17, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
all he needs to do is lighten up..
that man has more misunderstood hate in his blood than an 11teen yr old girl on the rag..
j/k, inty, but u do need to smoke a fatt doob & relax..
by stinky~fingers on Sep 17, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
intro just can’t let go I think Dana told him to suck his weiner and intro thought he was serious and has had a hate on ever since.
by Beaver on Sep 17, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Hilarious JJ… You do have to add “not that there’s anything wronmg with that”
by neeko on Sep 17, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
“Does it bother you that their using Kimbo for ratings?”
I think that pretty much sums up the fact that he is the poster boy for tuf. Using a guy for ratings makes him the poster boy for the show. I don’t know how you can admit that fact and argue he isn’t the poster boy. Elite XC used him for ratings and that made him the poster boy…don’t know why its different for tuf…hes the guy I see on all the commercials…he got his own entrance and was the big surprise for the other cast members. No one else was given as much exposure so I don’t know how you can say he hasn’t been the poster boy thus far.
by ffffff on Sep 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
this season looks like its going to be a great one… rampage is funny as usual but it only pisses me off more knowing that rampage decided to do the movie instead of fight rashad!! and im sure im only going to get more pist off as the season goes on
by JR on Sep 17, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
Crappy fight between two people with little, to no, future. I knew Abe was going to lose when pre-fight he was saying things like “fighting is something I do on the side, it’s not who I am. It’s not my whole life…” How are you supposed to win if that’s your mind set?
For the first time ever in the TUF series, I was actually hoping to see more of what goes on in the house. I am assuming that from here on out we will get a little more of that stuff. Sims is a nut. Between him, Big Country, Kimbo and a shiite load of dudes chomping at the bit to knock Kimbo out it should make for a nice dudeopera for fight fans.
by efisher on Sep 17, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
How did it make the second round with that cut? Way to go doc!
by DolFan on Sep 17, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I went looking for comments on this b/c I was just amazed that the ref didn’t stop it. Herb or Big John would have b/c they care more about the safety of the fighters and not ratings. Fights are getting stopped later all the time and we will eventually see another serious injury or death that will set MMA back a few years.
by rolltideroll on Sep 17, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THE SHOW.
Rampage was funny, but I think the TUF show has run it’s course with me…that fight sucked ass. They should have had double the fighters and they should fight to get in the house, at least.
by sam on Sep 17, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions
There is always bad fights on TUF and HW talent is harder to find sam. I don’t think we will see a real good fight until Rampages team is down to it’s last three I like Rampage but he’s going to get his ass handed to him coaching against Evans and Jackson.
by Beaver on Sep 17, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage = Horrible Coach & complete ignorant moron! I hope he beats evens when they fight just for the fact that I know how bad machida will make rampage look. CANT WAIT!
by zeroecho on Sep 17, 2009 1:02 AM EDT reply actions
GET UP! STAND UP! SUBMIT HIM! Amazing. Rampage is my boy, but man is he dumb. Nice first fight pick, Rashad was laughing at his choice. Page actually said he just wanted the biggest fighters because size matters…
by Woody on Sep 17, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions
Kimbo Slice is the ultimate heavyweight. It is simple. He stares everyone down, then they shit their pants and tap, or in some cases tap then shit.
Unfortunately for Slice, Slow and noo ground game. nada ground.
As long as no one takes him down or punches him he should do just fine.
I predict Slice was a bargain-priced ratings booster.
by Loco on Sep 17, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions
what the hell was rampage thinking with those picks?can someone please tell me?
by joe daddy on Sep 17, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions
Anybody else think Kimbo looked uncomfortable through the whole team selection process? Almost……scared even?
by Crayze on Sep 17, 2009 6:26 AM EDT reply actions
What the heck was up with Mike Goldberg calling Kimbo a “legend” during a promo for TUF 10?!? Talk about selling out for a dollar…
by Tim D. on Sep 17, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions
It’s Goldberg, Dude! Goldberg says every fighter that steps into the “World Famous Octogon” is a legend somewhere in something or other or “one of the best in the world”. That’s why Rogan is always rolling his eyes.
GOLDY: Ramirez may look like he’s in trouble here, Joe, but let’s not forget that “El Patito” is one of the top Lucha Libre fighters in Papua New Guinea history!
ROGAN: Um…right. rolls eyes
GOLDY: Not to mention an absolute legend in Alpine Yodeling!
ROGAN: That he is.
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
There should be a link to that nasty gash in Abe’s head available somehere on the web. Anyone know?
by neeko on Sep 17, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions
“He starts with a cardio test and Marcus Jones starts clutching his heart like like Fred Sanford when he got a one-way ticket to Elizabeth” LMFAO!
Shaub is from the Jackson camp?
-thats my pick
by BudsyKind on Sep 17, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions
Abe should have never be in an octagon the fat guy should have at least thrown some combo’s at abe since abe was completely useless. If u ask me this is embarrassing for mma poor fighters poor coaching and if tank abott did walk in when he was in his prime he would batter most of these guys i think they are just cannon fodder for kimbo shauwb and nelson.
by THE ROAD WARRIOR noo nooow we go in! we go in! we kill them! on Sep 17, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, he’s very good at holding the cage with his long fingers and stomping on people’s jaws when they’re down. …unfortunately those things are surprisingly illegal in the civilized world. …although I think they should have made an exception when he fought Frank Mir.
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you. Even if you get your butt kicked on the ground you should atleast throw a punch or 2 to keep the guy from smashing your face so easily.
by BigE on Sep 18, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The fight last night proved that to be on the tuff show you do not need to know how to fight. How in the hell can you know you are going to be on a show for a UFC contract and not have ANY jiu-jitsu skills at all!!??? Guys I know that have done bjj for 6 months or less have better ground games than the two we just saw. Abe has zero Jits and the other guy had 10 minutes to pound a guy out who was cut open and doing nothing. He didn’t even throw a punch. I want to see a Tuff show that has 16 talented guys not 5. Team ROC REALITY OF COMBAT, IN North Carolina has better fighters than the Tuff shows.
by hatteras on Sep 17, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
shaub and nelson easily the best they need to stop putting rampage on as coach and rashad aint gona do fk all but what jackson tells him to do they allways say rampage hates training. And he brings tiki with him who never won a fight in the ufc. When we gona see gsp or bj as coaches so far chuck randy tito and bisping have been the best coaches. Wandy and vitor would be good coaches then set up thier rematch or they could bulk gsp up and do brazil vs canada with gsp vs vitor since no one at ww can beat gsp. The winner gets a crack at silva It would be good to watch a tuff season with the coaches having respect for each other like chuck and randy and see how well gsp does against a top middle weight like vitor because its time for him to step up nobody wants to see swick or kampman vs gsp but everyone wants to see either gsp or vitor vs silva.
by THE ROAD WARRIOR noo nooow we go in! we go in! we kill them! on Sep 17, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
sims is crap his fighting is just ugly only reason he is on tuff is because he is a idiot same reason they picked rampage as coach.
BRAZIL VS CANADA GSP VS VITOR TUFF 11 MAKE IT HAPPEN
by THE ROAD WARRIOR noo nooow we go in! we go in! we kill them! on Sep 17, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
I think they should get Wanderlei to coach:
WANDY: "Ju know, ju needs for to ponsh in da mouf for to him now dis one. Becauzh I am for me don’t likes to for him dat another one. And for him too he don’t like. ZhuZhitsu I have, but for him is I don’t have. Him is soobmizhon no. Ju can do, is too much I like!
KIMBO: “Whatchoo talkin’ bout, Willis!”
by shonuff on Sep 17, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
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