Fedor Emelianenko hits New York City for Strikeforce open media workout (Pics and video)

Same here NNR

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Yeah guys same prob, but tried using mozilla firefix instead and did pull up page fine! Fedor is still a PUSSY- Dont care anymore!! keep taking weak ass fights! next week he will ask to join the womens circuit!

what the hell are you guys talking about? Elbows on the ground are illegal in strikeforce.

Good post Dixon I agree Rogers was lucky to fight AA who was willing to stand and trade punches with AA still having many peaples respect as one of the best fighters Rogers cashed in and his status got inflated on Strikeforces side it’s a good move because there is a chance he’s not as good as many believe as his ground game has never really been tested by anyone good and he has only fought one so called top ten fighter in a stand up battle. I would of rather see Rogers fight Werdum and Overeem before he fought Fedor but like I said Strikeforce needs to cash in on his status now as Werdum is coming off a loss and Overeem doesn’t seem to want to fight in the US?

Werdum coming off a loss in the UFC that is.

Wasn’t it also just over a year ago when Rogers was calling out Kimbo??

From Kimbo to Fedor WOW that is like going from division 3 to the Premiership in a year. Fair play!!

FEDOR is going to kill ROGERS but that doesn’t prove anything except that he wants to look good by fighting lesser fighters in STRIKEFORCE and he’s a PU$$Y.

bet you Rogers would be a factor in the UFC Heavyweight division.

Yea I mean does it ever get old backing up a guy who is the “Greatest” Heavyeight out there yet he wont fight anyone that’s arguably in the top 5-7? The guy obviously doesn’t care about his fans to show them the fights they want so yea I pray he gets knocked out. I wouldn’t bet against him but I can pray he gets brutally KO’d

I admit he is one of the greatest heavyweights, but someimtes when I watch him, I kind of wonder why? Is the division really that shallow? He does have a good overall skillset, but when you break it down, it really isn’t all that amazing. His striking is not all that impressive. Good power, but looping punches and very little kicking. His wrestling is ok, but again, nothing to write home about. His BJJ is a bit better, but somewhat limited. His ground and pound is obviously very good, but is that really enough to make someone a candidate for best p4p fioghter in the world?

*sometimes
*fighter
It is late here. haha

You’re forgetting the Affliciton fighter….he goes by the name Fedor….which made the UFC roster 2nd rate.

Remember…he’s the guy Randy Couture left the UFC to fight.

fedor was the number 1 p4p fighter in the world, so when they joined the ufc, the best was in affliction. the ufc didn’t have one hw fighter in the p4p best. i’m saying if they wanted to test themselves, why join the ufc at the time when the best was in affliction, fedor.

fedor was the number 1 p4p fighter in the world, so when they joined the ufc, the best was in affliction. the ufc didn’t have one hw fighter in the p4p best. i’m saying if they wanted to test themselves, why join the ufc at the time when the best was in affliction, fedor.

last time there was an org with a better hw roster than the ufc, was 2003-2005~ and that was pridefc!~

back then it didn’t matter that fedor wasn’t in the top mma promotion[ufc] becasue he was whoopin tale in the best hw division[pride],

but now, or at some point, i feel fedor MUST fight in the top org[ufc] so he can retire on top..

i feel if he doesn’t fight for the ufc at one point of his career, he is risking the chance of having another fighter steal his “jordan esk” type career..

the ufc brings in the most promo~ and fedor needs the exposer before he;s done fighting..

do you not remember randy couture saying he wanted to fight fedor at the time because he wanted to fight the best before he retired? so if the ufc champion at the time was calling him the best, what credentials do you have to argue that?

I left him out of that comparison to compare guys in the UFC to Affliction division. But I also left out Mir who in my eyes is very under rated. But it does show the UFC HW division in terms of depth is alot better.

Should have left Brock off that list because he is champ and in my eyes the guy Fedor is running from.

I’m sorry but i don’t believe just becuase Fedor is in any particular division it automatically makes that division better then the UFC. Division is made up of many fighters (not just one) which i think the UFC talent trashed Afflictions and i’m not even going to compare Strikeforce and their 5 HW’s.

Fedor @ strikeforce is swimming with alot weaker fighters then he would in the UFC so i believe that means UFC HW division is better. IMO

hey dixon, rogers and big country were never in affliction. learn something about a subject before you post with ignorance. how long u been a mma fan? 2 weeks?
they were in elite xc at that time. write that down for reference in later postings.

I’ve been waiting for someone to make this point. A couple short years ago, Tim Sylvia ruled the UFC HW division. Whether we go back to PRIDE or Affliction, the UFC’s HW division was lackluster at best. If someone is indeed “a pussy” for doing what they deem as best for their career over fighting the supposed “top” guys, the label should be applied consistantly. This means that any HW that joined the UFC in the period that the UNDISPUTED top guy was not in the UFC are also pussies. Fair is fair.

Frankly, it’s all ridiculous. Anyone with an IQ above single digits should realize that sports are big business, and any athlete will make career decisions based on what they deem as in their best interests first. Some disappointment as fans over those decisions is OK, but there is NO ONE on this site that is privy to all the details that went into the decision. People need to grow up.

i’m not saying fedor isn’t running from brock. let’s face it, brock is 55 lbs heavier at fight time than fedor. that would be alot, nearly 25% of his bodyweight. you figure GSP is reluctant to move up 15 lbs, about 8% of his bodyweight, to fight silva. everyone is pissed fedor isn’t fighting someone 25% heavier than him but they all understand GSP’s reluctance to fight someone 8% heavier than him.

whats this P4P sh!t, that is a lot frictional rankings. IMO P4P doesn’t count for much as its opinion based, even if its done by the guys in the know how. But doesn’t UFC have more P4P fighters then any other organisation? So i’m not clear on your point.

If that is the case we should all be hanging off BJ Penn sack because he has clearly the best fighting skills in MMA. Just can’t deal with bigger guys as he is so small.

Randy is 47 and wanted to fight one last fight and that was against “in his eyes” the best, so that is why he left the UFC. Not to fight in a better division, i agree Fedor is the Best HW (Well i did)but that really doesn’t mean where ever he goes he is fighting the best competition. Randy would have fought him then retired so it was more for Randy to prove to himself not about who is better!

Why test themself? because after one fight everything else was pretty weak in affliction. In the end Affliction only had one fight to throw at Fedor i.e AA. Barnett was so scared he started juicing up and ruined it all.

Still you didn’t address buttcrack’s original point Dixon. When Fedor was in Affliction, they had more top ranked HW’s including the #1 P4P fighter in the world. Also at the time the #1 and #2 HW’s in the world. Yet no one gave Brock or anyone else any grief about “ducking” competition for not going to Affliction. You guys with your UFC double standards don’t get it.

Little longer then 2 weeks mate, but i’m still learning but the post still stands.

I was comparing the UFC division to that of Affliction and top fighters around, becasue i was trying to prove their division isn’t weak and in fact would have some very interesing fights for Fedor.

Be fair Rogers turned down the chance to fight in Affliction once Barnett was banned.

Ok with regards to Affliction having stronger division is just about acceptable becasue of AA and Barnett. But even with that division they could only feed Fedor once, so really doesn’t matter their quality.

IMO P4P is mainly opinion based and in the 12 months alot of changes have happened to the UFC HW division, especially as they have alot of up and coming fighters such as Brock, Carwin, Cain, Dos Santos…….. All these will elipse Barnett and AA. P4P only works for fighters that have been around for ages.

Don’t worry about them Dixon there’s no proving Fedor wrong with these guy’s he’s god to them and can not be beat even though he hasn’t faced a great fighter since NOG he has nothing to prove now Rogers is now to them one of the best HW in the world as so was AA to them and Tim Sylvia? I think the best pound for pound fighter in the world would beat Fedor and A.Silva isn’t even a HW but he could get up to 225 no problem Imagine that fight and how big it would be!! I guarantee besides Brock that would of been one of the fights for the UFC. NOG & Mir would beat any opponent Fedor has faced and Brock would destroy them it’s a fact that Fedor fans have a hard time swallowing.

i’m saying brock, carwin, dos santos, and cain joined the ufc when affliction clearly had the better hw division AT THAT TIME. not two years from now. al the ufc had was gonzaga, mir, and big nog. couture wasn’t even fighting for them at the time. those were the best 3 fighters the ufc had to offer. affliction had Fedor, barnett, and AA. who’s division was better in your opinion? the 4 guys you named weren’t in the ufc’s division until after they signed with the ufc. i’m saying why sign with the ufc if you really wanted to fight the best. affliction had 4 of the top 6 hw’s at the time these guys signed with the ufc, and the #1 p4p fighter overall.
  yes the ufc does have the most p4p fighters on the list of the top ten, but had none in the hw division when these guys signed on with the ufc.

sorry about the 2 week fan comment but i was getting frustrated by not getting an answer to my question. your answers have been about the hw division as it is today not two to 3 yrs ago, when affliction clearly had the better hw division, and all the guys you are naming signed on to fight in an inferior division at the time. .

NOG & Mir would beat any opponent Fedor has faced and Brock would destroy

no they wouldn’t, get real mir sucks and fedor beat nog twice so what does it matter if nog would beat anyone fedor fought, and he barely beat tim who you guys say is the worst fighter out there.

Totally agree 18months ago the UFC HW division was weak, well until Nog and the boys signed and Mir got fit. But Affliction hadn’t been around that long, had they? They had one show right? So even then i think UFC HW division was stronger then theirs.

I’m English fan that has been watching since UFC 40 Tito Vs Ken and since then been hooked to the point i have switch from Footy (soccer) to MMA. Watch as much as i can get my hands on and go on this site and junkie daily so i’m just an arm chair fan like the rest of you. Expressing my opinion.

Really they had two great fighters at the time NOG was a HW for the UFC the highly ranked AT THE TIME Cro Cop was in the division Mir who beat Sylvia was in the division Werdum was in the UFC and it was clearly growing any MMA fan realized that Dana was working on making the division stronger and not to mention it was and is the most watched MMA event hands down these fighters were wanted by us fans any so called ducking on there part is totaly false and not to mention Affliction even at the time job security for the fighters wasn’t so great.

I think Tim gets a bad rap actually, but it didn’t help UFC having him as their number one.

Just to close the subject (for me) I agree that when Affliction started UFC division was maybe slightly weaker BUT since then UFC division has got better and better and to even compare UFC HW’s to Strikeforce would be silly. And by the time Afflictions second show was booked IMO UFC HW division was already better.

i think brock would beat fedor, just because of his sheer size and strength not because he’s a better fighter. to understand this, bj penn would be at less of a disadvantage jumping 2 weight classes to fight a.silva, than fedor would be fighting brock in the same weight class. gsp could fight fedor at his current fight weight and be at less of disadvantantage. gsp and bj would be at around a 20% disadvantage whereas fedor would be at a 25% disadvantage against brock. this is all based off their fightweights in their own divisions. bj at 165 come fighttime gsp 188, silva 200-203 when fighting middleweight, fedor at 230 and brock at 283-285.

Sho Mir beat Sylvia too and would beat AA and has beat NOG the fact that you think he sucks is clearly just an opinion you can say what you want about NOG not being himself but at the end of the day it’s still a win for Mir and a loss for NOG who Fedor earned his number one ranking by and has held on to that glory and ranking ever since barnett would of finally been a worthy fighter to face Fedor but that’s done with now.

I think your right there buttcrack the weight advantage is a big advantage especially for a MMA wrestling based fighter that’s why I think the best fight for fedor in the UFC to see who the pound for pound king is would be A.Silva who can get close to 230 and machida who can get there too those would be great fights!!

so you guys think mir, nog, and crocop, was abetter stable than fedor,barnett, and aa? if you do thats cool, i just wanna understand the reasoning. but if you want to join an organization and fight the best why nog,and crocop when fedor already beat both, why not fight him when he is obviously better than both, hence the wins against both. mir is alright, but he is not elite.

I think Mir is looking good, and his BJJ is brilliant but time will prove us right

I think Nog Mir and Cro Cop is better then Barnett and AA not Fedor though. even 12months ago i would say that.

So can i ask quickly if you were Fedor and you saw

UFC: Nog, Mir, Cro Cop, Couture (Still contracted to UFC)
Vs
Affliction: AA and Barnett

you would have chosen Affliction?

Saying the guys (cain, carwin etc) are pussies for signing for UFC over Affliction is silly because like all sportsman 99% are attracted by money and i can imagine the exposure and financial package offered would have been better @ UFC.

i just get pissed when everyone says he don’t wanna fight the best when he ruled the best hw division back in the day, and all these guys everyone is calling the best up and comers all signed w/ the ufc when there was better competition AT THAT TIME in affliction. i just believe it is unreasonable to ask a guy to fight a guy 25% heavier than him when we don’t even expect someone like gsp to fight at an 8% disadvantage. no disrespect to gsp, he’s unbelievable, just pointing out how hard it is to fight at such a disadvantage.

Agreed he had already fought them so i can understand it more a year ago signing for Affliction but the recent decision blows my mind.

couture wasn’t fighting for them at that time and he already beat the better two of the other three. and your last point proves mine, it doesn’t mean fedor is a pussy either. if it makes fedor a pussy for not signing with the ufc now, then it makes them pussies for not signing with affliction then. fedor didn’t sign with affliction, he was under contract to m1 global who set up a contract with affliction.

i’m glad we are seeing things a little better now! we don’t totally agree but i understand a little more of your argument

doesn’t really blow my mind. Dana always blasts him for freakshow bouts then wants him to fight a monster 25% heavier than him with a wrestling background for less money than strikeforce is offering to fight people his own size. i would love to see a new weight class in the ufc around 225 or 230 lb limit and a 16 man tourney to decide the first champion.YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, DANA! MAKE THAT SH!T HAPPEN!

But when he ruled back in the day NOG, Cro Cop & Barnett were the best HW he never faced Barnett he had NOG’s number but they had good fights and he also had good fights with Cro Cop besides those guy’s there is nothing that warrants a fighter getting such high praise his record is only half the story basically he has only beat two top 5 fighters in his life and I don’t count AA or Tim as top five fighters I think it’s pretty obvious Tim’s & AA both fighters weakness were exposed in the UFC before they left and Fedor got the scraps. And I don’t think Fedors punch was lucky he knew if he connected it was lights out and looked much like Henderson’s punch overhand right that he attempted at least three or four times before the KO knowing if he lands a solid shot AA would be rattled at the very least.

@buttcrack – I can understand where you’re coming from, but I would counter two things you say.

First: “…he ruled the best hw division back in the day…” Regardless of which camp you’re in regarding Fedor’s opponents (ie- a lot of cans mingled with some good fighters as supported by their overall win/loss records vs. some very good fighters at the time they fought Fedor), the idea here is that people (and Fedor as well) perpetuate the idea that he is the top p4p and HW fighter in the world. If that idea is to continue to be valid, he needs to fight the up and coming crop of fighters who are good now. Resting on his laurels will not do it imo.

  Put aside for a moment the fact that Brock signed with the UFC before Affliction was founded…Giving people like Brock and Carwin a pass for signing with the UFC rather than another org is not nuthugging. Neither Brock or Carwin, when they entered MMA, were being hailed as the greatest of all time; but Fedor was at the time of his chance to sign with a new org recently. Brock and Carwin had little to live up to in comparison to Fedor and so choosing a more stable organization in the UFC, even with less-formidable competition at the time, is understandable. To quote an overused cliche, to be the best you have to beat the best. At that starting point in Brock/Carwin’s careers it made more sense that they’d be fighting the best eventually over a longer period of time in the UFC. UFC had just bought Pride and had a larger talent pool.

Second: “i just believe it is unreasonable to ask a guy to fight a guy 25% heavier than him when we don’t even expect someone like gsp to fight at an 8% disadvantage.”

While it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, I would say the big difference between the GSP and Fedor comparison is that GSP would be moving up in official weight class to fight Silva; whereas Fedor is in the same weight class as Brock…it’s just unfortunate that Brock is a beast that will end up outweighing most of his opponents. If Fedor doesn’t like it, let him fight at 205.

great post dakatak

I’m sure Machida and Silva would both move up to 225 or even 230 to fight Fedor now that would be a couple wicked fights?

dak, fedor fighting lesnar would be like gsp fighting someone 235 lbs. he would have to fight randy, nog or someone their size to be equal to the disadvantage fedor would have against brock. gsp could fight fedor and be at less of a disadvantage sizewise. gsp would have to jump 3 weight classes to equal that. i think that is alot to ask any fighter. i think brock would beat him 8 out of 10 times. my point is these weight classes are outdated.

“nobody really has a clue how good Rodgers is coz he hasn’t had his back to the wall and been truely tested”

I thought you were talking about Brock for a second there. My Bad.

Yeah, he’s only beaten 2x HW champion Mir and 3x HW champion Couture. Of course he hasn’t been tested.

Congratulations on not answering my question intro!

PW…

You are basing Brock’s success on beating Couture? Couture is 16-9 and has never beaten a quality HW. If Tim was a waste of skin and Fedor’s demolition of him in 36 seconds means nothing, then you may as well erase Randy Couture’s decision over him out of the record books, because even though Randy’s fight with him is pretty much his crowning jewel…it don’t mean shit. Which in turn makes Brock’s win over Randy worthless.

How are Carwin and Cain better opponents for Fedor than Rogers attakdog? Would you have a problem with him fighting one of those guys if he was in the UFC? I mean they all have very similar resumes.

Why are you jumping on me diceman? Did I mention Cain or Carwin???? I merely disagreed with intro’s statement that Rodgers would give any UFC HW a run for their money, based on the fact that none of us really know how good he is. I’ve never said a bad word about Rodgers, kids got potential but I need to see more than a flash knocdown of AA before I start to swing from his nuts. FTR I’m not a fan of either Carwin or Cain.

Not jumping on you just asking some questions, relax. I’m just trying to deduce something here. The UFC’s #1 contender, Carwin, has a very similar resume to Rogers. Not only that, but they are both huge guys with brutal KO power. So if Carwin is one of the top guys in the UFC, and him and Rogers are so similar, I’m thinking that Rogers would be able to hang with pretty much anyone in the UFC HW division. That’s what I was getting at. I’ve been reading a lot of talk about how stacked the UFC’s HW division is, but most of the guys are as unproven as Rogers.

And FTR I don’t swing from Rogers nuts. I think he’s a big guy that has the potential to be a really good fighter. Same as Carwin, I think they’re both unproven.

I aint happy about Carwin be ranked number 1 contender. I think he’s been rushed out as an anti-Boogeyman Brock figure, because he put himself front and centre in denouncing Brocks antics the day after 100. I wouldn’t have had a problem with him being challenger if he beat Cain like he was supposed to. I think he’s still untested, we haven’t seen him on the ground with someone pounding on him, or having to fend off submission attempts or having to hang with a top notch striker either. So I’m not sure whether Barney Carwin would give all the UFC HW’s a run for their money, same as I’m unsure about Grimm.

Ok, well just out of curiosity who do you think would be a better opponent for Brock right now? Or do you think the belt should have been held up until after Cain and Carwin fought? Anyways, I don’t think the Brock-Carwin fight or the Fedor-Rogers fight is terrible. I don’t think they’re the fights we all dream of, but they’re intriguing to me anyways.

K-Dog,

Agreed 100%. Carwin was definitely pushed to the front of the HW line based more on hype and “fan appeal”.

For the record, though, I think he would have destroyed Cain but your point still stands.

As for Grimm, he is no different, just in another org.

Stinks, but it is what it is.

I’d probably have held it up, or given him Nog if he got past Randy. That’d be another huge name for Brock to fight and generate a lot of interest.

Yeah, I thought you might say Nog. I think if he gets past Randy he’s probably next in line. The UFC was kind of in a tough spot to find a replacement to keep Brock from sitting around too long. I guess they thought they could make the most money off a Carwin fight right now.

Yeah probably and they got to save Cain for a rainy day.

Exactly. This site has more UFC blind followers than all the other sites combined.

There are other good HW fighters out there not in the UFC.

Rogers will be a lot tougher than people think.

All 3 of them would hang with the UFC guys.

Buentello is a stretch, I admit it…but Werdum would hang with all of them besides maybe Brock.

You know damn well you’d be tuning in to watch Rogers face any UFC HW on their roster.

If Werdum could hang with the UFC fighters he would still be in the UFC.

Lol, exactly P-Dub.

i say all the ufc heavyweights fight cans because they were too scared to join affliction and fight the best. brock said he wanted to fight the best in the world but joined the ufc when the best heavyweight division was in affliction at the time, same with carwin, dos santos, etc. grow the f*ck up! they all go where they think they are going to get paid the most. not because of who is there. except for maybe couture, he wanted to go fight fedor because the ufc really had no challengers for him back in the day, but everyone knocks on him for wanting to fight the best opponent available, saying he was only doing it for the money. you guys are gonna b!tch no matter what. so get off fedors ass, i don’t hear you guys complaining that everyone else joined the ufc to dodge him. apparently none of them wanted to fight the best. they all joined an inferior hw division at the time so they wouldn’t have to face him.

Werdum was 2-2 in the UFC….

Loss Junior dos Santos
Win Brandon Vera
Win Gabriel Gonzaga
Loss Andre Arlovski

Wins over Vera and Gonzag, but you still call him a “can”?

I guess Vera and Gonzaga are “cans” too then huh? Doesn’t say much for the UFC’s LHW and HW roster’s then does it?

c’mon, pw~ we all know werdum was cut premature..

werdum is definitely not a can!~ i got him ranked just outside the top 10~ maybe around 12 or 13..

bin laden,

+20

I agree with ya stink!

i don’t think the guys in the ufc are cans really, just saying that you can’t say fedor is a pussy for not signing w/ the ufc when their fighters had the opportunity to sign with affliction when he was there, and they had the best division.

Werdum’s UFC credentials: Going into Leites mode against AA; humping his way to a decision over a LHW; good win over Gonzaga; ass-end of a Dos Santos highlight reel.

@buttcrack,

While Brock is quite a physical specimen, I don’t think even he’s capable of time travel. How was he going to sign with Affliction if he had already signed with the UFC before Affliction was founded?

so true?? ……..?what~

brockness’ notable wins

randy
mir
herring

-losing once.

~fedor’s notable wins

aa
tim
nog
cro cop
coleman~ twice

-undefeated

brocks career start is definitely impressive though!

I agree with Stinky.

I’m not going to bash Brock’s start, but come the fuck on, people….he’s 4 and 1 against guys that Fedor would eat for breakfast.

Fedor is 30-1*….

You guys are brutal.

If Brock keep winning as a HW champ for the next 2 years… well, then he will be the HW with the better resume than anyone in any organisation b/c of the level of competition that he would have face during that laps of time.

sure, alpha, that is if fedor loses with in the next 2 yrs as well..

the thing is we have no clue what 2 yrs will bring.

sure brock has the potential to be the best, but c’mon guys, the guy is still new!~

fedors been around!~

Alpha Male,

If Brock does that…great, I would probably agree….if the UFC has quality compeition. I’m not bashing their roster, but all of their guys would get killed by Fedor.

True Stink, and I’m not saying that Brock will be better than Fedor skills wise, but only that he will have a better resume than him, in comparison of the # of top 10 opponents that they both would have face in their career.

That’s alot of “ifs”, Alpha.

And i’m saying this b/c Werdum and Rogers are not true top 10 contenders IMO.

no doubt, alph!~ brocks a prospect..

but, alot can happen in two yrs..

But don’t worries guys I don’t see Fedor lose against any of his future opponents. Maybe If he fight Big Foot or Barnett but I don’t even see him losing against my boy Overeem.

Werdum is on the fringe (probably 12-14), I agree…but Rogers is certainly top 10 (around 7-9). Based on the fact that top ten lists are pretty much all over the place, I think you’re splitting hairs here to bump up UFC fighters.

JMHO

True Stink!

….and to discredit the SF guys.

i got grimm ranked around 10~

maybe 9 or 10..

Damn,I don’t know what did happen with my post but I was saying… not at all Intro. I always said that Rogers as not footworks , a horrible sloppy stand up, and from what I heard he’s got no ground game also. And I really believe that he’s a can. But before that you flame me for saying this…I got to say that I’m saying the same thing about Carwin and Valasquez. You know me I have no preference of any org. I love all the orgs. I’m just stating the facts like I see them.

But even if I consider Carwin or Valasquez cans, b/c they are in the UFC peoples will argue that they are true top 10 and better competition than Werdum and Rogers.

But even if I consider Carwin or Valasquez cans, b/c they are in the UFC peoples will argue that they are true top 10 and better competition than Werdum and Rogers.

The problem here, Introvert, is you keep saying fedor would destroy this guy and that guy in the UFC, but we will never know because that big stinky sweaty communist b*tch won’t get in the cage and prove it. All you have is opinion and conjecture.

Matt Lindland, Hong Man Choi, Zuluzinhio, Mark Hunt, all HW legends of course!!!

“Matt Lindland, Hong Man Choi, Zuluzinhio, Mark Hunt, all HW legends of course!!!”

Yes, ignore his best accomplishments and name a few “cans”….typical UFC sheep post. BTW, if you add one more guy on that list you’d have as many fights and as much as Brock Lesnar has accomplished his entire career.

lol,~

burn ;)

The classic sheep quote, where would you be without that one intro??? That’s like your “go to” phrase when the going gets tough.

Coz I am a massive UFC sheep intro aren’t I? I’ve joined you in bashing Dana so many times that I’ve been accused by some on this site of being you!!

Get some new material intro, the sheep sh!t’s just tired.

what else can the guy say, kdog?

u bring no valid point to this debate..

intro has given facts, and yet u still bring nothing.

not being rud, but just read the block of comments~ pw made a dumb remark and u jumped on his side..

You’re saying that wasn’t a sheep type of post?

It certainly was.

Intro you truely are running on empty nowadays, sad!

kdog~ with all due respect, what valid points have u brought to this debate?

pw made a silly comment, you agreed and intro defended his points with facts?

scroll through the block of comments and see for yourself..

;)

don’t ask me why i put a question mark after facts..

cause i don’t know~

Thanks stinky…these guys don’t have facts. All they got is “the UFC HW’s are better, because they are in the UFC”…and, “Fedor fights ‘cans’, because he’s not in the UFC”….no facts, just “UFC, UFC, UFC…”

This isn’t a hate on UFC thing for me (regarding the HW’s)…I just don’t think they can claim their HW’s are better than anyone else’s based on who their best have beaten…….it’s that simple.

I happened to agree with P-Dubs comments so I told everyone so and brought up some of the great fighters Fedor has fought these past couple of years stink, not saying my posts are any better than anyone elses.

My beef is with intro. I always used to enjoy debating with you intro. I didn’t agree with you that often but I always respected the way you’d argue your case no matter how ludicrous it was without ever resorting to insults. Now anyone who disagrees with you is instantly labelled a “UFC sheep”, which is ridiculously weak debating on your part, especially when it’s aimed at me, that’s one thing I can never be accused of being.

not to defend intro like im his girl, lol,

but i bet it must be getting a little played out, that everyone thinks the man hates the ufc and is only bashing it everytime he posts~

it must be frustrating!~

the dood does bring quality debates.. shoot something back at him!~

not to defend intro like im his girl, lol,

but i bet it must be getting a little played out, that everyone thinks the man hates the ufc and is only bashing it everytime he posts~

it must be frustrating!~

the dood does bring quality debates.. shoot something back at him!~

I tried above stink about Rodgers, wasn’t interested, rather insult Lesnar instead. Waste of time.

and for the record!~

imo!~ i think pw’s post was a pure “sheep type” of post.

not saying u guys are sheep, but maybe mad at fedors choice, and feel the need to back the ufc!~

i do respect both u and pw, but we all know that fedors last 5yrs dwarfs brocks last 3ry!~

IMO it doesn’t stink, that’s why I agreed with P-Dub. Just my opinion, doesn’t make me a “UFC sheep”.

I think Intro’s “UFC sheep” line is snarky but not disrespectful.

Its like me using “Truth” or VM’s “Huggie Bear” or even K-Dog’s “better chances of getting a bucket full of sh!t from a rocking horse.”

Its boring when everybody agrees, anyway.

In defense of PW, he is Brock’s #1 fan so he will (of course) defend the UFC to the death.

Nothing wrong with that either.

Good debate guys, don’t get bent out of shape and keep contributing!

Rah, rah, focken rah!

My point throughout all of the Fedor nonsense is this: How can he be considered the No. 1 anything if he isn’t fighting the best fighters?

Let’s say for the sake of argument that fedor is the No. 1 fighter in the world right now. I’m a little iffy on this point, but obviously a very strong case can be made, and I’ll concede it. That leaves fighters 2-10 in the world. How many of those 9 are in UFC and how many are in SF? 7-2? 8-1? There is no way that anyone can argue that SF has a better pool of challengers. Fedor waded into the shallow end and avoided the better competition, including the one guy who is best equipped to take him out.

As MMA fans I think we sometimes get caught up in the association of a level of talent based on emotions or a name-recognition. Fighters undeserved frequently get reps and hype from fan due to one or two moments (Gonzaga head-kick to CroCop anyone?). That rep sticks (good or bad) when we try to debate this elusive concept of who’s best…especially the p4p argument.

Really the only way to settle it is for these guys to fight each other, but even then that will just tell us who was better at that point in time.

Just for grins I took a look at the weighted average winning percentages for Fedor and Brock’s opponents. Nothing super scientific, just for curiosity’s sake. Fedor’s opponents sport a 56% win rate, while Brock’s is 63%. This doesn’t take into account of how good someone was when they faced these two, though as Brock proved you can lose and learn and then beat the same guy.

Again, not saying this makes a case for or against either of them, but it is interesting to view their opponents’ body of work when chasing the dream of determining which of the HWs is best.