well see, its not like i think its a easy pick and the favorite is going to be machida deservingly but i think shogun will pull it out.

Actually, all BS out of the way…

I think Shogun has an excellent chance.

How good is he now? That’s the big question…

yeah i don’t know if shogun is ready yet i think he could have used another fight before trying to take on someone like machida but well see what happens

With all due respect to Shogun, I don’t even think this is going to be close.

But with those -500 odds on Machida, I don’t blame anybody for sprinkling a little something on Shogun (insert urine-related jests here).

shogun all the way….machida has a couple highlight reel wins and suddenly he’s indestructable? shogun has being doin that his entire career…

not taking anything away from machida, but too many people on this site never even typed the letters “m a c h i d a” in a row before the evans fight…

i think gaygard would destroy him personally

the shogun of old, this would be a great fight. i think style wise machida wins. but if shogun comes in like the shogun in the pride days he could steal it. i think he may be to predictable for machida. i think its an unpredictable unorthodox striker that would fair the best against machida.

i really don’t see him getting blown out by machida, but you never know with him. i would be surprized if he takes him out quick though.

yeah, it won’t happen.. Shogun is too fast and too technical to make stupid mistakes and give Machida the chance to finish him-

Shogun isn’t that technical, RoB. He drops his hands, reaches in too much, and throws wide, looping shots. He is skilled, powerful, reasonably fast, and tough. But technical? Not really.

He did look a little more disciplined in the Liddell fight, but once he falls behind he will start throwing desperate bombs, and that is exactly what Lyoto wants. You thought Rashad was going to destroy Machida as well, don’t keep making the same mistakes buddy.

Like I said on an old post Shogun can win this but not if he is the Shogun from pride days (health wise maybe) as he will play right into Machida’s hands. He needs to be really focused not to make any mistakes and ready to pounce whenever he sees his chance.

Rushing Machida is a silly thing to do as we all know and I don’t think we have seen the best Machida yet either but I just hope Shogun comes in with the right gameplan and prepares perfectly then he can definitely win this one. Counting out Shogun in this one is crazy and I would bet a lot of people change their attitude if he did.

I have been singing Machida’s praises since day one when everyone on here used to say he was boring. I always knew he had that special something but I just hope he loses this one as I have been a Shogun fan for too long to not root for him and would love nothing more than to see him get the belt.

It also makes for much more interesting title fights in the future if Shogun has the belt with possible rematches with Rampage, Forrest, Hendo or best of all Anderson!! Then by the time Machida gets back to a rematch I would be happy for whoever to win. I just want Shogun to take it this time.

good post, i am picking shogun but am not stupid enough to think that loyota is not the favorite or that he is not very dangerous. giving shogun no chance seems pretty far fetched to me.

Let’s put it this way ladies and gents…

If this was 2004, Shogun would win. 2009-onwards, it’s Machida. Got it?

The 2009 Machida would pick apart the 2004 Shogun as well. MMA striking has evolved. Shogun’s chute-box uber-aggressive Muay Thai simply leaves him too exposed to counters from a fighter with the timing, speed and accuracy of Lyoto.

That brawling style worked great against guys who didn’t have the educated striking pedigree and natural talent of guys like Lyoto and Anderson. Bum-rushing either of these dudes is an express ticket to unconsciousness.

shogun by tko in the second

Intro I expected better from you, usually you make intelligent points (Dana bashing aside but as someone who has nothing good to say about fighters/personalities that he hates I can’t talk) but bashing Machida for being boring mate you should know better. Lyoto is a smart fighter and doesn’t take unneccessary risks, he actually thinks about what he is doing rather than diving in recklessly and that style has proven to be the most effective striking strategy in MMA, as Machida and Andy’s success proves. I know you like Shogun but you don’t need to resort to the mindless sniping that you’d expect from the drunken “stand and bang” fans, you’re better than that.

I’m looking forward to Machida outclassing Shogun, right now Lyoto is hitting his prime and Rua has not looked the same fighter since his time in Pride. I’m still not convinced by Rua’s cardio and as good as his striking looked against Liddell, he will have a much tougher time hitting nevermind KO’g Lyoto while wrestling has never been Shogun’s strength so I don’t see him taking down Machida, especially if Tito couldn’t, but on the off chance that he does then Machida has the BJJ to neutralise Shogun’s. This is Lyoto’s fight to lose and I’ll be amazed if he does.

Everything jj is saying is 110% true. Machida is going to convincingly take this. And I h8 to count a guy out, but just like Randy/Nog this weekend, I will not be sweating it the whole fight. Or til it. Randy saturday. Machida @104

what i’m saying is that Shogun won’t give anything away and that will make this fight a little harder for Lyoto.. Shogun’s better than Thiago Silva and Rashad standing, and probably better than any fighter Machida has actually fought standing in MMA ever…

Yeah, he probably is the best striker Machida has faced. But as far as styles go, I think Rashad’s was more likely to succeed against Lyoto than Shogun’s.

Let’s say the old ShoGun from 04-05 comes out of those opponents has any of them have the style or ability to avoid strikes like Machida and has Machida faced someone with the aggression speed and power or the 04-05 Shogun. If Shogun comes out as his old self I still give the edge to Machida who’s style is a designed well for against a aggressive striker like Sho Gun and Machida will have a effective strategy for any Muay thai attempts I’m sure. If the later Sho Gun Shows up I can’t see him lasting much more than a round.

Lyoto is gonna’ blow shogun out… without a doubt… sorry Shogun fans but I think JJ’s above comments about Machida’s technical superiority over Shogun are spot on.

I’d say Sam Greco and Michael McDonald are the best strikers Machida has faced in MMA, but he didn’t stand with them all day though.

They’re both still K-1 level strikers though.

i dont think a technical striker is the type of fighter to beat machida. he seems to know whats coming next. i see someone with skills like hendo doing the job. someone who could get him up on the cage and tire him out, but also has alot of power. now i do not think hendo would beat him simply b.c hendo gets overeager in the standup. if he just laid back and waited for the moment to get machida against the cage and throw some hard hits he would be good. in the tito fight machida didnt look comfortable up against the cage but tito doesnt have the greco skills to keep him there.

once again not saying hendo could do it just saying i see that as the best way to beat him. that is the only place thus far i have seen him look uncomfortable

Lets say the Shogun from April 15th of 2004 comes out against say, the Machida of July 2009, then it is pretty obvious who will win and there is no argument. Yet if the Shogun of December 2005 comes out vs the Machida of summer 2008 then we will have a UFC from like February 2007 taken place at the end of October 2009, setting up a grudge match in January 2010.

phil, you are right my friend. I think Tito’s done the best against him, and someone who could do the same and better would obviously have a good chance against him.. when Tito got to him in the 3rd Machida was exhausted

It speaks to Machida’s awesomeness that the fighter you guys think did the best against him was completely embarrassed and outclassed for three rounds.

I am with Roy, and JJ. Shogun will not last that long. Machida will win this and I will put $ on him.

how did Tito do the best against him? Because he lasted all three rounds (many have done that against Machida) or because he got a lucky triangle on him at the end of the fight? Tito was destroyed in that fight. And I agree with JJ about Shogun not being technical..everyone saying that the Shogun of 2004 would beat Machida are worng IMO…the sport has evolved and that aggressive style will only get him in trouble against a counter-striker like Machida.

NO he wasn’t getting destroyed anywhere! If he would have done that then he would’ve done what Houston Alexander did to Jardine or what Wanderlei did to Jardine, putting it on your opponent constantly, like Ortiz on K.Shamrock is what destroying your opponent is.

Back to Ortiz/Machida, the only good shot Machida landed in that fight was the knee that gave him the last round, cause Tito was CLEARLY winning the 3rd round up until that, and IMO they were both equally close to finish eachother in that round so it could have gone to Tito, IMO..
Machida was also breathing heavy after the fight and Joe Rogan just went – “Man, I wish this was a 5-rounder!”

good thing about Tito is also that he had the right gameplan, and wasn’t afraid to go to the ground with him even if he had to drop to his back for it..

no one has had a close fight against machida but in the tito fight when tito got him against the fence machida didnt look comfortable. thats my point, tito showed that the machida does have a weakness and that is against the cage. a good greco guy i think could pose the biggest threat. they would have to fight their fight and keep it on the fence

Well now that he’s proven that he has serious power then it makes it that much harder to close distance on him. But from a technical standpoint, all the mistakes that shogun makes when he strikes will be nothing but fodder for Chida. I’ve said it many times – Him and Anderson strike like true world class strikers. Everyone else throws practiced and drilled combos that are childplay for them. No feints, head movements, body movement while keeping strong base, ect… They left that phase of their striking long long ago.

My point is that at this time guy just better start diving for TDs and clawing away at their legs to get it done on the mat.(which is hard enough since both have proven to be high level; machida has beaten BJJ world champion in straight grappling.) Shogun has a proven to have a solid leg game -maybe get it done imanari style!!!

Great posts Ca$z and NNR!

LOL @ JeremyJackscan.

well, NNR, not everybody closes the distance like Rashad and Thiago Silva does (coming in with hands down and no head movement) there’s this thing called boxing defense!

and there are guys with more punching power than Machida, it’s just that his timing and angles are so perfect..

“not everybody closes the distance like Rashad and Thiago Silva does (coming in with hands down and no head movement)” The funny thing about this RoB is… that is exactly what Machida does!

Machida has head movemen, it’s just not standard boxing/kickboxing head movement, it’s more north/south. And his deep stance protects him. It gives the illusion that he is right there to be hit, but every time you try, you JUST miss… and get cracked a couple times for your trouble.

You are right sir, but he will get tag one day, though I saw him getting hit on the chin before and he just shrug it off! He doesn’t have a weak chin for sure!

RoB said: “good thing about Tito is also that he had the right gameplan, and wasn’t afraid to go to the ground with him even if he had to drop to his back for it..”

LOL, yeah that was an awesome strategy, RoB. The ole’ “get caught in the ribs with a flying knee and collapse on the mat like a sack of potatoes” maneuver. Brilliant really, I’m surprised we don’t see it more often. You’re hilarious brother.

;-)

LMAO!
RoB’s a gold mine of hilarious quotes!

u guys are certainly wrong on this one…machida will not outclass shogun…not in his lifetime…I cant wait for this fight to happen..to shut all the pretenders on here

I guess you’re covered either way gaara, ’cause if Shogun does get destroyed you can just claim the fight was fixed a la Anderson/Forrest, right?

;-)

You must have missed the Rashad fight.

Point to OJR.

And the Silva fight.

or the thiago fight or the franklin fight or any of his other fights in which he toss his opponents around like chumps and drops them at least once from strikes. just because he didn’t finish all of his fights doesn’t mean he couldn’t have.

Keep hating introvert. You might as well say Rashad only lays and prays, even though its obvious to everyone that he has shed that image several fights ago by standing and making fights exciting.

Yea Introvert, let’s watch those other organization events instead with a Diaz vs a nobody, or a Sheilds vs a nobody, or a nobody vs a nobody. Those are much more entertaining. I’m with you…

What is wrong with a guy who uses his smarts to avoid being hit? Do you only like guys who “stand and bang”? I heard you did Intro. There is no pleasing some people.

goddamn that’s pretty funny, man

Oh yeah it’s only a shitty fight if you have no clue about MMA Machida will eat your stand and bang guys for breakfast. Maybe you should check out kickboxing you may like that INTROVERT

ISKA Karate or a Pac-Man fight would be perfect for you…

Wow…you guys are pretty bitter today.

For what it’s worth, I do like K-1 better than MMA.

Although you guys can save the “you have no clue about MMA” comments (april)….it’s warrior talk at it’s best. Nothing like a keyboard warrior telling a guy who trains in multiple disciplines that he knows nothing about MMA. People that type that stuff do nothing but display douchebaggery at it’s finest.

Fuck that, head down to the local night club and sit in the parking lot with some popcorn at closing time. You’ll see some really shitty fighters “stand and bang” until one of them gets knocked out. Then you can watch their pussy friends jump in until they get tasered by the cops. Good times.

Intro-

You are up there with john g and kevin.

People love to hate you, man.

Meh…I couldn’t care less, the only thing that gets to me is the “you know nothing about MMA” stuff…..it’s so lame.

Like one guy watching tv is all of a sudden an expert on MMA, because he knows who the favourite fighters are lol.

you know nothing about MMA…..

K1 pwns MMA

no such thing as a boring K1 fight

LOL.

I agree with you, I am just trying to be objective w/o being an obnoxious Machida nuthugger.

your right machida is the easy pick, but you have to take into account 2 back to back acl surgeries for shoguns cardio and prior to that he was considered the best lhw, no excuses for this one as far as his health.

1st round knockout if Shogun attempts to strike with him.

there is no dout that shogun will strike with him, well see who wins.

What Slim just said.

When is the last time Coleman didn’t make his opponent look bad? Never. And Shogun had some pretty good reasons for not fighting up to snuff in his first few UFC fights. He is back though, and I say Machida will get tagged and fall to his knees as fast as OJR does when Dana enters the room.

Hahahaha!

lol

Intro,

I think you miss DW alot.

:)

So, how do you personally know Shogun is back? I mean, he hasn’t exactly proven anything in the cage. Saying “he’s back” doesn’t make it so. Machida has consistently improved his game, becoming damn near unbeatable in his last 2-3 fights. Shogun is on a steady decline and each one of his UFC fights displays that, from Forrest on.

how do you know he is unbeatable?

Shogun is on a steady decline and each one of his UFC fights displays that, from Forrest on.?

forrest-loses
coleman- wins looks like shit
chuck-wins and looked better

how is that a steady decline?

Look like an incline to me, roy.

+1

quoting introvert: when was the last time coleman didn’t make his opponent look bad…never! (or something equally sharp)..

how about the fedor fight? I don’t recall thinking “gee, fedor looks really bad as he beats the living sh*t out of coleman”

btw i know it’s been said before but you really do know dick about mma.

prob machida at 104 but one of the most exciting fight prospects for a while (anderson silva vs rua would be even more exciting i think.)
randy at 102… hope i’m wrong but can’t help feeling that big nogs best days are past. gotta love him though!

Why? do they surf here too? :)

testing 1,2,3

i would say that its safe pick to bet on machida but don’t underestimate shogun, yeah he hasn’t looked great but he went through back to back acl surgeries. machida looks untouchable till someone touches him than you will be able to see it.shogun has great striking and i think he will strike with machida and well see who goes down.i can understand people thinking machida is going to win(and he might) but shogun will be the toughest guy he has fought in my book.

I really hope this fight is competitive. Nothing worse that paying $55 for a shit*y fight. I would like to see how Machida deals with the adversity of someone getting the better of him for a round. I doubt it will happen, but back and forth wars are the best.

thats all i am hoping for i would hate to see shogun or machida go out fast.i am sure loyota will be ready i hope shogun will be too.

Not me! I sincerely hope its a slaughterfest for my money. If I could have my way, it’d be what I feel it will be anyways.

Total domination. I kno it may not be Spider/Forrest like’ but that’s the dream.

I want no doubt after, I don’t want any if’s or anything.

Kill him Dragon

its a deal

Its ‘loses’ not ‘looses’ just for future reference lastat. Kinda a pet peeve of mine sorry. Every1 on this site does that.

And I’m down, ill remember what you and Roy said cause I’m in 100% agreement. Dragon will win hands down.

And Roy comments lots so ill be back to say sorry if I’m wrong, or wait til Roy does when he is wrong. Which will happen.

Side note Ralphie hasn’t been back since calling me and many losers etc for saying Spider will embarass Forrest. And us saying we’d remember his name. Hmmmm

Brad Pitt in Troy: “And that is why no one will remember your name”.

LOUD NOISES!!!!

SHOGUN IS GUNA WIN 4 SURE ! DONT KNOW HOW MAYBE KO, MAYBE DECISION. & NO 1 IS GUNA THROW SHOGUN AROUND! JUST ASK QUINTON BUMPAGE JACKSON!

AAAHhHHHHHH AGAIN!!!

THIS IS HOW I TALK. I CAN WAKE THE NEIGHBORS BY TYPING!!!

HA Ha No prob Daniel, I guess I was typing too fast , I’m sure it’ll happen again since english is my second language lol

oh cool, let me guess, FRENCH???

GO GSP whether im right or wrong on ur 1st language

couldn’t care less. It’s a pet peeve of mine. LOL. If someone could care less it means they care somewhat.

lol dammit Jay i used the pet peeve thing just above.

mine is loose instead of lose. veryone does it

• if he loses not looses
• loosen ur grip
• this could add to his losses not looses
   
  etc and so on. and ya i did care i guess.

good on u. but Dragon still slaughters @ 104

How does intro taste? I bet it’s bitter.

?how would i know, but it sure seems like your interested in finding out ask him but i don’t know if he swings Yourway.

OJR is KING (for you).

I like your anti-UFC posts.

And it’s a DEAL.

Deal

I should have made the Dana joke(s) about BNF…he’s the biggest sheep around these parts.

I think he gifted a pair of rubber boats to Dana for Christmas actually.

Sweet!

Chat with you Maniacs later!

Have a good day!

boots….not boats lol.

…although he probably bought him boats too.

“…although he probably bought him boats too.” (insert retard laugh here)

I am embarrased for you introturd.

Intro I thought that you meant bet for money, I would have been the first to offer if I knew that it was a name bet, they are always a laugh and I’m up for any name bets on take behalf my man Machida. I’ll offer “David W-S drinks Machida’s piss and likes it” if Shogun wins, if you do “Introvert the UFC fanboy”. What do you say mate?

I’d like to make a new bet. $100.00 says introvert loses the bet and then doesn’t honor it.

Intro would honor it, but not post for that month. It would be weird not having a drunken monkey’s opinion on everything.

He’ll just “disappear” like everyone else and not post for a month. Unless of coarse and opportunity to bash Dana comes along…..

If he doesn’t post “OJR is king” every day for a month on a relevant front-page thread, he is welching on the bet.

My offer still stands for any posters by the way. I’ve not been as confident in a pick since Andy-Forrest was announced and we all know how that one turned out.

I’ll honor my bet…always do.

…although I’ve only had one bet here…it was with Mex. Can’t even remember what it was over, but I won ;)

You read it twice?

Talk about a douche.

Just making sure OJR sees it.

What’s it to ya.

You don’t like it….move along.

Agreed to your bet, Intro.

Check post above!

Got it.

“You don’t like it….move along.”

Very profound, coming from the most hateful and argumentative poster on this site. STFU and tell some more lame jokes twice in a row again. Douche…

somebody got they feelings hurt. intro maybe you should say sorry and hand him a hanky.

My thoughts exactly before I panned down and saw you’d already commented on that 1, my exacts words were “oh my god, did he just do that?”

Lol 2x, 1 thread = no longer a joke

lol @ BNF

Grow up kid.

Intro I think BNF has been posting on this site for years, doubt he is a kid. He is probably use to this site being used by fans of MMA, not retired WWF fans who just found out there was real fighting out there. It’s a lot like old people today saying ‘these kids these days, what is wrong with them’ Old school fans don’t really like the sass you young buggers are always dishing out.

BNF has been posting on here forever. Almost as long as you and Shogun have been dating. I doubt he is a kid.

Thats why I said Shoguns best chance was on the ground…

His style has evolved. Training with Anderson has made him more dynamic, just as Lyoto has made Anderson more elusive. Penalizing a fighter for not finishing his early fights is unfair. Lyoto’s last four victories have been awesome fights, as was his beatdoen of Rich Franklin.

He has gotten more and more dangerous as his career has progressed, and that is the natural evolution of a fighter who doesn’t rely on one-punch power.

You use GSP as an example of a fighter you love to watch, but as much as I love GSP I find Lyoto’s fights a hell of a lot more entertaining than GSP’s these days. And Tito? Zero striking skill and lieing in guard while dropping elbows and doing nothing to improve position is exciting? LOL introvert.

oh theres the rashad fight and silva and franklin a long time ago and than theres the rashad fight, and did you see the silva fight or what he did to evans?he beat rich as well.

shogun has faced the better comp.

Shogun has faced the better competition. So far. Chuck had faced some great competition as well. The fact remains that the good fighters that Machida HAS defeated have never looked as completely outclassed as they were by him. I think Tito and Rashad could both give Shogun fits. And when it’s all said and done, Shogun’s accomplishments will pale compared to Lyoto’s.

Intro is that really you posting as Shogun? Cuz this guy has been guzzling your sac all day.

Are you two even dating? Cuz I’m not down with pre-maritals. Just sayin’ is all.

this dude loves talking about men being together, i think you hit the wrong spot on your favorites list and came to the wrong web site.

Rashad
Thiago
Tito
Soko
Heath
Franklin
BJ
Bonnar
McDonald
Nakamura

There’s 10 for you Intro.

shogun, no one understands a word you are saying, everything is coming out all muffled. Intro must be in your mouth again.

you sound envious, like some jellous stalker don’t worry i don’t like guys or talk the way you do about them if your interested in intro just ask him instead of beating around the bush(your probally used to that well looking through his window).

you don’t really think it is well do you? I know that speaking through one tooth as you do, it might sound like well, it is actually while. Food for thought.

is a jellous stalker someone made of jello?

And intro, why the fuck would you put the word “champ” in quotation marks when referring to Lyoto, as if he is somehow not a legitimate champion. Yeah, that’s right… he’s the champ. You see, when you destroy the guy who has the belt without taking a scratch, that makes YOU the champ. That entire retarded rant about Tae-Kwon-Do and what not was without a doubt the dumbest thing you have ever posted here, dude.

And enough with the “I’ll save my money” crap. We’ve already heard you claim that you’ll never spend a dollar on the UFC again, so you wouldn’t be watching it anyway. I’m starting to think you’re just broke, and hating on the UFC and some of its best fighters makes you feel better about missing all the fights.

lol @ jeremy….I watch every UFC event. I just don’t pay for it. Not because I’m broke (although I won’t brag like some people do here), because the UFC doesn’t deserve my money after they publicly announced that a video game is more important than a talented roster.

I think that I may have attached myself to JJ, but I was talking to you Hella. I don’t believe for a minute that you had Bowles winning that fight whether or not you think Torres is over rated. If you weigh 75 pounds and dominate your division you could be number 1 P4P, without fighting another guy in the top P4P. P4P is so stupid that it makes absolutely no sense. Of course he would probably lose to guys who are naturally heavier than him, but that alone doesn’t mean he is crap. I would think that GSP would have problems at 185, especially against the top two guys in that division, like the scenario you just used.

look at the guys that gsp has had to beat…and look at the people torres has had to beat…their resumes arent even close…look at the calibur of fighters anderson has beaten…and now that machida is facing…you cant even compare what torres has had to face compared to these guys..

hes had the easiest run of any champ in any division…truthfully i didnt know much about bowles and neither did any of you, he had only had 5 fights…so i was expecting him to stop torres streak…but i put 20 bucks on him….500 odds..how could you not…and i’ll put 20 bucks on shogun too…500? i cant resist that…who cares if i lose 20 bucks, the payout on that is ridiculous..

i always bet underdog in every fight…all you need is one upset and it will pay the rest of your night, and every ppv has one upset…sakara did me good last ppv

The odds on Shogun are +350.

Payout is 100, ridiculous? Not much of a win for long shots.

what i find humorous here is the fact even anderson silva said he gets schooled when he spars against machida. IS there anyone here that believes shogun, wouldnt be destroyed by anderson?