Lesnar takes this fight even faster than he beat Randy. Carwin is good, just not good enough.

Having already headlined fight cards is a sizeable advantage for Lesnar. Carwin has arguably only had one high profile fight. Both guys are still inexperienced, but fighting at the top of a card with the belt at stake is an experience different than Carwin has known. For this reason, I expect Lesnar to fight a calmer, more tactically sound fight, and catch Carwin being reckless. From the UFC’s standpoint, I completely understand the move, but I believe Carwin could have benefitted from the Cain fight (even a loss) before experiencing a title shot.

I wonder if Lesnar requested the fight himself. I wouldn’t find it difficult to believe that this would have been a direct reaction to Carwin’s comments. To Carwin, I can only say be careful what you wish for.

I’ve only seen Carwin’s fight with Gonzaga. I know he’s a wrestler, but how’s his takedown defense? I think this fight is going to come down to Carwin’s ability to keep the fight standing. I am highly skeptical that Carwin will be able to take Lesnar down, but I’m not sure how powerful of a wrestler he is. If Carwin can keep this fight on it’s feet, it’s basically power vs. power and whoever lands the best shot wins.

I believe the experience advantage is with Lesnar. Carwins only been in with one top 20 guy (Gonzaga), prior to that fight he was beating up on some British can Neil Wain in one of the biggest mismatches since UFC 3. Whereas Lesnar has been nothing but tested against top guys in all his UFC fights.

BROCK! BROCK! BROCK!

Finally a battle of the giants. About time the UFC puts on a fight with two super HW. Let’s hope the octogon can handle these two freaks and doesn’t collaps, should be a great battle. LESNAR by TKO

I think the most interesting aspect of this fight is which guy is going to find themselves on their back. You have to think that both of these guys are going to look for a takedown since neither has ever found themselves on their back.

WOW, i honestly dont know who to pick here, lesnar has to be the favourite but either 1 could end it at any moment, lesnars chin is yet to be fully tested, carwins was tested by gonzaga, he was rocked by gonzaga and i’m pretty sure lesnar will hit harder than he did, on the other had carwin has big power and KO lesnar, anyone betting big money on this is insane because it could go either way, i have to give lesnar the wrestling advantage but i still dont think it will be easy for him to take carwin down, sure gonzaga did but he caught him off guard and he probably didnt expect it, anyone fighting lesnar knows its just a matter of time before he shoots so carwin should be expecting it, i can see lesnar TKO’ing carwin on the ground but i can also see carwin landing a big shot and finishing lesnar on the feet, i honestly dont know which way to go with this but it should be a good fight

I think the only way to do this fight justice is have a casket match.

Carwin is close to Brock’s size and astrength, but nowhere near as good an athlete. Lesnar is going to drive him into the cage and pound on him.

Carwin ain’t a chump PW.

Courtesy of Wikipedia:
“He wrestled in college, becoming a two-time NCAA Division II Wrestling National Runner-Up Heavyweight in 1996-7, and the NCAA II Wrestling Heavyweight National Champion in 1999. He was also a two-time All-American in football.”

Carwin doesn’t have the pedigree Brock has, but his athletic achievements shouldn’t be overlooked either.

Carwin got stunned by Gonzagas blow imagine when he gets hit by Lesnar’s “lunchboxes”. Lesnar’s first KO will be Carwin. Just a wild guess.

I’m not comparing achievements. I’m saying nobody in the UFC, other than GSP, has Brock’s athletic ability. Carwin is slow and plodding, while Brock is fast and explosive.

Truth!

carwin is also a better boxer with more powerful punches, bigger mitts, and a proven chin (um, three overhand rights in a row from gonzaga should end you, but it didnt, and then he recovered and punched gabe’s head off). lesnar didn’t like getting hit by couture for fcuks sake. this is brock’s biggest test. and he will fail.

Brock the Cock is going to sleep here. Carwin FTW. I’ve been saying Carwin will KO Brock, and it will happen. Big stage for sure, but Lesnar has never fought a dude with big power. If Mir had him “seeing tweetie birds” then for sure, Carwin will put his lights out.

You can’t knock on Carwin for the Gonzo fight either. Some say that he got rocked by Gonzo and almost got KO’d. Yeah, but he DIDN’T. Gonzo hits pretty damn hard, and for Carwin to take TWO of those punches in a row, and get taken down, only to get up from under him and KO him right back, thats more PROPS than knocking on him.

Carwin FTW and to save the HW division.

PW, looks like it is time to start up the old war wagon again.

Michael, I have a comment in Moderation that addresses what you said. I have a problem with that comment.

why do people compare brock with carwin wrestling? d2 is like putting the sacramento river cats against the yankees.. brock won the D1 national title and only lost 1 time throughout his collegiate career, carwin won 2 national titles but against b level competition.. no comparison in wrestling abilities there brock takes it hands down..

athletic ability goes to brock
strength to brock
speed to brock
experience on the big stage brock by far (WWE is good for the big stage experience and nerves, can’t say it isn’t because more people are there watching)
and carwin couldn’t stop gonzaga taking him down so now you have a matt serra vs gsp situation all over again

As I’ve said before Carwin is a lot smarter than people give him credit for, there is no way that he would have been given a title shot if he hadn’t have insulted Lesnar and played the role of the hero. Now despite only beating one top 10 HW he has been fastracked for a title shot because the UFC know that a Lesnar-Carwin fight would sell, there is going to be a lot of hyping up before this fight and it should be a classic hero v villain match-up between the two biggest and strongest HWs in the UFC.

If Cain had have challenged Brock and criticised his actions then he wouldn’t have been snubbed, hopefully he’ll learn the importance of self-promotion and will keep up the momentum in his next fight.

Both guys are excellent wrestlers with powerful strikes, I’d say that out of every HW in the UFC Carwin has the best chance to beat Brock because he won’t be outsized and can hold his own wrestling wise, plus proved in the Gonzaga fight that he can get off his back quickly and recover from adversity. Brock’s chin has been questioned and Carwin has proven KO power in his hands so this is going to be a tough ask for Brock. This one won’t last too long and whoever lands the first big punch or gets the first takedown will win the fight.

The same can be said about Brock Syn…Mir had him seeing tweetie birds, but he DIDN’T got KO’d.

Man sorry again for last night buddy, I thought about it when it was 12:00 am! You can call me names now!

Up until yesterday, 99% of the people here thought that there were ZERO HW’s on the UFC roster that can defeat Brock Lesnar. Now that they just promote Carwin to a title fight for no just reason other than “Brock needs an opponent” and 50% of the people are saying Carwin will win? WHAT??

Sure he has a chance, but where were all of these people after UFC 100? All I was hearing was that Brock was going to be the most dominant champ ever.

Carwin can only win this fight with a big punch standing. Brock can end it with a big punch standing (less likely to do so than Carwin though), or he can win by GnP TKO or he can win by decision – although I do not see these two behemoth’s going 5 full rounds.

If I had to lay opening odds on this fight, I’d say -240 for Brock and +160 for Carwin (which would be an attractive bet.

MIke Ive been sayin Crawin all along. Dont say noone said it and RANDY MURDERS Brock lost more than once his record was 106-5 56-3 a BJC and 50-2 at Minnesota. Thats really impressive dont get me wrong but dont make up facts it makes you look bad.

With the HW title being defended on this card, that will push back Penn/Sanchez and Anderson/Hendo to the 108 and 109 cards (Jan and Feb) at the earliest. I highly doubt the December 107 card will have a title on the line.

They are hyping the Rashad/Rampage fight with UFC Primetime shows a la GSP/Penn, and it makes no sense to make an expensive three-episode hype machine fot that fight and then make it a co-main event under a title fight.

Alpha- No worries on last night. I haven’t been on the PSN for a while. Moving back down to Florida for college and whatnot.

On your post though- I think Carwin being rocked and surviving vs Gonzo is a higher cred than being rocked by MIr and surviving. Gonzo is known for having some real good power, and winning a bunch of fights by (T)KO. Mir has TKO’d Wes Sims, and losing by TKO to Mir would have been ULTRA-humilitating, wheras losing by TKO to Gonzo is just as respectable as losing by sub to him.

I think more people would be surprised by Mir TKO’ing Brock than Gonzo TKO’ing Carwin.

VM- I have been one of the few who have said Carwin is the man to get it done. I know alot of guys come on here before and after and say “I told everyone”, but I’ve been sticking with Carwin since UFC 84.

what did Carwin say about Brock?

Carwin is dangerous for sure the main concern for Carwin being ligit is what is his ground game like and what kind of endurance does the man have. I don’t think Carwin will KO Brock at least in the first round and Brock will test both his ground game and endurance wich his camp and coaches said is great we will find out? For all those guy’s saying Brock was hurt after Mir and Randy’s shot are full of it he took the shot and was easily able to defend himself or take the other guy down yes Carwins power is much more dangerous than any fighter in MMA. I can’t wait for this battle I believe this could be one of the greatest HW fights ever with two future MMA legends!

SluggerCity — Carwin just made the same mistake Mir and Herring did by throwing the WWE in Brock’s face. then suggested that Velasquez is somehow on the same level as Brock.

“He may be a Champion but he has a long ways to go before he earns the respect of a Champion. The fans are why we do this Brock, this sport is not about fat paychecks and drama it is about hard work and sacrifice for a shot to do what you did last night. It doesn’t matter how much money you make if you can’t earn your peers respect and the respect and love of the greatest sporting fans in the world. We have no scripts in this sport, no pre-determined earning amount and no pre-determined outcomes.”

“The thing is I have a very tough fight ahead of me that IMO is every bit as tough and talented as Brock.”

Syn
lol, I didn’t know that being rocked by Gonzaga was more gratifying than being rocked by Muur. Now 75% of this site is gonna hate you for saying that Mir isn’t a great striker.
They both are mediocre standing up and a lots of peoples think that Mir did improve his striking lately.

Does anyone know Carwins reach? I know that Lesnars is listed as being 81 inches. This could be a factor. Also, Carwin has Greg Jacksons camp behind him. They could come up with a gameplan to beat Lesnar. Randy had a pretty good game plan but he hadn’t anticipated the reach advantage. Carwins camp will note that. Of course, Carwin is no Couture.

Brock got a lot of heat for getting a title shot too soon. I think the same can be said for Carwin. how can beating two cans and a guy who in my opinion was no longer a contender get you a title shot. It’s not like Carwin fought real competition outside the UFC either.

Also, it’s interesting how easy Brock’s abilities are taken for granted. Most think that he is only power and size, but Lesnar has very good technique. Watch the fight with Couture, when Randy takes his back he makes one of the best wrestling sweeps I have seen to get Randy to the ground, at least something no other wrestler has done it in the UFC.

Brock will definitely win this one.

Alpha, in a K-1 match, I think Gonzo would beat Mir. I do think Mir has VASTLY improved his stand up game, but it isn’t on the level of Gonzo’s yet, who, along with “mediocre” technique, has PROVEN to have some good power along with it.

I understand your point that Gonzaga got more power in his hands than Mir, Syn. But Carwin got rocked by a punch and Brock got rocked by a knee, bud.

But according to Mr. Einstein above, aka Puck Head, people who think Lesnar was rocked by Mir are “full of it”, Alpha. Never mind the fact that Lesnar himself said he was seeing “tweety birds” after those shots. The reason it looked like he recovered so quickly is because he was in such close quarters with Mir that he was already holding Frank and just had to fall on him. If those shots had connected with some distance between them, Lesnar would have been in some trouble.

And Puck Head, saying Carwin is a “future MMA legend” is pretty dumb. He is 34 and has ONE impressive victory, that coming over a barely top ten HW in Gonzaga. If he doesn’t beat Lesnar he has little to no chance of ever being considered a legend. It just reaffirms that you know jack shit about the sport or what being a “legend” even entails. You must be a chubby mofo, because you’re always out to lunch.

Also, it’s become pretty tiresome watching you and your girlfriend Beaver come to each other’s defence all the time and regurtitate what each other is saying, especially when we know you guys are friends in real life and work together. Do you gals talk on the phone together about how it’s time to spew out more run-on-sentence diarrhea that basically consists of saying that MASH reruns are more exciting thsn Strikeforce and Affliction cards? How many times do you turds have to use the term “us fans” during your childish tantrums, as if YOU speak for the fans or have even been one for long enough to have watched Pride or the other orgs that helped make MMA what it is today?

Yep, it’s pretty gutless. I don’t think it’s an accident that “Beaver” is a synonym for “pussy”. Go look up synonym, genius. And while you’re at it, look up “period” and “coma” as well. It might help you type posts that aren’t reminiscent of an ADD-afflicted 8-year old blathering out nonsense in a 200-word unintelligible run-on sentence.

Keep trying, guys. Your next good point will be your first.

OoOoOh, lol, awesome!

JJ do you feel better about yourself dude by bringing other down? Ever hear of anger management? I seen you threaten another guy a couple weeks ago that you were going to run him off the site wazz up man that shit ain’t cool voice your opinion but if you don’t have an arguement don’t resort to childish name calling and hissy fits just saying man your wasting your time these guy’s are making you look silly keep it cool I think carwin is going to be a legend too Randy didn’t start tell late in his career and became a legend and Carwin has the brains much like randy am I stupid too?

Puckhead – Legends?!?!?!?!? I have been trying to be more……shall we say… fluid in my comments as to not rub people the wrong way. That has to pause. Carwin is relatively untested. His biggest win is against an underachiever who almost took him.

Lesnar even said himself he was dazed.

I know everyone wants this to be more than what it is, but Carwin has a punchers chance. If Lesnar gets him down it is over!

Bro you should really look at the whole picture, really investigate what your talking about…… Legends please. They are both a long long way away from that.

That’s your opinion what will you say if they do become legends ASR some see them as the two HW with the most potential and if that’s true they have the best cahnce of becoming legends no one ever said they were legends calling them future legends may be to early but he could very well be right and if he isn’t so what he’s wrong I think we have all been wrong does that make us all stupid as JJ would put it?

KOrwin.. LOL bro Lesnar may have a shot due to his recognition, but I see him leaving the business after a few years just as he does with everything. Carwin does not have the skills to beat other top heavyweights. If they both would become legends though.. years and years from now… I would say OMG that KOrwin guy really put me in my place, and then it will haunt me forever to know if KOrwin was actually Puck-Head.. The horror of it all.

KOrwin.. LOL bro Lesnar may have a shot due to his recognition, but I see him leaving the business after a few years just as he does with everything. Carwin does not have the skills to beat other top heavyweights. If they both would become legends though.. years and years from now… I would say OMG that KOrwin guy really put me in my place, and then it will haunt me forever to know if KOrwin was actually Puck-Head.. The horror of it all.

" I would say OMG that KOrwin guy really put me in my place, and then it will haunt me forever to know if KOrwin was actually Puck-Head.. The horror of it all."

LOL, what gave it away ASR?

Hahahaha. What a tool.

Exactly KOrwin, cool name too man. I work with Puck he’s a huge Brock fan along with myself but for some reason I put a paycheck on the line I think I’m going to be a Carwin fan one night myself I hope his camp wasn’t full of BS when they said his skills on the ground are great but for some reason I just feel Carwin is the real deal the fact he can do what Rampage does in the LHW division and with better accuracy is amazing for a guy his size he can KO anybody in MMA with out a doubt. 11 fights all KO’s in the first round who the hell has done that? And don’t say he fought all cans because there’s another guy that is considered by some as the best HW in the world that fought many cans yet his were more worthy cans for some reason?

LMAO!

LMFAO this is the best ASR is JJ who is Shogun LOL classic this is how you run guy`s off JJ your the man LOL!!

There is absolutely nothing lamer than inventing new handles to come to your own defence. NOTHING. Especially such an incredibly poorly disguised one. Wow.

Let’s see: Zero punctuation: check.

Using the “that’s your opinion” line that Puck-Head has used a thousand times: check.

Finishing statements that aren’t questions at the end of a post with a question mark: check.

Sad dude. Time to start over. You’re just about done here.

Okay, okay, let me say screw all the bickering. This should be a good fight. Carwin has more MMA experience, Brock has more wrestling blah blah blah. Who cares? Lets see some fireworks and enjoy a good HW match up. Isn’t this what we asked for?

IMHO, Brock or Carwin are MMA rookies. Let them duke it out.

I have had differences of opinions on this site many times. I have always defended my opinion as I thought I was correct or at least had a valid opinion. The thing is if you actually believe your statement was right to begin with have the nuts to defend it under your own monicre. If you cannot defend your own point of view then you do not deserve to be heard.

Grow a set!

“LMFAO this is the best ASR is JJ who is Shogun LOL classic this is how you run guy`s off JJ your the man LOL!!”
Beaver you smoking some good herb, bud!

LOl your right I was just fooling with JJ who is SHo sho is ASR but honestly this fight is huge I can`t wait and I have to cheer against Brock!? I hope Carwin has a ground game please please.

Not to worry, ASR. The nice thing about dealing with the truly helmet-worthy is that the more they post, the more they destroy themselves. It’s really a beautiful thing to watch and I must say it makes me feel all warm inside. Or maybe that’s the Scotch. Either way, hilarious.

JJ the “Super Sleuth”, nice one.

At your service, Champ.

:-)

lol, I love the internet!

Verbal diarrhea: check.

JJ exposing Puck: priceless

Korwin said: “am I stupid too?”

Yes, KOrwin.

You are The Beav’s big cyber-brother Wally, riding in to save the day. Backwards in the saddle with your foam helmet obscuring your vision.

LOL ohh JJ you take the cake on the special person award. Live and let live hey Korwin or I guess I’m talking to myself rrr LOL. JJ/ASR/Sho I have some advise for you it’s clear you are the same person as others pointed out and if you really think anything your saying holds any warrant or value your a bigger moron than I first thought LOL have fun talking to yourself only a loser could even thin of that LOL pathetic but funny.

Dude, what’s really pathetic is how a guy who’s been running all over this site calling a legend of MMA a coward doesn’t even have the balls to stick up for himself with his regular handle – on the INTERNET. LOL! Talk about a COWARD!

I don’t know how you could even show your face here again, and if I ever see the word coward in one of your posts, I’m going to rub your face in this turd you laid here today like a dog who crapped on the carpet.

Ypu guys are a brown stain on the pristine white jockies that are MMAmania.

Remove thyself, fecal smear.

Begone.

lol, JJ scaring the “Periplaneta americana”!

Look it up in the dictionary for those who doesn’t know what it means!

LOL Alpha, you rock bro.

There IS a striking resemblance.

Rua doesn’t have the stamina to be 2 events… zing!

lol

Your a tool shogun or should I say ASR or should I say ShoGun all one poster your a real winner LOL.

I don’t know who Sho is but jeeez ASR and JJ are the same person with out a doubt wow I seen it all now LOL WOW ohh well sometimes your best friend is yourself.

Leave it to Beaver… to say something ridiculous again. You do remind me of the star of that show, Beav… about nine years old, naive as hell, and you can only see black and white. Don’t worry, you can nurse F@ck Head/KOrwin back to health tomorrow at work, with a lunch-hour backrub and reach-around.

In the meantime, maybe you guys can learn how to fight your own battles, instead of riding in like the most inept cavalry in the world every time one of your partner’s (or alter-ego’s) awful posts is picked apart.

I can’t believe you are actually having a conversation with yourself right now.

Leave it to Beaver… to say something ridiculous again. You do remind me of the star of that show, Beav… about nine years old, naive as heck, and you can only see black and white. Don’t worry, you can nurse Puck Head/KOrwin back to health tomorrow at work, with a lunch-hour backrub and reach-around.

In the meantime, maybe you guys can learn how to fight your own battles, instead of riding in like the most inept cavalry in the world every time one of your partner’s (or alter-ego’s) awful posts is picked apart.

LMAO @ “Leave it to Beaver”

“I don’t know who Sho is but jeeez ASR and JJ are the same person with out a doubt wow I seen it all now LOL WOW ohh well sometimes your best friend is yourself.”

Dude you maybe should of taken the red pill instead of the blue. ASR are my initials and it is what I post under on this forum and a few others. I do not need to create false images of myself as nothing anyone could say on here means that much to me. This is the internet bro. When you find yourself taking things on here so seriously that you are making up fake names to prove your point you need to call one of those 800 numbers and get some help.

I am saying this as a friend because I am worried about you Beaver/Puck-Head/KOrwin. Go into the light man…. go into the light.

LOL We have a real winner here all day focusing on me and even more sad thinking I’m someone else LOL I don’t know what to even say maybe get a life pathetic man real or maybe you need to get laid or do you even have pubes yet LOl classic locked in the bedroom keyboard warrior I sorry KO when you prove JJ or Shogun or whatever the 10 year old calls himself wrong get ready for the grade school insults anyway I better stop talking to myself LMFA.

LOL talk about the biggest moron on the site JJ or Sho whatever you call yourself LMFAO!!

I’d boo Kalib Starnes even if I ran into him at the grocery store.

You wouldn’t run into him because he would be running away.

I heard that Kalib has become very close friends with Forest…they met in passing

LOL, nice.

LOL! Where do come up with these Mac?

So, Mir vs Cain now?

Nah, Mir fighting Kongo at 107!

Cain vs Buentello??

There you go… that or Yvel(if signed in the UFC)

Both those would be action replay’s of the Kongo fight. Hopefully Cain’s not daft enough to stand and trade with them like he attempted to with mr give me the teetle.

lol, I know but you got to think that the UFC want Cain to win, so they will feed him strikers, like those 2.

I agree Alph, that’s exactly what they’ll do.

Buentello and Yvel would get smashed by Cain, neither have a ground game so stylistically they’d be perfect opponents for him. Hopefully Cain learnt from the Kongo fight to play to his strengths and won’t try to stand with superior strikers (though I don’t rate Buentello at all and I think Cain could outstrike him and win by KO).

This sucks. 104 was an epic card with an exciting #1 contender’s match. If a card looks too good to be true, it usually is. They are trying to milk two title fights out of these undefeated HW prospects instead of letting a clear contender emerge from a fight between them. I was surprised that the UFC would give the fans a #1 contender fight like Carwin/Velasquez and lose a potential title fight in the process. Now I see I was right to be surprised.

I bet Velasquez sits and waits and fights nobody (or a can) until he takes on the winner of this one. Very disappointing. Dana was just talking about how boxing never gives you the undefeated #1 contender fight because they want to make the most money possible out of their contenders, and in the process the fans get screwed. Looks like things aren’t any different in MMA, huh Dana.

Were Yvel and the HeadHunter picked up by the UFC???

You are probably the same guy who complains about people not defending their titles enough. Geez… You care more about #1 contender fights?

I care about cards being stacked and the fights we were promised actually happening. Carwin/Lesnar would have been epic AFTER Carwin had proved himself by destroying Velasquez.

The UFC needs to do a better job of always having proven contenders ready to fight for the title. They should match up their great fighters in each division against each other more often, so this crap and the Swick/Kampmann crap isn’t necessary. Dana and co are always thinking they will save the big fights for later, but there are enough good fighters on the roster that there will always be big fights on the horizon. If there is an opportunity to match up two of the best in a given division, that fight should be made NOW instead of later.

There you are…I thought that it wasn’t a so bad idea JJ, but I understand your disappointment! At least Cain will remain a good contender while other guys will try to be the next in line for the #1 contender match up!

Yeah. I have a feeling Dana thinks Randy will beat Nog, and they don’t want another Randy/Lesnar fight. The winner of Cro-Cop/Dos Santos will be making a BIG leap up the ranks of the division now.

Yup, for sure!

I completely agree with JJ. There are enough fighters on the roster that every fight should be that of high quality on PPV. Fighter such as Carwin and Cain you only see on PPV and I would bet that JJ is again right that Cain fights a can at best. The card for 104 needs some first aide quick if it will be a worthy PPV.

As for Lesnar/Carwin. I have watched that Gonzaga fight over and over and here is what I see.

Carwin looks to have lost some size probably in an effort to become quicker but he is no longer cutting to get under 265 that is for sure so he will still be outsized on fight night by about 15 to 20.

I think it is safe to say that Brock will be able to take him down that is a problem.

He was moving forward on Gonzaga very quickly and that will end up with him on his back with Lesnar were he does not want to be. Instead of standing with him like Gonzaga did for a bit Lesnar will just change levels(faster than anyone Carwin has fought before) and take him down.

I hope Carwin changes his gameplan drastically or this will look just like 100. For those that are going to say Carwin was a wrestling champ in college blah blah blah.. he is in no way in the same league as Lesnar on this and should focus on his strengths and keeping this on the feet.

Great post ASR.

A #1 contender fight is pretty rare and for good reason. Most of the time in a fight with top ranked guys 1 guy will get a title shot with a win and his opponent may not. There are also many factors involved, how the fight is finished, was it boring, marketability, ect… I just like that Brock is staying active. That is more than I can say for some other fighters. A 4-1 Champion is fighting an 11-0 challenger and he isn’t ready? And since when does a win over Cain make you the #1 contender. You wouldn’t be saying that if the Gonzaga fight never happened. The point is this is a quality HW title fight with the most deserving fighter at the moment.

LOL @ “You wouldn’t be saying that if the Gonzaga fight never happened.”

We wouldn’t be saying anything about any fight if the fight before it hadn’t happened! What does that even mean?

And regarding “The point is this is a quality HW title fight with the most deserving fighter at the moment.”

Yes, it is a quality HW title fight, but the point of this #1 contender’s match was establishing a legit contender, which would have made it a much more meaningful title fight. Instead, the UFC has opted to keep both of their contenders’ records intact, robbing the fans of a legit contender and setting up an absolutely pointless Lesnar/Cain fight next year, in which Cain will be destroyed.

I would rather see the Cro-Cop/Dos Santos winner fight Lesnar over Cain, who will probably get a shot based on an unconvincing win over Kongo and a presumably a victory over Rothwell.

Dude… You just said Carwin deserves a title shot with a win over Cain, but not Gabe? And in the same post you said Cain would be destroyed by Lesnar. So, my point, why is a fight with Cain necassary then? You, my friend, make no sense. How do you think Gabe would fair agaisn’t Lesnar?

And LOL @ the winner of Cro Cop/Dos Santos. That makes no sense whatsoever. Sorry man, I just don’t get your point.

What I’ve been saying is that nobody deserves a title shot with only one victory over ranked opponents. A win over Cain would have legitimized Carwin. Alves and Florian didn’t just automatically get shots after beating one ranked guy, they beat several. That’s what made them legit #1 contenders. Even Mir had to beat Lesnar and Nog back-to-back to get a title shot.

And the reason I would rather see Cro-Cop or Dos Santos fight Lesnar over Cain is a simple one: styles make fights. Cain is a wrestler, and a tiny one compared to Lesnar. He stands no chance. Cro-Cop and Dos Santos, on the other hand, are accomplished strikers, and Brock’s weakness is striking. Therefore I think they have a better chance of catching him on the chin on the way in before they are taken down and pummelled. A small chance, for sure, but a chance nontheless – which is a lot more tha Cain has.

Okay… Well it doesn’t hurt that Carwin is 11-0 with all 1st round finishes, subs, KOs, and TKOs. You have to admit that is extremely impressive. And the first time he fought a legit dude he did the same exact thing.

And you keep talking about Cain, but he isn’t fighting for the title so it’s not even worth discussing. He may very well need 2 more wins before he gets a shot.

This is the same old thing with the HW division, there are just not as many good fighters as in other weight classes. So I don’t really think the comparison to Alves and Kenny is fair.

Yeah, Carwin has looked really impressive, I just wanted to see him beat one more ranked guy. It’s not that this isn’t the best possible HW title fight, it’s just that I wanted to see a big contender’s match and a stacked 104 card first.

It bugs me that they are trying to set both Carwin and Cain up for Lesnar, instead of letting them work out who the top contender is themselves. It waters down the 104 card and gives us less bang for our buck in the long run. Also, I wanted to see Cain get knocked back down the ladder instead of set up for the next title shot, because I just don’t think he’s the real deal.

good debate, jj and bnf!~

u both make equally great points..

i agree that NO fighter should ever get a title shot with 1 quality win..

but i also feel that, right now, carwin is the most deserving number 1 contender.. 11-0 is impressive.. as well as having most 1st round ko’s in all his ufc fights..

imo~ carwin is more deserving of a title shot then brock was, back when he fought randy..

imo~ this fight makes way more sense then brock/randy ever did!!

the bottom line is, brock was supossed to fight fedor! the ufc couldn’t sign him, so is brock not supossed to fight for the rest of the year? fock that!!

while i like #1 contender fights too, i feel this fight had to be made and im glad it did..

bnf~ wins the debate, imo~

“the bottom line is, brock was supossed to fight fedor! the ufc couldn’t sign him, so is brock not supossed to fight for the rest of the year? fock that!! "

It’s a difference of two lousy months, stinky. This just means we’ll have to wait until January to see BJ or Anderson defend THEIR belts – and in the process the 104 card takes a huge hit. This way we miss out on anticipated HW fight that would have made Lesnar’s next defence much more exciting. They should have put Penn/Sanchez or Anderson/Hendo on this card and let Carwin and Velasquez determine who the true #1 is.

the difference is two extra lousy months, jj..

and thats saying carwin defeats cain without damage..

what if cain busts shanes nose open like gonzaga did?

imo~ make the title fights happen asap! i dont like waiting for title fights when i dont have to.

why should brock wait? he’s ready! carwin’s ready! get it on..~

i want to see the respected champs[all 5] defend every 4 months[max].. dont u?

heck, if it’s all good that fedor will most likely be fighting paul buentello, than u should be cool with brock fighting carwin for a title, rather than having him wait~

I’m almost certain that Buentello is in the UFC now, stink!

When did I say I was cool with Fedor fighting Buentello? That would be a complete waste of a Fedor fight.

And once again… if the UFC put its top contenders head-to-head more often, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, because someone would always be proven and ready to step up. Don’t get me wrong, I think Carwin is the best possible opponent for Lesnar right now… I just think it’s as shame that it comes at the expense of a card and a fight I was really looking forward to.

And once again (sigh), there will be no titles on the line at 105 or 107, so this just pushes ANOTHER title defence back. We would have got a title fight on this card regardless.

sorry, i meant to say most likeley be fighting someone like beuntello!~ meaning a lower end hw..

im hearing the ufc has beuntello and yvel’s contract as well, but they are still wroking out the difference’s..

sorry, jj. i didn’t mean u specifically said that.. i just know u are one of the few peeps who r fine with fedors decision..

r u fine with fedor getting a tune up fight, before he fights the “big fight”??..

i don’t know man, u make good points but i still think this was the best possible outcome for the hw division..

im out for the night~ i will be back in the morning to chat!

goodnight~

I wouldn’t say I’m “fine” with it. Just that I understand there is a lot more to his decision-making process than what we are privy to, and that Strikeforce is the second-best possible destination for him. I still really wanted to see him in the UFC, but I’m not going to cry about it or hate on him for it.

As far as a warm-up fight for Fedor goes, IMO Rogers WOULD be a warm-up fight for him and that’s who he should fight first. Then he should take on the winner of Overeem/Werdum (hopefully Overeem) and by that time there might be a new Strikeforce HW signed to give him his last fight on that contract… Randy Couture, mayhaps?

Shit, I promised not to comment on Fedor for a while. Look what you made me do, Stinker.

lol, jj~ i think we both said that!~

Not anymore, Sleeper…

Brock haters can unite under my banner of hate !

already there..Carwin will test Brock…I personally don’t think Brock has enough cardio to hold someone like Shane down for more than 3 rnds but we’ll see…what do ya think OJR? I got Shane via TKO in the 3rd

I got Carwin by UD. I think Brock is too tough to KO.

maybe…I just can’t see both guys lasting 5 rnds

Carwin by KO in the 1st. May be a bit of a bold statement, but Carwin has never made it to the 2nd round, and I doubt Brock’s pillow of a chin will hold up that long.

after the Gonzaga fight he said that he still had his old job but that they were “lienient” with his schedule…haha, so would I if I were his boss

funny scenarios surrounding that…do you think if he wins the title he’ll show up at work on Monday with his “new belt” and lunch pail?? lol

Spoke to Shane quickly during Jits workout last night. He’s still working the 9-5 gig. Gotta be tough.

Lesnar is a better wrestler though! How many national titles has carwin got?? Combined with the size advantage Carwin’s gonna be spending a lot of time on his back.

Shayne weighs in at 265 doesn’t he? If anything Brock will have a 20 pound advantage.

I thought he was a bit under that, Lesnar will have about 25lbs come fight night I reckon. That’s a lot of extra weight in what could essentially turn into a grappling contest, especially if Brock’s on top for 5 rounds.

Carwin stated in an interview a while back that he walks around at 280 lbs. and that he is the same size as Brock so that shouldn’t play a part in the fight.

Maybe you’re right, i thought carwin was lighter.

Only real advantage Shane has is that Brock is going to have to cut weight. I personally hope Shane only drills on his TD defense, timing knees with takedowns, and working from his back. Those are the only things he should train on period if he wants to win this fight.

Carwin weighed in at 259.5 at UFC 96.

Thanks, thought I was right.

In my opinion, Lesnar has been able to neutralize all of his opponants due to his tremendous size advantage. If Carwin can at least get close to his weight, it will put more emphasis on their skillsets. I personally want to see if Brock can win if he has to rely on his skills. Again, he really hasn’t had to use any skills besides throwing his opponants around like ragdolls. Better match up for us fans when weight isn’t the major factor. If Couture didn’t weigh 40-60lbs less than Lesnar, I think he would have won easily.

Slim, if a fighter weights 40/60 lbs less, then that fighter has no business in that weight class! Why would would it be the fighter that is a true HW’s fault?

This reminds me a bit of GSP vs Alves. Everyone said GSP would struggle against Alves coz he wouldn’t have a big size advantage for once and look how that one turned out. GSP was able to take him down at will and I believe Lesnar will do the same.

I’m expecting a 5rnd war, with both guys gassed after 3rnd and Brock getting the better of the slow exchange to get the W.

Lesnar’s amateur wrestling credentials are as good or better than anyone in UFC. And last time out he took down Mir, a BJJ black belt, moved to side mount and pinned him so Mir could neither attack nor defend. Do NOT try to tell me that was just because of size and not skill.

i’d hand hendricks and rosholt the nod for being on a whole nother level than brock in amateur wrestling,

attakdog… you say “How many titles has Carwin won?” … How many titles has GSP won? GSP has no credentials and is still a superior wrestler to everyone at 170. MMA wrestling and college wrestling are different things. Brock hasn’t done anything impressive with his 3 or 4 NCAA titles. He’s managed to lay on people. big deal.

What do you want him to do with his wrestling? Suplex people on their head and break necks? Wrestling doesn’t teach you how to do submissions or ground and pound. All your taught to do in wrestling is take your opponent down and keep them there, he does that job very well!

K-Dog,

Actually, I would love Brock to suplex people ala Dan Severn (sp?) or the way Page suplexed Arona.

I actually mean that, not being glib here!

You talking about Severn against Mad Dog Machearsh (spelling)??? That was awesome. Unfortunately that was back in the days of total mismatches. You’ll never see the like of that again.

Not saying Brock has no skills, but his size certainly makes it easier. he hasn’t fought anyone matching his size yet. It will be interesting to see if his skills are as good as people think or it’s just his size that people can’t handle. Carwin gets closer in size to Lesnar than anyone he’s fought so far.

That was Anthony ‘Mad Dog’ Macias. I used to hang with him at this old nightclub in Dallas.

JV, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe when Couture fought Lesnar, he came in at 220, when Lesnar was walking in the cage at around 280+. Pretty major weight difference in my book.

Slim is right about the size difference. GSP / Alves is not a fair comparison. Sure GSP is big for a WW, but we’re talking a 60 pound advantage here. About a 20 pound advantage against Carwin. JV, to say a 240 pound man has no business in HW is ridiculous! Mir for example was like 245 I think in his last fight. Lots of guys in that division are that size. What’s a 240 pound guy like Mir going to do? Cut to LHW? Put on 40 pounds of muscle? Come on! Most HW’s aren’t the size of Carwin and Lesnar. The real answer is a super heavyweight division; but, there just aren’t enough monsters to put in that division. Besides, HW is arguably the weakest division as it is.

The UFC HW division is getting better and looks like it’s improving but guy’s there size with athletic ability don’t come out as often as any of the other divisions. I don’t think it matters who is better Fedor, Brock, my man Carwin ….whoever the UFC has the most valuable belt hands down whoever holds that belt has the #1 MMA belt period no other belt has the honor of the UFC’s.

who do you like in this one BNF??

I like Carwin.

Not in the 2nd fight… Remeber he had abs for the first time.

I just checked… He weighed 245. Based on the Price is Right rules, I win. 8-)

Crap, I should have bid 1 pound.

HA HA

IMO Carwin would kill Brock in the game of PlinKo

With those two it would take 45 minutes to do the Showcase Showdown because the wheel would never stop spinning.

or spin right off killing an entire fraternity in the audience…

haha…imagine how upset Brock would be if he bid $1 only to be outdone by Shane’s bid of $2…thats Jackson gameplanning right there boys

You ever see the clip of that dumb broad who kept bidding $1 under the highest bid instead of $1 over? Funny shit.

LMAO!! Made me wanna jump through the screen and strangle the bitch

No, Brock will lay on him until the ref pulls him off after repeatedly punching Carwin’s big stupid head.

your going to be crushed PW when the opposite happens…formerly known as PW “The Jovial” will be known as PW “The Grumpy Bastard”…j/k ;)

Good point Mac… I would like see Shane use his wrestling keep the fight standing and really test Brock’s chin with strikes and put him on his back. That will be VERY unfamiliar territory for Brock. So to answer your question from above I want Carwin to win this fight and I think he has a legit shot at it too.