Strikeforce recap and post-fight discussion for 'Carano vs Cyborg'

I bought a fake WWE belt (WWF back then) for $4 for my Hollywood Hogan Halloween costume in the late 1990s. Their belt is probably about the same quality.

no way, i met mousasi at the hotel after the fight and got pics. he let me touch the belt to and its legit.

Is that the bottom line?

i dont get how you paid for this, isnt it free on american tv chanels? i just watched a stream on chanelsurfing on the net, stream was good, prob cuz not too many people tuned in.

PPV in Canada, no showtime.

And paying for an event helps put money to the promoters who in turn decide how much fighters are worth.

That being said, those of you who had the fight available to you by paying and instead leeched it off a stream are the reason fighters get paid 2k to fight 2k to show.

Good job supporting the sport you say you care about and the fighters you claim to support.

Now if you will excuse me, I need to get this soapbox back to the rental company, I am sure a few Fedor fans are waiting for it.

lmao nicely said

I like watching MMA and pay for every UFC PPV event, but fuck affliction and all the other bandwagon jumping cunts like fedor and m1 trying to take my hard earned cash for themselves, holding up great fights and putting a ransom on fans. i spent about $1200 for the years cable to watch kickboxing thai and local ozzy mma on foxsports and fuel plus $600 on mma/ thai boxing ppv tv events last year all for legit shows with companies and fighters i see as good for the sport. namely ufc and k1.i also spent a bunch on tickets to sydney mma and muay thai events and drink and food at the shows, plus i pay about $100 a month into the thai boxing gym i go to.. i feel no guilt for streaming m1 or their partners, i will promote the downfall of the likes of affliction or anything m1 is involved with (which unfortunately includes strikeforce now,) because i dont feel like being extorted by crooked russian bastards. stream m1, they are dirty money grubbing pieces of shit and dont deserve your dollar, hell buy ufc buy american, buy m1 buy russian mob.

being involved in a shitty promotion where one star like kimbo or fedor gets paid all the money is why fighters get 2k to fight, and if they were any good they could get into the ufc or on tuf, maybe the market only deems them worth 2k per fight, they can always work in a call center, factory or mcdonalds if they dont like it, as if i give a shit about their welfare for fucks sake

That card was set and the fighter contracts signed before Affliction went under or Fedor was signed.

Your argument against paying for it holds no water.

Save the speech though, it will apply in the fall and I will tell you what, if the unprofessional thug Nick Diaz is on the card I’ll join you in your boycott. No money to the whiny thug and his BS Medical Marijuana license.

Not fighting for a title because you didn’t want to give up your pot for a couple months is a crock and I won’t give a dime to a card or promoter who is willing to pay that schmuck.

He’s gonna look back when he grows up and be ashamed of the example he set this month

st*fu paniczoo
WAR JAS

jas, the musasi bubs fight was set for affliction, musasi is intrinsicly linked with m1 and fedor, the original strikeforce card was unrecognisable in this event, and they are paying fighters salaries through your $40 buys who were left in the shit after the M1 affliction fiasco, when the card aired i knew that they were partnering with m1 and paying fedor – and trying to match him up with fucking ricco rod ahaahahahaah. so i didnt waste my money on it.

you see my arguement holds more water than lake superior

Yes, it sure does.

Good job throwing a match for the STRIKEFORCE LHW TITLE IN MY FACE

You sir are a maroon.

I do, too bad he doesn’t realize that fixing his crooked teeth won’t fix his ugly mug.

im glad urijah faber got a title back around his waist, but poor gina! did they really have to give him a girl for an opponent??

borning fight.

borning?

i was definitely wrong about the mousasi fight. Very calm, collected and showed great patience on top in waiting for that scramble opening.

How bout Jake Shields. Coker said he is fighting for the 185 interim lb. title in Oct. and Mousasi has fought at 185 before. That would be a very interesting fight.

Mousasi can’t make 185 anymore.

I don’t think Strikeforce really has too many fighters to put against Mousasi, so he may hold that belt for a while. The UFC owns 205. There are enough fighters in most other divisions to make a decent weight class for an organization outside of the UFC, but the bulk of the best at 205 are all in the UFC.

He’ll either fight Jacare or Lindland. He would get LNP’d by the law and get worked over by Jacare.

if marqaurd, franklin, wand, hendo and belfort can make 185 so can gaygard. if he had any nuts those are the guys he would fight at 185, oh and anderson silva too. this is babs first defense of a world title he won by beating bobby southworth, hahahahahaahaha. piece of shit belt, everyone knows it. if gaygard wants any respect he should cut all ties with M1 and not associate with mmas heavyweight pariah and all out chickensh!t loser femilianenko

paniczoo is starting up the Mousasi hate-train eh? YOU don’t know anything about Mousasi. He says he can’t make 185 anymore. He freaking gave up a BELT because he couldn’t make the weight. But yeah, he did it because he’s scared and doesn’t have any balls. Idiotic thing to say man.

And NOW, after Mousasi beat the crap outta Babs, the Strikeforce belt is a joke. Yesterday Babalu was a legit champ, now its a joke belt. Funny stuff.

I would enjoy a rematch with Jacare. The first fight was a bit of a fluke. It is not that often that you see someone win by way of upkick. I am not saying that Gegard wouldn’t win, just saying that it would have been a good fight.

Yeah, not many people win by upkick, but that doesn’t mean its a fluke. Upkicks are a part of the game. If Jacare pulled off a flying armbar, or scissor heel hook it wouldn’t be considered a fluke, even though those dont happen too much. A rematch is completely unnessecary right now, imo

Maybe you missed the part where I said “I am not saying that Gegard wouldn’t win.” I am not trying to get into semantics, whatever you want to call it, it was a strange and dissappointing end to what could have been a great fight. Maybe the rematch is not necessary, but who does Strikeforce have at 205?

Yeah I got what you were saying, and I wasn’t trying to jump on your case or anything. Upkicks are rare, but they are as legit as any other knockout, imo.

Rumors are to have Jacare fight Shields for the belt anyway.

synister – here are the facts,

a. the strikeforce belt at 205 is a joke, it was last held by bobby southworth, all the best 205 fighters are in the ufc. sobral is decent but only really mid level he had a shot at ufc gold but never would again, jason lambert kod him and he was the best that strikeforce has to offer.

c. he can make 185 lbs

Fact is that he USED to make 185. You can’t really say that he still can. You have no facts to back that up.

We do agree on one thing. Mousasi needs to get the f*ck away from M-1 and Fedor. They will not bring the best around to him.

lol, syn are you expecting paniczoo to back his claims with facts? jesus christ! that is probably more to ask than world peace

garra you are a waste of space, never add anything to a discussion. you are a hanger-on

syn, gegard is 6’1 and doesnt have a particularly large frame at that, he has no dificulty making 205 at all and i think came into the “super hulk tournament” lolz at 203lbs. i think he can make 185 because he is young and has made the cut a bunch of times before (didnt he have about 20 fights in mw?). he may not like doing it, he may not have been doing it right, he may have been advised by fedor or the m1/red devil chronies to not bother cutting…. but he could make 185 as easy as anderson silva, marqaurd and franklin – who are all the same size or bigger than mousasi and all get down from 210-220 lbs to compete at 185.

its fair to say he doesnt want to cut or doesnt like to cut to 185, but not that he cant. as the dream mw champ he was in a prime spot to sign with the ufc and take on franklin and hendo for a shot at anderson silva (instead of signing up for the hulk tourny). that would impress people, fighting on the smaller promotions against b level fighters when you could be in the big time shows fighting the best in the world just doesnt make sense or impress anyone, being young is no excuse, he should strike while the irons hot, if he loses it will be against the best and build his experience and exposure anyway and he is young enough that it wouldnt matter.

this is why i admire people like bj, a silva and even brock, they set their sights on the championships in the big show and go for it as soon as possible, no messing around swapping weight classes and orgs or fighting giant sloths and b grade has beens, at least until you have proven yourself.

Syn… I’m from the UK so woke up this morning and just watched it, gutting!

I can only eat humble pie and bow down. Convinced, yes, impressed yes, wish I hadn’t run my mouth yes!!!

All good buddy.

Nick- Sorry man, I had to call you out on it. lol. Till next time!

paniczoo- He fought the Open Weight Tourny at 220, or 230. The same weight he fought at the Fields Dynamite vs that K-1 dude, Musashi.

Mousasi wants to eventually make his way to Heavyweight. If that is his goal, why would he waste his time losing any muscle for a fight at 85? If you’re so adamant about a fight with Franklin or Hendo, they can do a 195lb fight, like Mousasi would have done vs Vitor.

Point is though, if he says he can’t make the weight, you cant just say that because he’s made it before that he can still make it. You have no basis for arguement there. SHOULD he go to UFC and build his legacy there? — YES he should. But its not like he’s got X amount of fights left in his career, so I dont mind him taking his time to get there.

Firstly his official fight weight for both the mark hunt and musashi fights was 97kilos – thats 213lbs.. so we were both wrong, although your claim of 230 was a bit of a stretch. But it remains clear that he can still cut to 185 from that weight as there are guys cutting from more than that.

fair enough if he wants to be a hw and is actively building himself up in muscle he wont be able to cut as easy, but he chose to do it, its not like he was forced not to fight at 185 but seems to have made a decision, i cant help but suspect that fedor has said “its easier to fight at hw and make lots of money cuz you get big slow tired out guys with no skill but still get paid better”
he was doing great at 185 and if it aint broke why fix it?
i say to avoid a loss against the real top guys at 185. i hope he proves me wrong.
just to remind you that when vitor made a name for himself in the ufc against randy he was 20 years old and was at hw – nearly 230 lbs – his last 2 fights were at 185, vitor is the same height as mousasi but with a more powerful build i am still adamant that mousasi could make 185 without a problem, he just chooses not to.

as far as making it to the top in hw as he claims is his goal, wouldnt that mean fighting his best friend fedor?

I can see where some people would say that it was a late stop by Rosenthal, but I agree with you. Gina didn’t take any serious damage, so it was a good stop.

of course it was a good stop! if anything, i would have stoped it earlier than that.~

gina stopped defending herself around 4 or 5 seconds left.~

she took some serious power shots that were unnecessary.~

late stoppage, for sure~

still should have made her keep moving on bottom for 10 focking seconds damn, if i was her corner i would feel like SHIT

Oh my bad, i thought you were talking about when she stood up. I agree, she should have moved/flailed to make it to the next round. But i was surprised at how fast she gassed. Anyways ugly/sloppy fight and that is definitely not how P4P females fight.

kit cope predicted this, they train fighters to look good and not be good.. it wasn’t nerves that made her gasout fast, it wasn’t nerves that made her just quit… and it wasn’t nerves that didn’t tell her 8 freaking seconds dude.. she needs a new goddamn camp and so does forrest griffin, you don’t see an aka or greg jackson trained fighter just flatout giving up and running out like forrest did, and jackson would never have let a fight be stopped with 8 seconds left.. plain and simple couture didn’t give a shit

The term you are looking for is Xtreme Fashion according to cope.

Kit Cope doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about. He was good in Muay Thai, but he did terrible in mma. Extreme Couture has a lot of great fighters. I think if it wasn’t for Randy, Forrest would have never held the belt in the first place.

Randy- Didn’t Jackson train Rashad for his fight against Lyoto?

You just can’t lay the blame for a loss on the camp.

Agreed! Mousasi isn’t going to walk into the UFC’s 205 division anytime soon. That would be feeding him to the wolves.

Sobral is a good tough fighter with out a doubt but beating him doesn’t put you in the top 5 rankings I would say he’s more of a gatekeeper calibure UFC fighter.

he would get killed in ufcs 185 never mind 205. if you meant he was a lhw fedor in that hes dodging real competition then you are spot on- funny he has faced 2 of fedors cheapest wins in his last 2 fights aswell. shame cuz he seems like a cool guy and very talented, hope he is just using m1 to make his name and will turn legit next year after he fights soko and another fedor can – hong man choi- wow 3 fedor cans in 4 fights – anyone see a pattern emerging here? next for gaygard is zulu and a 400lb tim sylvia? PLEASE NO.
GO TO TH UFC MUSASI, FIGHT THE WORLDS BEST AT 185 AND 205, THERE IS NOTHING FOR YOU AT STRIKEFORCE, DO THE RIGHT THING!

Yeah I dont think Gegard elite yet at all. Babs was a good B level fighter. I think he could give the LHWs ranked 5 and under a very tough fight, and the top 5 would be tough fights for him. He’s only 24/25 years old though.

exactly, gegard is still young. i think he will end up fighting in the ufc sometime next year~ i hope.

First of all Mousasi would trash a majority if not all of the non top 10 fighter at both 185 and 205 in the UFC. Definitely a 10 top middleweight and top 15 @ 205 right now for sure. Also panic it’s not like he has a choice until his dream and strikeforce contracts run out. Why wouldn’t he fight cans for a truckload of money. You sse how he laughs everytime he says “superhulk tournament,” he knows that’s nothing more than a sham. Coming to the UFC won’t allow him to keep fighting in K1 and try his hands at higher level boxing. He has said that he will eventually land there after he’s done doing things he wants to do.

i just hate to see talent like that go to waste, the hulk tournament is a waste of time for all involved and the 2 belts he has won dont count for much when 90% of the best fighters in those divisions are in the ufc. he only had 1 k1 fight and messing around with boxing at this stage in such a promising mma career is just mad.

put it like this,

his 4 fights after winning the dream mw touney will be

1. mark hunt
2. babs sobral
3. sokojoke
4. hong can choi

if he had stuck at 185 and joined the ufc they could have been

1. vitor belfort
2. damian maia
3. anderson silva
4. dan henderson

or even at 205 in the ufc

1. anderson silva
2. shogun
3. rampage/rashad
4. lyoto machida

which gives him the best comp, best experience, best exposure, biggest test, most exiting fights, most money and is best for the fans? what is he waiting for? an invitation?

Well he said on the JB show that he called up Joe Silva after the M1 lying non sense and he was told that there was no offer made to him so at this point the UFC isn’t interested yet. He mentioned they weren’t too thrilled about the EA game thing too because as mentioned before he’s very young and there is a long time period to market and make $$$ out of him. Still it’s inevitable that he lands there- the cream always rises to the top.

Here, here!

ouch – the shoshaft

I hate his fn puns. Seriously can’t stand them. Funny enough though i can’t get enough of Michael Schiavello. That guys is special in all kinds of ways when it comes to commenting!!! “More lines than a cocaine addict.”

Michael Schiavello – the voice – champagne! love him,

“That round was ugly but entertaining… just like the last girl I dated.”

“Look at the redness around his ribcage, it looks like he’s been barbecued.”

“He’s so short he could milk a cow standing up. You know he went to Tokyo Disneyland last week and they wouldn’t let him on any of the rides.”

yeah Mike Schiavello is awesome!!

i’d watch that!

LMAO – About time I get a chuckle instead of all the Hatorade. I thought the SF show was pretty good. Gilbert looked good, Verdum is a definite contender (beat GG and Vera by KO if you recall) I dug the main event. I was really in to it. I wish it would’ve went longer and think 3 minute rounds would’ve favored Gina. As far as Mousassi goes, he is a bonafide bada$$ under any organization. He’s one to watch. I hope he and Fedor go at a little in their exhibition. Everyone knows the UFC has more depth, so don’t beat a dead horse, keyboard warriors. Strikeforce still has some great fighters and between that, their shows and boxing, Showtime is $12/month well spent. Sorry people outside the US had to pay more, but I read it was $24.

I LOVE HAWAII!