Strikeforce results and LIVE fight coverage for Carano vs Cyborg

Strikeforce is talking to Showtime to have the Werdum fight moved to the main card, and not move anything to the prelims. They have a good shot since there is 1 less title fight now.

On the other hand,… how awesome is Dos Santos for showing the world how big a DB Werdum is. I bought Showtime just for this event. PW you’re welcome to come join us again!

I never got why all the Werdum hate? THe guy is like a heavyweight Demien Maia with a little better stand up. So he underestimated Dos Santos and came into a fight fat and out of shape…he already paid the price. I doubt it will ever happen again. IMO, werdum is definitely a top 12 Heavyweight, and I really look forward to watching hi m face fedor, Grim, overeem.

Werdum has world class jits, improving stand up working with Chutebox, and some nice size for a heavyweight.

I really look forward to seeing him back in action.

YOu fools love Mir and Bash Werdum? Get a Focking clue…any Idea what Werdum would do to Mir? Destroy him in all phazes of the game! But because the UFC hasnt marketed Werdum like Mir was, he gets dismissed and mir gets loved. YOou mindless puppets! Use your eyes and form your own oppinions instead of letting the UFC tells you who is good and who isnt!

what are u talking about? mir gets no love on this site. Werdum has no where neer the jits skills that maia has. he is a good fighter but did not have good performances in the UFC, and that’s why he gets bashed. i’d put money on mir if they ever fight, mir has way better standup and is no joke on the ground. werdum is 6-4 in his last 10, and has 5 career subs, mir is 7-3 in his last 10 (2 of those losses coming in his 1st 3 fights after his motorcycle accident), and has 7 career subs.

Mir fought a bunch of Cans! Werdum always fought top competition…thats why I dont just look up a fighters record when trying to make a point!

Frank Mir has NO STAND UP! Werdum would Muy Tai the FOCK out of him. It wouldnt even be a close fight. Name 1 good fighter Mir ever submitted? The opponents he subbed dont have better ground games then me! Tank? Brock (when he barely knew what ju jitsu was)? Tim Sylvia long before he ever even trained the ground game? Who has Mir Ko’ed besides a….Y am I even wasting time tlking about this? Fight wouldnt be close and werdum beat Mir 9/10 times!

John, alot of people picked Mir over Brock because people hate Brock. Mir is a respectable HW and belongs in the mix but I wouldn’t say there are true Mir fans like true GSP/Anderson/BJ fans.

john g Mir would work Werdum worse than Junior in the stand up and he would destroy him with his JJ on the ground he’s also would out strength Werdum as well he is faster than Werdum LOL I can’t believe some of you guy’s every MMA site taht rates fighters has Mir ahead of Werdum way ahead of werdum there is no disputing that fact I’ve watched them both fight Werdum is more like Gonzoga calibure. Werdum with less strength than Mir would get destroyed by Brock easily LOL not even a challenge the fact you are trying to hype Werdum is cool but sorry only fools would agree my friend.

Yep every MMA ranking has Mir as a better fighter than Werdum hmmm? I don’t understand why you believe Werdum is better maybe your his fan or maybe your a Fedor fand trying to find some sort of dignity for the suppose best fighter in the world fighting much lower ranked opponents than his own more than any other MMA fighter in the world? There’s no denying it even WAMMA who is known for their liking of Fedor has Mir ahead of Werdum. But then again we can all throw names out there and say this guy is better than that guy I just wish we could see a Werdum and Mir fight I don`t think Werdum would last more than two rounds against Mir LOL.

U guys are so stupid! Your comments make me never want to speak to either of you again!

nope, I am not a fan of Werdum, and I dont care who Fedor fights cause he makes everyone look sily, regardess of what Organizatioon they fight in….I just chose to evaluate fighters with my own eyes, and not by what the UFC’s marketing team tells me…you guys should try it!

John I gotta agree with them. Werdum’s stand up is improving, but its not good as good as Mir’s. Mir has never been known as a good striker, but his movement vs Nog was good. I know Nog wasn’t himself that night, but that had NOTHING to do with Mir’s movement and footwork. At 100, he showed flashes of improved stand up vs Brock.

Werdum survived with AA, but never showed any kind of promise. He looked terrible and like a fish outta water vs Vera, and finally looked comfortable vs Santos, but when he got KO’d he threw a retarded looking overhand while ducking his head and closing his eye. NOT traits of a “good” Muay Thai artist. I have never seen the Gonzo fight, so I can’t comment on that.

I would bet that Mir would beat Werdum.

Hey Mania, are you ever going to post some results? you know, some of them do bet the undercard fights!

Thats what I was wondering John.. the 1st 2 fights of the undercard are already over.

Beaver – The fact that you said Mir would work him on the ground tells everyone reading your comments that you know nothing about either guys.

lol john, you’re clearly delusional. Werdum is a HW Maia? Please…

And Werdum has been stand up than Mir?

I want some of what you’re smoking…

Mir does not have good stand up! Mir is not good! He is about to go on a big losing streak unti he becmes irreavent again. Remember you heard it here 1st!

As for the ground game….Werdum would make mir look like a whitebelt! Real talk!

Syn: you know I respect your knowledge so I will come at you with respect, but some of the points you made are irrelevant! Why bring up the Arlovski fight? whats the point? that was before he trained with Chute box…back then he didnt even know how to make a fist! lol…..If you are going to bring that up, then all I have to say is that Mir got TKO’ed by Cruz, who I have better stand up then….Argument over!

Howeverm both fighters have changed a lot since those fights. I cant believe that the Nog fight and 30 seconds standing with Brock who has 4 fighst under his belt, lead you guys to think mir is Cheik Kongo in the stand up.

I pray that this fight happens 1 day, because there isnt a single doubt in my mind that werdum would beat him at least 8/10 times!

DRedge, take away Nog, and Werdum has the best ju jitsu in the heavyweight division….thats all I was trying to say. While Mir was too afraid to test himself in major grappling tournaments, Werdum was racking up all kinds of titles…Believe me when i say that Werdum’s jits is a level or two above Franks!…no doubt in my mind about that!

Damn it: I knew Isaih would get upset…wish I had the balls to bet him!

FOCK…I wanted to bet the undercsrd fighhts…I picked all 4 right, and I didnt get the bets in in time! FOCK!!!!

John thank you! Mir will soon enough be back amongst the Antoni Hardonks of the world before he gets the boot. I don’t know why people can’t seem to break down technical skills beyond looking at obvious things. I want one person to tell me what was so fn impressive about Mir’s standup against Nog. What head movement?Diverse combinations? slick footwork beyond circling in one direction? The man doesn’t even move his upper body when strikes for christ sake. Nog showing up dead suddenly makes Mir a K1 striker. Werdum sucks just as bad as mir standing but at least he has decent power. Werdum can at least take shots without getting all flustered. As far as his wrestling – just look at the takedown he goes for on Hardonk where he leaps up/backwards, ducks his head down and runs forward and tell me how his wrestling game is. I am convinced 50% of maniacs here have a better takedowns from range than both him and werdum. In the clinch and Ground though i won’t even bother discussing who’s better because if you don’t know then it means you have a lot of MMA to catch up on.

I dont think Mir is a Kongo by far. But I think he has better stand up than Werdum.

But the respect is mutual. Just my opinion. If Mir goes down in his next few fights, I will man up and eat crow like I should. But I think he’s better than what you give him credit for.

But anyways, STRIKEFORCE!!!

He does have better standup than Werdum, that’s for sure!.. Werdum s’ck, and he is extremely boring!

and Mir is really bad standing up, he is made by the UFC they made him. hyped him up like crazy after the win over Lesnar, a fight he was getting brutalized in, and got a lucky sub after a rookie mistake by Lesnar.. And how nobody in the UFC wanted to point out how bad Nog was that night, I would have used his head as a speedbag that night!

WOOOOOOOOOOOW what a KO from mousasi

man, that was painful watching Carano/Cyborg, what is Gina doing messing up her face.. She should retire, I have no desire seeing her fight or any women fight MMA proffessionally for that matter

John, i never said Mir has great standup, but it is way better then Werdum (since Werdum has no standup game whatsoever). on the ground Mir’s jits is good enough that he would not get submitted by Werdum. this is through my eyes, not the UFC hype machine, just because not everyone sees things your way does not mean they don’t come up with their own opinions.

No bullshit bullsh*t everytime you put the facts infront of these Fedor fans they try and bring the “UFC hype machine” as the reason behind what they think? Are they really that stupid and don’t realize the UFC hype machine is MMA fans and they are cutting them down. The fact is Werdum lost his last UFC fight, the fact is every ligit ranking system does not have Werdum in the top ten and they all have Mir in the top five nonamerequired is more like nommaIQ LOl Werdum all of a sudden becomes a top ranked fighter nonamerequired since when and who do you think your fooling? I agree Werdum is solid fighter but Mir would pick him a part.

name one part where i wrote he was a top ranked fighter. I just said that he’s way better than Mir who is a trash fighter whose ranking is way underserved. You keep saying he would pick him apart but you don’t mention a single technical skill that he has an advantage with. This isn’t 1993 where “he’s a wrestler so he doesn’t want to be on his back” means anything. If you can tell me anything about Mir’s game that he has displayed in his past that would give Werdum trouble then i’ll believe you. Until then, keep dreamin buddy. Also Ranking systems are based on fight resume, not abilities. But you’ll see soon enough when mir gets trounced out of the top 10 by none other than “i don’t have a ground game and used to be top 10 as well cheick kongo.”

Hmmm the fact that Werdum wouldn’t be able to submit Mir alone is a huge advantage for Mir, you say werdum has better striking but you base that off of earlier performances. If you use your common sense and look at their latest fights it’s clear Mir’s is more dangerous now yes two years ago Werdum’s was probaly better but against Brock we only seen a glimpse and trust me when I say this Mir’s next opponent will see first hand as NOG did the improved Mir as every expert agree’s Mir is the better fighter. JJ is one style but Mir is better at positioning on the ground as he isn’t a great wrestler but he’s a good MMA wrestler and would have no problem controling Werdum on the ground were there JJ would cancel eachother out but Mir GnP would pick Werdum apart.

1. Werdum can submit Mir. Watch the last round of his fight with Nog to see how good his grappling game is. Also watch what Ian fn Freeman did to Mir despite all his submission skills. Their accolades are vastly different and no one in the world would dispute the difference level between them on the mat. Werdum has and will continue to sub anyone not on his level in BJJ.

#2. Mir’s wrestling sucks by all standards. Ducking your head and running forward is not wrestling. Watch all of his fights for proof, but the Hardonk fight for how aweful his technique is. Sidenote, so does Werdum’s but at least he does excellent work with his TDs from clinch.

#3. His striking is vastly improved is a myth. Just because he had 0 striking to begin with and now he throws straight punches it doesn’t mean he’s an awesome striker. He still does a lot of things wrong, if you care to watch things other than the punches he lands. Sidenote, Werdum’s striking sucks just as horrible but he’s got decent power.

#4. Mir has never ever GNP’d or tried to in his life. That comment makes about as much sense as the “Keys to victory” they do in strikeforce.

#5. Mir can’t handle being hit. In every single fight his gameplans always go out the door at the first sign of adversity. That’s not the case with Werdum. Dos Santos simply put him out but watch any of his fights going back to Jungle Fight if you want.

#6. Please don’t mistake me for a werdum fan (he’s a poor man’s Nog) or trying to be a dick but i am spending this much time because your comments make as much sense to me as saying Chuck liddell is a world class leglocker. Still i am on this site coz i enjoy these discussions.

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thats why u can’t bet big on the net ~ cause the odds r whack!

lol @ “crackhead bookie” ~ my book keep has never smoked a ciggy, let alone a crackpipe.. heck, she has never even smoked poll[cause she’s lesbo]~ lol

u must have never delt with a book keep.. did u know that u can talk with them? its not like the way u bet..

bookies negotiate ~ computers don’t

i have known all my book keeps for a while.[i have 3]
i talk odds with them first, then place a bet.. book keeps don’t have the same odds posted for everyone.. lol u thought that??
 
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Ok thanks man.

Exactly.

The time does matter. That is silly.

If there are 4 minutes left in a round or 0.5 seconds, the time matters.

A guy who might tap to a RNC with 4 minutes left, may not if he knew there was 1 second left.

well, that wasn’t what you were saying and that wasn’t what i was saying…
The ref can’t look at the time, she wasn’t defending herself and he had to step in..

the ref can’t look at the time, don’t u get it? If a fight should be stopped then it is stopped no matter what’s left of the round..

Strikefarce.

You’re right, we shouldn’t take away from what Fedor did, but we should criticize the hell out of him for ducking the UFC so that he can fight the likes of Fabricio Verdum and Ricco Rodriquez.

Calling Fedor the best HW on the planet is like saying the White Sox are the best team in baseball right now because they won the World Series in 2005.

Gina, Playboy is on line one for you.

Agreed, Gina had gone fetal position. I could tell about half-way through the round that Gina wanted no part of Cyborg once she started feeling that power… she had the Rich Franklin v Spider Silva look in her eyes. Notice, no one jumped up complaining that it was stopped early from Gina or her camp…just you haters really.