Miguel Torres: 'No excuses' for knockout loss to Brian Bowles at WEC 42

I think if those two wanted to fight eachother it would be a horrible fight due to them both being more counter-punchers. If you made them fight when they clearly didn’t want to, I believe they’d stink out the arena with a 5 round dance off and start a riot!

To bring the best out of those two you need a lumbering oaf to be constantly lurching forward at them to give them a target, a role beautifully fulfilled by token sacrificial lamb Forrest Dump last night. If they both fought eachother neither man would be willing to play the Forrest role and it would have the potential to be a horrible stalemate.

I don’t know dog, it all depends on how motivated Andy and Lyoto are but I think that it has the potential to be an outstanding fight. Right now nobody can touch either of them and the only competetive fight for them both at this point is to face each other. Machida-Evans was expected by some to be boring because both are counterpunchers but that turned out to be an exciting beatdown. Then again, I’m never bored by Anderson Silva fights, even the Cote and Leites ones were entertaining because of Silva showing them both up for their lack of talent and negative tactics.

Hopefully Andy will move up to LHW full-time so he can finish his career in MMA with superfights instead of beating the same MWs. This would also give Maia his opportunity at the belt if he beats Nate.

lol who was saying they put their whole roll on torres?

I gotta disagree with you dave, can’t see those two putting on anything remotely entertaining. There’d be so much prancing, showboating, ducking, feinting, bobbing and weaving going on, it’d be more akin to a performing arts show than an MMA fight.

I agree with your last paragraph though, that makes sense.

“it’d be more akin to a performing arts show than an MMA fight.”

LMAO!

Nothing wrong with performing arts. Seriously mate Anderson Silva has been my favourite fighter since I started watching the UFC just as he destroyed Leben so I’m never going to criticise him and Machida is another of my favourites so no matter what happens I get to see two of my favourite fighters in the main event and find out which one is the best. I’d be the last person on this site to criticise their fight so I’m not going to call it boring before it happens. Chances are it won’t anyway.

Got to hand it Bowles. He came ready and executed. Torres is a monster and will be back strong. Now I really look for him to tighten up his boxing and really work on his defense. I know is cliche, but I really do think this loss will motivate Torres and help him improve.

Again, congrats to Bowles.

Yes.

LOL

The Miguel Torres era has ended, and the Brian Bowles Movement has begun.

Bowles has always looked impressive in his WEC fights and last night was no exception. I hope we don’t hear anyone claim “lucky punch” because he clearly dropped Torres in the first minute of the fight as well (haven’t read comments yet). Plus, he left Torres Bisping’d on the canvas.

LOL @ Bowles Movement.

Torres will have to change up his game because he can’t bang with Bowles. If goes back in and tries to again the same thing will happen. Also, Dominic Cruz looked great too..Torres better get his mind right.

VM, you are right, it had nothing to do with getting “clipped”, “caught”, “lucky punches” or anything else like that. I think overconfidence played a big part here but as a Torres fan I was nervous coming into this fight for a few reasons. Torres seemed to be convinced his chin was untouchable and those guys inevitably get rocked. Bowles hits real hard is fast and strong and has skills everywhere. I still believe that Torres is a better fighter and wins a rematch but he has always fought the way most of us wish Anderson would fight. He knows his skills are way above most guys and pushes forward and attacks constantly. He throws long combos and leaves openings for counters because he tries to put on exciting fights and wants to dismantle everyone he fights and as he said in an interview “wants to define himself to that person” and make a real impression on his opponents life. I think he gets a rematch relatively quickly, keeps his defense tighter and wins via sub(triangle). Bowles is no joke and will be around for quite awhile. These two will run the division. I also like Curran at that weight(he got robbed).

Please stop with the move up in weight thing now. I wanted it before too but we have seen him get touched up now and with the strength disadvantage he would face and his weakest part of his game being wrestling and the fact that his chin is not impervious, it’s a bad idea against guys like MTB Faber and Aldo. Nevermind 155, that would be a joke. Still love the guy tho, his record speaks for itself.

PW and gang, I got the ol’ VM TM on “The Bowles Movement”. Thought of it last night as I laid in bed in shock and couldn’t wait to share with my maniacs!!!

I made the mistake of not giving Brown the respect he deserved for KO’g Faber and it took his mauling of Garcia for me to realise that he was that good, so I’m not going to make any excuses for Miguel. Bowles outclassed him, full stop. He rocked him with the first meaningful strike, took him down and made Torres get desperate and try to do a Belfort before perfectly timing his punch and emphatically stopping Torres.

Outstanding performance from Bowles, Miguel will have to considerably improve his defence in striking and wrestling if he is going to win a rematch, Bowles on this form will take some beating.

I agree, making two reluctant opponents fight eachother could have horrible reprocussions!

Exactly. Why piss them off and risk losing them?? Besides who among us would want to fight one our good friends?? Not me. And I doubt that either of them are hurting for money now that they are champions.

Even if they wanted to fight, their styles are too alike and would make for an absolute 5 round borefest stinker!

That is the truth it has all the ingredients for a 5 round snoozer!!

No offense, but this is an individual sport, just like golf, Nascar, tennis, and a whole slew of other sports. There is no reason these guys can’t fight each other and remain friends, it’s done all the time. This “team” bs is the beginning of fighters demanding who they fight and when they fight (ala boxing). I have to agree with the UFC on this. If they don’t want to fight their teammates or friends, then don’t be a fighter in an individual sport. Just because you train at the same gym doesn’t mean you cannot compete against your friend.

This has been debated many times before. Who would have access to what coach and on what day? Who would corner each fighter come fight night? Which team mates would spar with who? I dont have a problem with team-mates having to fight eachother if it would make for a great fight. Silva vs Machida I believe would be horrible due to their reluctance to fight eachother and their similar styles.

I see your point slim and I would just think that if I was in that position I would not want to fight my friend so I can’t blame them for saying no. And yeah k-dog the fight would more than likely produce Zzzzzzs’

Is that really you dragon?

He got dominated. He couldn’t take it because he is an emotional guy.

Where was Forrest’s trademark “heart” last night??? If that’s deserted him, he’s got f@ck all left!

It has to be devastating loss for him you think he was really out or that he knew he had nothing for anderson and just quit??

He had nothing and quit, he waved it off for the ref.

Lol yeah so far 2day it is me k-dog.

Sad. Where does Forrest go from here??

He did that versus Rashad too. He tapped while eating some punches.

Yo k-dog what was our argument with Ralphie about?? I forgot was it that we had Florian and he had Penn or that he had Griffin and we had Silva?? I would like to give a friendly gigging!! Wait that don’t sound right……lol :D

Don’t know where he goes from here, I cant see him getting to title contention again. A fit shogun would destroy him, obviously Machida and Rashad(again) too. Maybe give him Mark Coleman or feed him to Bones Jones.

It might possibly be the end of his career. How old is he?? Maybe he find another role in the organazation if he keeps losing.

We had Silva and for some reason unbeknown to anyone with a shred of MMA knowledge, he went for Griffin??

Poor guy, I will stil tease him next time he posts thanks for the reminder, I drink too much. lol

Funny how he aint showed up on here? I really thought he would, yeah right!