Georges St. Pierre wants to compare karate with Lyoto Machida
by MMAmania.com on Aug 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT
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"My Karate style is Kyokushin and Lyoto’s is Shootokan, the rules are a little different. But I think it isn’t the style that makes the fighter, is the fighter that makes itself, and Lyoto Machida is a great fighter. I would love [to train with him], because I love Karate and Lyoto is a great fighter."
Georges St. Pierre talks about his desire to train alongside fellow karate practitioner and UFC champion, Lyoto Machida, sometime in the near future. "Rush," who primarily trains with Firas Zahabi at Tristar Gym in Montreal and Greg Jackson in New Mexico, often mixes up his camps to maximize his performance inside the Octagon. He has enlisted the services of Olympic boxers and wrestlers, as well as Muay Thai under Phil Nurse and kickboxing under French master Jean-Charles Skarbowski. Oh yeah, he also has a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Bruno Fernandes from the Gracie Barra camp. He's well rounded to say the least. Perhaps a return to his roots -- he took up Kyokushin Karate at seven-years-old to defend himself against a bully -- is the next evolution of the 170-pound champion? Scary.
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if these two can teach one another a thing or two they will be incredible fighters , not that they aren’t already
by TheDragon on Aug 1, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
ST. PIERRE whith MACHIDA karate, now thats scarry.
by TaPouT on Aug 1, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They can teach each other. I like both. I think it would be great for both.
by iagoof22 on Aug 1, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
doubt it will happen. Gsp is being pressured into a fight with Anderson. No chance in hell Machida would train with him then!
by Jizz dollar on Aug 2, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
scary how machida teaches gsp how to drink some piss while doing push ups first thing in the morning
by gaara on Aug 3, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Now that sounds like that would be a pretty interesting fight
by ice_venom on Aug 2, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hello there
i’m affraid that after lyoto machida success, they will
start to call it brazilian karate. I mean, if you know
roger federer, they don`t call it swiss tenis
by thevenomdude on Aug 16, 2009 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a shame we don’t see as much of his striking nowadays…
by MoonUk on Aug 1, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
He showed just enough to mess Alves’s face.
by WereGonnaGoToTheDeath on Aug 1, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It sure did. But I only saw like 1 spinning back heel kick on that fight.
by Syd on Aug 1, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Georges is a much better boxer, and a more active striker thats for sure…
by RoBerto on Aug 1, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to compare penis with Machida. Did I say penis? I mean karate.
by PW on Aug 1, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well PW, that would be the second weirdest request Machida had recieved next to Forrest asking to drink his pee stright from the tap.
by DB on Aug 1, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
hey smart one tothedeath, to bad that damage came from the ground
by UltimateSquint on Aug 1, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
its interesting since GSP is the best wrestler in the UFC. Imagine if he fought like Machida, that would be scary
by donkeyballs on Aug 1, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoa, GSP training with the guy that KO’d one of his training partners.
by JV on Aug 1, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Evans would have won that fight if Machida wouldn’t have covered his whole body in vaseline and urine.
by WereGonnaGoToTheDeath on Aug 1, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I just want to see them fight. screw all this buddy buddy training crap and forget about the weight difference. they are both men so let them fight and then we will see which style of karete is better.
by spitforce on Aug 1, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, you can’t “forget” 35 pounds. That’s a big steak.
by ftg314 on Aug 1, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
and besides they never said they wouldnt fight that i know of, never heard of it mentioned between these, 2 but like mentioned already they are 2 classes apart, maybe if lyoto dropped one and GSP went up one then could happen. Would be interesting though
by DantheMan on Aug 1, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
And plus isn’t GSP supposed to fight Anderson at some point? I’m not too sure Anderson would be too keen on Machida getting friendly with a potential be opponent.
by DB on Aug 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Andersons a smart guy, wouldnt he like having Machida train with GSP? Then he could get a lot of first hand info on GSP, especially if it came through a guy like Machida. Machida could figure out a lot about anybody while training with them, that would be useful to Silva.. Just a thought
by medecine balls on Aug 1, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP isn’t the fearless striker he used to be because he knows he doesn’t have an iron chin so he just goes for the takedowns. There’s no point for him to learn from Machida cuz he won’t strike until his opponent is gassed so what’s the point. Besides, he must be out of his mind if he thnks Machida is gonna help him train when he is calling out Machida’s good friend Anderson Silva.
by David on Aug 1, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed. GSP won’t engage in stand-up unless his opponent is gassed by his endless takedowns. I can understand him using this strategy against Alves, who is a better striker but against Koscheck, Fitch, Serra rematch? Come on, His striking is whole alot better than them but GSP still shoot for takedowns and waited striking until they’re gassed. He plays safe and smart but has become too much dependent on his wrestling lately.
by Lights Out on Aug 1, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say he’s become too dependent on his wrestling? He’s used his wrestling to completely dominate lately. Pretty sure that’s the goal.
by Diceman on Aug 1, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are blinded by your hate of GSP.
- He destroyed Fitch in the stand up.
- He outjabbed BJ Penn (who may have been tired, so what?).
- He dropped Alves, jabbed him like there was no tomorrow and out-leg-kicked-him.
HE OUT-LEG-KICKED ALVES!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!
by ftg314 on Aug 1, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Word. Alves was considered by far the best striker in the WW division, and GSP got the better of him in every exchange in every round. Oh, please forgive GSP for not standing in the pocket and wildly trading with a guy who’s only chance of winning was by stand-up KO.
As for GSP training with Lyoto, that would be awesome. Two of my all-time faves training under the same roof. They both have a lot to teach each other (insert homophobic urine-related jokes here).
by Jeremyjackson on Aug 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ftg314, GSP destroyed Fitch after tiring him with takedowns. GSP outjabbed Penn after tiring him with takedowns. GSP outlegkicked Alves after tiring him with takedowns. His striking won’t start after dozens of takedowns – that was my point, not saying he didn’t destroy his opponents.
by Lights Out on Aug 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Rubbish. He outstruck Alves from the perimeter in Round 1. When Alves came in recklessly he took him down. That’s how you beat straight-ahead Muay Thai. Nobody is giving Georges any credit for outstriking Alves EARLY on in that fight.
by Jeremyjackson on Aug 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i definatley saw alves jackin his ass pretty hard, but that dosent count if gsp jabs you and lands a few leg kicks.
since we are talking about how good gsp outstruck alves….what about alves ability to stuff a good number of TD or when he managed to get on top of GSP, gsp didnt, couldnt do a damn thing. how about alves standing it back up every time gsp hit the takedown
by UltimateSquint on Aug 1, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I see. So you’ve invented a new scoring criteria where GSP’s strikes ’don’t count’. Awesome. I think that ‘squint’ you’ve alluded to in your screen name is affecting your ability to see clearly.
“how about alves standing it back up every time gsp hit the takedown”
How about GSP dominating a massive Alves on one leg? How about Alves becoming the sixth elite fighter in a row to lose every single round against Georges? How about pulling your head out of your sphincter?
by Jeremyjackson on Aug 1, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You people hatin’ on GSP are insane. He had the perfect fight against Alves. Thiago didn’t know if he was going to get punched, kicked, or taken down untill it was too late. And to say GSP only outstruck Alves because he took him down so bany times and it gassed him out, it crazy, and makes it sound like he just layed on top of him all fight. The fact is GSP outstruck, and completely outclassed Alves everywhere the fight went. Beating him down, looking for subs, and advancing position the whole time you’re on the ground is the definition of an amazing ground game.
You people should open your eyes and realize you’re watching the rise and riegh of the most well-rounded mixed martial artist to date. Stop hatin’ on the guy for using his ground game so much, which is easily the deepest aspect of the sport. Just sit back and appreciate the fuckin’ beauty of his dominance.
Now I better put this pipe down before I start to ramble….lol
by Tom on Aug 1, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously…when did Alves “jack” GSP? And I clearly remember GSP dropping Alves with a straight right hand. Maybe GSP should just listen to idiots on this site and appease everyone who want to see a “stand up war”! He fights to win, has a good gameplan and detroys his opponents. What more do people want?
by Jake on Aug 1, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
no shit and for the guy that was saying alves stuffed alot of gsp’s takedowns, how many was that again, i bet you could could on one hand all the takedowns he “stuffed” and how many were successful? just stop hating and appreciate him for what he is, the best welterweight in the world, and one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world
by DantheMan on Aug 2, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Word Dan, GSP probably hit at least 80% of his takedown attempts.
by Brandon on Aug 3, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Its because GSP cant take a punch… He is a great athlete and a very skilled fighter… but not a tough guy… He hates getting hit… So you will see him take people down for the rest of his carrer.
by Chris99 on Aug 3, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP’s English > Machida’s English.
by WereGonnaGoToTheDeath on Aug 1, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Unconfirmed :
Machida’s left nut > Machida’s right nut.
by WereGonnaGoToTheDeath on Aug 1, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That is one thing I really miss about Pride is the open weight grand prix’s those were awesome. I remember when Gomi went against a heavy weight and had to quit before third round, because he was so tired from holding the bigger man’s weight but by no means would anyone have thought he would go that long and he looked like a great fighter doing it. I wish the UFC when they went to other countries would start up the grand prix and lets see who is the best pound for pound fighter in the world.
by Matt on Aug 1, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
Fedor vs Choi was something else too. He looked like a kid fighting a grown man and still won. Very impressive stuff. Don’t get me wrong though, the boycott on Fedor who’s running away from real competition is still on. Not one dime of my money will ever go to Fedor’s pockets until he fights the best contenders (who are all in the UFC).
Fedor no more.
Let’s boycott him back to Sambo land.
by WereGonnaGoToTheDeath on Aug 1, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
this will NEVER happen. MMA would not be sanctioned if this was allowed.
by Jake on Aug 1, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yea Grand Prix’s were exciting but they were for entertainment value and because MMA is being taken more seriously as a mainstream sport we can no longer have these open weight matchups as they are not fair not to mention dangerous!
by Randy for Couture on Aug 1, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s silly. A real martial artist does not depend on his opponent weighing the same or less and hoping that he can be the bigger bully. I don’t watch any of this for the straight entertainment like one may watch WWE. I could watch hockey if I just wanted to see two guys fighting. I watch MMA and Kickboxing to see martial arts at its best.
That’s one of the many, many reasons Bodog failed so badly. I tried watching but the fighters were so awful I couldn’t stand it. The only good thing that came from them was Gina Carano and the rise of women’s MMA.
To keep the UFC sanctioned, as it is they need to keep the weight classes separate but that doesn’t mean there should never be a Grand Prix. I’d love to see a free for all where the top guy’s are guaranteed a title shot. There should be one of these for each weight class every year.
by speedc on Aug 1, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
speed-
A ‘real martial artist’ can kick the crap out of a guy bigger than him if the guy he’s fighting doesn’t know shit. But when both guys are ‘real martial artists’ and their skills are close to evenly matched, the substantially bigger guy will win nine times out of ten.
The days of Royce Gracie tapping out barroom brawlers is over. The sport has evolved and every fighter has at least a rudimantary understanding of the major disciplines. Weight classes were implemented for a reason.
by Jeremyjackson on Aug 1, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Open-weight Grand Prixs were crazy, but the DREAM style set-weight Grand Prixs that are still happening are awesome too. Fighting twice in one night is badass.
by Jeremyjackson on Aug 1, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yes the Dream style set-weight Grand Prix is awesome.
by Jake on Aug 1, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
For those who thought GSP doesn’t want to fight Silva, I say training with Machida is exactly what I would do to prepare for a Silva fight.
But, because Machida and Silva are in love, GSP can only train with Machida as long as the GSP-Silva fight is not on the horizon.
That being said, I don’t think Machida will accept. GSP could teach him a lot of wrestling, but I think Machida is as douchy to non-Brazilians as A. Silva is. Of course, I could be wrong.
by ftg314 on Aug 1, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah if Machida believes Silva Gsp fight is going to happen he most likely won’t but then again he might think nothing of it at the time and piss Silva of making another dream match machida vs Silva!!!…………Sorry guy’s I was day dreaming.
by Beaver on Aug 1, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Tims his favorite fighter and the Puff Adder is you favorite snake?
by belfort_fan on Aug 1, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet that even if GSP went up in weight he would not be able to take down Machida 9 out of 10 times.
by Lestat on Aug 1, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
people have said that same thing about other guys hes fought, yet he still takes them down at will basically
by DantheMan on Aug 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing that differentiates Machida from those others that “can’t” be taken down, nobody can touch Machida but never under estimate GSP.
by CaptainLazy on Aug 1, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This would be the biggest martial arts collaboration ever! GSP and Machida will be able to really take it to a new level, they are both very well rounded and can both show each other some tricks. especially because they have similar karate background they will be able to relly relate to each others style. i would compare this like the collaboration of Fedor and gegard mousasi, those two are nasty as well.
by thedogwisperer1 on Aug 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
HAHA whats up with all these funny ass names?? Timsylvia4lyf, Puff Adder The dog whisperer1 lol its great.
by belfort_fan on Aug 1, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree biggest collaboration ever, but comparing it to fedor cough cough and mousasi is a joke, fedor has never faced top ranked opponets neither in their prime or opponets that were highly ranked worldwide, and for those that say of fedor beat tim and andre yeah he did but after they got booted from ufc because they are shit yeah they were good for a little while till there glass chins were exposed, GSP and machida with out a doubt are 2 of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, to say that about fedor and mousasi is very questionable, expecially fedor. and for mousasi name one person that is even or would be consider top ten that he has beat???
by DantheMan on Aug 1, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, why is everyone on Mousasi’s nuts. I want to see him fight a big name first before I become a believer.
by Jake on Aug 1, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
huh? Its not like collaborating on a movie. The two are not going to magically come up with Pierre-Machida Karate.
Watching them fight/spar would be interesting but most of us are not going to see that.
And all that team-mate loyalty stuff has gotta stop. Giving away a team-mates secrets is one thing (and not good) but not training with others outside of the circle just because the outsider mighty fight one of your guys is BS. Grow up MMA gangs are retarded.
by theotherguy on Aug 1, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
great post…agree completely. especially the “MMA gangs are retarted”. LMAO.
by Jake on Aug 1, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I rather see them fight each other. & Rush vs Andson Silva
by Ric Flair on Aug 1, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
I know Machida and Silva still have the same manager (along with Big nog and JDS), but from what I have read since black house issues from a couple of years back they no longer train together. Machida does most of his training at his own place in Belem.
Not to say they are still not friends, Silva has said he did not want the 205 belt as he thought that was for Machida, but I can’t remember reading anywhere what Machida thought about fighting Silva. I guess the 205 division is deep enough that they won’t have to face each other before Silva contract runs out.
BTW, I don’t believe GSP has ever called Silva out. He ask been asked many times about the potential fight but he always said its down to the UFC bookers.
by Casualfan on Aug 1, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
I would love to see these two guys sparring, I just hope it happens.
by nathan on Aug 2, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions
Who will remain champion the longest? That’s pretty much how I see the GSP/Lyoto relation.
by 2TimePennConqueror on Aug 2, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
What could GSP teach Machida besides wrestling… Thats right nothing…
by Chris99 on Aug 3, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
isnt it shotokan for machida not shootokan, i guess everything gsp says does sound different with that damn french accent
by thekujo on Aug 3, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
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