And Introvert, if you’re out there, don’t pretend that you’re the only one who thought this deal was dubious.

Ahem.

PLEASE GO AWAY FEDOR.

Mr. Humble guy.

What other fighter in the history of MMA asks for an organization to promote or affiliate with another company before he signs?

What sports figure has ever made this a condition?!

Do you want more money? “No.”

What do you want?

“I want you to completely change your organization and co-promote my own side organization.”

MORON!

The USA is no less communist than that of Russia.

Theyr are both full of shit….it wasn’t 30 million, and it was more than what this guy is saying too.

They will make a deal though.

Fight Rumor***

Apparently Coleman has said that the UFC is thinking about matching him up with Jon Jones. Tito’s first fight back and Liddell’s swan song are also (allegedly) possibilities he has discussed with the UFC.

Most of what people were mad about was not the money (5 mill or 2 mill or whatever it may be) it was the copromotion crap, which still seems to be true. Do I want Fedor in the UFC – Yes…Do I think the UFC should copromote with M1 – only if they’re retarded.

Im sick of all this UFC/M-1 shit, let them go back to their overseas sideshows and focus on fights that are going to happen once again

Jones literally kills Coleman

Tito works Coleman till his lings bleed

Coleman gets Koed by Chuck after multiple TD attempts causing the arena to errupt in laughter

Bones would beat the crap out of Coleman. Liddell vs. Tito, although okay, it doesn’t excite. Actually, if this is true, there are better match-ups for all four fighters. But in Bones’s case, he needs to slowly go up the ladder I suppose, so Coleman will be the next step before someone worthy.

actually Jones could try a ton of new moves on Coleman while Coleman stands with his hands at his waist “baiting” him to throw…

I don’t think Liddell/Tito 3 is an option, Kobajack. They are both possible opponents for Coleman.

Oh wait, you meant all match-ups with Coleman. My “bad.” Hmm, of all of them, Liddell would be the best option because Chuck is more likely to win.

They should have Tito face Bones.

Yeah Coleman did signed a new 3 fights contract deal.He says that,the UFC might use him as a gate keeper and John Jones was one of the possibilities.

Also, contrary to reports here and elsewhere, Paul Daley has apparently NOT signed with the UFC and is still in negotiations with various promotions. Wow, what an unbelievably awful week for the MMA media.

Anyway he suck(no ground game)!Him and Prof X only got cool nicknames and that’s it!

I just can’t wait to know what the press conference (of tomorrow)is about.What you think Dana’s gonna say.Also weird that nobody payed attention to Dana saying that he was going somewere(Europe I think),and at his return he will have a press conference.What he went to do in Europe?Don’t tell me it was for the ESPN deal?

I still want to see Tito fight Rich Franklin. Unfortunatly, Rich fights too soon for Tito to get good enough training. I think Tito facing Coleman would be a great match though. Tito would probably talk a ton of trash and Coleman would be extremely upset as he is such a seemingly emotional guy.

Yeah, Tito Franklin would be awesome. That’s the thing for Franklin, now that he’s kind of like a journeyman, he should be fighting top ten fighters all the time, win or lose, to impove his resume. It’s already started with Hendo and Wanderlei, now he needs to get Luiz “Banana” Cane, Tito, Forrest, even Liddell, just to name a few.

It would ROCK the HOUSE, yo!

LMFAO at banana. That would be a weird and awesome nickname. “Hey, did you guys hear? The Spider is taking on Banana this weekend.” LOL.

LOL!

I think the UFC offered him around $ 1 – 1,5 mil… I would be surprised if it was higher, Dana is known to lie when he doesn’t get what he wants and tries to embarrass the fighter in media…

Tito should not fight Jon Jones i don’t know who came up with that but it makes no sense at all, and if you think business wise it doesn’t make sense either they are both at totally different stages of their career’s and Tito needs a better comeback fight against a bigger name like Coleman/Franklin…

From Tito’s Myspace…

Date: Jul 30, 2009 6:00 PM
Subject: Big News Tomorrow!!!!!
Body: My fans have made a decesion easier for me to make. The future of my career will be made tomorrow. I hope you will be as happy as I am. Let the Punishment Begin!!!!!
Tito Ortiz
Punishment Athletics – Punishment ®

tito vs forrest is gonna happen…

Renzo Gracie talks about Ricardo Almeida.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIECDJQJl3E

So you guys think this is UFC for sure?

I’d say it probably is. The UFC is holding a press conference tomorrow so the timing seems right. Dana welcomed him back on the twitter as well. I would like to see Tito vs Rashad and Tito vs Forrest. It will be a while before we even get the chance to see either.

Nah, he’s talking about starring in a porn movie with Jenna called, “Ground and Pound — In Her @ss.”

He probably deserves a warm-up fight though.

I heard he pulled out ( ;-) ) of that Kobajack.

Loosely ( ;-) ) translated, he said it was like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

lmao!

Like Tito’s fans had anything to do with his ‘decesion’.

LOL,you guys would have laughed at the AVN 2 years ago.Jenna was alone at her stand with her prod.crew and nobody in the industry wanted to go talk to her(a lots of peps don’t like her).She was almost miserable.

Until a young man named Jacob knocked her off her feet (and onto her knees).

Shit Alpha, I’d have to tape my dick to my stomach just to be able to walk around in that place without looking weird.

Does this crystal slipper fit, my dear? Yeah? How ’bout this ball gag?

LOL!

How about I buy you a drink — or just cum in your mouth?

Okay, okay, I’m going too far now. :D

is that so Alpha, i’ve seen alot of ppl from the biz that loves Jenna.. I watched that AVN btw, it was fun when a guy yelled something about Chuck Liddell when it came to Tito haha..

Yeah RoB,believe it.The only one who like her are b/c they bare related with her products(toys).The rest don’t want anything to do with that superficial cunt who think she still got it b/c she as her prod cie who make shitty lesbos movies(I like these kind of movies btw,not hers).

I did answered you buddy.It’s still in mod.

How about Tito vs Himself, a good old fasion Jim carry Edward norton self beat down.

and to beat the best, you gotta find the best. That’s the test, to see if you’re like the rest.

Wow, man, TOTALLY poetic. RAD! That should be the tag line for an eighties-style “best of the best” movie. ;)

Yeah nice rhymes Hobbies!

Haha well done. Y’all some funny fucks.

I was thinking that me and Bennie Blanco had some great rhyming chemistry

Hehe, you did Ryan, you did.

Good. Go away Fedor. Go fight in Finkl’s backyard or something. I don’t want to read or hear about him anymore.

Well then you’ve come to the wrong place.

He came to the place to give his opinion. The right place if you ask me. I am tired of it too. However, I would like to see him compete in Strikeforce if not the UFC. There are some decent match ups there.

Just saying, if you don’t want to read about Fedor, probably not the place to surf right now.

Frankly nothing so far has been a surprise. Rumor, speculation, outright BS…..check, check and check. We need to keep in mind only a week has passed and this process however it plays out will likely take some time. As the wise prophet JJ said on an earlier thread, patience is a virtue.

For those bashing Fedor, keep this in mind. The UFC now has a very marketable HW champ in Lesnar. I’ve thought all along there is no great urgency for the UFC to negotiate out of desperation. No need exists for the UFC to jeopardize their future bargaining position with other top fighters to sign one guy. For this reason, expect the UFC to negotiate tough with Fedor, and from Fedor’s end, we all have the right in our respective professions to do what we think is best for us. None of us have all the facts.

I would like to hear Fedor’s perspective on the whole situation because it seems like these guys are making all of his decisions for him. He is the best fighter in the world and it seems like he doesn’t have the balls to think for himself. The UFC has done everything they can to reason with these ignorant bastards and still we can’t find a happy medium.

I’d like for Fedor to come and read our honest opinions and give us answers. I want to understand what was so wrong with what the UFC offered and what exactly they did offer. I would also want to know what FEDOR would want in order to sign a contract with the UFC. Keep Fink out of the picture.

**I meant keep Fink out of the explanation. I want to hear what Fedor would want in order to join and what it would take. Did anyone see the Dana White and Vladim negotiation vids on youtube? Pretty funny.

Ryan, get real. Do you really think Fedor is obligated to tell a fan blog that consists (right now) of 90% haters anything about business negotiations that will determine how the next several years of his life ensue? I would like to hear from him myself, but come on man.

Great post CL.

This is really no different from other major sports. Agents are the face of contract negotiations, like it or not. The agent is the mouthpiece and the athlete stays in the background. It’s frustrating at times, but it’s reality and serves the legitimate purpose of protecting a client in negotiations. I’ll say once again……it’s early…..and no one here has ALL the facts to reach conclusions.

Thanks JJ. We are watching a sport grow and evolve as a business entity at an incredibly fast pace, with mind-numbing changes and twists. I find the business side right now incredibly interesting.

I didn’t say I expected him to but it would help us “haters” to at least understand where he is coming from if there is actually a legitimate reason for his actions. It was also recently stated that Fedor looks at what is said on the internet and that he stands behind Fink and his decisions. He probably did that in response to the numerous people and news outlets that are essentially saying that Fink is controlling Fedor and screwing him over.

The UFC is pretty ugly when it comes to negotiations cause they know that the agents/managers are there to protect their fighter and most importantly do what’s best for them and what they want, and that’s obviously why the UFC always try to get them out of the way and make them look bad.. the business side of it is like football (soccer) if you are a big fan of that then u know how things like this goes down, only this is a wayy smaller business and a more americanized biz which is a negative thing..

what needs to be said though is that if the UFC offers Fedor the right money it’s a done deal! It’s no secret that the UFC has the most money in MMA, Fedor’s agent knows that and he won’t risk Fedor coming in losing and having to cut his payscale.. I support the fighter always not the company

exactly cl and jj, i think they are trying to keep fedor from signing the same slave contract a. silva, and others have signed. if you are successful and your contract comes up the Ufc should not own you.

Slave contract???? You sound like all the other left-wingers! Give me a break. I thought it was supposed to be a privilege to have a job, not a right. If the UFC closed it’s doors today where would these fighters go? Strikeforce doesn’t have the money to pay them. Just imagine the reprecussions of the UFC closing. If I had to guess I would say almost all the UFC fighters are satisfied and proud to be part of the UFC. If it wasn’t for the UFC we wouldn’t even be having this conversation on this site. UFC has made a bunch of fighters millionares and stars. Hell I wouldn’t mind being OWNED by the UFC.

Captain America….you actually sound like the “left winger”. Do you understand the concepts of free market and capitalism? That’s what these negotiations are all about. If you are indeed someone who would be content to be “owned” by your employer, you are in fact espousing the communist playbook. Give us a break and make some/any effort to understand political terminology before making uneducated statements.

CL-

Bravo.

I understand it quite well. Perhaps the sarcasm did not come across. I’m saying I can’t understand how anyone could consider the UFC fighter’s contracts to a “Slave Contract”. Especially the contract they offered to Fedor. He can do whatever he wants. Sorry if I was talking over your head. It seemed as though the sarcasm was apparent if you read the whole paragraph.

Nice try….but the first statement of your post kills your supposed attempt at sarcasm.

Thanks for he support man.

Are you a fan of The Natural or something?

“Good to meet you pop, Ryan Hobbs, your new right fielder”

One of the greatest sports movies of all time.

My bad, it’s Roy Hobbs…never mind.

I did see that movie and it was pretty awesome, but no. Ryan Hobbs is just my name haha. I used to post as “Ryan” but someone else started to as well so it just got confusing.

Vitor/Wandi would also be a rematch.
If they did that in Brazil it’d be crazy huge.

thats what i ment jsut forgot to write it = 0

Franklin needs to win a fight against a top LHW before he even thinks about Lyoto.

yea . . . . . . just naming some fight i wanna see dude, not saying who should fight who when and where, if you read my post like that then vitor would be fighting both wandi and tito at once . . . .

Gotcha. Vitor/Wand 2 would be sick.

The entire LHWT roster could be matched and rematched so many times its fantastic, “stacked” is an understatement, and Ando is moving into town, amazing. i think Ando becomes the king of the hill when all is said and done though, you?

If Machida wasn’t the champ I’d say yes. Those two won’t ever fight. I think Anderson will go back to MW for the rest of his career after Forrest. We might see him in one big fight at LHW after that but that’s it.

He only has three fights left on his deal after Forrest, and we know at least one of them will be a MW title defence and one might be GSP. I think he retires from MMA once his contract is up. He has visions of Roy Jones dancing in his ever-swelling head.

I completely disagree with every word except Lyotto being current champ. Shogun wins, Anderson/shogun, anderson champ. MANY MANY fights from this guy to come, he’ll fight til 2015, at least.

He has stated that he wants to retire in his prime, at 35. As for the rest, not quite sure what you’re disagreeing with. He has a MW defence coming up, he is probably going to fight GSP at some point, and he and Lyoto have both stated that they will never fight each other.

And you’re out of your mind if you think you’ll be watching a 40-year old Spider in the octagon. He is a guy who is well aware of the mistakes fighters often make by staying in the sport too long, and he has expressed that before. Sounds like wild speculation on your part bro.

“I completely disagree with every word except Lyotto being current champ.”

Huh?

So you completely disagree that Silva has three fights left on his contract after Forrest, that he has a MW title defence coming up, and that he may well fight GSP in the next year or so? And you also disagree that Lyoto and Silva won’t fight each other? Or that he wants to fight Roy Jones before Jones retires?

Okey-dokey.

wow, way to miss the point . . . You’re too cool for me, nevermind.

what was i saying about fedor last week?

I don’t even know why he wants to retire. I suppose he’s old enough, and if he doesn’t lose again it would cement his legacy as one of the greatest, but his obsession to box Roy Jones is far less interesting than most well-matched MMA fights he could have.

I like him, but as you said JJ, his head is swelling more and more. Despite what anyone thinks, when I first saw the Cote fight, I could easily see he was showboating and having fun with the idea that he was overwhelmingly better than Cote, but rather than prove it, he chose to play around and waste a few rounds. Yeah, of course he’s a counter-striker, but it was so frustrating. After watching Silva/Leites, despite the disappointment that he couldn’t finish Leites, the Cote fight was much more disappointing. The Leites fight was mostly Leites’s fault.

I didn’t miss any point.

You clearly stated "I completely disagree with every word except Lyotto being current champ."

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT JUST WRITE THAT!?

If you don’t disagree with “EVERY WORD” in my above post, then this wasn’t a very accurate way to begin your rebuttal. You apparently only disagree with a tiny portion of my post. I have addressed your ‘point’ in another post that is currently in moderation.

As for me being ‘too cool for you’, I have no idea where that came from, although it is the first thing you’ve been correct about all day. I was trying to have a mature discussion with you Adam, but perhaps that isn’t possible.

That’s true G…A.Silva,said that he already signed a contract to fight RJJ and he said that he want to retired and keep competing in gi and nogi tourney and be with his students.Now the only problem is… to know what will happen if he’s still the champ after his last fight on his contract(championship clause)?

Quitting when you’re on top sucks for us fans who want to see big fights . . . but from a fighter’s perspective it is intelligent thing to do. Your legacy remains untarnished and you go out on top.

It takes a lot of self-awareness to make that call when your ego thinks your body can run at an elite level indefinitely. Reflexes fade a hair, and the shots you were landing before are just missing – and the shots you were just evading before are knocking you out. You avoid brain damage and embarrassment and you go out a winner. It doesn’t happen often because these guys refuse to believe they don’t have it anymore.

You see it in all sports, but in combat sports being a step slower costs you much much more. Imagine if Ali or Joe Louis hadn’t stayed around too long and had retired on top like Rocky Marciano. Imagine if Jordan hadn’t come back to basketball and just been an average player instead of the best. Some kid growing up in the late 90’s or later would think Messier was a crap hockey player, because he stayed around until he was average at best. It’s sad. If you’re really good, I say go out on top. If you’re just OK, get as much money as you can.

whoa JJ why are u owning this whole shizznit :) good posts!
the answer to why Anderson wants to retire from MMA is simply because his motivation isn’t really there anymore, he’s achieved what he came to achieve and there’s really no challenges left in his mind.
He has also said before that he’s got enough money and a good life at home so why risk anything? and why train so hard all the time for something you don’t have to and u don’t want anymore..

He’s also retiring to fulfill a dream (boxing RJJ) while he still can, and that’s smart because that match would give him big money and it would be a perfect way to end it!

That’s true, RoB. You can see some of the fire is gone. Hopefully smashing Forrest into a state of unconsciousness revitalizes him for the sport a little. He’s been getting bored.

Great post JJ,I totally agree.You can say the same about Greztski and Lafleur.

Totally, I was gonna mention Gretz.

What’s happening with the Canucks these day?Did you guys acquired talents lately?I have no news of your trades

Oh man, no. Samuelsson from the Wings so far, that’s it. The Sedins got big raises and they’re trying to re-up Lou. :-(

As for the Habs, totally new team, huh? Some nice talent but IMO you guys need some SIZE up front bigtime. Your first line looks tiny.

My bet is you’ll be watching Bisping/Cote bro. They aren’t giving away big-name fights for free these days. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. :-) Belfort will most likely be hyped for a PPV in his big ‘return to the UFC’ fight.

Carmichael Dave is kind of tight with D. White, I can’t imagine D. White releasing incorrect figures or Carmichael Dave passing out false information… someone screwedup.

As long as they don’t feed Belfort to Hendo. Give Belfort a competitive match but not a monster for his 1st fight back.

Bisping-Cote would be the worst main event in the history of the UFC, neither guy will exchange, Bisping will fear Cote’s power and Patrick rarely takes a chance in high profile or must win fights, so this will be a snorefest that does nothing for either guy. Bisping was promised a high profile opponent for this Manchester card so to go from Anderson Silva to Patrick Cote would be pathetic.

Despite this card going on free TV I’m pretty sure that the UFC will at least put one or two name fighters on the card, wasn’t 75 on free TV in the US and that had Rampage-Hendo as a main event. I know that we won’t get anything near as big as that but it shows that a Spike TV card doesn’t necessarily mean that us British fans are going to be stuck with Bisping-Cote.

David-

I understand your disappointment, but keep in mind that if Bisping HAD somehow beaten Hendo and gotten a fight with Anderson @ 105, they would have made that a PPV for sure. They’ll do a title fight there sometime in ‘10 I’d say.

The 75 card was the best free card ever, but it only happened because some carrier deal fell through or something. I can’t remember, it was a while ago, but that was scheduled to be a PPV. Plus, you guys are hooked now. The first one’s free, there’s a taste – now I want your watch for the next hit. You know how it goes.

As for Cote not being aggreesive, he will be against Bisping. Cote’s chin is granite, and Bisping can’t hurt him. He will be running after Bisping like Hendo was, trying to land that big right. Also, this fight is pure speculation on my part, it just seems like a good fit. Cote is ready around then, Bisping needs an opponent, but not TOO high-profile an opponent on a free card … plus it gives Bisping a chance to win and get hyped up again. You know I wanted to see Wand, but alas…

That is true David,Coté will Bisping’d Bizzy again if this match-up came thru.I also believe that he(Coté) will be Bizzy next opponent.

Dave, I literally cant see any big names coming over here whatsoever for 105. Think it’s likely to be Bizzzzzbing vs Cote as the main event. What I can see is every single fight featuring a British Fighter, and the UFC marketing it as the “Battle of Britain” or something, and ramming down our throats how far British MMA has come.

Main Event:
Bizzzzbing vs Cote

Co.Main Event
Dan Hardy vs A.Can

Semtex Daley vs Marcus Davis
TUF Winner 1 vs A.Stiff
TUF Winner 2 vs A.Bum

Undercard

Paul Taylor vs Who Cares
Paul Kelly vs Couldn’t give a sh!t
Terry Etim vs Bored Already
Mustapha Al Can Turk vs A Corpse(possibly the lanky German)
John Hathaway vs Don’t Care
Neil Wain vs A lump of Dog Turd

Hey attakdog, very funny, and I imagine very accurate! Bisping has no place being the headliner.
The only reason I could excuse him headlining ‘when’ he was rumoured to be fighting Wand was purely because of Wand – Wand alone would of been headlining in my eyes and it would of hopefully been another Hendo type treat for us UK fans who dont think the UFC starts and ends with Bisping! Nothing against Bisping personally, just not a fan, I don’t not like him at all, just indifferent and tired of having him rammed down our throats for being a fan in UK.

Oh well, if ufc do palm us off with this type of card again (more than likely as it’s already stated as free spike card, and is one week away from a Vegas ppv, and there is a run of big match ups over next few events, and nothing big ready for 105, they will have to scramble some non headline worthy meaningless fight and shove it down our throats, charge us lots of money for a decent ticket and then tell us we are talking rubbish when we say it is not worth the entry price for a much lesser quality fightcard…) I will vote by not buying a ticket, and maybe they will have trouble filling such a big arena becuase other long time ufc fans from UK i’ve spoken to express the same feelings, we are paying the big show ticket price without the big show fightcard

When you gonna man up and Post for a month straight since you lost that bet back in January of this year ???

How many guys manned up when i won my bets when he beat Pulver, Joe, and Sherk . . . and how many will man up after he slaughters Florini?

I owned up to my bet (on GSp) with my nemisis “Gord” cause he kept his word on the sherk fight, besides that its dust in the wind.

Someone actually bet on Pulver and Joe Stevenson against BJ? Wow. There are homes for people like that.

All this talk about how the legend of Fedor is destroyed and how no once cares would go straight out the window if he actually signed. We have two major sources commenting this week. A source with the LA Times saying they were finishing the deal, and the one saying Fedor’s turning all this down. So OBVIOUSLY we don’t know the truth. Why not wait until we hear something definite before slaughtering the guy. This “huge soap opera” that seems to be destroying everyone on here’s lives has only lasted like a week. It’s not like Fedor has been overly dramatic or anything. Take a xanax and just wait to hear the facts. Geez…they have been negotiating a contract, something that happens every day in many walks of life. Good gosh.

Agreed. Fedor could fight:
Overeem
Barnett (in Japan)
Rogers
Monson
Werdum
Antonio Silva (In Japan)

In order, these are the ones I would like to see. Any other ideas?

Jay that’s ridiculous. Affliction had a terrible business model and we all know that. Strikeforce knows what they’re doing and would damn well know how much they could afford to pay Fedor. Fedor would NOT run them into the ground.

Nobody on that list really excites me, and nobody outside the hallowed UFC will shut up the morons. I guess you could throw Lashley on that list in a year too, although that’s another guy who doesn’t impress me at all so far.

Sorry for the repeat. When I first posted this, it didn’t show up so I reposted.**

Truth, Jeremy.

If it stands to reason that Fedor isn’t that good because he fought guys that “suck now”, then Rampage isn’t that good because he beat Chuck twice…because Chuck sucks now…don’t make much sense does it?

It was for real DJ. Then Mania did the April fools thing about how they were building it.

No it wasn’t real, it was a claim that the UFC made(seeing similar tactics here already and everyone is falling for it…again) and then Mania did an April fools joke about it.