Another witty blogger going straight for the insults… BJ destroyed Joe everywhere in that fight. Joe made a stu*id mistake and Kenny capitalized. I am much more impressed with BJ.

why would anyone complain about BJ training your opponent?…its not like J-Lau or whatever his name is was jumping out of pools or carrying rocks underwater…BJ just showed him the basics like where exactly the gym is, where the lunch room is, and where they take their naps….haha…sorry BNF, comedy comes first and foremost ;)

LOL Mac. Anyway guys, what we’re watching here is Kenny trying to hype a fight. The guy isn’t exactly a trash-talker but he’s looking for reasons he can sell to the public why these guys don’t like each other. There really isn’t a lot of existing animosity there, so Kenny’s looking to create some.

Mac, the comic relief is always appreciated… “where they take their naps” LOL… You know he does sleep in one of those high altitude bags.

“Anybody who is picking Kenny is an obvious BJ hater” so were not allowed to be fans of kenny florian? ok…

Kenny finished joe faster, and bj finished sherk (i wouldnt say faster since Florian was never in that fight huh) SO WHAT!!!! And who finished Din faster??? your stats mean nothing, except to show your rediculous outlook on this sport. BJ BJ BJ!!!

brendan, you know as well as anybody that the hatered BJ brings out in people clouds their judgement. Where is Kenny better?

Yeah, that is a dumb statement. People can pick Kenny and not be a BJ hater..

With that said, Kenny is going down. BJ isn’t allowed to train Joe? lol. This isn’t like dating. BJ didn’t cheat on him.

BJ is focused and hungry.

And he isn’t fighting a super athlete from canada with takedowns that come from the heavens.

BJ by domination.

Seriously though, how good is GSP. GSP could probably beat anderson. I wouldn’t have said that until I saw him demolish the 3 best guys who could fight at 170. He has hardly lost seconds of any of those fights. wow. respect. Sorry for picking BJ to beat GSP.

AdamG’s right…MMA math doesn’t work. Kenny’s isn’t better anywhere imo…in fact, Kenny’s nerves might play a role in this fight…he’s been in big fights but not as big as the fights BJ has been in…throw in Silva/Forest and the first fights in Philly and that place will be going nuts…not sure if Kenny will be ready to comprehend the fact that its EXTREMELY hard to hurt BJ…hellbows or not I just don’t see how Kenny can win

its alright Bennie…no need for apoligies… :lol:

I guess the one question I have to ask guys who use BJ’s performance against GSP as a reason he will lose to Kenny is: how would Kenny have fared against GSP?

I’m thinking worse. I’m thinking he’s done WELL before the fourth round.

I’m on fire today. I got called dumb and ignorant in the same thread. :)

Kenny fans should be realistic. They know BJ is going to win and so does Kenny.

for sure…I don’t like to use past fights to set bars for future fights…ya know how sometimes Bugs Bunny used to tied knots into the end of Elmer Fudd’s gun?? Thats how Kenny would have looked after about 90seconds into any fight he were to have with GSP

Benny that is purely ridiculous though… I respect everyone’s opinion as long as the opinion isn’t that GSP could beat Anderson. Thats preposterous. I will go to blows defending my stance on this to anyone. Really? I mean come on… Anderson is bigger and faster… GSP will take him down.. and then Anderson will triangle him and elbow him into submission. The only thing worse than standing with Anderson Silva is taking him to the ground. Even if you manage to hold him down for the round A) you won’t inflict any damage on him and B) he will come out the next round angry and the only thing worse than an angry Anderson is maybe an angry 6,000 lb bear with razor claws, standing 70 feet tall that breathes fire and has a penchant for raping people… or maybe an angry nuclear bomb… GSP even knows it.. All the fans want it and he’s been dodging it nonstop.

Word to that Spooner… Good post.

I am being realistic BNF! You saying “there is no way Kenny can win the fight” is not being realistic in my opinion.

Is BJ more talented? No question. And I realize MMA Math is non-conclusive, but I am positive that Kenny will have a very smart game plan going into this fight – as opposed to BJ who thinks he will just cruise by on natural ability (which he very may well).

And ((Adam G)) your insults mean nothing to me when it comes to this subject, everyone knows your the biggest BJ nuthugger out there!! Haha, but my arguement wasnt MMA Math based (although it probably came off like that) it was just saying I do not agree with someone saying “there is no way Kenny wins the fight”.

What is going to win the fight for Kenny are intangibles- he won’t quit when the going gets tough and he won’t gas out in the championship rounds ala BJ Penn. But don’t worry, if BJ loses he can say his Mom made him rest so he wouldn’t get overtrained.

WB, realistically I don’t see any part of Kenny’s game that is better than BJ. Kenny is very good, but not on BJ’s level. No one can tell me where Kenny will win. Wes best answer is the intagables. That is a convenient answer. When you give that answer you are admitting that Kenny has no physcial tools that are better than BJ’s. Then he shows his true colors as a BJ hater. Which takes us back to my original statement in which I meant to say that all the BJ haters will pick Kenny to win regardless of the facts or logic.

Not true at all. BJ is an unbeleivable athlete, I’ll not deny it. But talent can only take you so far. That’s my point. He lacks these intrinsic qualities that limit him to being just a world class fighter rather than an all-time great. His record really isn’t that great and he lost to Hughes and GSP by being poorly conditioned and a quitter or a little of both. And by the way I used to be a BJ fan until I he talked some much crap before the GSP fight then blamed evryone and their brother for his loss instead of admitting that he just lost.

Elbows BNF!! Kenny has better elbows!!

Haha, but seriously. I am extremely confident in the fact that Kenny knows that he does not have as much natural ability as BJ and knows he has to fight a perfectly executed game plan to win this fight.

So to name 3 things Kenny has an advantage in: cardio, patience, and mental strength/game planning. I dont see Kenny veering from a game plan that he has created and he will be patient enough to not get flusterd if BJ catches him with an early flurry. Like I said before though, BJ might not need a game plan to win.

I wish Kenny would win. I doubt it will happen though, I know BJ has the advantage in all aspects of this fight. Man, I hate BJ Penn.

Actually, BNF, I think what Wes was saying is that BJ dosen’t have the mental toughness that Kenny does. He talks a lot of s#*t that he can’t always back up; your typical bully mentality. And when someone stands up to him and fights bac or a fight starts getting tough he tends to quit fighting. Plus his conditioning isn’t exactly top notch. Never has been. You cannot dispute these statements. It’s a fact.

Oh yes, the Hellbows. LOL. Good post WB, but like the old saying goes, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

Thanks Wes but let me handle this- BNF, BJ lacks things such as desire otherwise he would train harder so he dosen’t gas out all the time and he would keep fighting and not quit in the corner because the fight wasn’t going how he claimed it was going to go- he’s a quitter. Dosen’t matter how talented you are on paper. Intangibles are the intrinsic qualities that BJ lacks- the difference between being really good and really great. Talent willonly take you so far. Sometimes a fighter with limited talent like Kenny can beat a guy like BJ with loads of talent but lacks heart and mental toughness. He can’t push himself when things start gettinn rough.

I believe the intangibles work in BJ’s favor. Such as coming off a bad loss and looking for redemption, confidence that he is the best 155er on the planet and Kenny’s lack of confidence knowing he is in over his head agaisn’t the best.

Time will tell.

I cant possibly see how Kenny can win this fight. where would he beat BJ at? He wont KO BJ. He wont make him quit with GSP’like GNP, and NO ONE is submitting BJ.
I dont like kenny florian when he opens his mouth, but I love seeing him fight because he is top shelf, but I cant see how he could possibly beat BJ Penn!

BJ is too proud, and after being chumped in his last fight….POOR KENNY IS GETTING TKO’ed, EARLY!

Funny,I can say the same about BJ’s!

amazing john g you dont think kenny has advantages? his muay thai has improved increredibly, his footwork is great, i believe he has a big reach advantage, he has much better kicking game than bj. i think his overall standup is much better than bj, who just has boxing, and doesnt even use kicks. i see kenny picking him apart standing, bj getting frustrated, and kennys training with gsp will help with his wrestling tremendiously where he can keep bj guessing with takedowns, and make bj even more hesitant with his standup. People will be suprised that bj wont win more than a single round. kenny by pure domination, wont even be a close fight, and bj retires afterwards.

You dont have to try to sell me on what Kenny is good at..I think the world of him as a fighter, but I just so happen to think that there isnt a light heavyweight fighter alive that can beat BJ Penn standing. His boxing and the way he slithers in and out of range is second to NONE! What seperates BJ from other LIGHTWEIGHTS is overall toughness. I think hands down he is the toughest lightweight out there. As good as Kenny’s stand up is, stand up is all about damage, which is a ratio between damage inflicted, and damage absorbed. BJ INFLICTS the more damage, and he absorbs the less damage…so CLEAR ADVANTAGE BJ!

The fact that you says bJ retires in your last line, is a clear indication that you arent rational when it comes to BJ so I am really kid of pissed that I am wasting this time writing to you, but I already started so I will try to talk some sense into a clearly misguided bj hater.

The fact that you seem to think that Kenny training with BJ is going to suddenly make Kenny able to out wrestle Penn is the silliest thing alive. GSP is a skillfull, and muscular Machine…as good as Kenny is, lets call a spade a SPADE, KENNY is a technically above average, tough nerd…BJ is a born fighter with skills to back him up, amazing toughness, and unmatched talent!

Only way this fight goes to the ground is when bj decides to take kenny down, and pound him out till the choke is sunk in!

I agree with some of Dtoto’s and John G’s comments. Kenny is much better than guys are giving him credit for. Kenny is now a lot stronger than he looks, his skills and cardio have progress to an elite level, and he is one best mentally prepared fighters I have ever seen. BJ is still the best 155lbr in the world, but I’m not sure if his mindset is healthy after that fight with GSP. I don’t hear of BJ training with a camp that has training partners that challenge him. Florian is going to give BJ all the trouble he can handle with a Forrest Griffin workman like style.

AND if u F*Ckers don’t get it, then there’s nothing we can say to convince U of the magnitude of this fight between 2 Elite fighters!

bj is so overrated, kenny has better standup, better wrestling and better cardio, no way bj will be able to take him down.

Kenny has better illegal strikes.
That’s about it.

BJ is overrated? lol.

BJ has lost to GSP and Machida. Big deal. Oh yeah and Matt Hughes who also beat GSP during that time. GSP is pretty good.

All legitimate loses to guys who were #1 or are #1 in their respective weight classes today.

He also lost to Pulver but I see what you are saying. BJ is a great fighter and if he comes into this fight in good shape then it should be a great fight.

it kinda bugged me too but remember that Kenny was already the top contender before Huerta and fought him to “stay sharp”…he beat him, THEN fought Joe just to “stay sharp”. He’s waited a long time for BJ and I give him props for not being satisfied in limbo

ummm how did he dodge huerta? he fought him didnt he? unless ive just been on drugs or something…

but he’s probably dead

bren I think he meant Kenny didn’t engage Huerta and stayed on the outside for most of the fight…which was pretty smart actually

Smart, but boring and contradictory to Kenny “I finish fights” Florian’s supposed “style”.

my thoughts exactly…he was pretty much guarenteed a title shot though and seemed to be fighting that fight in particular not to lose…he finished Joe though and didn’t even need to fight him to keep his title shot so I’ll give him props for that

Thank you BNF. thats what I meant. I don’t mean that being “elusive” isn’t a great way to fight. You eliminate any damage from your opponent while inflicting as much damage as possible while pointing your way to a decision… its just completely contradictory to all the shit he talked before hand… also its a really gay way to fight and I am glad Machida changed it up a little.

Kenny’s won 9 or 10 fights in UFC, and Huerta was the only one he didn’t finish, so it’s really not fair to hold one decision against a really tough opponent against him.

Its fair when he talks smack about finishing fights and then runs from huerta the whole fight… Like I said I respect opinions but that was a bitch move.

Din finished himself, not Kenny. And it really isn’t fair, but it is fun to bring up. :) Kenny “when Joe Silva calls you better hope he doesn’t say you are fighting Kenny Florian” Florian is just easy pickings sometimes.

nice hair though…dudes got his shit together up top :cool:

HAHA

I agree, just because you train somewhere for a couple months does not mean no one else in your weight class can ever train there. It’s part of the fight life, move on.

Who would want BJ to train them anyway? His gym isn’t turning out champions if you know what I mean.

You were doign good up til you quoted george lopez

Instead of Snoflake, Floflake!!! BJ BJ BJ!!!

BJ BJ BJ!! Just this one time as I’d be super-hyped for BJ/Diego and the drama that leads up to it!!!

Adam… I am so glad you are here to defend all things BJ with me… You wanna get on the Lashley war wagon with me?
Lashley Lashley Lashley!!!

Lashley wagon eh??

Hell yeah… Lashley is gonna come to the UFC and get beat by one middle of the roader and then two fights later fight for the title and win… and then it will be revealed that Lashley and Sable got it on and Sable has a black baby. Vince McMahon would be so proud.

unlike some fellow Maniacs and MMA fans in general, I actually like all the drama that surrounds some of the fighters

Does Lashley have a wagon? I know Lesnar does, because I’m driving it. But Lashley? I don’t know. When you let Jason Guida take you to a decision you really shouldn’t have a wagon. Maybe a Bigwheel or a BMX with back bunny pegs.

nobody said it was motorized

I know where you live PW… you don’t want the Lashley War wagon at your front door… OK I will admit it is not exactly a wagon. Its just a two door toyota with a broken front bumper and mismatched headlights. Its picking up steam though. And you don’t wanna get hit by it because it has purple heart plates on the front and I’m driving without a license

I can’t go if you don’t have a licence

what about a temporary permit until Lashley wins against a real competitor and then my dad won’t have to go with us anymore and we can smoke pot and pick up high school chicks?

I guess Lesnar doesn’t have a wagon anymore either. It’s more of a 4-wheeler with a couple shotguns, a couple crossbows and a cooler full of Coors Light . . . that’s Coors Light, on the back of it.

don’t forget a naked Sable strapped to the front so he can get on top of her.

My other comment is stuck in moderation but just don’t tell your mom i don’t have my license yet Mac. My mom will lie to her about it. She’s cool. She smokes pot

haha…secret’s safe with me man…hopefully PW won’t tell on ya

Yeah he seems like a tattle tale.. Just kidding peewee!!

Watch yourself. I’m Undercover Brother.

well I’ve been The Man for years. So we’re good

Huh, I thought he beat him down after his knee popped, then choked him out.

Kenny did do that bro, but the question is about BJ . . . Remember his Knee to Din’s chops?

And according to Sherdog I was right Bitches!!!! I am the knower of all things Ken-Flo!

Oh we’re talking BJ here. I thought we were still bashing Ken-Flo. My reading comp is worse than usual for a MOnday. Please excuse the comment that’s going to come up in a minute after being moderated.

The question isnt about kenny bro LMAO!!! Come on are you kidding me Pwww’s or what, im seriously cracking up dude!!!!

I got it straight now. Dude, I’ve totally been drinking at work or something.

so ive checked into his backround once or twice = )

don’t forget that BJ’s reset button as it were..is slow..like ol’ georges pointed out..so if you fake him..he reacts quickly to that ..then boom..give him something sneaky…worked like a charm on him..well, seemed to!