Is Brock Lesnar turning the UFC into a joke?

yeaah i loved it too! seriously if you have some kind of fighting mentality or anything you wouldn’t think nothing of it..

ROB- U saying Dana White and all the UFC fighters that found Brocks postfight antics distasteful have no fighting mentality??? WTF?

Lesnar’s display after that fight was a disgrace! I was disgusted. Guy has no concept of sportsmanship, nevermind any concept of respect. He’s an ass, and I can’t wait till we all find out he IS using steroids. UNBELIEVABLE.

An interesting spin, Kobajack. I don’t completely concur, but well argued nevertheless.

tips cap and sparks wake n’ baker with glazed look in eye

Although, with that being said, I’m not siding with Brock in this debate I’m just commenting on my fear that the sport may entwine with bureaucratic principles and therefore lose one of the best things about it.

Thanks JJ. It may seem that I’m defending Brock but I’m definitely not. He showed that he’s both a sore loser and an ungracious winner. I’m defending the right to be yourself more precisely.

im on board with that kobajack.

I like fighers being REAL.

I like having a mix of personalities. I like respectful and classy fighters like GSP and Machida, but every once in a while, I like a bad ass mixed in like the Diaz brothers and Brock. As long as the fighter is being real, im OK with it.

Bashing a sponsor is bad, but that doesnt concern me, and it made me laugh so fuck it.

as for giving the crowd the finger. I dont really understand whats wrong with giving 20,000 people the middle fingers who have been boo’ing you throughout the night simply because yOU ARE TOO BIG, or because you accepted millions of dollars to do WWE. I would have given the crowd the finger as well!

As for Mir, do you honestly believe that Mir wouldnt have rubbed in Brocks face had he won? Of course that pompous ass would have…it just so happened that he was on the wrong end of an ass whooping and had the arogance temporarily beat out of him!

Kobajack- That was one of the most intelligent posts I have read about this topic. I still feel that Brock’s behavior is bad for the sport, but I see what you’re saying and I appreciate the prospective. And on that note I don’t have anything else to say about it. I think we’ve all discussed it ad nauseam. There has to be at least 800 posts about this since Saturday. There’s nothing new under the sun.

have you ever thougth that one man has to take the sh*t without if affecting the sport?

I like people being REAL as well… and BRock is a REAL IMMATURE A-HOLE with a huge chip on his shoulder, no pretending about it. I don’t hate Brock but I certainly see why other’s do hate him. I’ll listen to his interviews and watch him fight, once he gets that chip off his shoulder he’ll be a much happier guy.

John I agree about the bitchin’ it is ridiculous. We need new news to get over this Lesnar crap. I can’t even stand to be near this site after PPV’s.

John,

I completely disagree with your take on the Brock thing, but if it’s any consolation, my venomous rage has diminished to a smolder and I don’t think I’m going to talk about this anymore beyond this thread. We can go back to you making wrong picks and me telling you why (joking)

So instead of boycotting the site, you come back and bitch about the bitching? You’re doing the opposite of what you say you will, then you do the exact thing you’re complaining about. Nice.

im glad your rage is subdued ovaries, you are a scary man when youre angry, anytime you fancy killing 100 more terrorists youre welcome to pop over to northern ireland – i’ll make you a cup of tea when youre finished.

I was the guy painting the targets that needed to be bombed so I don’t want to pretend I’m too much of a badass. I would be happy to relay coordinates and other intel so that the real heroes could take them out. Does that still get me a cup of tea? lol

That’ll get you a grilled cheese AND tea in my house. :)

agreed

I was actually quite shocked at Brock’s selfish “Me first” rant, but I did laugh at his “Bud Light won’t pay me nuthin’.”

Brock made everything totally about himself. Even the President is not indespensible. The UFC will go on with or without him. Right now, I don’t think he realizes that. Soon enough, he will.

Actually, what is there to be disgusted about Brock’s comments, he tried to be funny and was upset at people disrespecting him everyone acts differently. His bud light comment was just a joke along with the comments on his wife, the guys on the video and some people here do take it out of proportion.

It’s interesting that they didn’t let the host and Woody finish the Muhammad Ali comment. In the documentary about Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali comes out looking worst than Brock can ever be, first he begged Joe for money when he was on the street and in the days before the fight he questioned Joe’s race, saying that he wasn’t a real black man calling him an uncle tom, and to make matters worst Muhammad even says that he attended KKK meetings. For being the sportsman of last century he never really came out as having a lot of sportsmanship in the ring or out of it.

Just a joke? Do you have any idea how long it took the UFC to get blue chip sponsorship? And to almost have that go up in smoke because someone said you’re inexperienced and didn’t deserve a title shot when you got it (all true btw)…losing major sponsorship is no joke especially when took 16 yrs to get. Athletes have had to endure much more for the love of their sport. So what he doesn’t get that much respect 5 fights into his career? His wife signed up to suck his dick and make him feel good not me.

Hahahaha!!!

Wow. DSmith has spoken, bitches!!!

the Queen has spoken….

How is Bud Light affected by his comment? Brock said bud doesn’t pay him nothing, and this is a fact, Brock is not sponsored by Bud Light so why does he have to care. Bud Light has to worry if Dana or another executive does something damaging that has a direct effect, like making their sign smaller, or not as visible. Bud is getting the best out of this, they pay money not because they praise MMA as a sport, they pay because the UFC has a lock on a demographic they care about. Really, are you gonna stop drinking bud if brock tells you so, come on. Brock is creating publicity with his comments, people watched Saturday because of Brock, if they are good business people and they are, then they are more than happy with their deal with the UFC and wont be bailing out anytime soon.

The point here is that the media are latching on to something that may discredit the sport by calling on Brock’s actions, but like I said before Muhammad Ali was worst in his time and he is considered the greatest, but did you notice how fast they discredited Tyson. MMA purists will find everything negative with Brock just because of his pro wrestling background, but what about Shamrock and Severn.

LMAO….A guy named Punch You In The Ovaries has the nerve to call someone else juvenile ?? What is this world coming to and how self rightous do we all get from behind our screens…..

Why should Lesnar respect Mir. Clearly Mir has ZERO respect for Lesnar. You gotta give respect to get respect.

He doesn’t have to respect him! He only needed to have the decency to layoff of an already beaten opponent. And it would have been a good idea to respect his wife, the fans that line his pockets, and the UFC’s largest sponsor.

Punch I’m with you on this. You had a great post the other day on this topic, I forget what tread it was, but great read bro.

And Big Pelly,

“Punch You in the Ovaries” is a silly line from Anchorman. If you can’t see the difference between sophomoric humor and flipping off real fans and insulting the sponsor or your sport, and being a bully after you’ve already beaten a guy into a caricature of himself, then I don’t know what to say to you. I enjoy a joke as much as the next guy. I don’t however enjoy retarded WWE-esque antics.

Make a good argument or don’t bother posting.

BOW,

Thanks. I thought from the outset, it would be me against everyone because the masses are dumb. That’s why the movies that make the most money are the most void of artistic quality. Anyway, shame on me because there were a ton of you guys who felt the way I did. And we have some smart, honorable people who post on this site.

I think this will be the last thread where I defend this position. It’s been therapeutic, but I might actually be nearing a point where it’s purged and I can return to arguing with people about upcoming fights.

Big Pelly has a point there, Pot calling the kettle black on that one.

Ovary Man didn’t say he’s a puritan and has no sense of humor, he’s just pointing out his disapproval of Brock’s antics. There’s a difference between your username referring to something funny and running around a cage abusing and dissing people. I’ve noticed, most people who use the pot-kettle-black analogy are usually wrong.

Read a couple posts up Jas to see why it’s more like a pot calling a kettle a tea-preparation device. you can enjoy sill movies and still not agree with moronic post-fight hiss fits that soil your sports image.

True that. I also thought that more would be disgusted by his antics as well. Also remember that when school is out there is a much younger crowd on here. Unfortntly, but I believe most of these kids were raised on this wwe crap.

kobajack,

Thanks for that. There’s seems to be an obsession with some people trying to find contradictions where there are none instead of making a case.

Heres a contradiction for you, neither my pot nor my kettle is black. They are in fact a designer range of stainless steel.

Yeah, if your pot or kettle called any other cookware black, it would be seen a racist.

equal rights for all household appliances!!!!!

Everyone join me in a chorus of We Shall Overcook!

’We shall overcoooook….hmmmmmm hmmmmmm**lighters in the air**

its like a family birthday at my parents house when my mom is the only one singing happy birthday while the rest of us pretend to

BOW…what young people are you talking to? I’m 19 and while I admittedly sometimes watched WWE as a younger kid (far before Lesnar’s time, I completely denounce Brock’s post fight antics and everyone else I know does as well. So I completely disagree with it being simply a “young vs older” issue.

It wasn’t even adult smack talk. It was moronic. And yeah jay, insulting a beaten opponent, the fans, mma in general, his wife, and the ufc’s largest sponsor is nothing compared to the complaining of guys like me.

Whichever side your on, please make sense.

agreed Punch…PW and I said that yesterday too…it wasn’t funny it was a recycled one liner that he used every chance he could…he’s extemely dim-witted and it shows…Shad/Page after the Jardine fight…now that was smack talk I can get into

I wasn’t just talking about this fight, I was talking about the complaining on this site and other MMA sites. It seems after every event there is a week or two of complaining about this or that. I wanted to come on here Sunday and read opinions about the fights and see 500 posts about a post-fight celebration. The sport is turning into a giant soap opera, and it gets annoying. I would have thought someone like you PUNCH would think the same. We the fans are the ones making UFC into the WWE.

We are not making this into the WWE. Niether is Brock. His antics were out of line yes, but the reason everyone is up in arms is because they love this sport and don’t want to see it get slandered in the media. We want to see fights out in New York and we don’t want politicians to have any leverage against MMA. As far as your comments about us fans making this into the WWE, how so? We are some of the most passionate fans of MMA on here, most of the mainstream doesn’t see or know what we are saying on these sites. Our debates don’t reach the mainstream and people don’t judge MMA based on our comments. Most of the time we are talking about the fights and how they went down and who we think the fighters should fight next. But in cases where the fighters act up, or start complaing about their losses then we have a little bit to say about it. Because we ARE MMA. Without the continual support of the fans we would not be able to have MMA where it is now. We have every right to debate whether a fighter has hurt our brand of MMA. We have every right when a fighter flips off his audience to be appalled.

Outstanding post Cogito.

jay,
Let me concede this: This is going on too long. I think it’s largely due to so many stupid comments. When you have two intelligent individuals arguing a point, you can usually get to the heart of your disagreement pretty fast. Then you either make some concessions or agree to disagree. But on the web, people completely miss your point no matter how clearly you state it. Or they just make flat out dumb comments that are hard to resist dismantling. Anyway, let’s make this the last one and get back on track with some future fight discussions.

Punch,

I’ve been following this fiasco on the site the entire time. I haven’t posted a thing on the topic because you have already made every single point that I had intended to. I don’t always agree with you but out of the several posts you’ve made in various threads on the subject I have agreed with every single sentence. Weird. Anyway, I respect your stance and I officially co-sign your point of view on this one.

agreed.

Thank you Machine and Jay,

Maybe it’s dumb of me to defend this tooth and nail on a blog, but I just need to know that there’s guys like you out there before I turn into a cramudgen with no faith in this new generation. Because then I’d have to sit out on the front porch and yell at kids to keep off my lawn and it’s hot in New Mexico this time of year.

so why is it ok to talk crap before a fight but its way out of line to do it after the fight ? i aint no brock nut hugger i wanted mir to win but mir did say a lot before the fight i also think what tito used to do with his t-shirts was funny but thats just my opinion lol

has Chad Johnson aka Ocho Sino ruined the NFL? nope. has donald brashear or todd bertuzzi ruined the NHL? nope. did john mcinrow ruin tennis? Nope. ITS ALL GOOD. this is FIGHTING. people get emotional. get over it. WAR GSP!!!

good point newf…people get excited cause they just want him to lose sooo bad

Those sports aren’t trying to make it into the mainstream and gain accepance though newfie. I’d look more a the UFC trying to get sanctioned etc and the old boxing nut huggers that control it. Personally it doesn’t bother me but its hard to see how what he done could bring in new fans. I also think the naure of his and Hendo’s knockouts weren’t ideal for the UFC from a marketing capacity although I love seeing knockouts like Hendo’s (first punch that is)

lets take a glance back for a second here. a couple instances that are comparable, but not nearly blown out of of proportion:
-bj penn chokes out jens pulver for considerable amount of time when the ref was trying to haul him off. Way worse than what brock did.
-nate diaz, while choking out the dentist gives everyone the finger, making a complete show

im at work and have no time to write all that is coming to my head. see the point?? the real story here is how much we are blowing this up!! brock didnt do anything THAT bad. brock has gotten more exposure in that past 48 hours than any athlete ever!! as i said before, WHY CANT WE FOCUS ON THE REAL STORY HERE – - GSP IS THE BEST p4p FIGHTER IN THE WORLD!!

MMA has already made it…. Boxing meh… my dad brought me up watching barry mcguigan, wayne mccullough, bruno, lewis, naseem, benn, eubank and all those sandwiches. Now he never even watches boxing on free tv. He loves the UFC ppv though cuz its a monthly thing where you take 3 hours to drink beer, scream and shout, talk shit, make stupid jokes and watch amazing fights and be men, it fits really well with the rugby crowd too. The athletic commissions will sanction as and when they can profit most politically and financially from it. Fuck them, thy are scum out for themselves.

ANTI MMA PEOPLE DONT NEED AMMO, THEY NEED FUCKING FLACK JACKETS, THEY NEED TO TAKE COVER, THEY NEED TO RUN FOR THE HILLS!

boyer,

You actually raise a good question that I’m going to answer to the best of my ability.

Before the fight, it’s hype. No one is hurt. No one has been defeated. There’s the psychological component of getting your opponent to doubt himself.

After the fight, there’s nothing left to talk about. You demonstrated the reality of where you stand. After the fight, assuming you win, your opponent is hurt physically and mentally. It’s unnecessary to talk anymore at that point.

If you happen to have legitimate issues with the guy you’re fighting, as a reasonable man, you want to prove him wrong. After you’ve beaten him, you don’t need to prove that anymore. Being a competitor in MMA, you know what it feels like to lose so you give the guy some space. You may even go over and try to lift his spirits a little. Because after all, you wanted to prove that you were the better fighter, not take his soul out. To go beyond that is classless.

I don’t guess “class” can be taught in a few paragraphs. All I can say is it feels good to have it and Brock does not have any.

Look, I’m a hothead. I was in a couple fights outside of my MMA fights. No matter how much I hated a guy, once he stopped fighting back, I stopped. And I had no desire to push it any further. That was enough. It’s like those bastards who sit there hitting a defenseless guy in a bar after he’s obviously done. I don’t stand for that. I’m the guy that pulls him off. It will probably equate to the death of me at some point, but here doesn’t seem to be too many people that think like me anymore.

i see were your coming from but brock didnt hit him again or anything after he had won did he ? he just said talk crap about me now ? or did i miss something ? to me it just seems like it has been blown way out of proportion the guy just headlined ufc 100 im sure that was just the adrenaline talking and please dont think im a brock nut hugger because i am not lol i hope fedor does come to the ufc and knock him out lol

I don’t think Brock should go to jail or anything, it was just really classless behavior and I took as a smack in the face of the sport I love. At least we can both agree that we would love to see Fedor take Brock out. However, I’m not sure he can. But God I hope so.

i know if im honest im not sure he could either but i realy hope he does. what happens if brock does beat fedor though ? what would be next then he cant exactly go up a weight lol unless they make a super heavy weight devision ?

I have yet to hear a single one of the talking heads on ESPN speak intelligently about the UFC or MMA. You’d think people being paid very well to cover sports would make some effort to educate themselves a little on a topic they are paid to cover. Lesnar will bring attention and awareness about the UFC to a larger audience, which is mostly good. Yes, some of his antics crossed “the line”, but I think it’s a mistake to simplify the Lesnar debate as thumbs up or down. It’s cuts both ways, but there is no question Saturday night will raise the UFC to a new level of exposure.

Randy didn’t spend the weeks and months leading up to their fight ripping on him. Mir and Herring did. That’s why Brock got in their faces.

I’m done arguing about it. All you need to do is read what John posted near the top of the page.

I’m done too…lets discuss Greasegate or Bisping/hamill again j/k ;)

These guys keep trying to compare MMA to baseball, basketball, etc. The fact is that fighters in MMA or boxing are always under the microscope moreso than a football player. The sport takes place with two competitors (not teams). There is a tremendous amount of pressure on fighters to perform on fight night. Especially in the UFC. And moreso at UFC 100.

I honestly don’t think that we’ll see him act like that again. I think he has more respect for the sport than he showed, he just went “crazy” for a second. People still love Rampage after he lost it a bit and nearly ran people over in a monster truck.

Lashley = no chance. I just don’t think he has the athletic ability, the wrestling ability, the striking or the experience that Lesnar does.

Overeem = no chance. Lesnar is not a big, slow, lumbering oaf. He is remarkably fast and will have Overeem on his back very quickly.

Carwin = decent chance. Both guys hit so hard that one little mistake can turn the fight one way or the other. it’s just a matter of who makes that mistake first.

Fedor = really, really, really good chance. I don’t think I need to justify that statement.

That would be a good start for lashley, a camp like x couture and his skills could jump in leaps and bounds! But only time will tell how good he really is…

within a year Lasley could be there too…its not like Brock’s been training for 10 years…if lashley joined ATT, Couture, or Quest he could be there…Jackson too but Carwin’s already there

I just don’t see the ufc getting Fedor, but God i wish it would happen, he would destroy brock……

I thought Lashley was at ATT?

hmmm…maybe he is…I don’t know

I don’t think Brock took it as hype as you put it he took it as a insult. Were is the martial arts honor in using insults against your opponent to gain hype for a fight?

If you want the hype to sell tickets before the fight then you have to accept the same thing after the fight to sell the next one.

I see both of your points, but maybe brock should not have reacted first, he should have seen what mir was gonna say. He did not even give mir a chance to burry the hatchet, granted if mir would have talked shit right after the fight then brocks “antics” would have been justified, but since he immediately attacked mir (verbally) seconds after he pummeled into to oblivion it makes him look like a dis-respectful prick….imo

No Mir the cocky SOB deserved and should of heard every word Brock had to say to him it is plain and simple MMA justice. If your going to be a douche bag get ready to be treated like one.

 Brock is plain a simple the enemy of any HW fighter in the world and more than likely his opponent is going down it’s just time you dealt with it ladies the greatest HW ever is taking over.

*not=now, ooops

JS, for what it is worth now, I thought your post was well written and was a good read all around. Your opinion differs from mine, but I thought I would just say good post. Try to remember who Brock is before condeming his actions. If this were GSP, Machida, Wandy or Randy I would be like WTF??? But did you guys seriously expect a gracious winner out of Brock? C’mon he’s exactly like he was Saturday night. This is Brock and he is here to stay, press mute next time he wins because it isn’t getting any better. Like Peter Griffin says “He’s not the sharpest knife in the spoon.”