UFC 100: In defense of Brock Lesnar

No, it wasn’t like one of your posts JG – the spelling, punctuation and grammar were correct throughout, and the article was coherent.

Haha, j/k bud.

lmfao well damn that was funny

jesse holland wants lesnar’s sword inside of him! great picks by the way, alves by knockout, bisping by decision… lolzers

Great article jesse, thoroughly agree.

Damn Jesse, you’re a little like the Brock Lesnar of mmamania right now … almost universally reviled, ( ;-) ) yet bringing in the big numbers. This might be the quickest thread to 140 posts in recent memory!

and hopefully it will end tomorrow and we can start discussing 101

Yes … 101 AND Affliction: Trilogy!

Fedor! Fedor! FEDOR!!!

I have been saying the same exact thing as Jesse since saturday, but I get flamed for EVERYTHING around here!

you deserve it and you know it ;)

John G-

Only the trolls would flame you. The others would debate you.

Haters gonna hate, John…

Earlier I got flamed for YELLING on an mma site! wtf?

THat is an all time low!~

John! Normal voice, please. You’re hurting my ears.

LoL!!

all I know is, what BROCK did was GREAT!!!!!

y? Cause this is the most attention the UFC has ever gotten.

Does anyone think that Hendo ko’ing bIsping would ever have been #3 on the weekends top plays on ESPN’s SPORTCENTER had Brock not went BEZERK? Of course not. Hendo owes a big thank you to Brock!

Love him or Condemn him, THE ENTIRE MAINSTREAM world is talking UFC 100 TODAY! and what he did wasnt bad enough to do any serious damage, its just got the WORLD BUZZING!

I have been watching UFC 100 on Sportcenter all morning, ROME is burning was basically all UFC today, its being talked about everywhere. WHAT HE DID WAS GREAT FOR THE MAINSTREAM!

Sure it was bad to us purists, but what he did, will help the sport grow.

Great post Jesse hOlland, how did you come up with it? Did you just cut n past a few of my post of the past few days?

SWAGGER-Jacker! lol, LOVE YOU UNCLE JESSE!

my posts are too lone

I yell when i post

im too high when I blog

I dont like frank Mir

EAT a Dick, n get off mine! Two Lesnar middle fingers up to the haters! Much love to the rest of you!

and YES McArthur, the weekend bloggers are Focking BRUTAL! Hope that wasnt too loud!

Can someone explain this rumor that Brock got 3.5 million for this fight? What?

someone earlier claimed he’d recieve said amount after his cut of the PPV…don’t remember who but remember thinking they were a good source so I went with that

yeah, Im hearing he made 3 mil as well.

Its no secret that headliners make much more then their reported salary. BOnuses, and ppv %….

THey say Liddell was bringing home about 3 mil per fight!

If I have to hear another person upset about Brock disrespecting his sponsors…I will FOCKING SNAP!!!

We are Fans of the fights…who the FOCK cares about the sponsors? Is anyone actually going to go buy bud light cause they saw it on the Octagon…FOCK NO! I wouldnt drink that crap either if I was Brock!

Good for you Brock…I always like a good ol’ fashion CORPORATE FOCK YOU!!!!!

Yeah, as I stated in a post somewhere below, pissing off Bud ‘the King of Urine’ Light was the only part of his speech I enjoyed.

JJ: Im happy as well about Affliction 3 AND ufc 101, BUT DONT SLEEP ON DREAM 10 JULY 20

where the fOck is Stefan Malovanichavijick or however the hell you spell his name? lol

Can we get a little K-1 coverage around here buddy?

Yaeh, I’ms toked for the K-1 but I have to find a stream to watch it. Kind of sucks.

I have an important question: WHERE CAN I BET UFC PARLAYS ONLINE IN CANADA? A site where I can do this would be MUCH appreciated.

wow well done brock has beat yet another guy with his size

i am fed up of everyone jumping on some ones band wagon because they are winning or is the champion

everyone says he has accomplished so much in such a short amount of time in the ufc…

firstly i would hardly call the HW division stacked

its top contenders are:
Cain ‘i cant take a punch’ Valasquez
Cheick ‘i cant defend take downs’ kongo
Heath ‘the gate keeper’ Herring
Randy ‘methuselah’ Couture

the only decent contender who is closest to brock’s size is carwin

secondly lesnar’s biggest opponent was roughly 30-40lb smaller than him, that is like a LW fighting a MW

and his smallest opponent has been about 55lb smaller than him, that is like a ww fighting a HW and it is a bigger difference than a LW fighting LHW, i am seriously confused on how people can give him credit for his wins?

Is it just me or is Brock Lesnar a polarizing figure?

Nah! I’m just imagining things.

Who are we kidding, Brock could beat god via triangle and he’d still have people talking about how he is a no talent freak show.

Brock could take him. God’s ground game is overrated.

I’ve heard Rich Franklin talk about how top fighters or Champions get shares of PPV revenue (it was an interview around his fight vs David Loiseau). Rich went on to say that a good deal is like a $1 per buy in addition to what you make in contract. I would imagine Brock probably has like a $1 – $2 deal because of his drawing power. That’s how Brock, Chuck, GSP and company get rumored to make way more than what is revealed.
From what i’ve researched Affliction gives money up front from what is ‘speculated’ for PPV revenue. That’s why it appears that UFC fighters are way underpaid vs Affliction fighters.

JOhn, I dont see any connectio between Hendo getting on top plays and Brock flippign off the crowd, explain that please

jesse, why would people want a body like brocks?

by the age of 50-60 the majority of the muscle will turn into fat and will cause serious back stress

he will look seriously overweight, his mobility will go quicker and he will probably die a lot younger than the average man

he may think that body is a gift from god now but soon he’ll think its a curse when he gets older

Fight News***

Cro-Cop officially back in UFC with three-fight deal.

McFedries/Drwal at 103. That card looks pretty much done. If so, and this remains a PPV, let me be the first to proclaim: lame.

Apparently Franklin could still be headlining the 103 card. If not Cane, against whom I wonder?

I don’t think Brock used steroids because I’ll never have his body. I think he used steroids because he was caught with growth hormone, and the picture on the 2nd or 3rd page of this site show that he was much larger AND more defined a few years ago in the WWE. Now unless he’s quit working out since starting MMA that shouldn’t be the case. I’m betting he’s working out as hard as ever and still losing muscle and definition. Only one reason for that. This is the same type of thinking that let frauds like Mark Mcgwire, Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds bring baseball back. I don’t care how hard I get flamed for this, Brock Lesnar DID use steroids at some point. Now-all that being said I’d also be willing to bet he doesn’t use them anymore so I’m not going to try to discredit his career because he used to juice.

Also GSP, Franklin(like you mentioned), and Fedor among many other fighters apparently DO have this emotional on-off switch that you speak of because they never act like Lesnar did last night. And to John G-I haven’t flamed you personally for your views on Brock but I do think your logic is flawed and that for the way that you hate Mir for his cockiness you come off looking pretty hypocritical. And ESPN covered UFC 100 all of last week and profiled several fighters. I think it was still being covered after the event because it was the biggest MMA event in history, not because Brock was on the card. Hendo has his right hand and Bisping’s dumb, circling-to-the-left-all-fight, ass for being #3 on the top ten countdown…not Brock. You guys can say all you want about Brock being good for the sport from a publicity standpoint, and maybe you’re right. But you can still acknowledge the fact that he was a classless, out of line, jerk after the fight. He’s good for the UFC’s PPV buys, but I don’t think he’s good for the sport in general. To outsiders MMA already has some stigmas that need to be broken, and Brock just hurt that cause. The lassoing, the lack of respect for Randy…I don’t have a problem with that. The way he acted after the fight was terrible though.

Cant argue with your opinion that Brock used steroids or growth enhancers. The problem your post presents is that the same arguement can be leveled at any fighter and remains simply an accusation.
Look at Alves and GSP, those guys have freak muscles, did they juice or get them from hard training? Fedors teamate was done for using steroids, so there are juicers in his training camp, guilt by association? Why not?

A bunch of pride guys havent done as well as expected in the UFC, they could all have been juicers before they came here, they dont test in japan. Barnett juiced and got caught in a UFC title fight, he gets a lot of respect form fans though and he looked flabby and out of shape anyway.

Lets just say everyone juices but only a few ge found out. It is as relevent as your opinion on Brock.

Go and watch some of Brocks NCAA wresting tapes. You can see that he had a freak muscle bound body from a very young age, people said that the crowds at these NCAA things would gasp and drop their jaws in amazement when he took off his shirt and that was way before the pro wrestling days,and he would have been tested for performance enhancers.
Heres some of his youth stuff – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfjSpKN2vt0 look how freaky long his arms and wide his shoulders are at 1m 36s (shows the frame he had to build on.)
Heres a good example of the power, speed and technique that made him such a dominant wrestler and you can also see how huge and muscualr he was before pro rastlin. Dont forget he was being tested regularly at the time of this video.

There are a bunch more videos of brocks early days if you do a little surch but be warned, gold spandex is bad for your eyesight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvu0E8RNmcs&feature=related

A few things I left out but probably should have added. First, I have suspicions about other fighters as well, but it’s confirmed that Brock was caught with growth hormone. At the very least he was using a PED. I didn’t address other people who were caught using steroids because it wasn’t the topic at hand. I was addressing the comments that were made in this article. I don’t think that Sean Sherk or Barnett’s careers should be totally nullified because they used at one point, but I personally do take it into account when I look at their careers as a whole. I know one thing that’s for certain and that’s steroids certainly don’t hinder your performance. Paniczoo I’m not saying Brock isn’t naturally a freak, I’m just saying that he did use. Look at his pictures from WWE, look at him now with his back rolls and much less muscle. You know he’s training just as hard now, and I’m sure the cardio he’s doing now is much more intense than when he was in the WWE. He was asked a question about steroids and stormed off-set and the only thing he says is, “I never * failed a drug test!” Sounds like all the baseball players doesn’t it? I’ve never failed a test doesn’t mean I’ve never used. I’m just saying think about it with common sense and it’s pretty hard to argue that the guy juiced.

Keep it up gang! 400 posts isn’t far off!

We will probably never know. The reason I brought up other fighters who had been caught was to highlight one thing – Brock gets hate for being a roid freak because of the way he looks.

If Barnett, Sylvia and Baby Fedor hadn’t been tested and caught, NOBODY would have accused them of using steroids. Why? Because they are all a bit flabby looking like most regular guys.

I think Holland was correct in saying that most guys look at Brock and feel physically intimidated and inadequate, so it’s easier to label him as a cheat and steroid user and downplay his intelligence, penis size, class, morals, behaviour and wife. I even read one post about how Brock will turn saggy when he’s 60 years old, so what!? Everyone is saggy at 60, you aren’t going to be pulling hot chicks or getting in fights at that age anyway so who cares.

Maybe not you Dice but a part of me is jealous of Brock because I have more in common with Roy Nelson than with him.

Good post, Jesse. Although I disagree with some minor points, your overall point is true.

Speaking for myself it’s not that I can’t handle the fact that Brock’s being honest with his feelings, and it’s not that I’m against it either, but when you display a lack of class by being both a sore loser and an ungracious winner, naturally people are going to criticize you, no matter who you are. You make out he’s a victim and was prodded like a caged animal, but his answer to the criticism was his beatdown of Mir. His actions, as the cliche goes, spoke louder than words. But for him that wasn’t loud enough so he needed to kick a dog when it’s down. There’s no class in that.

As high-profile as he is and as privileged as he is for getting a shortcut to the belt, it’s understandable that there are going to be critics when he came in from nowhere and overshadowed the other fighters. Understandably, people are going to question his merit. However, he answered the critics and proved that he’s capable of hanging with the top fighters. But he also proved that he’s a jerk.

You criticize Carwin for speaking his mind and go on to explain why he doesn’t deserve to speak so loftily, but that’s a similar reason people criticized Brock. You seem to attribute the catalyst for Brock’s outburst to the criticism from the masses and the pressure of carrying the card. You make out Brock is a victim. The last thing he’s shown is that he’s a victim. He’s the aggressor if anything. He chose to come in, chose to fight the best, chose to point and laugh at Herring after beating him, chose to ride him like a pony, chose to walk up to Mir and rub it in his face. He did what he wanted to do and treated them like shit afterward. How is that the story of a victim?

You speak of Carwin as though he has no right or privilege to even comment on Brock, like Brock is so far above his level of a fighter. Carwin’s been fighting longer than Brock has and in his eyes he’s every bit as good as Brock, just as Brock thought the same about himself. If Carwin could choose to carry the biggest UFC PPV in history, he would jump at the chance. You make out Brock is a victim for it.

But, in terms of whether “it’s bad for the sport” I don’t think it is. A fighter shouldn’t have to be forced to be someone other than himself. But disliking a fighter because of his antics is different to wanting to curtail his liberty to do so. I say let people be who they want. That’s why we like some people and dislike others. As good a guy as Rich Franklin is there are still people who can’t stand him (hard to imagine, I know).

The last thing we want is a fake, censured sport where the true opinions of fighters are said behind closed doors for fear of overwhelming scrutiny from the public or reproach from the suits. One of the great things I’ve enjoyed about the UFC and MMA is that the fighters have more freedom than a lot of other sports stars who answer every question diplomatically with the same boring responses. A good example is Nick Diaz. Like him or hate him, I like the fact that he can smoke pot and not have to apologize for it as though he owes the community his repentance for being a “bad example to the kids” a la Michael Phelps. People have the freedom to be who they want and we have the freedom to like them or not. That’s part of the fun.

When the bureaucrats take over a sport like so many others and control the thoughts and actions of the stars who are the core of its creation and continued success, that’s when it becomes a hollow and useless organization with a primary goal to make money and appease the sponsors over the consideration and nurturing of the opinions and passions of the fighters.

I don’t give a flying fack as long as people speak their minds. But just the same, I still want somebody to take Borck out of his misery. And also, the reason why Borck acts like a retard is due to all that inbreeding.

I don’t know if my post came through. Anyway . . .

Good post, Jesse. Although I disagree with some minor points, your overall point is true.

Speaking for myself it’s not that I can’t handle the fact that Brock’s being honest with his feelings, and it’s not that I’m against it either, but when you display a lack of class by being both a sore loser and an ungracious winner, naturally people are going to criticize you, no matter who you are. You make out he’s a victim and was prodded like a caged animal, but his answer to the criticism was his beatdown of Mir. His actions, as the cliche goes, spoke louder than words. But for him that wasn’t loud enough so he needed to kick a dog when it’s down. There’s no class in that.

As high-profile as he is and as privileged as he is for getting a shortcut to the belt, it’s understandable that there are going to be critics when he came in from nowhere and overshadowed the other fighters. Understandably, people are going to question his merit. However, he answered the critics and proved that he’s capable of hanging with the top fighters. But he also proved that he’s a jerk.

You criticize Carwin for speaking his mind and go on to explain why he doesn’t deserve to speak so loftily, but that’s a similar reason people criticized Brock. You seem to attribute the catalyst for Brock’s outburst to the criticism from the masses and the pressure of carrying the card. You make out Brock is a victim. The last thing he’s shown is that he’s a victim. He’s the aggressor if anything. He chose to come in, chose to fight the best, chose to point and laugh at Herring after beating him, chose to ride him like a pony, chose to walk up to Mir and rub it in his face. He did what he wanted to do and treated them like shit afterward. How is that the story of a victim?

You speak of Carwin as though he has no right or privilege to even comment on Brock, like Brock is so far above his level of a fighter. Carwin’s been fighting longer than Brock has and in his eyes he’s every bit as good as Brock, just as Brock thought the same about himself. If Carwin could choose to carry the biggest UFC PPV in history, he would jump at the chance. You make out Brock is a victim for it.

But, in terms of whether “it’s bad for the sport” I don’t think it is. A fighter shouldn’t have to be forced to be someone other than himself. But disliking a fighter because of his antics is different to wanting to curtail his liberty to do so. I say let people be who they want. That’s why we like some people and dislike others. As good a guy as Rich Franklin is there are still people who can’t stand him (hard to imagine, I know).

The last thing we want is a fake, censured sport where the true opinions of fighters are said behind closed doors for fear of overwhelming scrutiny from the public or reproach from the suits. One of the great things I’ve enjoyed about the UFC and MMA is that the fighters have more freedom than a lot of other sports stars who answer every question diplomatically with the same boring responses. A good example is Nick Diaz. Like him or hate him, I like the fact that he can smoke pot and not have to apologize for it as though he owes the community his repentance for being a “bad example to the kids” a la Michael Phelps. People have the freedom to be who they want and we have the freedom to like them or not. That’s part of the fun.

When the bureaucrats take over a sport like so many others and control the thoughts and actions of the stars who are the core of its creation and continued success, that’s when it becomes a hollow and useless organization with a primary goal to make money and appease the sponsors over the consideration and nurturing of the opinions and passions of the fighters.

Now everyone is all polite and wants to thank Jesse for his enlightenment. Oh thank you, I didn’t realize that Brock had such a big chip on his shoulder, now I understand why he went crazy. I mean look at Rampage, when he lost to Forrest. It all makes sense now we have to accept that these fighters are not as mentally strong as they are physically. I hope everyone can tell I’m joking because judging by Johns posts ranting about how I poked fun at him typing in all caps, people are taking me pretty seriously. Well the serious part is that I don’t care that people were booing Brock. I don’t care that he came from the WWE. and I don’t care whether or not he previously used steroids as long as he isn’t using them now. What I do care about is the fact that everyone is STILL trying to defend his actions. Same thing goes for Hendo and people trying to defend his actions. The solid truth is they admitted their wrong doing, they apologized for it. How hard is it to understand that when someone admits guilt they did in all actuality do something wrong regardless of the possible benefits of their wrong doing. When you rob a bank its wrong but the possible plus side is getting away with a lot of money. So I guess Brock’s crazy antics and rudeness could in all actuality help out the company, lets give him a big pat on the back and thank him for his hard work. Also why does everyone keep acting like the people who are arguing against this garbage don’t respect Brocks skills? He did a terrific job in his fight and the only argument I have against it is that his antics drew so much attention that you barely remember how the fight went. If we are going to accept that the pressure of the ring can cause fighters to go crazy and run from the police, or punch a fighter after he’s already KO’d, or flip off a crowd and trash their sponsors then maybe we should have experts psyco-analyze these fighters before we actually sanction them to fight?

also to anyone who keeps getting all butt hurt over posts I make in response to theirs. Stop posting if you can’t take a joke, seriously. Also stop smoking so much if you don’t even realize your typing in caps. Again just in case you can’t tell, I’m half joking here. (try and guess which half)

Excuse the spelling mistakes and the double post. Sorry.

Mexi-

The only thing worse than a sore loser is a disrespectful, ungracious winner.

Jesse, for me it comes down to respect, or lack thereof. Brock is a tough guy and may be champ for a while (unless Fedor signing is a reality), but the fact that he is so disrespectful to his opponents, his fans, his sponsors, and thus the sport is too much for me. I can’t root for a guy like that. I have trained martial arts for several years and have been taught respect just as much as technique if not more so. He just needs to grow up and quit it with the WWE bs, its embarrassing to MMA as a whole. He is exactly what the powers-that-be have tried so hard to disprove: this stigma that fighters are uneducated punks and bullies. You are a Top 5 HW in the world and UFC champion, act like it Brock!!!

If nobody gives him any respect, calling him a fake fighter, saying he didn’t deserve a title shot, not to mention all the BS that Mir spewed over the last couple months, then why should he give any respect back?

i think the org. lesnar is in prides itself more on being ‘ultimate fighting’ rather than ‘martial art’. martial arts are about respect and honor. fighting is not! Nothing frank mir did or said before this fight garnered any respect from lesnar. saying u’ve made certain comments to sell a fight is ridiculous and a lie! a man is responsible for any words he speaks, so maybe next time mir will watch his mouth. i think brock taught mir a lesson that frank’s parents evidently failed at, and that’s to be humble and to watch what u say about other people.

C’mon PW! We are talking about grown men. Kimbo doesn’t get any respect and he has behaved better! I can’t believe I just said something nice about Kimbo (hitting myself in the head).

Kimbo was too winded after all his fights to say anything. Besides, he sucks. Being champion of his 8-block radius in Miami is only going to get him some free chicken and waffles, not a nice shiny gold belt.

IMHO what Hendo did was FAR worse for the sport than what Lesnar did. C’mon, the guy was out, Hendo knew he was out, and he jumps in the air, and comes down as hard as he can onto the opponents face.

Thank God it didn’t, but that could have caused a huge amount of permanent damage and was completely unnecessary. And then, Hendo publicly admits he knew Bisbing was out and landed that last, vicious forearm just to ‘shut him up’. You tell me what is worse, a shot that could have cause permanent damage or Brock flipping off the fans?

Yet, we are sitting here worried about a guy saying publicly that he is going to be with his wife. And all the sudden forget that his opponent mocked him with a skit that exclaimed “this isn’t the WWE”. You don’t like him so when he acts out you accuse him of being bad for the sport. Take a nap!

Sig-

Excellent points.

Mex: Preach on Brother!

THe MOthaFocking GOspel of King felix! lol

Sig, great points, what Hendo did was disgraceful, it was bad enough landing that extra shot but boasting about it at a time when Bisping looked seriously hurt is cowardly and one of the lowest moments in the sport since Cantwell did that “arm snap” gesture when he beat Al-Hassan. Purposely trying to punch an unconcious opponent is a lot worse than making crude comments after winning.

Brock and Hendo both have excellent amateur wrestling backgrounds and both have a tendency to insult people but because Lesnar was in the WWE and Dan was at the Olymics, both guys are treated differently by the same people.

I’m not condoning what Brock did and some of it was admittedly childish and inappropriate but he is still a rookie at this sport and has achieved so much in such a short space of time, so immature acts are going to happen, Dan on the other hand has been in this sport for years and is a respected veteran so he should have known better.

randy showed brock respect but he got none back

LOL @ john

I cannot stand when people complain about Lesnar being so much bigger than his opponents. They just plain out shouldnt fight him then. Do not blame him for his size. As for the steriod comment. I think everyone would be extremely suprised to know how many fighter and professional atheletes in general take performance enhancing drugs or at least have in the past. You dont think Mir was on Roids during his knee rehab? Please. Brock cuts to 265 that is the reality, part of his game. Complaining about it is like complaining that Hendo went to the Olympics it is just part of his game.

I think the comment made above about there being a difference between martial artists and ultimate fighters is extremely valid. Martial artists love honor and respect as they should. The new generation of fighter that is coming up in MMA for the most part are not martial artists they are fighters.

The reality of the situation is
1. Mir talked smack, a lot of it before the fight. He claims it was to hype the fight. Lesnar can say he is just getting an early start on hyping the rubber match if Mir can every make it back into title shot position. He would get crushed even worse by the way.

2. What Hendo did was 10 times worse for the sport than anything Lesnar did. He could of killed that man for real, and then to smile and brag about it. Way worse.

3. People have not given Lesnar any credit and still are not. He is the most dominant HW in the land. After he fights Carwin, a guy close to his size, and defeats him in similar fashion as he did to Mir what are all these people going to say that his reason for winning is then. People claiming it is just his size do not really know this sport. I said it. If you think he is winning just due to his size you should not consider yourself a fan of this sport. Until someone can stuff his shot on a consistent basis he will reign unless someone gets a one punch in on him, which I dont think will happen.

He takes people down at will and now that he has figured out how to neutralize BJJ as he did with a true BJJ black belt in Mir he will be dominant.

THANK YOU SIG AND ASR! I’ve been saying that about Henderson all damn day, and all I hear is a bunch of 12-year-olds saying either Bisping deserved it or the ref didn’t stop it. That’s the sort of thing that keeps MMA from being sanctioned in a lot of states.

actions speaks louder than words, and on saturday Hendo was actions and Brock was words…
haters gonna hate but man im feeling great thanks to soccer i’ve grown more ice than a hockey skate..

Sig, the ref didn’t stop Hendo[yet] when he threw that last punch.

I believe he always claims to be a fighter not a mixed martial artist, but anyway hate to point this out but you also sound like a 12 year old on a rant. Brock is not smart by his own words. As for the IQ test my last one was 126. I personally think trash talking a person you beat that didnt trash talk at all is ridiculous, but telling Mir he can talk all the crap he wants now after the amount Mir talked pre fight and how bad the whippin was…. like you wouldn’t. GSP is the pound for pound best fighter in the world. Put a GSP of any size in against anyone the same size and the end result will be the same.

Bro do not get yourself so hot under the collar. I know it is hard to accept that the mixed martial artist lost to the fighter. It is not the end of the sport, just the end to an overhype career for Frank Mir.

I agree w/ P.Ovaries 110%

For those of you that think any press is good press, think again. This is a violent combat sport that is trying to expand with difficulty. Now is not the time for Lesnar’s crap!

For those of you that think his antics were funny, and nothing wrong with it… see above. Also, not to be rude, but you’re probably the same people that would just point and laugh at an elderly woman who just fell off a curb and into a puddle.

Many of you play the “well it’s a business” card, or it’s good for pay-per-views. Well, is insulting the biggest sponsor good business? I think you’ve already made up your mind, are unwilling to truly consider other points of view, and will misuse facts and otherwise blur the truth to suite your own purpose.

Lesnar’s words may have been motivated partially by external pressures, but were poorly chosen. He flipped the bird to the audience that lines his pockets. “Villains” and “heroes” sounds like one of those poorly scripted and played out stories from WWE.

I could go on and on. But you get my point. Ovaries is right, it’s one thing to smack talk and all that other BS, but Lesnar was juvenile, immature, and idiotic. Fact of the matter is we saw Lesnar’s true colors on Saturday, not the actions of a true champion and representative of the sport (which is trying to expand).

BROCK would win rather easily, imo

I’m goin’ with Fedor. He will still have a 0 in his loss column when he retires[hopefully].

Exactly Rand for Couture,

Celebrate like a retard and insult your beaten opponent, the fans, the largest sponsor of the UFC, mma in general, and your wife. Woooohoooooo!

I know, the crowd started chanting “stand them up” at one point even though Mir was getting his face bashed in.

Ur right. He is 100% a fucking maniac. But r u trying to tell me that Rampage is sane? That BJ Penn is sane? He is a supreme athlete that got caught up in the emotion of winning a championship matchup in the biggest mma event of all time. I bet you have just as big of a reaction after you win in the UFC video game. Like Jesse says, it was 18 months of pent up emotion that errupted after he just realized his dreams.

I’m glad u bring up Machida. If you were truly unbias you would remember Machida told Sokoudjou to go back to the Jungle to train. Ignorant, Racist and Disrespectful remarks are okay, but saying Mir was lucky and not touching gloves makes him a maniac and a disgrace to the sport.

BJ Penn licked blood off an opponents face. Forrest Griffin cried and ran out of the octogon. Henderson admitted to nearly killing Bisbing. This kind of stuff happens all the time, and it stems from how emotional and passionite these fighters are. Its just a matter of u guys don’t like him so you are making a HUGE deal out of it. I’m sure the UFC will really miss you on PPV buys at his next fight….

I totally agree, I hate to see some one dierespect a sport that I love so much. On the other unlike you, i will watch him fight cause when it happens, it will be so sweet watching him get his huge, square head beat in!!

i’m sorry but one thing like this is not going to put off may people if anyone from watching MMA, the other fights were good at ufc 100 and if first time fans were watching I dont see this putting them off much. He’s has repetadly admited to being a sore looser and to have someone talk trash about you for over a year and then beat them, there has to be part of you that basically wants to say the in your face type of thing and some of that clearly came out. I havent watched the fight again but to me it looked like mir came at him then said something but i cant be sure.
Also for him giving his oponents no respect he has just said thats his just his philosophy and things have gone wrong for him in the past when he has shown respect, i dont know about you guys but if i was in that situation i think i’d stick with the thing that seems to work. The thing i thought was the stupidest thing was insulting bud light, I actually did find that halarious when he said it but the ufc must have been pissed about it.
The whole hendo situation i think has been blown way out of perspective aswell. He has said that he realised bisping was out when he was basically mid air, at which point its to late to do anything about it. I think it would have been hard for him to know at the moment he went for the last punch that bisping was out and for all he knew bisping could have recovered so he wanted to make sure he finished him. And for him saying it felt good I dont blame him for that after the shit bisping talked about him, that would surely piss anyone off and I’m pretty sure it would have felt good to anyone weather they would admit it or not.
Just my thoughts anyway

sigpesal, you’re an idiot. Machida’s comment wasn’t racist at all.

Sokoujou HIMSELF said that he was going to use the “Jungle Kung-Fu” on Machida!

See it for yourself, dumbass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXm2DXUcc1Y&eurl=http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2007/11/28/sokoudjou-will-use-jungle-kung-fu-on-machida/&feature=player_embedded

Good thing there’s a video, ‘cause you probably can’t read very well. =D

By the way, “African Assassin” it’s one of the most STUPID nicknames I’ve ever heard!

I love how everyone is ok with all the crap that Mir was talking and how his sportsmanship has remained in tact. Then, the fans are booing Brock before, during and after the fight and yet nothing is wrong with that. Then, when Brock kicks Mir’s butt and gets pumped about it, he’s the poor sport. I was happy all you booing fans got to watch Brock dominate. Live with it. Mir got what he deserved, live with it. Brock is here to stay and he will be dominant as long as he stays in the sport…learn to live with it, b_tches. Quit crying about honor in the sport and blah blah blah…there have been PLENTY of fighters who haven’t been 100% respectful and ggod sports. Just admit you hate the guy cause he comes from the WWE and he’s kicking everyone’s @ss. Fedor stands no chance against this guy.

He might have pleased fans in their teens and early twenties – but how many kids can even afford to regularly buy PPVs. Every person I watched that fight with was over 30, and they all rolled their eyes and shook their heads at Brock’s childishness and poor sportsmanship. I think a lot of them would NOT pay to watch him again – but admittedly, I will!

me too but only to see him lose…in 3-4 years he’ll sag worse than a hungover, porch sitting Mark Coleman

Here!! Here!! I cannot wait to watch him get ko’d.

I am not a Lesnar fan, but can easily see the UFC will cash in on him like no one before. Look at the volume of posts on all these threads. Best believe PPV numbers for any event Lesnar competes in will be huge. Those that love Lesnar will buy, and those that hate him will buy hoping they can see him lose.

As for this thread, like him or not, it is fact that the UFC HW division has been mostly putrid leading up to where it is now. With MMA becoming the #1 combat sport, the HW champ should be the most recognizable fighter. The UFC now has this in Lesnar. The only downside from a business perspective are the ongoing battles to sanction and legitimize the sport nationwide, and even though Lesnar’s antics SHOULD have nothing to do with that, they probably will as the old perceptions will die hard.

I don’t know what the big deal is about him catching flack for being inexperienced- he is. So what? So many fighters catch shit and don’t get respect for so long about a myriad of reasons. The guy is 6’3/300lbs with little man syndrome. Everyone else can work hard, prove themselves and bide their time but not Brock? He needs to be coddled? The stars have aligned to get him to where he is and I don’t feel bad for him at all.

Remember what Jim Ross and Bishoff said, “Controversy creates Cash!!!”

Yes controversy creates cash that’s a known thing! that’s why Paris Hilton is dating 10 different guys in one week, she’s smart!.. JJ the UFC is on free tv around the world and alot of ppl download the event the day after…
all the older guys around 30 can’t seem to relax, they are bitter old and over the hill guys that takes everything too serious!..

Brock is doing more for the sport than anyone in the UFC! stick that up ur a** cause that’s the truth, he creates interest and media attention to the sport! that is what it’s about…
the fact is also that the UFC is more late night entertainment/business than it is a sport!

Here here, I can’t wait to see Brock KO fedor!

DSmith-

Nice post.

Great post, DSmith! Way to represent for all the MMA-loving ladies out there!

Hey DSmith, freaking shot in the dark, you wanna do something sometime?? Lol Jk but seriously nice post.

Thanks guys. :)

Lol@ Dragon. You’d still be thinking I was a guy if it weren’t for my boy John G. Shish… you friend a guy on Facebook in the morning and he pushes you out of the closet in the afternoon. :/

You need a new screen name. I assumed you were a dude, and now I feel sorta weird about things.

Back off, fuckers! She’s mine!

I call seconds! j/k

Lol I actually had no idea you was a chick till I read this post I think it was the “As a woman who is into MMA as much as I am” that gave it away!!! Anyway I just assume everyone on here is a dude, sorry ladies. O and yeah DSmith, P dub is right you should change your name to something more girlie. jk lol

Lmfao@ all of you!

Do you feel…dirty PW? Betrayed?

Mac, you sick bastard, she has feelings too (notice how I play the nice guy routine so I can have firsts?) ;-) lol jk

I just feel oddly aroused…

OJR WTF?? lol

OJR -

MacArthur posts can have that affect on a fellow. I’ve heard.

Its like a cyber train on poor DSmith…

Disgusting yet oddly intruiging…

JJ-

You have heard, huh? LOL. Freudian slip? :)

Let’s refocus gentlemen! This thread is about the assholeness of Brock Lesnar and the awesomeness of what Jesse has to say about it. Jeez..get a pair of tits in the room and all hell breaks loose!

No that’s not it . . . it makes me feel kind of funny, like when I used to climb the rope in gym class. :)

Nothin’ but a bunch of derelicts :)

Guilty as charged, Madam. The handcuffs are on the dresser.

:-)

:)

don’t forget sarah! don’t me you thought she was a dude too. lol

don’t tell me ^^

I’m not ashamed to be the guy known as the guy thats not gay…

She was on the Carano thread- go get her! I’d hate for her to miss out on all this lovin!

I’ll wait here

Hahahaha!!!

Great stuff guys … and gal

See you all manana!

LOl Roy, that’s what I was about to post.

Hahahahahaha that shit is funny roy!!

Totally……..

Some people just can’t take a joke these days.

I hate Brock, I loath Brock I well….whatever. The whole comment was to give Jesse Holland credit for a good post.

Later

Chris Valentine

Very nice. :D

Bud paid UFC, UFC paid Brock.

Your testes didn’t drop until you were 12?

me too

best write up ever! thank you jesse…

Make it happen Jesse!

Yea me niether, just from a business perspective that IMO was the only thing he did that was really wrong. As far as trash talkin Mir and flipping off the crowd; I’m not sure what ppl want him to say. He got boo’d from the second he walked out till he went back to the locker room; what do people want him to say? “Thanks for hating my guts guys, you people are great.” yea right.. Mir should’ve stuck to “i’m going to sub him.” or “I’m going to knock him out”; I see no problem with hyping a fight that way, but he went way beyond that.

I think the kind of publicity he gave Bud Light was priceless. Nobody really pays attention when Bruce Buffer says ‘brought to you by Bud Light, AND FIGHTING OUT OF THE BLUE CORNER . . .’ But when Lesnar makes Bud Light a focal point in the ring and again at the press conference, now people are paying attention.

what bothers me the most is that Brock actually thought what he said was funny…honestly, nothing he has ever said was remotely funny…arrogance, I can deal with, ignorance, I can deal with, over-confidence and cockiness, I can deal with. But I cannot deal with a fighter that says things to seem quick witted or funny only to watch them fall flat.

It actually takes a much higher level of intelligence than Brock posseses to be funny when you want to be funny. Either that or the ability to squirt milk out your nose on command.

I wouldn’t take it personal if I was in the crowd and I wasn’t one of the one’s booing; and if I was booing then obviously I don’t like the guy, so why care if he doesn’t like me?? Just my 2 cents on that one.

good points fellas

Agreed. BUT he is a champion and as such should be held to a higher degree, especially when representing an up and coming sport into the mainstream.

Yea there’s a degree of professionalism he should try to maintain but at the same time, I don’t care to see him hide who he is either. Like him or hate him the guy is genuine; and thats a rarity.

Yes, genuine is refreshing I suppose … but if the ‘genuine’ you is a COMLPLETE asshole, maybe being a bit of a phony in public once in a while ain’t such a bad idea. I mean, you can be genuine without volunteering ridiculous statements that are almost guaranteed to bring scorn and dislike your way.

Yea my mistake, get off my back, obviously you know what I meant and it’s the similarity in the situation I’m referring to more than exactly who was involved that matters anyway.

Yeah that was for sure Cole miller, I remember the interveiw was in his hotel room…..

I think my point was completely lost here… As the point of the post isn’t really about Cole Miller or Junie Browning or Joe Lauzon, but w/e…

You should know that your point wasn’t lost. We isn’t that dumb. A little sensitive today Mr. O damn.

we certainly isn’t…

O no sir, i aint mad none at all!

Yeah plus lesnar was in half gaurd I beleive, either way Mir’s face was a mess and he was down for a couple minutes, he was definately hurt, it was a legit stoppage….

The last few punches when Mir was against the cage were brutal. They definitely weren’t the two inch taps Mir referred to in the prefight interviews. What do you think Mir’s intentions were when he got up quickly and started heading towards brock, albeit disoriented? Hard to tell if he was going to congratulate Brock or trying to continue to fight and get at him.

Honestly I think he was gonna congradulate him, Mir has never been known as a “bad sport” ya know? Plus he looked really shocked when lesnar yelled “Talk shit now” then again that look may have been from the punches. lol

and yeah I said congradulate. lol *congratulate

Hey did you see how many heavy redcoats thay had in there for the stare down and after the fight. I bet one of those guys had a tranq dart loaded in a pistol just incase the animal got loose in the crowd. Who could take out more bouncers, Overeem or Brock?

Overeem. Got to take the faster, more accurate striker against a cluster of meatheads.

Youre probably right there JJ, and he has more experience at it than Brock.

Holland has balls of big steel and he aint taking shit from no-one!

PW-

He isn’t a true MMA fighter but he sure is dominant.

And I still contend that what he meant in his own clumsy way is that too much respect for an opponent’s skills is akin to fear and will get you beat in the cage because you worry too much about what the other guy is doing and not what he needs to do. It did NOT mean that he doesn’t respect Randy’s career and championship pedigree. At least the way I interpreted it within the context of the entire quote/story.

Why the hell does Randy deserve respect anyway? Just because he’s Randy “whaa, whaa, I want more money” Couture? This is the one sport where you don’t respect your elders. You kick their @ss and force in a new generation of elite fighters.

Yeah he definitely has a lot of work to do on his stand up but I think that it has come a long way being as he was able to drop Mir (in the first fight), Couture, and Heath Herring. In his first MMA bout, he immediatly shot in for a takedown and didn’t stand at all. Now he is starting to throw leg kicks. He has only been training in MMA for about 3 or 4 years if I am not mistaken. Submission defense was key and it seems like he has solved that problem.

Mir had a pretty noticeable welt on his leg from taking an inside leg kick. Brock probably won’t go Cro-Cop-In-His-Prime on anyone, but if he gives opponents one more thing to think about it will help open up those big meaty fists.

Whatever guy. He still didn’t desrespect her. You’re not gonna change my opinion by saying I’m not classy. Not gonna hurt my feelings!

I’m on justagirl’s side with this one. Who the hell cares if he says he’s gonna get on top of his wife, it was funny sh_t and made the PPV more than worth the $ paid. He was even fairly respectful about it (it’s not like he said he was going to r@pe her @ss or anything) and it was meant to be entertaining.

exactly, that was some classic sh_t!

doubled, are you straight? What the h_ll is wrong with you? Everything you just listed is freakin’ awesome!

hehehehe, amen, that is a hot woman.

After some extensive research ;-) i have come to the conclusion that she is not the sensetive type LOL.
She is in fact just as mad as Brock and hotter than the sun! Exhibit a. http://blog.joins.com/usr/t/on/tony4328/0902/498cfb3ce3fd0.jpg

But he is a true mixed martial artist, unlike stupid Brock who just takes people down and pounds them out and finishes his fights.

not any more, but she was hot enough to make it to play boy, i never got to sleep with a former playmate. just saying, you know all his wwe buddies are jealous.

either 195 or 235/225…imo 235/225 is needed much more but there seems to be interest in 195 too…which of the 2 do ya think?

I like a cruiser weight class from 206 – 235. Not too big of a fan for 195, it will just rob fighters from a already weak 185 lb class and also take away from the lhw’s.

I say make a 220 pound weight class. 205 is so saturated with good talent, and in the HW division a lot of the fighters are to small to face Lesnar. The UFC will have no problem filling fighters for that weight class.

Lesnar was well over 265 the day of the fight and make heavy weight have a 275 limit. A 60 pound gap is a huge difference.

Mir came in at 245, and Herring was probably around 250, both over all these new proposed weight classes. Unless you invent a weight class from 265-300 then it won’t matter.

A super-heavyweight class of 235+ would make things a little more fair for the smaller HWs who can’t make 205 – but there just aren’t enough good SHW MMA fighters to make it worthwhile at this point.

Because you can’t scream and cry about Brock disrespecting opponents and the sport, but say it’s OK for Henderson to do it because Bisping is a jerk.

Scream and cry?OK he probably shouldn’t have done it but I’m telling you the more someone acts like that the more you want to beat them down and not just win.

What Jesse was saying in his article, and what I’m saying is that there is a double standard for what’s considered inexcusable behavior from Brock and what’s inexcusable for Henderson.

For one thing,everyone needs to watch the slo-mo replay.It was a punch,not an elbow.I just watched it several times.Like I said,he probably shouldn’t have thrown the punch but the fight wasn’t over yet.All the stuff Lesnar did and said was well after the fight had been stopped.Totally different circumstances.It’s also about the person.Henderson always seems like a nice guy out of the Octagon and I don’t think I’ve ever seen where Lesnar acted like a civil person except during the post fight press conference after Dana jumped his butt in the locker room.

Listen to the post-fight interview. Henderson said he knew Bisping was out and threw that extra shot just shut him up. There is absolutely no way to justify or excuse what he did.

All I have to say is if Bisping hadn’t been such an a**hole it wouldn’t have happened.Shouldn’t have happened but I know how it is to be so mad at someone because they’re an a**hole you don’t want to stop.Been there..done that.

Bump the Huerta fight too. He’s gone to act after his next fight. You didn’t really think this list through at all did you?

LOL

I never implied you weren’t saying “MMA guys haven’t done it”…….first off. I’m saying, why don’t you rag on all these other fighters who have actually been caught roiding?

This article is about Brock not them. I do not have respect for fighters that take that path.
When you are talking about Brock his size is everything. If brock weighted 245 or 250 would he be where he is right now? No. His size is what makes him anything. Not his skills right now. So if there is another MMA fighter that is in the same catagory that has done roids let me know?

I couldn’t agree more with Owen. If you look at pics of Brock from the WWE and compare to any other pic of him. You simply cannot Deny it. It’s like looking at a picture of Barry Bonds when he played with the Pirates and then look at a picture of him now.

No matter what anyone says or how many fake apologies he makes I cannot like the guy. I don’t care if people booed him for a long time. Take the high road as a CHAMPION and shake your opponents hand & don’t shoot out retarded comments out of your big gorilla mouth.

I wish there was a super heavyweight division so I could not watch him again. But sadly I want to see every other heavyweight fight.

You can take the man out of the WWE but you cant take the WWE out of the man…

That’s a good thing. Too much monotony is boring. Having a heel like Brock is an excellent change of pace. Someone that actually is the baddest man on the planet. No one in the world would ever mess with this guy in person.

Al Franken sucks d_cks

He sucks ducks? What a freakin’ weirdo. Just kidding Red Dog, glad to have another Brock fan on my side. :)

So now there are about 15 of you in total.

;)

True.. Would be an interesting matchup anyway.. I think “Cigano” would have a good chance of tagging Lesnar but I don´t know about his wrestling skills.

I was gonna Put Dos Santos in My list under Gabe Gonzaga But we havent seen his ground game yet so I was unsure. I love watchin Junior Fight , He is A beast I Definilty Think he could Knock Lesnar out .

Good one Jay! I know people hate Brock and the Tat is lame but I have even tried to see it after all these closet ____ started bringing it up and I still don’t see it.

GSP didn’t have to cheat to beat BJ, he’s way better!

Exactly. He didn’t need to bonehead.

no he didnt,but he did

Guess what Arnold never took steroids either. Neither has anyone else in the NFL. Just because a bunch of clowns in baseball can’t figure out how to cycle doesn’t mean if you test clean that your clean. And when your defense is all these pills ‘are a vitamin type of thing’ I get a bit skeptical. I take ‘vitamins’ and I can tell you what they are and they aren’t shipped to me in giant crates. Massive bones? That sounds pretty scientific.