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UFC Quick Quote: Shane Carwin has a message for Brock Lesnar

Shane Carwin

"I cannot say I was surprised by anything that night other then Brock's reaction to beating a very tough Frank Mir. Frank is a legend and a great guy who got out powered not out classed. The sponsor issue, you need to talk to your manager not the fans or Dana. The flipping off of the fans that just lined your pocket with millions of dollars is just LAME. He may be a Champion but he has a long ways to go before he earns the respect of a Champion. The fans are why we do this Brock, this sport is not about fat paychecks and drama it is about hard work and sacrifice for a shot to do what you did last night. It doesn't matter how much money you make if you can't earn your peers respect and the respect and love of the greatest sporting fans in the world. We have no scripts in this sport, no pre-determined earning amount and no pre-determined outcomes. It doesn't matter if you win or loose it matters how you win or loose.... This is the greatest sport int he world and most of the athletes in it deserve the love and respect they get and some just dont get it. From leaving the venue all the way to the Airport I have had fans of the sport ask me to take out Brock Lesnar for them. The thing is I have a very tough fight ahead of me that IMO is every bit as tough and talented as Brock ... we are at the top of the HWT division and anyone we fight moving forward is going to be a real test. Cain is nothing short of a super athlete with amazing wrestling and he trains with one of the best camps in the country. I am sure Joe Silva told Cain the same thing he told us, winner gets the title shot. Cain is not looking past me he is looking right at me as the person that is in his way from potentially one of the greatest opportunities of his life and mine. I have said what I have to say about Brock. He will make sure the world knows who he is and what he is all about. I ask that you my fans and the fans of Cain give this fight its due. You would never see two rising undefeated stars put together in Boxing so enjoy this fight. Two warriors with wills to win and the skills to do so are going to show those watching UFC 104 what the future of the sport will look like."

-- Count undefeated heavyweight prospect Shane Carwin among the many who were not very happy with UFC Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar's antics after defeating Frank Mir last night via second round technical knockout. Carwin blogged about the fiasco on his personal Web site right here. He'll likely have his opportunity to show Lesnar his version of respect if he can get past Cain Velasquez at UFC 104 on Oct. 24. Look into your crystal balls, Maniacs: With a title shot on the line, who will be the next man to try and knock off the "Next Big Thing?" Will it be Carwin or Velasquez? And will the winner truly be the future of the sport or is Lesnar here to stay?

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thats the sh*t i like to read and hear!

by billy on Jul 12, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

shut up shane carwin brock was making a statement that a company that supports the ufc wont support its fighters , people hate brock lesnar but face it , brock brings in all types of fans and kills the pay per views , you want to be a fan for the sport … brock is the typical fighter people grow to love, he isnt the guy talking shit talking what he is going to do , he says that he trains hard and gets in there and does it and doesnt like talking about it. … people have a problem with him because he has the f you additude , hate him or love him he is the man , the heavyweight champ , no matter if he is fighting sean sherk , people will buy the pay per view because of him , ragg on him all you want but the ufc has their new chuck liddell , with a little more spice, puts on a show and is a dominating force … and this quote right here is proof that guys like shane carwin are trying to make noise, talk shit before the fight and then they;ll get takken out just like frank mir did , its apart of the business but people are mad because brock shows up , does what he needs to do and then people like to boo and get mad because he is the real deal

by this guy on Jul 12, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

“that a company that supports the ufc wont support its fighters”…you know nothing about business! Carwin will get beat by Cain and the Cain beats Brock, I don’t have a problem with Brock but his fans are making it really hard for me not to dislike him.

by Robert(1) on Jul 13, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brock and his fans make it hard to like the guy. Its like he attracts the handicapped.

by Cogito Ergo Sum on Jul 13, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

WWE trailer park trash…that’s what it attracts. Millions of dollars in empty beer bottles & sold shopping carts. Woohoo!!!

by neeko on Jul 13, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin usually weighs in at about 260. Lesnar cuts to 265 and comes in to the fight at about 280 or so. Size advantage goes to Lesnar. I would say that speed advantage goes to Lesnar as well. Experience is hard to say because while Carwin has been competing longer, Lesnar has faced the stiffest competition for sure. I am not sure who has the reach advantage in this fight. Perhaps Carwin can get Brock on his back. That would be a very interesting situation. Carwin has a great camp behind him. He could very well be the answer to defeating Brock. That is if he can get past Cain.

by RyanHobbs on Jul 13, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree with Robert(1)- Brown Pride is getting hammered by Carwin, so he will not face Brock. Cain’s striking is not very good, and obviously his ability to finish a guy on the ground is awful. His best attribute is his wrestling, but can he use it against a bigger wrestler in Carwin?

by naturalshadow on Jul 14, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bravo! Screw all you Lesnar haters. Mir got what he deserved inside and outside of the octagon! He opened his big cocky mouth and Brock shut it!

by ducknow on Jul 13, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then he opened his big retarded mouth to insult mma, ufc’s biggest sponsor, fans in the arena, and his wife. Nothing like retarded juvenile behavior to make things right.

by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 13, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one is denying that. It’s how he WON the fight. That’s what people don’t like. Trash talk is one, but once the fight is over, show respect to the organization, the sponsers & fans who pay your salary & especially the fighter who stepped in the octogon against you.

by neeko on Jul 13, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

“does what he needs to do” He needed to act retarded post fight?

I am not impressed with Brock for winning against guys he outweighs by 60 lbs. Sure he moves better than other big guys and I give him credit, but from a MMA perspective, it doesn’t really excite me. As people become more legit fans, they may not flock to Brock as much as you think. And if Dana is a real fan of the sport, he will drop Brock if does this stuff again no matter what the numbers are. I would. I wouldn’t spoil the sanctity of the sport I love just to fill seats with dipshit fans.

by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 13, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then will know if Dana is for real. Let´s hope so

by ThiagO on Jul 13, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’ve just become “That Guy”…

by the_Cannibal on Jul 13, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m on board Carwin. Rather you get the job done or not, I’m a fan. Thanks for respecting the sport I love.

by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 12, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree… I love this guy already!

by neeko on Jul 13, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

You Brock haters really piss me off. How long have you been following the sport? 15 fucking minnutes. Brock is no differnt than any other fighter. He is just a little more real. He says what he wants and does what he want, there is no bullshit. Just go back and listen to all the pre fight interviews, Mir was the one running his mouth, saying how he was leaps and bounds ahead of brock in all aspects of the game. What a load of shit. Brock shut him up, and made him eat every word he said. And Brock is not a superheavy weight. You fuckers are stupid. The first fight Mir weighed in at 255, this fight 245. Brock comes in a 265, haveing to cut. Ok thats 10 to 20 pounds on weigh in day. After rehydrating Lesnar might be 280, whats that make Mir, He doesn’t rehydrate. Give me a fucking break, He’ll still only be 10 to 20 pounds different. It is really no different that Tim Sylvia who cut to make 265, didn’t hear no one bitching about his huge weight advantage. Just face that facts that Lesnar is the baddest mother fucker on the planet, and the bjj guys cant keep up whith the wrestling.

          P.S. Frank Mir is a little Bitch who needed to learn a little respect, because he had none for Brock, Maybe he does now, If he doesn’t well, he is retarded.

by woods4565 on Jul 13, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets see, ive been watchin mma since like it started. seen it all. and the only guy other than the hulk to get where he is as fast as he did was cotoure. the fans of lesner followed him to the ufc from the wwe. he is a disrespectful fighter, and he will only be able to disrespect the world off mma so long before someone really hurts him. dont you see? now fighters dont want to fight him, they want to hurt him, to really mess him up. and please dont say hes so big and strong no one can touch him. thats a load of crap. as a fan of mma, i will give him the credit of being the champ and retaining the belt, but if he keeps acting like a schoolyard bully someone is gonna hurt him so bad he will have to retire. and i think all the true mma fans will be happy to see that day, this is a sport based on respect and sportsmanship not a soap opera wrestling drama. get real.

by rob on Jul 15, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great quote.

I was at a party the other night watching the fights with a bunch of jack wipes and one dude was picking all the betting favorites and acting like he was king shit when they panned out. He went on to say that Brock would never lose…to which I said I hope Dana signs Fedor cuz he would fuck brock’s shit up. I also think Nog and Carwin have real chances against Brock. Someone needs to hand his dude a beating. I can’t decide if he’s really a dick or is just playing the heel like a wrestler so he can sell fights and make money.

by Crowls on Jul 13, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

His not a smart man. He’s emotionally immature. If you watch him behind the scenes, he just never learned to play nice with others. He doesn’t get jokes. He never seems relaxed. He has one thing he excels at. He never matured mentally.

by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 13, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

So true Punch, he reminds me of a big baby really. Regarding the fight itself, I couldn’t understand why Mir couldn’t get out of that position against the cage at the end of the fight! I know Brock had his 280 lb frame pinned up against him, but not once did you see Frank squirm to try to improve his position…was he just too over powered?

by mma_dad on Jul 14, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Understand this. We may not like Brock’s antics and we may say he is disrespectful. But good is good my friends.

Nick Diaz I don’t like and want to see him knocked out because of his bad attitude but I also watch him fight and say, “wow, this kid is good”

Same with Brock. Love him or hate him, this game has CRAZY skills. He trains super hard, he is super quick and athletic, he has super strength and he will be very tough to beat.

He is hungry and passionate, he wants this more than most people want anything in their lives.

The guy just doesn’t know how to express all his energy. His apologies were real, forgive and forget. We have all made mistakes. I lose respect for Shane Carwin because he feels he has the right to correct another fighter. Brock apologized, he probably won’t do it again so it is over. Since when is Shane the moral police?

Brock screwed up AND he is the best HW we will see in a long time. I could see Brock winning 8 in a row very easily. He trains hard enough that he is learning MMA very well. He prob will beat Fedor within 18 months. I know all the die hards believe in SKILL SKILL SKILL, but all Frank Mir’s skills and techniques weren’t displayed ONCE.

I can’t wait for the lines to open in vegas for Fedor Brock because it will prob be Brock -200 Fedor +180

by Bennie Blanco on Jul 13, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s his second time making the mistake. And he made the mistake in a much more disgusting manner the second time. So no forgive and forget. Sorry, as a man, you don’t get fuck up on a world stage, apologize, then do it worse.

And Carwin has every right to correct him. Carwin has dedicated his life to the sport including the respect and honor inherent in MMA. Then a giant douche takes center stage to shit all over it. When I fought, we’d have guys come in and train with a us a few months and then get drunk and tell people in bars they were a cage fighter and act like delinquents. We cut that shit off quick because it reflected poorly on us and discredited something we respected and wanted others to respect.

I should note, I have never argued against Brock’s skill. In fact, I spent a lot of time on here arguing with people that he was a real force from day 1.

by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 13, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree that he “is the best HW we will see in a long time”. A big part of that victory was size/strength related. He has legit wrestling skills but I’m not about to claim he’s even near the top ten HW’s as far as skill is concerned. He’s bigger than everyone else with one skill at an elite level. That’s enough against most opponents. It’s also why most ppl won’t root for him. If he was 235 and walking all over everyone he’d get props. No one wants to root for the bigger guy. It’s alot more fun to pull for the underdog.

by Crowls on Jul 13, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ther’s a difference between Nick Diaz and Lesnar.Nick will shake hands after the fight and Lesnar is just a jerk after the fight.Even though he did what he needed to do in the fight,once the fight is over there’s no need for his antics.

by fghtfn on Jul 13, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, moron, the line on Bodog at the moment should the fight happen before 2010 is Fedor -240 Brock +190. Fedor will find a way to win should this fight take place because of his intelligence and preparation. He always finds a way to win and has a proven track record, which is what the bookies look at, more so than an oversized, overhyped goon with a couple of wins under his belt. Don’t get me wrong, Brock will pose some interesting challenges to Fedor, but in the end the intelligent choice is Fedor. I see the fight going very similarly to Fedor vs Coleman 1&2: Fedor feeds Brock some fists, gets taken down, then submits him from the bottom via armbar, likely within the first round. Fedor is exceptionally good on his back and easily submits bigger, stronger opponents. Don’t let Mir’s loss fool you into thinking Lesnar is unstoppable. I would love to see the fight happen but I think all the Brock lovers will be severely disappointed at the outcome.

by Damian on Aug 2, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck yeah!!! Either Shane Carwin or Cain Velasquez

Either fighter will take Lesnar out

by Calculon64 on Jul 13, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dislike Brock too, mainly for making mmma a joke after years of trying to get people to take it seriously. But he’s improving rapidly and what I saw on saturday night was almost unbeatable. He has the wrestling skills and the size to take anyone down at will. He needs no space to generate immense power on the ground. He knocked a 230 pound man out without getting into a full mount or generating any tork from his lower body.

cain can beat him but I doubt it. Brock is too big, brock is fighting at 280- 285 and is a better wrestler and much stronger. carwin only wins if he lands a lucky punch.
Maybe gonzaga has a chance cause he’s 20 pounds heavier than Mir and his bjj is just as good.

Bobby Lashley? He’s the one guy who wouldn’t be outpowered.

by pug on Jul 13, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

lashley is ajoke he could not finish a 2nd rate fighter jason guida.carwin would have better chance than cain.carwin has one punch knock out power,and awrestling background,cain is pretty much just a wrestler.

by rod on Jul 14, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why? Cause Carwin hasnt acted like a tool? Those fans Carwin is talking about have shown nothing but disrespect for Brock since he got to the UFC. Instead of waiting to see how he would do, those fans/media booed and talked sh*t. So I would do the same, you give respect to get respect right?

Carwin is talking about “hard work, sacrifice” Brock’s has shown that already. Anybody who cant see that is blind IMO. Carwin also talks about big checks. Well whats the point in putting in the “hard work and sacrifice” if its not gonna make you more money?

Dont get me wrong I like Carwin as a fighter. But he sounds like he wants to play the role of the good guy vs the bad guy.

by JV on Jul 13, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

man the whole crowd was boo’n him and chanting “stand them up” when mean while the fight before it gsp was doing the same thing with less damage and all they could do was cheer cuz it was gsp

by JG on Jul 13, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats true JG. Everybody keeps saying Brock needs to show people respect. But “people” are not showing him any respect! What other fighter has done what Brock has in 5 fights? The man deserves respect as an MMA fighter.

by JV on Jul 13, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uhh there was a big difference between Brock being on top and GSP being on top. GSP was active the whole time passing guard ect. Brock used no technique just stay in the same position and hold him with a one arm (would not work if it wasnt for his brute strength) and did not make any attemp to improve his position. Brock is terrible for the sport and shouldn’t be allowed in the same division. They need to drop the weight limit down to 240 because 60 pounds is way too big of gap if were gonna start getting people cutting weight to make 265. Been one of the problems with the HW division for a while actually just look at when Sylvia was dominating although I would say Sylvia has a hell of a lot more skill then Brock but none the less beet a ton of guys with more skill because he was 7 feet tall. MMA is about seing who the best skilled athletes are not how much weight you can cut so that you can fight a guy 60 pounds lighter than you and sit on him till he passes out.

by GSP4Prez on Jul 13, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He deserves 0 respect. Shouldn’t be allowed in the same division. Who wants to see some guy beat up people just because he’s got 60 pounds of muscle on everyone he’s fighting. I mean if GSP moved up to HW and got whooped by some middle of the line HW would you be super impressed for the HW fighter? I think not. Yet that is really no different than watching Mir or anyone else in the HW division lose to Brock. Please drop the HW division down to 240 so if you are legitametley 265 you could still cut and make it but no 300 pounders like Brock would get in the same division.

by GSP4Prez on Jul 13, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The weight limit is what it is, like it or not! If Brock can make it, then why be mad at that? If your a HW that is giving up “60lbs” as you say, that fighter should be looking to get to LHW. The GSP thing going to HW was kinda dumb. Your talking about jumping 3 weight classes.

by JV on Jul 13, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree JV. Maybe instead of laughing at his buddy in padding giving a Brock impersonation, Mir should have focused on how to stop the takedown and spent more time training. Who’s the one laughing now Mir? The fans have been wanting Brock to fail before he even stepped into the octagon, so F’ em.

by kitsunex on Jul 13, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

brock is perfect as it is. the power he has is amazing, he is the only one right now that can take a guy down an beat the s**t out of him. no matter what.

by shamo84 on Jul 13, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

well i dont really care if he is trying to play good guy here

i would rather have a good guy as the champ rather than some ego-maniac, sore losing gorilla that is fighting people that are too small for him

he has no respect and any fans he did have he lost by flipping them off

his achievements aren’t all that great as every 1 makes out… he has the HW title in just a short amount of time but that is because he is just so much bigger than his opponents

the weight class is ridiculous and needs cutting down to about 240 and there also needs to be a SHW division but unfortunitely there is no good talent at that weight

by ufcaddict on Jul 13, 2009 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

ufcaddict, “ego maniac” Well then Brock is no different than Nick Diaz, BJ Penn, Frank/Ken Shamrock, Rampage, Josh Barnett, ect. ect.! Are you a fan of any one of those guys? You may not be a fan but to say “his achievements aren’t all that great” is CRAZY! Carwin has 11 fights with only Gonzaga as a credible opponent. While Mir, Herring, and Couture would destroy anyone on Carwins resume. Brock destroyed them as a greenhorn in MMA.

by JV on Jul 13, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

herring is a gate keeper while mir and especially couture where considerably lighter than lesnar

at least carwin has won against someone credible that is his own size, brock hasn’t done that yet so i wont give him credit for any wins until he beats someone good who is his own size because at the moment i think he is winning because of his size

and all but 1 of them people on your list i dislike or hate so no there is not much difference between them, the only difference they have between brock is the fact that they dont disrespect there fans like he does

by ufcaddict on Jul 13, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

ufcaddict, WHAT? Remember Nick Diaz after the fight got stopped with Noons? Nick flipped everybody off! Then after KJ’s win over Edwards, Nick comes in and disrespected KJ’s dad. Then the Diaz’s brothers start flipping off the crowd. And the size thing is not a legit argument. Couture dominated Gonzaga right? Isnt Gonzaga bigger than Couture? Herring is just as big as Gonzaga right? And Carwin is almost as big as Brock aint he? So by your logic, Carwin is winning just because of his size too right?

by JV on Jul 13, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

People who dont this Brocks size is the reason he is winning need to re-think everything. I 100% agree that the HW class needs to be rethought. you have a 6 weight class differece in one class (205-265). thats too big of a gap, its literally like putting a 155’er in with a heavyweight. people who disagree with that seem like the same people who talk about when the ufc was good and had no rules or weight classes. i want competitive fights and a 60lbs difference is just too much.

by What? on Jul 13, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

gonzaga weighs in at around 240-250 without cutting weight

carwin weighs in at about 250-260 without cutting weight, they are roughly the same size!

herring weighs in at about 240-245 with out cutting weight

brock weighs in at 265 and on fight night is about 280

when brock fought herring that is about a 40lb difference

couture weighs in at about 225 so when he fought gonzaga there was about 15-25lb difference that is no where near the lesnar/herring fight

when brock fought randy that was a massive 55lbs difference now the weight difference there has already decided the fight!

so there it is lesnar wins by size, carwin is not the same size as brock :S ???? i dont know where you have got that from! and when carwin thought gonzaga there was no where near as much difference as when brock thought herring who is the biggest opponent (between him and mir) brock has faced yet and there was about a 40lb difference

by ufcaddict on Jul 13, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

ufcaddict your not making sense…how is it Brock’s fault that he has size? And if he is winning by it so what….that’s like saying GSP is wnning because he is so fast and intill he fights someone with his speed his wins don’t count….makes no sense does it…

by Robert(1) on Jul 13, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

GSP doesnt win because of his speed though! he wins because of his great all around game that he has…. brock wins because of his size! i’m not saying he can do anything about that but when people give him credit for beating randy couture who weighes about 225lb fight night and brock weighs 280, that is a massive 55lb difference thats like putting a LW against a LHW

would you be impressed if shogun at 205 beat a 155lb bj penn? no you wouldnt so why are people impressed when brock beats randy? its basically the same weight difference if not more

by ufcaddict on Jul 13, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

ufcaddict, Sherdog has Carwin at 6’4" 255lbs. And they have Brock at 6’2" 265lbs. Ofcourse we all know Brock rehydrates back to around 275/80. Also Carwins hands are bigger than Brocks, remember Brocks gloves are 3xl and Carwin is 4xl So again, Carwin is almost as big as Brock. So his wins have only been because of size?

by JV on Jul 13, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

no he is not almost as big as brock carwin weighed about 5lb’s more than gonzaga and even if he does come in at 255lb like you said you have to remember that he weighs that without cutting

so on fight night carwin will weigh roughly about 257-260 while brock will be at 280, that is 20lbs difference

that is like a full weight class difference! it is still a lot

carwin is probably he closest to brocks weight in the division but he is definitely not almost bigger than brock

he is 20lb’s off being bigger

also just because he has got bigger hands doesnt make him bigger :S

you are just not getting it

your claiming carwin wins his opponents by his size just like brock but he only came in 2lb heavier than gonzaga in there fight!

that was carwin’s biggest opponent and he proved he could win

brocks biggest opponent was 40lb lighter than him so he hasn’t proved his worth yet

like i said before does shogun deserve to be LHW champ if he beats bj penn?? because it is about the same weight difference between brock and randy, actually it’s more, like i’ve said before there is nothing he can do if his opponents are smaller than him but when people give him credit for wins like that i think it’s crazy

by ufcaddict on Jul 13, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brock is 4XL.

by jay on Jul 13, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry meant 2lb’s at the beginning

by ufcaddict on Jul 13, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the heavyweight class, it is what is….if they allowed Brock to come in at 280 than you have something, but he is playing by the rules, that’s like saying fighters who cut more than 15 pounds shouldn’t get respect…..

by Robert(1) on Jul 13, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont respect him because i dont like his attitude and i dont think its fair to give him credit for wins over significantly smaller people

it is good that he makes weight but why do people big him up because he has the HW title when he is so much larger than the rest

by ufcaddict on Jul 13, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin seems like a real primma donna here. Tryin 2 b a good guy

by Dingo on Jul 13, 2009 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dingo, “primma donna” is exactly what he sounds like! All I hear is “hey fans look at me, Im big and strong. Ill be your hero against the evil man”

by JV on Jul 13, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

carwin shouldn’t have opened his mouth, now brock has more incentive to stomp the piss out of him when they fight. when will fighters learn to let a sleeping dog lie?! mir got what he had coming. i don’t have a problem at all with a fighter taking on an angry disrespectful attitude. Ur opponent across the cage from u is wanting to make a highlight reel out of u, why should u wanna be all lovey duby with him and shake his hand b4 the fight and b4 every round and give him a big ol’ hug afterwards. Bad Intentions will carry a guy a long way in this sport

by deuce 4 on Jul 13, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great comment. Very refreshing after seeing Lesnar act like and idiot. Lesnar is a beast. He’s strong and fast and learning more every day. But I will not buy another ppv he’s on. There’s too many other great fighters out there for me to be wasting my hard earned cash on him.

by Kdog on Jul 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin, if he doesn’t gas, pounds Cain into dust. If and when he gets to Brock, Brock keeps him on the outside before taking him down and GnPing his face into dust.

by rockwell on Jul 12, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

What does Carwin have to say about Mirs comments? Mirs comments are OK because he`s a legend. I liked Carwin but I`m thinking now he`s a douche bag. Like really to call out Brock for what he said and not say anything about Mir is ignorant and unprofessional. I know he`s already trying to do what Mir did and get inside brocks incase he gets a shot if wins his next fight.

by Beaver on Jul 12, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What were Mir’s comment?

by DSmith on Jul 12, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you not watch the countdown or any of the stories before the fight? In a nut shell he pretty much said Brock is an idiot who doesn’t have the brains to become a well rounded MMA fighter and his superior IQ would be the difference in the fight. Pretty much every intervies before he had something negative to say about Brock.

by Beaver on Jul 12, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does it matter what Mir’s comments were? What Carwin was referring to was disrespect of the fans, which has ZERO to do with the petty BS between Lesnar and Mir. Bad blood between fighters is a regular part of the game, but flipping off fans will always be idiotic.

by CL on Jul 12, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mir talked trash about Brock constantly up until this fight had happened. Brock acted unprofessional but he apologized and admitted his faults. He got all amped up based on avenging his loss and beating the trash talker in Mir. Notice how when he beat Couture, he was 100% classy and professional. With Mir and Herring, they talked trash so he got emotional. It happens. He didn’t plan it whereas Mir and Herring tried to do so to get in his head.

by RyanHobbs on Jul 13, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think brock probably felt a little unsatisfied. i think he wanted a good, tough fight, and all mir did was bitch-up and go belly down on the canvas. if a guy who has talked tons of shit, claiming i’m nowhere near his level, n got my blood boiling for a fight, and then bellied up bitched out, i’d be pretty pissed and disrespectful too!!! Mir deserved NO respect, so he got NO respect. maybe brock taught frank a lesson that evidently frank’s parents never did, and that’s to be respectful and watch ur mouth

by deuce 4 on Jul 13, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin is referring to the POST-FIGHT comments, not all the trash talk before the fight.

by Ertz on Jul 12, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t even think the pre-fight stuff was that bad to be honest.

by DSmith on Jul 12, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You expect a certain amount of the pre-fight stuff. It’s the post-fight shit that pissed everyone off.

by Jeremyjackson on Jul 12, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats the difference between pre fight and post fight the fact remains you still said it. Mir pretty much said Brock didn’t deserve to be were he was and was not smart enough to beat him Brock took everything Mir said to heart and after the fight made sure Mir was accountable for what he said about him. Carwin clearly wants brock sooner than later and I fight I would love to see. I would of had a hard time picking a fighter to cheer for but now after Carwins comments I would like to see Brock pound his face in too.

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i liked brock til this fight, now he reminds me of tito fucking ortiz and is classified as a douchebag

carwin buddy slow your role because gabe gonzaga was whoopin that ass til you landed one shot, brock wont go down like that and will hold this title until a legit badass steps up and it wont happen.. have fun with a gsp style run out of brock

for the record i now hate brock lesnar as much as fedor, nearly as much as tito ortiz,and kimbo slice

by randy murders on Jul 13, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is that pre-fight trash talk helps sell the fight. Laughing in the face of a guy you just smashed is a different level, and it left a bad taste in the mouths of purist MMA fans. One thing’s for sure though, people are going to tune in to watch Brock fight – even if most of them are hoping to see him defeated.

by Jeremyjackson on Jul 13, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you think Lesnar is a seasoned mixed martial artist who should have gotten a title shot after his 3rd mma fight? He got his shot for financial reasons over guys who have been working at for years. It’s a part of the game and water under the bridge but Mir didn’t say anything wrong. That’s usual pre-fight fodder. It’s being reported that with salary and sponsors that he got paid somewhere around $3 mil last night and for that he literally and figuratively flips off everyone responsible for it. If you don’t understand what’s wrong with that I can’t help you.

by DSmith on Jul 13, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You need to be accountable for what you say the BS about help selling the fight is no excuse Mir humiliated Brock before the fight and it clearly wasn`t smack talk to sell tickets otherwise Brock would not of taken offense to what Mir said like he did. You need to be accountable for what you say and I`m glad Brock made Mir eat his words maybe nest time Mir will choose his word more carefully and show as much respect to Brock as he did NOG.

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

All of Mir’s smack talk was post fight too, have you forgotten they already fought. Mir referenced his win over and over and over again – how is that not getting in Brocks grill about beating him too.
JJ you have double standards for guys you like or dislike. The bad taste in your mouth and the other “hardcore” “purist” fans mouths is from the BS you all talk and from Fedors sweaty nut sack. Go gargle some Bud Lite.

by paniczoo on Jul 13, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

At UFC 87, in the final seconds of the fight, Brock tried to ride Herring like a pony, waving his hand in the air like a rodeo rider or something and when the siren sounded and he knew he won, in a perfect display of being a jerk, he pointed at Herring and laughed in his face.

After beating Mir he yelled in his face too, finishing him off with a verbal barrage among other antics.

I’ve never been anti-Brock or wanted to see him lose because he didn’t deserve a title shot but he hasn’t displayed much class in victory or defeat. He admitted he’s a sore loser but he’s also proven to be an ungracious winner. He doesn’t do much to show he’s a nice guy and I suppose he doesn’t have to. He’s just being himself, which is to say, he’s a jerk.

by Kobajack on Jul 13, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Paniczoo – what the hell are you talking about. I have been very consistent in my criticism of classless behavior by any fighter. Offer one example of this ‘double standard’ or get back to saving up weekend meth money at the car wash you work at.

by Jeremyjackson on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The example of your double standards is in the post you just replied to. You get pretty upset when your contradictions are pointed out but at least you tried to write a humorous response.

by paniczoo on Jul 13, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve found JJ to be neutral in his posts and he says it how he sees it. Contradicting your opinion is different to contradicting himself.

Criticizing Brock’s behavior and not Mir’s is hardly a contradiction. Yeah, Mir’s talk was overconfident drivel but he’s never particularly ungracious. Brock was bitter in victory and defeat.

The manic way in which he handled it, and how he has before, warrants criticism. I have no problem with people who don’t think it’s too big of an issue, but either way, that behavior is going to draw a negative reaction.

by Kobajack on Jul 14, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

“It’s the post-fight shit that pissed everyone off.” JJ

Mir rubbed his win in Brocks face big-time, that is post fight shit, but he wasn’t pissed of at Mir. That is a contradiction and a double standard. Right there, you see it? Do I have to draw a diagram and buy you dictionary?

by paniczoo on Jul 14, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think there was a HUGE difference in their post-fight behavior. Hardly a contradiction.

But please, by all means, draw a diagram, I’d be interested in seeing it :D

by Kobajack on Jul 14, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of contradictions and double standards:

“You get pretty upset when your contradictions are pointed out.”

If I didn’t point it out in my last post, I just did in this one. But all is forgiven :)

by Kobajack on Jul 14, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

legend my azz…what a bunch of freakshows…

by gaara on Jul 13, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mir doesn’t disrespect the sport. Mir never said anything bad about the sport. Carwin never said anything about Brock’s trash talk about Mir. It was him talking about not giving respect to the people in the sport, the fans who pay his bills & the sponsers who also contribute to his salary. Think what you want but don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

by neeko on Jul 13, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin is the only chance of beating brock, cain is overrated yeah he man handled congo , but congo rocked him with every punch he did hit, cain will not out wrestle or man handle brock like he did congo Carwins only hope is a knock out and i personally don’t see that happening

by TheDragon on Jul 12, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said Mr. Carwin. I think Cain is in real trouble here.

by DSmith on Jul 12, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Carwin is much more powerful than Kongo and I don’t think he’ll be as easily controlled on the ground as Kongo was.

by DSmith on Jul 12, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn`t Carwin learn from Mir`s mistake? Don`t piss off Brock before you fight it will only make things worse for yourself.

by Beaver on Jul 12, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just thinking the same thing – haha.

by JTK5 on Jul 12, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mir’s mistake was to let Brock catch his wrist and allow himself to get pinned, nothing else.

by DSmith on Jul 12, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if he didn’t get his wrist he would be able to still keep Mir down it would of just took longer for Brock to GnP but the result would of been the same.

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…because he’s like 60lbs heavier than Mir (it’s kind of like BJ fighting Marquardt), that’s why the pinning part is such a mistake.

by DSmith on Jul 13, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

First of he was about 285 were Mir was 245 a difference of I would say 15% as BJ would be 160 fighting a 205 pounder a difference of around 30%? A better comparison is GSP vs BJ.

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What? The difference between 40lbs and 45lbs is 15%? I’ll respectfully say- no f’ing way and my Marquardt analogy stills stands.

by DSmith on Jul 13, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

being 15% heavier than 245 is 281.75 what Brock weight during a fight. 15% heavier than 160 is 184 about what GSP weight during a fight. It’s simple math DSmith 160 X 1.15 and 245 × 1.15. To make it easy 15% of 100 is 115 a difference of 15. 15% of 200 is 230 a difference of 30. You can so no F*ing way but I`m sorry to say its a fact.

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

DSMith seems like hes a bit slow ….

by Dingo on Jul 13, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

You literally schooled DSmith there. Lolz
Awwwww its not fair – Brocks too big and strong, hes a bully ~ haahaahah that sounds so pathetic.
Lolllololz mummy mummy – the big boy beat up my friend boohoohohoh

HAHHAAHAH Dry your eeeyyyeezz

by paniczoo on Jul 13, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree w/D Smith. You’ve got a 290 poung guy lying on top of you…then what?

by neeko on Jul 13, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lmao! Yeah I really got schooled. If you do a calculation using different figures you get different anwsers. Get as fancy as you want and call me what you want but a 40lbs difference is a 40lbs difference. The 40lbs between 160-200 is heavier or greater that the 40lbs between 240-280lbs? GTFO!

paniczoo- It’s not pathetic. This isn’t the ‘dark ages’ of mma. There are weight classes for a reason. The UFC should really consider a 235 weight class.

by DSmith on Jul 13, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is pathetic because nobody complained about the big guys who cut weight for years, because they were slow and had no cardio. I bought the 1st ufc right when it came out on vhs and was blown away, once a year we should have an open weight tournament to remind all the little guys of their true standing as a fighter. See im biased because i am around the 300lb mark and 6’4 and the sad fact for all the little guys is that size and power are huge factors in who wins a fight, speed and technique are great but unless you are an elite fighter like machida, royce gracie, or chuck norris you will get hammered by a bigger man nearly every time. That is the reality of life. You maybe dont realise that Mir is a huge powerful guy who could have built himself up to 285 if he chose to. He doesnt because it effects cardio, speed for striking, flexibility for bjj and strains joints and ligaments so can lead to injuries. Its Mirs choice of style that keeps him at the lower weight and Brock has the pros of being huge but the cons that come with it too. It means Brock has to train harder to keep his cardio in order, is less flexible so can get subbed easier, finds it harder to defend subs and is never likely to throw a head kick and is a little slower with his stikes so can get beaten to the punch. Its two opposing styles that make a fascinating fight and we’ve seen before in so many fights and in their 1st fight that Mir can use his advantages to beat huge guys. This time size and strength won so no need to cry about it. Theres always next time.

by paniczoo on Jul 14, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mir’s mistake was getting into the octagon a second time with Brock.

by ducknow on Jul 13, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

i understand steve here, but he sounded alil cheesy

by MMA Wallpapers SF on Jul 12, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

He must be Shane’s evil twin huh?

by Merlin on Jul 13, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

im sorry but the UFC doesn’t have the “greatest sporting fans” in the world. probably the worst.

a bunch of fair weather fans. love you one day hate you the next

by Jesse on Jul 12, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Your only as good as your last performance. What did we go to college together? I can’t change my mind. A fighter, or a team isn’t my brother. Yea, I still like Bonner, but sh*t – not going to be sporting his t-shirt… he’s fallen off! His problem, not mine.

by JTK5 on Jul 12, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

people need 2 lighten up with all this Brock stuff .. at least the guy has a personality regardless if its good or bad .. Mir has been an ass leading all the way up 2 this thing . anyone who thinks that Brock yelling at Mir and sticking up his fingers at the crowd is outrageous or shocking need 2 tuck back there clitoris

by yuk dog on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 big time

by salmonBum on Jul 13, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL love that last part!

by KingKong on Jul 13, 2009 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to 104
Ready to buy ticket

Machida vs shogun
Cain vs carwin

So far so good

by phenomenal angel on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

some people do compete to win and fight to fight he makes the assumption that everyone is like him

by Jimbob on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

he sounds like a pretty down to earth guy.

i think he, gonzaga, AA, and barnett are the only guys that have a prayer against bruce lesnar.

be rooting for carwin against cain because i dont think cain could hang as well with bruce.

by shadfu on Jul 12, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Arlovski? He can’t stop a takedown ever, he’d get creamed. Maybe Barnett, but def. not AA.

by Ertz on Jul 12, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say AA’s latest ko loses would keep off that list as well.

by DSmith on Jul 12, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gonzaga-no chance, AA-even less of a chance (not in UFC), Barnett-maybe a snowball’s chance but probably not (also not in UFC). All of these guys would lose to Brock and his evil twin Bruce.

by Merlin on Jul 13, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

lmao best fans my arse!!! 90 per cent of them were wishing serious injury on Bisping because he “trash talked”

by Tony on Jul 12, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

as god like as fedor has been, bruce would beat him the exact same way he beat mir.

by shadfu on Jul 12, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Brock and his evil twin Bruce could have a tag team table match against Cain and Carwin at UFC 108.

by Merlin on Jul 13, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t carwin train at the same gym as brock in Min. i could of sworn i heard they have the same trainer and sherk trains there too. I could be wrong correct me if i am. As far as Shogun machida if shogun comes with a full tank of gas I think he has a great chance of winning that fight.Shogun is a good fighter it all depends how focused he is on the fight if he half asses it he’ll get ko’ed.Carwin over Cain as well for that one.

by noobsaibot on Jul 12, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Carwin trains at Greg Jackson’s spot noob.

Sherk does have the trainer as Brock though to my knowledge.

by WB on Jul 13, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is Bruce?

by CH CH CHUUUCCKKK on Jul 12, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

You don’t know? He’s Brock’s evil twin.

by Merlin on Jul 13, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s Bruce Lee’s giant corn-fed caucasian cousin.

by paniczoo on Jul 13, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Lesnar… DUDE is funny….. LOL… and he takes the pre fight hype personnal which is good becuase we all know the hype is real and not made up with brock. Brock still wins in my opinon. I dont see him losing for a while…

by Texasboy on Jul 12, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

yea im with this guy…i really like Lesnar…aside from the middle fingers to the crowd which i thought was just a real dick move on his part, nothing in the post fight bothers me…im a huge Matt Serra fan as well but when he hugged Hughes after the last fight i thought that was so cheesy…they talked so much shit on each other and then all of a sudden the fights over and it goes away?…no way thats not real life im fine with Brock getting in Mirs face after the fight…and the coors light and banging his wife speech was funny as hell

by magicmike on Jul 13, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shane certainly talks the good talk, doesn’t he? He says all the self-righteous/UFC-Fans-Are-the-Greatest Good-guy crap that Brock haters want to hear…..yet he is more of a FAKE than the WWE with his comments.

Especially when he put the words “Legend” and “Frank Mir” in the same sentence….

by gwo on Jul 13, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Lesnar too, I would be pissed too after just beating Mir to a bloody pulp and becoming the undisputed UFC Hvwt Champ only to get booed by the crowd. lol Its not like he really hates all the fans. He was just saying whatever “f off” if you don’t like me, Im here to stay. Now the Heavyweight division is exciting again and look at all the great potential title defenses that will be coming up. Carwin Lesnar will be awesome if he beats Valezquez.

by Rod of Asclepius on Jul 13, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Cain’s chin isn’t suspect anymore(watch Kongo-Cain Fight).

Imagine when Carwin lands those heavy fists of his on Cain’s chin, its game over and if not, then Carwin will juss GnP out Cain!

by ndnmma on Jul 13, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Both guys are tough SOB’s I wouldn’t be suprised to see Cain on top giving Carwin some GnP but if Carwin gets a chance his fist are way more lethal and effective than Cains.

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Acutally i am worried about Carwins TD. He was easily taken down by GG, but Carwin maintained hes composure and slipped out and stood up to take the fight with one shot. Punchers chance i guess?

Regardless i think Cain is going to sleep or a TKO/Ref stoppage.

by ndnmma on Jul 13, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

lesnar is an idiot. he literally sems to stupid to realize hes not in the wwe anymore. the mma world to an extent doesnt thrive on antics that brock seems to find necessary to utilize especially with post fight antics. the talent sells itself. i respect what hes done in a short time, but he takes it too far after the fights. the bad blood with mir is one thing, but to flip off the fans and attack the ufc sponsorship is just plain stupid. i know he recounted his comments later on, but it shouldnt come to him having to do that in the first place. if he wasnt such a cash machine for dana he would be out on his ass right now. however, the botom line is he knows he can get away with it and he doesnt seem to concerned with anything but himself and sables fake boobs. i suppose no publicity is bad publicity, and brocks definitely got people talking,unfortunately.

by tank on Jul 13, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Shane carwin has the best chance to beat lesnar. He has had 4 fights for a total of 5 mins in the octagon. Now thats is power. Anyone who can knock a guy out with a jab has a great shot at beating lesnar.

by desperus on Jul 13, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

A good chance at beating anyone for that matter if he connects. The question is when Carwin is on his back against a bigger and stronger fighter will he be able to keep it standing and will he be able to get off the ground. The Cain fight might be a good measuring stick because Cain has pretty close wretling skills and I’m sure were Cain wants the fight to go. Only time will tell but one thing is for sure Carwin has not faced the calibure of fighters Brock has and his comments that him and cain or the future are as cocky as anything Brock or Mir have said.

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carwin won’t let Cain get on top and if he does he will throw him off like he did with gonzaga carwin is another monster on a leash waiting to get away and kill someone and cain is in his way but i think lesnar will beat him but it will be a great fight either way

by Kingkong on Jul 13, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Shane Carwin, but he’s being a little too obvious with his pandering to the “fans.” I don’t pay for fights and expect the fighters to show me respect. I pay for fights because I expect good fights! Whether a fighter says nice things to me or his/her opponent should be of no interest except between the fighters and management.

But whatever.

by Collin on Jul 13, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugg I can’t believe some people actually like what Carwin said. I lost a bit of respect for the guy. Who’s he to say how Lesner/other fighters should behave. And what did Lesnar do that’s so wrong…flipping the bird to the crowd…big deal. It ain’t a wedding ceremony we’re watching. It’s way more interesting with some bad asses around.

BTW, it was Mir that jumped up after getting knocked out and tried to bum rush Lesnar. Check the tape, Herb Dean had to bust his ass to hold Mir back. Lesnar was surprised to see Mir trying to get at him and all he did was turn around and say "do all the trash talking you want". Now he’s getting criticized and made to apologize for being rude. Just dumb!

by H.I.McDunnough on Jul 13, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Why do I get a sense that Carwin is all BS and trying to play the good guy to appeal to the fans?

by Tony on Jul 13, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

carwin vs lesnar is a great fight – 50/50 in my opinion but no1 else except fedor could take out brock so carwin has the hard task ahead.

by markg on Jul 13, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Both Brock and Carwin are dangerous to any HW. They both can KO any HW if they connect Carwin I would say the better striker but Brock is better on the ground I would say the man with the better defence will win. Carwin will have his first real challenge against Cain and is a little to cocky in saying they are the future and as of yet not beating any top fighter?

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

One fact is Brock has faced better fighters than Carwin and is looking better each fight. Carwin has the KO power to put Brock to sleep for sure but if Brocks defence against striking keeps improving does Carwin having anything else to defeat him with, can he compete on the ground against Brock, what fighter has he faced that are even close to Brocks size? But then again Brock hasn`t faced a man with the punching power of a Carwin either and a fight I think we would like to see if Carwin gets past his toughest opponent Cain.

by Beaver on Jul 13, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im sure Frank’s striking is more crisp than Carwins. But if Carwin can let atleast one go, is may be sleepy time for Brock.

Brock, after taking a shot, didn’t want to stand and trade with Frank. Probably cause Brock juss wanted to Pound out Frank, but still, Carwin needs one shot to put anyone down. Besides Fedor, i think Carwin is the man to beat Lesnar?

by ndnmma on Jul 13, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take either Cain or Shane against the Roider.

by xxBAxx816 on Jul 13, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions  

God i cannot wait till he KO’s Cain then KO’s Lesnar hopefully its a real brutal KO too!

by Khaos_Warrior on Jul 13, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Lesnar will destroy Carwin. I hate his little suck up talk to all the fans here… shut up, lesnar will eat you.

by Mike on Jul 13, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Carwin has a chance at beating Lesnar with his knock out power — but so does Lesnar. I think the difference in the fight would be Brock’s wrestling ability edging out Carwin’s. I also don’t think Carwin would be able to handle Brock’s GnP. And judging by the Gonzaga fight, I think he would crack under the pressure and Brock would take advantage.

As far as the Velascuez fight, I think Carwin has the advantage based on his wrestling and power…but Cain is a beast. Though judging from the Congo fight his chin is definitely suspect and he also doesn’t really seem to inflict much damage with his strikes whereas Brock and Shane do.
Just look at all of Cain’s fights, he has to hit his opponent like a hundred times but it doesn’t really make a difference.

As far as Brock’s antics all I can say is the dude was fired up. Mir talked ALOOOOT of shit and I guess it bothered Lesnar. If you look at his previous fight with Randy he was very respectful. In the Herring fight, same thing, Herring showed no respect and Brock made him eat his words. Brock did apologize at the press conference so I’m over it.

by MMA Fanatic on Jul 13, 2009 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Brock would get smashed by Carwin. Besides training at one of the best camps in MMA (Greg Jackson’s) Carwin has earned his title shot. You can’t say the same about Brock. However I do give him credit because he’s getting better but he needs to be tested and I think Carwin is the perfect candidate.

Brock loses to Mir but beats Herring and gets his title shot after being 1 and 1 against Couture who gave up 45lbs. Now he beats Mir and says he gave Mir the 1rst fight, and that he got lucky. No such thing as luck when a guy gets you in a knee bar. That’s all technique buddy!!

Shane Carwin has won 3 straight by KO and TKO including a KO victory over Gonzaga who hit him twice and broke his nose and he still came back. Now he still has to face Cain before he gets his title shot. Now that’s respect well deserved.

Shane Carwin is physically almost the same size as Brock. He’s 6"4 255lbs and has bigger lunch box hands than Brock!! We know for sure Carwin has 1 hit KO power but does Brock? He can hit hard but it takes a couple of shits and I don’t believe Brock can hold Carwin down like he did Mir.

WAR CARWIN!!!

by Skelow on Jul 13, 2009 2:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm…let’s see.

Shane Carwin is 3-0 in the UFC. Impressive, but two of his wins are over complete cans. Christian Wellisch – no longer in UFC. Neil Wain – no longer in UFC

Yes, he beat Gonzaga but let’s be honest, what has “Napao” done since the head-kick to Cro-Cop? He lost to Couture, lost to Werdum (no longer in the UFC) and has beaten Justin McCully and Josh Hendricks who is also no longer in the UFC.

Lesnar on the other hand is 3-1 and has faced stiff competition from the very beginning – Mir, Herring and Couture. I believe he should be 4-0 because when was the last time you saw a ref stand up a fighter who was pummeling his opponent and winning the fight and NOT given a warning for strikes to the back of the head? (which btw, Mir turned his head and was in the fetal position) I’ll answer – it’s never happened.

You may WANT Carwin to win, but it aint gonna happen. Again Brock’s wrestling will be the main factor. Carwin looked VERY sloppy against Gonzaga with his wrestling and also looked nervous and didn’t seem confident.

by MMA Fanatic on Jul 13, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to admit I was puzzled by Lesnar getting a title shot so quickly, but if he didn’t deserve it he wouldn’t have won. All the guy can do is take the fights given to him, and if he wins we can’t fault him for it.

by Chris on Jul 13, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Carwin AND Velasquez, they are both fucking hardened warriors to their very core, born to fight. Whoever wins between them, I hope to hell they smack that shit eating smug grin off Cockchest Lesnars face and send that oversized fucking behemoth of a man back down to Minessota without the belt.

WAR Carwin!
WAR Velasquez!

DOWN Lesnar!

by mojo on Jul 13, 2009 3:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Why are people saying Brock hasn’t been tested? Do you mean tested by someone at his own 285ish pounds? Since when did fighting Couture, Mir and Herring not a test for someone? So if Brock beats Carwin and Cain, he has officially been tested?! But skilled fighters like Mir wasn’t really a test? If Brock came into the UFC and fought from the middle of the division with someone like Carwin and won against Carwin, would we all be here saying “well Brock hasn’t been tested yet by top guys like Mir and Couture”. Brock fought top guys. He has been tested, he passed those tests, and there are more testd to come. But please don’t make it sound like Brock has never been or is not tested. It is an insult to great fighters like Mir and Couture.

by johjohn on Jul 13, 2009 4:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry Skelow, that wasn’t all technique buddy…that’s fighting someone who was 1-0.

by Makeithappen on Jul 13, 2009 4:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Carwin I can see as a threat to Lesnar. He has the power that if he hits Lesnar, Lesnar will feel it.

Whoever fights Lesnar next needs to neutralize Lesnars take downs and keep the fight standing. Which means whoever it is has to be able to take a punch and give it, since most who get hit by Brock stagger/fall with one punch.

The other thing is that Lesnars opponent has to make sure Lesnar doesn’t break/bend any rules. Happened in Mir vs Lesnar 1, I believe the some rule violations occurred in Couture vs Lesnar as well…And if anyone looked closely in Mir vs Lesnar 2 a violation occurred as well…I’m referring to Lesnar grabbing the throat of Mir. Which if anyone goes to UFC.com and checks out the rules that’s #11 on the list. Surprised the commentators or anyone else didn’t say anything about that. Since it was clear during pretty much all of round one Lesnar was grabbing Mir by the throat. Lesnar also happens to have a love for “accidentally” connecting with back of the head punches.

I will say lots of people do not give Lesnar his proper dues. He’s a very talented wrestler and has some serious size and strength as well as agility. With more in-ring experience and training he will become very dangerous, even if he does lose the title and keeps fighting in the UFC,etc.

by random guy on Jul 13, 2009 4:27 AM EDT reply actions  

i love this dude more and more everytime i hear him open his mouth… hope him or cain destroy lesnar!!!

by rowdymmafan on Jul 13, 2009 4:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I bet you would also enjoy his balls in your mouth Mate

by Dingo on Jul 13, 2009 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

by Kobajack on Jul 13, 2009 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now, before I say anything else, I like Carwin. He is a local fighter; a nice guy, and on his way to being a great fighter. He may even be a better fighter then Lesnar. I will not know till I see them fight. But to say he is more deserving of respect (based on fighting ability , not personality) and that he has earned his title shot more then Lesnar………COME ON!!!

Let’s look at both of their respective fights in the UFC. Lesnar has fought Couture, Mir, and Herring. Carwin has fought Gonzaga (a good fighter, and a great showing for Carwin). He has also fought Neil Wain who is best known for his………wait he…….Who the hell is Neil Wain? Look at his picture. Watch the fight. Can he be compared to Mir or Couture as an opponent? He also has fought Christian Wellisch, who also does not have the credentials of either Couture or Mir or Herring.

Wait though, you may be right, he has so many more fights then Lesnar in the UFC. His 3 fights, 4 if you count the fight with Cain, makes him an old veteran compared to Lesnar. (Sarcasm in case you missed it)

Let’s just be honest you hate Lesnar! It could be because you are from a traditional martial arts background and it is hard to see size and strength win over what you consider better technique. This I can respect, but, Lesnar does have his share of talent and technique. He has amazing speed for a man that big, and a world class college wrestling pedigree. With this wrestling ability, he should be able to control where the fight takes place with almost any opponent. If he is able to control where the fight takes place, he can stay away from another fighter’s strengths, and be able to beat a much more talented fighter.
  
Another thing, the heavyweight division has had a 265 pound limit for a long long time. It never seemed to bother any of you in the past. We have had Tim Sylvia, Gan Mcgee and quite a few other big heavyweights. Does it bother you now that there is a bigger fighter just because he has more talent? If we get a fighter with a longer reach, should we change the rules to take away his unfair advantage?

So, hate him! It is easy to hate him. He deserves it for many of the things he has said, but he does have talent, and he will probobly beat atleast a few more fighters. Each time he wins, I will have to hear you start over from scratch……"he won, but it does not mean anything, Herring will beat him…….Couture will beat him……..Mir will beat him………..Carwin will beat him……..and eventually you will be right, and how proud you will be of your pick, and you will be able to tell everyone you were right, he has no talent.

by t.s. on Jul 13, 2009 4:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Bottom line…if you’re gonna act like a punk bitch like Bisping or Mir, with that arrogant, false arrogance against a dude you deep down know is gonna rape you, you better deliver more goods. As soon as Bisping saw Hendo coming out to Lunatic Fringe he crapped his pants and realized “shit, I have to actually fight this hardass!? This is for real!?” That octogon gate shut and both men realized they were screwed, esp saw it in Bispings eyes.
Same with Alves…all this " i will knock out GSP!" call it pre-fight hype only, but the bravado used by ALves wwas basically just dumb as he also ammounted to a club looking fighter.

by KingKong on Jul 13, 2009 5:05 AM EDT reply actions  

As far as Carwin goes, yeah he does have a punchers chance but once Brock got a hold of him he would do FAR worse than what Gonzaga could even try to.
Cain is just too small to be Heavy champ, and his feather fists for Heavy weight, similar to Vera before Vera started flagging, I believe Cain needs to lose like 30% of his body fat, duded fat, and make the cut to 205 for his average height, and dominate there which he probably could.

by KingKong on Jul 13, 2009 5:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Lesnars game may not be sexy, but lets just realize the fact that he basically mauled this dude straight up like a friggin grizzly bear, or polar bear in his case, and held him down like a child and just bashed him in like he was 10 year old boy. That folks is sheer brute force and even if the guy needs to take a course in etiquette, its pretty cool to watch. Not a huge fan, just saying its kinda of cool to have some guy go out there and not be a boring robot "I’ll fight whoever Dana thinks I should’ BS….he looses his cool and that pretty genuinely real and generates high drama.

by KingKong on Jul 13, 2009 5:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I mean the dude Demolished the legendary randy Couture, Mir, and Herring, all grizzled MMA experts, basically with no training! Only Carwin or Fedor pose a threat to this cat, maybe Brett Rogers LOL! You need to recognize that size is just a given, its not like he’s 6’8 like SLyvia, or that big, he’s 6’2-6’3 good size and built like a silverback, since when should a dude be hated on for being stronger and more thick than his opposition? This is the heavyweights after all….spare this david-goliath complaint….people wanna see hulks demolish competetion like godzilla, and also David to slay Goliath, its all in the name of entertainment people. Besides the flipping off the fans, it was awesome, i mean the guy really does harbor true fiht feelings and has pride, not ‘just’ there for a payday, I mean yeah he wants the money, but alos loves to beatdown fools. Besides Mir’s hair is the gayest looking Kramer like shit around, he had it coming.

by KingKong on Jul 13, 2009 5:19 AM EDT reply actions  

to say ufc fans are the greatest fans in the world is a joke i no there are good fans but if you look at some posts about bisping and hendo alot of the fans wished bisping was dead and boood the lesnar mir fight i can think of better fans

by FACTOID on Jul 13, 2009 5:58 AM EDT reply actions  

amen…

There are a lot of fans who have watched UFC since the beginning (I started at UFC 2). The newer bandwagon fans for the most part fit the stereotype that made people think MMA was the devil for so long. The is why they make comments about wishing Bisping was dead and boo when a fight goes to the ground.

I love that UFC is finally getting the attention it deserves, because MMA it is a great alternative to boxing, but it is bittersweet because along with the fame comes the idiots who sit in bars and talk about they could kick “that guy’s” butt.

by Chris on Jul 13, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

LESNAR BIIIITCHHHH

by Samoa_Fighter on Jul 13, 2009 6:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Fuck brock lesnar. The pre fight comments are just to hype up the fight. Everyone does it. After the fight is done you show respect. I’m not gonna lie,lesnar is a great fighter,but still an asshole. When tito ortiz did his antics everyone hated him. Brock even said himself he shouldn’t have said all the shit he said at the post fight interview. I have been a UFC fan years before the ultimate fighter. Lesnar has a WWE attitude. And Carwin is right about what he said. Everything he said. You dislike carwin now cuz you say he’s playing a good guy. But you like lesnar and he plays a bad guy. Naw people,fuck lesnar. Someone should shoot that bitch on his dick sucker.

by elias on Jul 13, 2009 6:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Stop crying about him being 60 lbs heavier, facts are facts, he makes the weight. You act as if there are nobody else out there coming in heavier the day of the fight. Stop hating, Brock is a wrestler/ Ground and pounder, he is great at what he does, there are others like him in the ufc, just not as good! Get over it already you bunch of whiney little babies!!!!!!

by lilmack on Jul 13, 2009 6:45 AM EDT reply actions  

With Dan’s unnecessary “flying forearm” and Brock’s antic’s after his fight with Frank it didn’t look good for the UFC or MMA!!!

by HALE UK on Jul 13, 2009 6:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok on standup the only striker who will test BROCK is KONGO no matter what ppl say about his wrestling…His Standup is the best in that Division and a few hit combo could affect Brock badly, because he doesnt seem to like getting hit in his face!!

by Jugga on Jul 13, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Go Carwin!!!!!!!!
104 can’t happen fast enough!!!!
LESNAR is nothing but an ignorant child.

by sam on Jul 13, 2009 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Shane Carwin is a super homo! He isn’t even that great of a fighter he just wins because he has heavy heavy hands who the hell is he to say what Brock can and can’t do. Dude! Have you not heard of the Diaz brothers? Nick and Nate Diaz (well mostly Nick) does that kind of crap all the time and people cheer him for it including myself, but Brock does it (maybe a little too extreme understood) and he gets lectured about it. Carwin your a dumb ass shut up go defeat the other over rated heavyweight Cain Velesquez and then Brock Lesnar will show you face to face what it means to be a fighter when he kicks your ass. I am so sick of this garbage I mean the fans were booing him even before his antics after the fight so why should he give a crap what he does, personally I loved it I was up cheering the whole time even when he was going nuts..it’s awesome and there are alot of athletes like that so just get over it and quit acting like you know what the hell your talking about.

by The Cody on Jul 13, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Dude, bottom line is who gives a rats ass how big Lesnar’s hands and ego are and how small his brains and pecker are. He’s the champ because he’s the biggest and the strongest. The minute a super heavyweight Gold Medal Wrestler step in the Octagon, Brock will be crapping his fucking thong. Alexander Karelin the best wrestler ever would tear Brock apart even now and everybody who’s ever heard of him or seen the monster knows it. He’s got a few more brain cells than that nimrod. A Ph.d, honorary General in Russia, writes poetry, and is a politician.

by Mattlvln on Jul 14, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So If I’m reading this right, Cain & Carwin tangle in Oct…..and the winner fights Brock?? So Brock at the earliest would fight at the year end card in December?? Not like I’m a fan, but I’m waiting to see him get his ass beat, and I can’t wait until Dec or the Jan card.

by Brocksbabymama on Jul 13, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Brock’s comments AFTER THE FIGHT just made all the mature fans hate him. He is bad for the sport. No class, no respect this is not the WWE. GROW UP BROCK.

by hatteras on Jul 13, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I like both Vasquez and Carwin against Brock. Counter punch, keep distance and develope a solid game plan off of that. Mir started to look good before Lesnar’s final take down when he was using his reach and had Lesnar against the cage, but outside of that the standup game really wasn’t established by either fighter. If I had to name a fighter in the HW division with the best hands it would prolly be Carwin – but Vasquez isn’t far behind.

Just gotta find a way to keep 280lbs off of you on the mat.

by Luppers on Jul 13, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Brock is a douchebag but he is a dominating force at HW. Dana is sold on him. I’ll bet Dana goes after Fedor hard now. He thinks he has a HW that will beat him. He may be right. Fedor has never faced anyone with the size and agility of Lesnar. Looked like Lesnar learned some JJ defence so what would Fedors game plan be?

by CaptainAmerica on Jul 13, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Fedor would dismantle Brock just like he has everyone else.

by Big Daddio on Jul 13, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Who is everyone else, anyone that could beat brock or Mir hell Carwin or NOG for that matter? I don’t think so.

by Puck Head on Jul 13, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Lesnar would give Fedor his biggest test to date. Hong Man Choi was working Fedor over in between armbar attempts in their fight. If Lesnar can avoid Fedor’s subs…he could beat him.

by MMAMoneyLine on Jul 13, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would just like to say one thing.. At first i thought brocks behavior was apalling. But after the fight i thought as a fighter. If you have fought before you know what im talking about. Fighting is just as much mental as it is physical. You must always believe in yourself. You have to know you are already the winner, and through a fight there is a real emotion of you controlling your PMA if you will. Your mind must be strong. And by flipping off the crowd, shoving it in Mirs face after the fact, it is a form of reassuring yourself that you were right. And the only way you look at other people who say you are going to lose is as naysayers. So after going through that emotional battle, and keeping up the PMA, than to get booed after.. Everything he did in my book makes sense. People deal with fight emotion differently. Tupac said it the best, “Its just me against the world.”

by Sky on Jul 13, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I can’t wait for Brock vs. Carwin, Cain, or fedor. Then everything will be settled. Can’t deny any of their skills!

by JB75 on Jul 13, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Cain is too small. Kongo hurt him a few times. Brock would lay him the hell out- quick.

by Wes on Jul 13, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Brock disrespected anything, I mean the whole place booed his ass and he just gave them a big FU for doing so. Who really cares what someone has to say or what gestures they do. Actions always speak louder than words and people getting caught using steroids or breaking the law outside of the Octogon are the true fighters who disrepect the sport. Brock flips off the crowd and says things and you guys bash him, but Rampage runs people over on the highway with his truck and I’m gonna venture to say alot of you Brock haters probably love Rampage. My opinion what Rampage did is worse than anything Brock could ever say. Brock apologized for his words so everyone just needs to move on.

I had an outside perspective with my friend who came to watch and he doesn’t know anything about MMA or any of the fighters, so I showed him all the top 100 fights, he also watched the countdown with me before the fight and he was already rooting for Brock because of all the shit talking Mir was doing. When Brock won and the boos started his exact words were wow they really don’t like him then Brock flipped the place off and my friend started laughing and said he just gave them a big FU and he loved it. Needless to say he is excited to come over every UFC and watch with me. On a side note he was scared for Bisping after he got KTFO and was suprised a 38 yr old man could do that to a younger guy. I also showed him Fedor for the first time after UFC 100 was over and he said Fedor is the scariest dude I’ve seen in all the fights you showed me today.

by rydinlow on Jul 13, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly. The dude came, saw and kicked ass. He finished his opponent with relative ease. Anderson Silva dosen’t even do that anymore foe Pete’s sake. Now that’s a guy who deserves some boos. I would have been ticked off with the booing myself. I boxed and kickboxed for 6 years. Fighting is the toughest sport there is. No one deserves being booed for winning. Just like when Rampage knocked out Chuck the fans booed him. Now that is classles. If Brock wanted to flip them off who can blame him? I probably wouldn’t have done that. But I probably would have said in the post fight interview that if the fans don’t like it they can kiss my butt.

by Wes on Jul 13, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll be interested to see how Brock handles his next matchup before and after the actual fight.

I have a feeling it will be an almost complete 180 degree turn from how he acted against Mir. Because of the great backlash and the scolding from Dana White, I expect a completely different Brock Lesnar next time.
Just like he’s progressed tremendously in his fighting skills, I believe he’ll show almost the same evolution in his maturity and antics. I hope.

by Ernesto on Jul 13, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you’re right. The guy is human, he screwed up and if he’s smart he’ll learn and not make the same mistake.

by Wes on Jul 13, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah sorry, but I don’t buy Mir giving someone lessons on being classy. I know they have to talk trash about other fighters to sell fights, but Mir lost me when he started insulting Lesnar’s coaches and their abilities. You’re fighting Lesnar, not the guys in his corner.

As far as people jumping on Lesnar’s back about disrespect. When has the crowd showed any respect for him? He was getting booed out of buildings before he ever stepped foot in the octagon. He wasn’t a jerk after losing to Mir, and he wasn’t really THAT bad after beating Herring and Couture. It’s obvious the middle finger came from some emotion that built up over time from seemingly never being able to do anything right in the fans’ eyes.

One last bit. I am absolutely not a wrestling fan, but I did see Brock in the WWE from time to time. The guy was programmed to play to the crowd. If they boo, he acts like a bigger jerk. That was his job. Granted it’s not his job anymore, and he definitely has growing up to do, but the UFC is the first chance he’s had to be back in front of a big crowd. It’s somewhat understandable that he might revert back to some old habits.

Anyone who says they haven’t ever reacted poorly in a highly emotional situation is either lying or they’ve never found themselves in such a scenario. You have to learn from stupid mistakes and I certainly hope he has. Let’s not crucify him for a mistake. The guy is still very new to this and has been thrown to the fire rather quickly. Who else has had title shots and this much attention so early in their career?

by Chris on Jul 13, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I am a Carwin fan now!

by oldskooljjsu on Jul 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m a Carwin fan now too! Because he cares so much about me, the fan. Next time I hope everyone boos he right off the bat and continues to boo him and see how well he likes the greatest fans in the world. Somebody said it earlier, I don’t care if the fighter likes me or not, p
I pay to watch him kick @ss or get his @ss kicked.

by johjohn on Jul 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I lost respect for that fool. Mind your own business Carwin the fact you don’t like brock is fine but don’t talk about honor and respect and at the same time your insulting him? Yor a fucking hypocritical douch bag. If you have a problem with Brock don’t try to get us fans behind you talk to Brock like a man not a pussy relaying a message through the media.

 I take it Carwin is fine with Mir’s insults? What a F’n Douch Bag I for one lost a lot of respect for Carwin who was on of my favourite fighters, I’ll be cheering for you buddy against Cain and hope you get the oportunity to get your face smashed in next by the champion.

by Puck Head on Jul 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The “fans” were booing in the middle of the fight while brock had mir in a tight situation and introduced his fist to mir’s face. everyone tries to make excuses why brock is a killer “he is to big” haha come on WHEN has that been a factor in mma? if your a good fighter you can beat the big guys. mir talked the crap. couldnt even defend himself in the fight and everyone was mad that brock won. i was on Mir’s side before i say the interview with him talking his junk. then i was like i wonder what will happen and saw the fight and couldnt help but laugh. i was NOT offended since i was not one of them screaming and booing throughout the fight and or after. the “fans” that booed got the finger. jerks get the finger all the time. its not the end of the world.

by Jay on Jul 13, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

“It doesn’t matter if you win or loose it matters how you win or loose…”

lose not loose

by Ognitinoc on Jul 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Shane Carwin definitely worked his way up to a title shot like everybody else. How does someone who had only one prior professional MMA fight come to the UFC lose his debut (Lesnar vs Mir) and and win his next opponent (Lesnar vs Herring) get a title shot? Doesn’t make sense? I know it’s more of a business move on UFC’s end but as a hardcore MMA fan. That does not sit well with me and I am sure that hardcore fans feel the same way.

Guys like Machida who had to win 6 straight before getting a title shot. John Fitch who had to win 8 before getting his. Carwin wins 3 straight via KO/TKO and still has to face Cain Velasquez before he gets his chance at Crock Lesnar. This is the reason why I don’t like Brock. He got to be Champ being 1-1 in the octagon. He is definitely a force in the heavyweight division but his line for the title was a giant leap over more deserving contenders.

I know he puts butts in seats and I do get excited to watch him fight but it kills the moral of the fight game. Based on how popular you are, and if you are marketable the your chances to fight for the title will come sooner.

You can’t knock Carwin to call out Lesnar because he’s proved himself. Carwin is probably doing this to build his possible fight with Lesnar. Just like how Brett Rogers called out Kimbo or Dan Hardy called out Marcus Davis. If you want insurance to fight somebody…it seems the best way is too talk shit and call them out.

by skelow on Jul 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

This was stupid.

My respect for Carwin dropped a little.

by Lester The Pimp on Jul 13, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Some of you guys are full of it. UFC is about the “ultimate” fighter. This isn’t Mr. Miagi’s do jo and your gonna get kicked out if you bow to your opponent. It’s about one bad as mofo going in there and fightning another. It’s about adrenaline, shit talking and backing it up. That’s what sells fights and that’s why people watch.

Brock is the best thing to come along for the ufc because the Heavy Weight division was going down the toilet quick. Cro Cop was a bust, Fedor won’t sign, Randy is a million years old, Kongo knees everyone in the nuts……. I mean….who’s there?

I personally love the antics and it doesn’t disgrace the sport one bit. It’s no different than the tits and ass carrying the round signs around if you want to talk about a cliche or a stereo type.

Keep it up.

by tallimeca on Jul 13, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Brock for president of the UFC If and only if he says all the pretty things the fans want him to say, and immediatley hug his opponent after the fight, all the while hand slapping and fist bumping after every good exchange. Yeah now that is what fighting is all about.

by Dan C on Jul 13, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

BAWWWWW.. Brock on wins becase of his size.. WAHHHHHHH…

BAWWWWW.. Brock on wins becase of his size.. WAHHHHHHH…stfu.

BAWWWWW.. Brock on wins becase of his size.. WAHHHHHHH…stfu.Royce Gracie destroyed people wayy bigger than him.

BAWWWWW.. Brock on wins becase of his size.. WAHHHHHHH…stfu.Royce Gracie destroyed people wayy bigger than him.why can a smaller HW destroy Brock? because hes wayy too strong.

BAWWWWW.. Brock on wins becase of his size.. WAHHHHHHH…stfu.Royce Gracie destroyed people wayy bigger than him.why can a smaller HW destroy Brock? because hes wayy too strong.No one is going to beat Brock going to the mat.. as of right now i only see a striker beating Brock.. keep away and smash his face.

by xChiroN on Jul 13, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Lesner is just a big oaf, He thinks UFC is is the same as WWF and it is not… Sure he is a big powerful guy, but he has no repect for his fellow fighters, he is such a dick.
I think every fighter in the UFC should refuse any fights with him. Let him keep the belt and maybe he will go away.

by Gord M on Jul 14, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah tha’ll show em. You don’t put a guy in his place and get rid of him by letting him sit undisputed on his throne. You go knock him off… if you can. Carwin better worry about Cain and put thoughts of Lesnar on the backburner for now. Everyone acts like they’ve never seen a guy act like a jerk before. I usually hate fighters like that, but I have to back Lesnar on this one. He has been booed from day one and never really had a chance of being liked by some “fans.”

by chris on Jul 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Shane this is Rachel Carwin i am Jason Carwin’s lil sis! I am so happy i finally get to talk to u! I think we are 3rd cousins but IDK!!! LOL! ok i gtg LOVE U! Bye!

by Rachel on Jul 29, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Fans of any sport are going to vary in what they would like to see from the sport and its athletes. Some fans may want MMA to be one step closer to real than pro wrestling – keep the characters and the drama the same, but make the fighting real and unscripted. Others may want MMA to be more about the comparison of styles, the skills used, respect and sportsmanship, and less about the “show”. These are just two possible examples, but you get the idea.

Whether you feel Brock Lesnar’s antics (or anyone else’s for that matter) are harmful to the sport probably depends on what you’d like to see from the sport. I personally hope that MMA organizations keep the antics and showmanship(outside of the fighting) to a minimum. I understand that pre-fight trash talking has its purpose in promoting and building anticipation for upcoming bouts. Beyond that though, I’m primarily watching to see fighting – not characters, not attitude, not story lines, just the actual fighting. For me, the fighting speaks for itself and is what is entertaining about MMA. I don’t mind seeing intros about fighters, or comparisons of styles and strategies, but if it starts to look or feel too much like pro wrestling, it’s going to make me start to wonder how much is real and how much is show. Some people may not care. I do. I want to feel confident what I’m watching is the real thing. I want to be able to have some respect for the fighters, what they have accomplished, and how they behave as true sportsmen. If I want to watch scripts or acting I can watch pro wresting.

Whether Brock’s behavior after the last fight was for show, or because he’s an immature tool, I don’t know, but it wasn’t a good representation of what I would like to see from the sport of MMA.

by Ru53 on Aug 6, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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