The next step for Georges St. Pierre ... is it Anderson Silva or not yet?
by MMAmania.com on Jul 12, 2009 7:47 PM EDT
Email
Print
Not even an injured abductor ligament could interrupt welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre's riddum last night against Thiago Alves at UFC 100 from the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.
"Rush" revealed after the fight that he pulled his groin at some point during the third round of his five-round championship fight against the division's number one contender. It didn't seem to hamper his impressive performance, however -- St. Pierre cruised to yet another dominating win over a very tough challenger.
He once again made it look effortless, which is scary considering the level of competition he has been up against recently. He was never in danger against Alves -- a heavy-handed Muay Thai striker who also has some of the most powerful kicks in the game.
The Canadian kept his distance, used his reach advantage and then timed his takedowns perfectly throughout the 25 minutes. Alves didn't have many answers, thwarting perhaps two of the more than 10 attempts from St. Pierre.
That's not a good ratio for him.
St. Pierre was then able to basically hold Alves down and beat him up. And when Alves did get to his feet St. Pierre would just take him down again. Repeat.
The win over Alves marked the third lopsided successful title defense for St. Pierre since he reclaimed his belt from Matt Serra with a second round technical knockout at UFC 83: "Serra vs. St. Pierre 2" back in April 2008. First he dominated Jon Fitch, then he smashed BJ Penn and now he schooled Alves. And in each of those contests he sustained little to no damage.
So now what -- who is talented and skilled enough at 170 pounds to really give St. Pierre a run for his money? He's essentially cleaned out the division. UFC matchmaker Joe Silva, when asked, informed ringside announcer Joe Rogan last night that the winner of the bout between Mike Swick and Martin Kampmann at UFC 103 in Dallas, Texas, on Sept. 19.
That's a nice idea -- both fighters have performed very well recently and the winner would have more than earned his shot at the crown. But will either Swick or Kampmann be able to do what Alves, Penn, Fitch, Hughes, Serra and the rest of the top players that St. Pierre has left in the dust have not?
It's unlikely, but possible nonetheless.
UFC President Dana White did not sound as certain about St. Pierre's future, saying he had "no clue" what was next for the Canadian. He hinted that Fitch -- who has strung together back-to-back wins since losing to St. Pierre in August 2008 -- was still in the running for a rematch, but things are still up in the air.
Of course, a superfight between St. Pierre and UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva -- arguably the two best pound-for-pound fighters on the planet -- is possible. It's a hot-button topic that has been discussed for years and picked up some serious heat last night.
St. Pierre needs to first get healthy. Silva needs to also take care of business against Forrest Griffin in a 205-pound contest at UFC 101 on Aug. 8. He hasn't defended his 185-pound crown since April of this year and will more than likely only get one more opportunity to do so before the 2009 fight campaign comes to a close.
Will it be against St. Pierre? Or, will other contenders such as Nate Marquardt/Demian Maia and Dan Henderson fill-in until "Rush" is fit, and as he puts it, has time to "get bigger" for the move north. The logical next step is to have St. Pierre and Silva defend their respective belts at least one more time before finally colliding.
Then again, with both fighters seemingly unstoppable and at the top of their games, perhaps White and Co. will throw logic out the window (like they sometimes do) and book St. Pierre vs. Silva for a super showdown of epic proportions while the timing is perfect.
What say you, Maniacs?
138 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
MONDAY MORNING CONVERSATION, EARLY EDITION:
I just want to say I don’t hate GSP, I’m just not a fan! He is top 3 P4P in the world and the most dominant WW possibly ever, I just don’t care for him. As a matter of fact, I wasn’t a fan of anyone (a little Bisping) last night. I had no vested interest in any fight either. Overall I was a little disappointed in the event as a whole. This is the 100th numbered event yet the UFC got the time slotting wrong and had to put a match after the main event, kinda lame at this point of their professional mixed martial arts shows! As far as Brock goes, get used to him winning, I see no HW currently in the UFC that will beat him! The only way he loses is if he beats himself! If he continues the “chest on chest” ground and pound, he will only get more confident and more devastating! I was appalled by his post fight antics. Call me a purist, but this sport is an art, and built on hard work, respect and honor! I don’t want him to be robot like, like GSP, but if Serra/Hughes, Tito/Ken and Frank/Diaz can embrace after their heated battles, anyone can! Not only that, he bit the hand that feeds him (the UFC and the fans) and worse, disrespected his wife! I’ve slept around in my life, but have never disrespected a woman like that! There are millions of people watching around the world including children. Maybe it’s because I’m older and have a family, but unlike Rob, I find it bad for the sport, and fuels the fire for politicians and opponents of mma that consider it a blood sport or human cockfighting.
I don’t see any reason for GSP to remain at WW and laughed when he said “my division is stacked.” With who? It ‘s time to put on some weight, take your time and come back at MW for the New Years show! I really wish GSP would try to finish more, he clearly was dominating, go in for the kill! One more thing, GSP’s top game was kinda sloppy last night. He was giving Alves too much space to get up! His side control is what I’m talking about!
I didn’t find Hendo’s parting shot on Bisping wrong. The fight hadn’t been stopped and he was in mid air before he realized, IMO!
From what I’m reading, Fedor has told Bas Rutten in an interview that he will not be signing with the UFC. We all know money talks, but who knows. If this is true, Brock’s reign over the UFC HW division could be a long one!
by kevin on Jul 12, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
GSP sound robot like cause he’s French he doesnt sond like that in the French media.
by RoJ on Jul 12, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I realy agree with your comments about brock having no honor though…He’s a cash cow, an unstobable one. Reminds me of tito. (Loser)
by RoJ on Jul 12, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
the UFC is all about money and that’s why they signed him and that’s why they gave him the title shot right away!.. only stupid thing was about Bud Light which i personally had no problem with cause i’m just enjoying the show and am not a bitter man/nerd that points out all things and complains!…
by RoB on Jul 12, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dana enjoys the situation and is selling Brock out and lets him take all the crap!.. Dana’s not stupid he knew what to expect even before they signed Brock
by RoB on Jul 12, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, i wanna see Hendo-GSP more than GSP-Silva, way more interesting stylistically. Maybe he might move up gradually by first testing the waters. Either ways can we please already say he’s cleaned out the division? I don’t care to see him smash swick or marty.
FIGHT ANNOUNCEMENT: Sherk-Tibau @103.
John and K1 fans- another big night for us with MAX tomorrow!! Sucks that they matched up Sower with Kyshenko. Buakaw won’t get to avenge his robbery against kraus coz pretrosyan is gonna smash him up.
by NameNotRequired on Jul 12, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally I agree with you about Brock Kevin and I unfortunately have to get used to him being champion.
by DSmith on Jul 12, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana needs to go after Strikeforce’s two stud welterweight – Shields and Diaz. That would spruce up the division.
Dana also needs to set up more fights between the existing welterweight prospects. Hardy, Hazelett, and AJ should get some bigger fights against the Hughes and Koschecks of the division.
by Jeremyjackson on Jul 12, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I also think it was obvious that despite averyone’s assertions that Alves was bigger and stronger than GSP, Georges was the bigger man in the cage last night, wider-framed and definitely stronger, particularly in his lower body. Alves is puffy but GSP is a bigger man.
by Jeremyjackson on Jul 12, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
my views on 100.
brock isn’t gonna lose for awhile but when he doe… man is it gonna be sweet. what a headcase. a giantic man with little mans syndrome.
GSP deserves some time off. what a performance. i disagree about him not being a finisher. He finished penn, hughes 2x, serra, sherk, trigg etc. plus i liked watching get takedown after takedown and pounding on guys for five rounds. do you realize how much cardio you have to own to do that to a guy like Alves?
Nighty-night Bisping.
Thats all.
by SpiderStyle on Jul 12, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Robot like or not, he’s sincere. He loves the sport. He doesn’t hate his opponents and he wishes the best for them. I don’t need any hype or trash talk with my MMA. I love the technical aspects of the sport, plain and simple. I’ll take my MMA like my coffee, no sweetner or cream necessary.
GSP, thanks for putting more cash in my wallet.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 12, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a huge GSP fan and even I am not really interested in seeing him defend his title anymore. I think he’s proven he is the best WW ever. I don’t care about Hughes’ record. It’s not simple addition. You have to look at the quality of his opponents and the fashion in which he has won. And it doesn’t hurt that he beat Hughes twice without much effort.
Anyway, I’d like to see him take his time and add a lot of solid mass to his frame and get used to it. I’d like for him to train with bigger guys throughout that time as well. Then I’d love to see the Silva Fight. Why not? There’s no shame in losing and if he really wants a challenge, he’d have it. It would also solidify him as the best P4P fighter in the world. Why not take a shot at that?
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 12, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ, agree completely. Only fights I wanna see GSP have at 170 are Diaz and Shields. Kevin I disagree about GSP’s performance. I thought it was another one sided beatdown and he did try to finish. Alves is a tough strong guy. My prediction was 4th rd RNC after gassing Alves out from repeated TD’s and beatings but GSP almost made it happen at the end of the first. He came close again later in the fight but in the end couldn’t get it done. I was not a fan of GSP recently I think because going back to the BJ fight I had to convince myself I couldn’t be a GSP fan. Last week I had to convince myself it was ok to be a fan again and glad I did because he is awesome.
by Crowls on Jul 13, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
NNR: Im stoked for k-1 max, but I also am disapointed with how they paired the fighters up!
by JOhn G on Jul 13, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right…. sort of. GSP speaks French first and English second – sometimes his message gets lost in his translation.
Remember the Hughes win when GSP said the famous, “I’m not impressed with your performance….” line? It was actually supposed to be more like, “Well yes, you won, but not in impressive/devastating fashion.” He has been cautious ever since to not want that mistake to happen again.
BTW, I think the injury was pre-fight. GSP wasn’t in his usual rythym and right from RD 1 the cornermen tone was the exact same. “Calm down Georges, breathe, just breathe.” I think the announcement was staged to happen after the 3rd RD. And, GSP announces after the fight he hurt his “Adductor.” A rather precise self-diagnosis if you ask me.
But he understood the landscape and chose to carry through with his committment to UFC 100. Just goes to show what character this guy really has.
by DJ on Jul 12, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
he may have had such a good self-diagnosis because he said after the fight that has hurt it before.
by SpiderStyle on Jul 12, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Man your sad to read!
Some who don’t like him (for whatever reason) say that GSP just lay ‘n pray and now you say that GSP give too much space so Alves could get up… i mean… what’s your point?
He clearly won every rounds! He drop Thiago Alves in the 3rd and dominate him (who’s bigger than him)in round 4 & 5 with a tore groin injury…
All the props to GSP’s performance!
by Jee on Jul 12, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted this on an earlier thread but I think this would make a lot of sense for the fans – and considering Silva wants to go up to 205 and GSP has cleared out the WW division.
After the Forrest fight Silva relinqueshes his title than fights GSP (Super Bowl weekend 2010? Gives GSP time to heal).
Winner of Nate/Maia fight faces Hendo for the now free title.
Thats four gauranteed (hopefully) great fights!
by WB on Jul 12, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding GSP looked sloppy in side-control: He has a torn groin and was fighting at a 10-15 pound weight disadvantage. It’s hard to finish someone when you can barely move your right leg and are fighting against a muay thai wrecking machine.
GSP was impressive considering the circumstances.
by ej on Jul 12, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically UFC 100 ended with a boring Fitch fight…..they should have shown the Coleman win instead, I still can’t believe he won and how many people would complain seeing that victory?
Also I stick up for the UFC alot as you guys know but I’m boycotting Randy vs Nog as it’s not a main event PPV quality fight, shame on them for giving us that…Nog is a dead man walking and Randy has been looking his age lately, I have no desire to see this fight.
by Robert(1) on Jul 12, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that was seriously the dumbest thing i’ve ever read… talk, talk, talk, but could you hold one of the strongest WW’s in the division on the ground? i highly doubt it.. are you a bjj black belt? i didnt think so… youre over analizing something you dont know much about.. gsp dominated the stand up, the clinch, the ground, and the wrestling.. can you tell me which weight class is more stacked other than 205? nah… so… enough said
by jord on Jul 12, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin – you are a true and true Penn nutsack hugger and I don’t care if you are a moderator or not. For someone who is supposed to be knowledged in MMA your initial statement proved how much of an opinionated ass you truly are.
I don’t care if you like GSP or not but you ceratinly have to state that he dominated Alves yesterday which was even more impressive considering he was injured. He also raped your true love as well and he damn well finished the crybaby like he has never been finished before.
If you look at my previous GSP vs Alves replies you will also see that I’ve have stated Alves as being over-rated. Yesterday’s fight certainly proves my statements. He is young and hopefully uses the loss to beef up some of his weaknesses. He is truly one-dimensional as a fighter currently. He should fight with Fitch again and I bet the outcome will be the same – Fitch winning again.
Are you also sure that you are not Penn’s mother?? And now I have to say that I am not a fan of Kevin after his cromagnum response which also borders on something that resembles rantings on from a Trisomy 21 individual.
by deadgrassinyard on Jul 12, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree he dominated Alves and has nothing more to rove at WW, how much more credit do I have to give him?
by kevin on Jul 13, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
um. gsp RIPPED HIS GROIN. so yeah. hard to finish let alone fight. lesnar will be wolverine raped by carwin. so dont worry about it. and maybe calm down.
by Hardcase on Jul 12, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point Hardcase, everyone seems to be forgetting about the other 265 lb monster that will probably light Brock up with his supperior striking. Carwin is the real deal.
by Gord on Jul 12, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i think gsp should fight bj again, but these time tie up gsps ankles in shackles, and blindfold him, sadly i still see hi beating bj
by dtoto on Jul 12, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin- You have got to be kidding. Maybe his side control wasn’t as close because he had a torn groin muscle and he was too busy pounding Alves’ head into the canvas. GSP has the best ground game at ww, and maybe in mma as a whole. He is certainly far more skilled in BJJ than you and maybe even your wife. haha
by naturalshadow on Jul 13, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
whoever gave me the mmacore link, thank you, the coleman/bonnar fight was good! if coleman was like that against shogun, he would have won!
by kevin on Jul 12, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
Bonnar/Coleman, Jones/O’Brien, Danzig/Miller…enjoy!
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Stephan_Bonnar_vs_Mark_Coleman_UFC_100?vid=10005564&tid=100
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Jon_Jones_vs_Jake_O_Brien_UFC_100?vid=10005565&tid=100
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Mac_Danzig_vs_Jim_Miller_UFC_100?vid=10005566&tid=100
by DSmith on Jul 13, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Do it soon at a catch weight, with no titles on the line. You get the impression that GSP really doesn’t want to fight at 185, unless it’s The Spider, or another big super fight.
by JTK5 on Jul 12, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
BJ didn’t get to fight at a catch weight. Why should GSP?
by DrHarry on Jul 12, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
because bj penn has fought at 170 many times…and if he wasnt such a lazy asshole..he wudda been in fine physical shape…but…hed rather chill on the beach than train for the best fighter in the world
by I hate fake mma fans on Jul 12, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ Penn wanted the welterweight title and the bragging rights of being the first fighter to hold 2 UFC titles simultaneously. That’s why their fight wasn’t a catch weight.
by KDawg2600 on Jul 12, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but at least BJ had the courage to try. We all know his natural fighting weight is 155. GSP should step up and see how it feels to fight someone who has the size advantage and same skill level (if not more). If he wins then he’ll have his “legacy” that he’s been talking about.
by dr harry on Jul 13, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ didn’t WANT to fight at a catch weight either, so your point is moot. You don’t win belts at catch weights.
by Gord on Jul 12, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP doesn’t want to fight or get in the way of some close friends at MW (Nate and Cote).
by Gord on Jul 12, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No way should Fitch get another crack at GSP. Most of you know my feelings on him so need to rehash, but logically speaking, their first fight was about as lopsided as a fight can be without getting stopped. Who really wants to see that again?
by PW on Jul 12, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
I would like to see him fight Bisping or a little lower ranked 185er before he decides to fight Silva to see if he can even handle the weight. He walks around 180 to 185 and the fighters in that division will be from 200 to 210 when they step in the ring. A Silva on the other hand walks around 215 to 220 and would be that weight when he steps in the ring at LHW so he doesn’t really lose any weight advantage that GSP would by moving up. Alves might have a eisier time moving up as he is around 210 in street clothes.
by Beaver on Jul 12, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So what is it, GSP can handle a 200+ lbs Alves (who is stronger than most MW),or he can’t handle a 200 to 210 lb MW. Are 200 lb MW’s bigger and stronger than 200 lb WW? lol.
GSP is closer to 190 and he is RIPPED at 190 unlike most of the MW’s that are packing 10 or 15 lbs of fat around (fat only slow you down, it doesn’t make you stronger. If GSP moves up to MW he would add some quallity weight. It doesn’t matter what we think anyhow, because GSP trains with one of the biggest MW’s (Marquardt, so I’m sure he has a pretty good idea if he can deal with their size or not.
by Gord on Jul 12, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, book it while they,re both in their prime. You never know if the UFC puts it off, what could happen (injury retire). Nobody in either division has earned the the right to compete for the belts.
by jigga4713 on Jul 12, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
NO
We really don’t need Anderson Silva against GSP. WHY???
GSP needs more title-defenses against legit welter-weights not light-weight champions moving up in weight.
GSP realizes that he’s not really big enough and would have to take time to properly prepare for the move up in weight. This is from his mouth.
GSP can fight . . . Kampmann, Swick, Condit, etc.
Silva? There’s not too many fights left on his contract. It would be great to see him fight winners like Maia or possibly Henderson or Marquardt. Personally if Maia wins, he should get a straight title shot. If Marquardt wins, I think he should compete against Henderson to see who really deserves a rematch THAT will more than likely end up with the same result. Then there are other potential 205lbs. fights IF Anderson Silva gets by Forrest Griffin.
by VEe on Jul 12, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
sorry dude…
but you can’t get heavier and dangerous welterweight in Alves…
And those names you mentions… GSP is like 2 lvl higher.
YOU REALLY NEED TO SEE GSP VS KAMPMANN OR GSP VS CONDIT TO SAY…. OKAY … GSP IS THE REAL WW CHAMPION!?
by Jee on Jul 12, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gsp has become the blanket, really cant stand this guy, hes very athletic and a great wrestler but he dont fight anymore, he lust rubs people out. Very irritating that everyone is so far up his ass, in my opinion gsp has officially become one of the most boring fighters in the ufc. I keep thinking maybe he will change everytime he fights but same old lay and rub bs,
Hendo saved the night the first fight was awsome but gsp Should never hedadline again, snooze fest!
by thebending on Jul 12, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions
I agree. I mean his wrestling is the best in the business but what he does after he gets the takedown is just flat out boring. His strategy is effective and he is dominating great worthy opponents but it’s just boring to watch. Maybe it’s just that he’s too good and that he is just on a completely higher level. I think that if his bouts were more competitive his fights would be more exciting.
by RT on Jul 12, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you actually watch the fights? What does he do after he gets the takedown? How about pass the guard and pound on their face. Did you see Alves face? Did you see Penn’s face or Fitch? He also beat all of these fighters in the standup too. I am really getting sick of people on this site (I am talking to you RT and theBending) who only want to see a “standup war”. This is MMA…and GSP is one of the best in the world at it!!!!
by Jake on Jul 12, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Really, Alves looked like he was asian after the fight. Big deference from what GSP does, and someone who does the lay & pray!
by JTK5 on Jul 12, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree with Jake. I am so sick of everyone talking about how “boring” GSP is to watch. What the f_ck do you want? Do you want them to throw in some broken beer bottles and switchblades for fighters to use, for your entertainment pleasure? Should they throw in some lions too?? Do you have to see someone get bloody and maimed to make it exciting? Go rent a f_cking movie if all you want is to watch violence. If you can’t appreciate and respect Georges’ talent, step into the ring with him yourselves.
by Violence_not_required on Jul 12, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Jake, the fitch fight was entertaining, but imo the alves fight was not. GSP simply took alves down at will and laid in his half guard. However, he did land some effective shots busting up thiago’s face. All im asking for is for him to maybe finish a guy every now and again. I believe georges is talented enough to finish alves and could have finished him last night. I also think he should have finished fitch and bj. And I don’t wanna only see a standup war, I just appreciate guys that finish fights more and tend to find that more exciting than the same repeated rounds of takedowns and punches from halfguard ala gsp alves last night. Nothing against GSP he looks completely unstoppable right now, but i just do not find his new style extremely exciting.
by RT on Jul 12, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally someone with some MMA wisdom. Couldn’t have worded it any better Jake!!!
RT – GSP always has a plan when he fights against someone. This is called planning – something that most fighters do not follow through once they get into the ring. GSP is the most disciplined fighter there is right now and I love it when people trash talk the best PFP fighter. Kenny Florian is another fighter who fights to a plan and this will be seen in 101. I guarantee he will walk out of the ring with the belt.
by deadgrassinyard on Jul 12, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
RT, GSP DID finish BJ (you did notice there was no 5th round, right). Who has finished Fitch and how can you knock GSP’s attempt at finishing him? You make it sound like he wasn’t trying,lol. Fitch is just one tough S.O.B. Have you ever pulled your groin? I didn’t think so, or you would be surprised that Alves didn’t finish GSP, not the other way around. GSP finishes plenty of fights, but it’s not realistic to think he can finish everyone, especially considering how good his competition has been. It’s not like those decisions were split. GSP still clearly dominated the entire fight.
by Gord on Jul 13, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Gord who the fuck are you questioning if I have ever pulled my groin or not? I actually am an elite level three sport high school athlete so yes I have pulled my groin and that injury sucks really bad. And in no way whatsoever am I shittalking GSP, I just believe he has the ability to finish some of these guys. He has been kicking the shit out of everyone in the welterweight division and has made the division look thin in talent when it is not.
by RT on Jul 13, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
your a retard, gsp doesnt lay and pray, he takes them down, and beats them on their face, and when in the standup he schools them also. you are a know nothing moron
by dtoto on Jul 13, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You should just watch boxing if you think GSP was lay n prayn. His jiu-jitsu is top notch and he always looks for an immediate pass and is constantly ground and pounding. He also displayed some excellent standup and kept Alves off balance by mixing up his striking and takedowns very effectively. GSP has by far the best top game in the WW division and maybe mma so if you can’t respect the technique and skill he displayed last night you know very little about MMA.
by GSP4Prez on Jul 12, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Man oh man, GSP is an absolute pleasure to watch in the octagon. His reaction time is second to none and he is hand over fist better than any WW on the planet. He is the most disciplined/well-rounded fighter in the UFC with absolutely no holes in his game.
I would suggest you go back and watch some of his earlier fights against Hughes, Trigg, Karo, etc., then move on to Hughes and Fitch.
He is as good as you will ever see and some day you will realize it.
by DJ on Jul 12, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Since the loss to Matt Serra, GSP hasn’t lost a single round in six fights – against the absolute cream of the crop at 170 pounds. Some people can’t appreciate true greatness even when it’s happening right in front of them.
by Jeremyjackson on Jul 12, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
good point, gsp not losing a single round his last 6 fights against elite competiton, what else does he have to do, walk on water? he schools fighters on the ground, after taking them down at will, and also beats them standing. your right some people wouldnt recognize greatness if it was standing next to them. you are an educated mma fan, unlike most people on these sights who have very little true knowledge.
by dtoto on Jul 13, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
So bending, the 5 rounds of stand up againt Fitch was boring?
by SilasM on Jul 12, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Your in the wrong forum, this is MMA. You are looking for boxing. Wrestling is a big part of MMA and GSP didn’t mess up all those guys faces with “lust rubbing”. It’s OK, you just don’t get MMA. You think it is boxing with smaller gloves, but in reality it’s so much more.
by Gord on Jul 12, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
idk but i just can`t stand ever since the serra fight from ufc 69 it seems like he afriad to stand with people
by tz swanger on Jul 12, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
GSP will not stand up and trade now unless he first takes down his opponent and tires them. He has great striking skills but seems like he’s not confident with them anymore since Serra upset. His G’n’P strategy works for him because he keeps on winning but gotta admit he did become less exciting.
by LLC on Jul 12, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Do what works, do you build a house by starting with the roof?
by RoJ on Jul 12, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Go back and watch the fight from last night again. GSP stood with Alves for a long time before taking him down. The stand-up is how he times his takedowns. GSP outstruck Thiago Alves last night… that is all.
by SMD on Jul 12, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Gsp was dominating the stand up, so why bitch out and make it a boaring fight By taking Alves down and laying on him. Sorry guys Gsp is fucking boaring he use to be fun to watch now hes a bitch, he has good stand up and judo and jujitsu use it , Stop geeking out decisions.
by thebending on Jul 12, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
how many replies do you need to read before you understand THIS IS NOT BOXING it is MMA i would love to see some of you haters get in the ring with some of the guys GSP has beaten, its all about strategy and no one has a better game plan then GSP.
I think thebending knows abosolutly nothing about MMA he thinks every fight should be a boxing match well you should stop wasting peoples times with your stupid replies and go to a boxing forum and leave the MMA ones to people that understand and love MMA
by Kingkong on Jul 13, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
If you don’t know how to spell “boring” you’re not entitled to an opinion.
by pancakehead on Jul 13, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I personally think a great match up would be Hendo v. GSP. I don’t see it ever happening, but it would be cool to watch. Hendo seems down for whatever, and I think going to 185 and fighting A. Silva right away might be tough. I also think it would be cool to see another GREAT wrestler fight GSP.
Sorry, just day dreaming.
by Miketsi on Jul 12, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
Hendo is hardly an easier fight for GSP than Silva. Contrary to what many like to believe Silva isn’t a one punch KO artist. Hendo has proven once again that if you make the mistake of letting his right hand touch your chin, it’s over. The main reason Hendo would be a tougher fight, is GSP wouldn’t have the wrestling advantage he would have against Silva.
by Gord on Jul 13, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Miketsi do you really want to see GSP fight another great wrestlers?? check his fights againts Koscheck and Fitch this two are GREAT wrestlers
by serial killer on Jul 13, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
If u didnt like GSP last night is because u dont really know MMA, u better of watching boxing.
Any true MMA loved GSP’s fight last night.
by Teq on Jul 12, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
There is no challenge left for GSP at WW. He just walked through the number 2 in the world easily. He’s way above Thiago, and Thiago is way above the rest of the division.
GSP should move up to middleweight just for the challenge of it, and let Thiago hold the belt at WW.
P.S. Fitch is currently the most boring fighter ever, jeez did anyone see his fight last night? Talk about a snoozefest.
by rockwell on Jul 12, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
The Fitch fight was a very technical ground fight but it was not a snoozefest unless you are are just wanting to watch smaller glove boxing and not a MMA fight.
by bw on Jul 17, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP doesn’t have to do anything! The UFC needs to bring in some new talent or the current UFC fighters need to man up. WW is his division, He’ll rule the division and can retire as the best Welter Weight ever.
That being said, I’ll put my money on GSP if he ever fights Silva.
A lot of people say that GSP is boring. Like he said, he’s not fighting to be champion, he’s fighting to cement a legacy. He’s put on exciting performances in the past, against Karo, Miller, Heron, etc…what happened when he didn’t follow the game plan and traded with matt serra? he KTFO. I’m sure we’ll never see that again.
by mark on Jul 12, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
GSP isnt boring it the ineffectiveness of the oppenent in his weight class.
by mma maddness on Jul 12, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see GSP vs DIAZ, My two Favs I would love to see them go.
by RoJ on Jul 12, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be an interesting fight but Diaz is a poor man’s BJ Penn IMO and would get dominated by GSP
by jtl87 on Jul 12, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I said above before getting flamed. Maybe it’s just that his bouts are no longer competitive at all. He’s simply too good right now to be in a back and forth exciting battle.
by RT on Jul 13, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce and Affliction are putting on better shows. UFC better buy out some contracts
by mark on Jul 12, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
Groin pulls take forever to heal. I don’t think GSP will fight for the rest of the year. If he does fight he has to move up cause nobody wants to see GSP vs Fitch 2 or GSP vs. Kampman. I won’t buy a PPV if that’s the main event.
by pug on Jul 12, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
GSP is too good for WW now. Thiago was number two in the world and he beat him soundly. He should move to middleweight just for the challenge and let Thiago fight the winner of Swick/Kampmann for the title. Thiago wins this fight easily and holds the belt for a long time. GSP is way better than Thiago, and once Thiago works on his wrestling he will be way better than anyone else at WW.
by rockwell on Jul 12, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
Fitch beat Alves before and he’d beat him again
by Silo on Jul 12, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s see them do it again and if Fitch wins he gets his shot if not Alves fights one more top contender to get another shot. I thought Alves ability to get up and his conditioning were excellent if he came in with a better gameplan I don`t think it would of been so one sided and he`s only 25 lot`s of room to grow and get better. Then again GSP is only 28 and can get better I still think these guy`s are number one and two in the world but like Silva GSP makes the number two look like they shouldn`t be there.
by Beaver on Jul 12, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s one more IF for you: If GSP didn’t fight half the fight with a pulled groin, he might have really destroyed Alves and finished him.
by Gord on Jul 13, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
No way, last time he got lucky. Alves kills him.
by rockwell on Jul 12, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you slow he took him down at will which no one has been able to do and pounded his face like it was raw hamburger and all of that with a groin pull – you ever pull your groin i have and it hurts like hell you can’t move don’t know how he did for 2 rounds. Another great performance by GSP P4P number 1 in the world get over it and respect greatness because he is great no one expected him to bitch alves like he did.
by robj on Jul 12, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t see GSP moving up for at least 2 years. He has to win 3 more fights to pass Hughes for the most wins in the welteweight division (providing Hughes doesn’t win again and if all Hughes UFC fights were at welter which I beleive they were)
I think he has about 4 fights left at welterwieght. Winner of Swicks fight, if the UFC can get them Jake Shields, and Diaz, and if Rumble can keep winning and stay out of legal trouble He might be GSP’s last challange. GSP wants to be the best Welterwieght ever these 4 fights would give him the most title defense at that division, the best record, and the best record against top competition. to him from what I get he wouldn’t just go up to fight Anderson and then come back down again, if he goes up he is staying up which means he would vacate his belt and move on to bigger challanges.
With his injury now depending on how bad it is I would be very suprised to see him fight again this year. Once completly healed he could do those for 4 fights in 2 years which would only see him be 30 and then at that time he would probably vacate his belt (if he still had it) take about 6 – 8 months to bulk up properly and then start to challange himself again.
by JSP on Jul 12, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Who wan’t to see GSP go backwards in competition and destroy those guys in the first or second round. Swick got mauled by Okami and had no answer to a bigger and stronger guy on top. The only difference it will be with GSP, is he will finish him.
by Gord on Jul 13, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Swick or Martin Kampmann? hahahahahahahaha Those 2 bring nothing new or better than GSP. GSP would dominate either of them and who wants to watch a fight when the ending is already known?
GSP at UFC 103….no way. He has everything to loose by fighting before that groin injury is healed up well. Since the match up statement was made before the injury was known it is now no longer valid.
sm
by theotherguy on Jul 12, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
GSP vs Anderson Silva is pointless. It’s like GSP vs BJ Penn, two very skilled fighters collide and the bigger, stronger fighter will win. I rather see Silva vs Rashad, Silva has the reach and height, Rashad has the strength, both are fast strikers. Definitely a more interesting fight imo.
by jaime on Jul 12, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
I think Rashad could be a force at 185 if he decided to drop down.
by Jeremyjackson on Jul 12, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
the differance is is that GSP or Anderson wouldnt sit there and piss and moan about losing like BJ does everytime he loses!!!
by Spyder on Jul 12, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ, ooh. man i am sick and tierd of that guy. FUCKING BJ
by sean on Jul 12, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Why should GSP take the risk?
Stay at welterW and keep winning ! Get the money
1 more round to get your money
by sean on Jul 12, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
It’s called challenging yourself. One of the main things that attracts fighters to fighting. Also legacy and the greater ones accomplishments, the greater the legacy.
by Gord on Jul 13, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP is a WW, he does not have to fight the Spider to gain anymore respect from me. George would not be the same fighter at 185, plain and simple.
by Spyder on Jul 12, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
George won’t be the same fighter if he isn’t challenged either. He already dominated the top WWs so now what, fight Hughes again.
by Gord on Jul 13, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he could actually pull it off. He gets better all the time, every fight. He was a size disadvantage and it didn’t matter at all. He is at such a high skill level. I don’t think he would have to get much bigger. Silva is on his way down and has definitely lost the hunger, It’s primetime for GSP to take him.
by Wes on Jul 12, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
give GSP his next fight against CERRONE. CERRONE has one hella chin and great leg kicks. he has the height and reach to match up better with GSP. pull him out of the WEC, who else is there, really?
by thekujo on Jul 12, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
Cerrone is GSP’s training partner at team jackson
by Kingkong on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
First off kevin i rarely agree with your long and pointless posts. Carwin can beat lesnar he might not have the speed but he makes up with power and is the same size. For all the people who think gsp is boring now. What are you smoking? The fitch fight he destroyed him give credit to fitch for not getting knocked out. He made bj who said he is ready to die throw in the towel. And destroyed the almighty striker alves at striking and everything else. The only way gsp loses if he stay in the pocket for to long which he didnt. Everyone thought it was going to be a competitive great fight and it wasnt and there is no competitive fights at ww. Martin kampan has no chance. He doesnt have knockout power and gsp is better at every aspect. Mike swick no chance watch the yushin okami fight. Jake shields what is he going to submit gsp ha good luck. Gsp vs silva is the only thing that makes sense because nobody wants to watch a fight when they already know the results. Gsp put 10 more pounds on and heal up so we can actually see a competitive good fight.
by desperus on Jul 12, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Cerrone is a 155er are u kidding me? They said alves was close to 200 pounds. I bet silva when he fights at 185 only cuts 15 pounds. Even though he fights at 205 he bulks up for 205 fights. And there is no risk at fighting silva at 185 if he loses he still has his belt.
by desperus on Jul 12, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
The risk is giving fifteen pounds to the numer one ranked pound for pound fighter in the world. Silva at 205 is around 220 during the fight at 185 he`s 205+ GSP at the most is 180 to 185 would give up at least a 20 pound advantage to the Spider.
by Beaver on Jul 12, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson is 6’2", walks around at ~215lbs, has a reach of I think 78". GSP is 5’10" (maybe 5"11"), walks around at ~185lb, and has a reach of 72" i think. Physically, Anderson is much bigger, stronger, and has the reach advantage. I’d give Silva the striking and BJJ advantage as well. GSP, far better wrestler, but then what? Both are fast with their hands and feet, GSP probably a tad faster at 185 ‘cause he wouldn’t need to cut weight and he’ll be fresher. If anything, GSP can take Silva down and hold him there, use BJJ defense and tap away at Silva. That’s the only way I can see him win. But Silva can very likely kick, knee, punch GSP out cold if he goes for the takedown. If GSP was the same size as Silva, it would be the biggest fight ever, and would not be topped by any other fight for years afterwards. But that’s not the case, at least not now. If GSP bulks up in muscle and stretch out a few inches, maybe. To fight Silva at his worst state, is pointless. I mean what was the point of it all? To see who’s the P4P best right? Can’t really determine that if GSP fights Silva at his worst. It should be both at their very best to make it worth it.
by jaime on Jul 12, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Get your facts straight. GSP has a reach of 76" and Silva only has a 1 to 1 1/2" reach advantage. Also GSP usually fights at closer to 190 lbs. Silva is taller, but I doubt he will be stronger than GSP at MW. Without having to cut so much weight GSP will be able to add some more size and strength. It will be the best GSP we have ever seen when he doesn’t have to dehydrate himself the day before the fight. Here we go again with GSP eating a knee during a TD. Is anyone paying attention to the fact that GSP always catches his opponents off gaurd when he takes them down, so they don’t have time to even think about throwing a knee.
by Gord on Jul 13, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
i want to see this fight but i think Anderson Silva sholud have a Middleweight Champion fight first with Dan Henderson or or a another top Middleweight before gsp vs. Silva can happen
by bill james on Jul 12, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions
Where is all this talk of Nick Diaz coming from. Is this the same Nick Diaz that lost to the likes of Joe Riggs, Sean Sherk, Diago Sanchez, Karo Parisyan and Kj Noons? This is the guy that some people would be interested in seeing fight GSP? I guess I wouldn’t mind seeing him get schooled, but as far as being a competitive match, I doubt it.
by MM_Eh on Jul 13, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
if he isnot ready now hell never be ready so let them fight.
by Beast3000 on Jul 13, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions
GSP is just sick. He just beat “THE YOUNGER, STRONGER…TOUGHEST TEST OF HIS CARREER” Alves, in dominating fashion. The UFC has run out of sales pitches for GSP’s opponents. They need A Billy MAYS to sell his fights now. It’s like every time an opponent has some sort of perceived advantage, GSP comes out and beats em at their own game. No WW out there can compete. He is the strongest, the fastest, and the best in every facet. Next fight has to be SPIDER at a CATCHWEIGHT, 177½ lbs. F*ck the belts. This is for the POUND FOR POUND best in the world. Just do it DANA.
by MMASHARP on Jul 13, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions
Man you guys are forgetting about jake shields…lol shields is a joke i was just kidding gsp is p4p the best in the world
by Kingkong on Jul 13, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions
He needs to stop laynpraying all of his fights and actually finish a fight. He couldn’t finish Fitch, Alves, or Kos. BJ too because of grease. He’s very low pound for pound if he even makes the list. Each time out he looks more and more overrated.
by xxBAxx816 on Jul 13, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions
Whatever dude. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are clueless.
by Wes on Jul 13, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well in response to the actual story, not the first post, I personally think Swick vs GSP is a dream match. I am a huge fan of both and think it would be a great fight.
by theCloser on Jul 13, 2009 2:02 AM EDT reply actions
I mean, Silva did come into the Leites fight at 182, a catchweight could work… Just sayin’
by Miketsi on Jul 13, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions
the people who hate georges tend to be bj penn fans – who are some of the worst human beings on earth. As far as not being a finisher – have you ever heard anything so stupid? The guy finishes penn, finishes hughes twice, finishes sherk, beats the tar out of jon fitch, and finishes the man who beat him (serra) and people say he’s lay and pray. He had alves hurt last night at the end of the third round and, if it wasn’t for the fact he was fighting with a bad groin injury, he would have finished thiago.
by bk on Jul 13, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions
Sherk, Penn, and Serra are light weights. Get that through your head. Not to mention “Grease Gate” as well. Matt Hughes is way past his prime. Other than that he hasn’t finished a top-tier WW and has LnP all of them. Period.
by xxBAxx816 on Jul 14, 2009 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The way gsp has walked through, out struck and out grappled all his opponents since his loss to serra, makes me wonder what pitch they could sell next, “Mike swick, the guy who barely squeaked by burkman”?…just kidding. “The younger, stronger most devastating striking in the division, his most dangerous test of his carreer, thiago alves!!!” somehow I really doubt they’ll top that one. Gsp is almost a victim of his own success, he dominates guys so badly the fight almost looks boring because there so lopsided. The best fights of all time are wars that go back and forth, IMO at the welter weight division all the other welter weights have is punchers chance with gsp. Gsp is in kind of a bad place alves is obviously the second badest guy in the division, and gsp doesn’t want to move up to middle weight and fight his friends. He’s kind of in the same situation as silva, who knows whats next for gsp, only time will tell.
by nathan on Jul 13, 2009 3:10 AM EDT reply actions
Those who say that GSP simply laid and prayed during his virtuoso and one sided beat down of Alves needs to stop smoking weed and actually watch an actual MMA fight. For God’s sake this is a guy who was facing the most dangerous opponent he has faced and yet he schooled him like he hasn’t fought in any MMA fight! GSP, is simply, pound for pound, the best MMA fighter in the world today. If you have problems with that, watch a real MMA fight and don’t just bitch here without having 0 knowledge of MMA.
by Phasebook on Jul 13, 2009 3:27 AM EDT reply actions
I think you need to detox and stop shooting crank in your ass. He took Alves down and Alves got back up with relative ease. He laid all over him for 5 rounds and pull his groin in doing so. Where is this supposed BJJ black belt? Can’t he finish?
by xxBAxx816 on Jul 14, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
The only reason why some of you may have found GSP’s fights “boring” is simply because they are so ridiculously one-sided. Your blaming the wrong guy ! Thiago was boring in the fight He was supposed to be a feared striker and he couldn’t hit Georges. BJ was boring. He just laid there for 4 rounds getting the crap beat out of him. Why are you blaming GSP for the ineptitude of his opponents? You’re upset that GSP took away all his opponent’s strength, and tossed them around like rag dolls? Find a real challenger at WW and maybe GSP won’t be able to impose his will and strategy with such ease.Why aren’t his opponents going for broke and the KO in the latter rounds then? They still can’t muster up even the minimal offence to win a single round……? You’re blaming the wrong fighter if you’re complaining of some lack of “excitement”.
by mt888 on Jul 14, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
If you pull a groin muscle you know exactly WHEN and WHAT it is that you pulled. My Dad pulled his chasing a dog that bolted outside. And he collapsed. So, MAD PROPS to GSP.
by Sky on Jul 13, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
