Tito Ortiz banned from the UFC Fan Expo: The UFC 'doesn't cherish me at all'
by Jesse Holland on Jul 11, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
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"The biggest problem is the UFC in general. They're all about branding their name. We're the guys who get inside the cage. Strikeforce is working toward making superstars, not worried about their brand. It really comes down to a respect value. They don't respect me. They don't cherish me at all. UFC wouldn't let me go to the Fan Expo. I feel very sorry for all my fans. I'm here for the fans, I'm going to support them no matter what."
Former UFC light heavyweight champion Tito Ortiz talks about his exclusion from the UFC Fan Expo in Las Vegas during the hoopla for the big UFC 100 weekend. "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" -- whether you love him or hate him -- is a 21-fight veteran of the Octagon and has been a key player in some of the biggest feuds in mixed martial arts history including his two bouts with Chuck Liddell and his much ballyhooed trilogy against Ken Shamrock. Is UFC President Dana White doing a disservice to the fans by suppressing the significance of Ortiz out of personal dislike? Or does Tito share just as much of the blame?
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Oh and Dana takes his hate for Tito too far. No matter what an idiot Tito may or may not be with the business side of things, he was still a UFC Champ and he shouldn’t be cut out of everything. It seems petty on Dana’s part to me. And I’m a Dana fan.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 11, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats pretty F’d up. Tito was a big part of the UFC’s up-rising, whether or not they’ve had a falling out since…
by allamerican on Jul 11, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES, I’ll argue with any idiot on this site cause they’re all wrong and needs to stop hatin’ on Tito for being smart when it comes to business cause that’s what he is, and then they wanna go on and grab Dana’s nuts for him being the best business man alive…
by RoB on Jul 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah… Im a huge supporter of Dana White and I don’t care too much for Tito, but this is just crazy. They shouldn’t have banned anyone from this expo. Its just ridiculous.
by Syn on Jul 11, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito should be there…but smart business man…when was the last time he actually got a check?
by MM_Eh on Jul 11, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever, let’s take this out of the fantasy world Tito lives in and bring it back to earth.
to give some perspective, this is like you or I hating our boss and our boss hating us so we quit our job. Now it’s the staff party weekend and we whine that we can’t go? Just because we’re still unemployed?
I mean if Tito really was thinking of his fans he would have signed a contract and been back to work long before now. Don’t kid yourselves, this is about what Tito wants and what is good for him, not what is good for his fans. If it was all about the fans his shirts would be for sale at Walmart for 3 bucks and he would fight at county exhibitions.
On an impartial and slightly less negative note:
Good job on keeping your name in the news and attempting to appear relevant despite being in the waning days of your career d-bag… oops, that sounded negative too.
by Jas on Jul 11, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should be happy that Mania has his mug on the top story for the last 2 hours,,,,Sad. Coat tail riding MothaF.
by RoJ on Jul 11, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do u guys CHERISH me? lmao! Give me a fOCKING Break!
Great post Jas! Normally I would bash Dana for doing stuff like this, but tITO reaps what he sows. He never once cared about anything other than himself. He was always “against” the UFC. He justifies his wars with management by saying “I do everything for my fans”…NO THE FOCK YOU DONT! Tito does everything for TITO! I used to be a TITO fan growing up, but after all the hype followed by one lackluster performance after the next…FOCK TITO! Where you thinking about your fans, after taking our $45 dollars, time and time again and delivering Crappy performances..dont get it twisted, YES he has had back problems, but dont think for a second he fought through back problems for his “Idiotic Fans”…He is all about collecting a paycheck…He could care less about our entertainment.
Tito is the Anti-wanderlie!
IMO, Tito is in the same category as Frank Shamrock…All talk, years removed from being able to back it up.
by JOhn G on Jul 11, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito is just a publicity whore! does anyhone actually think Fedor is trying to get in the expo? of course not…Fedor probably wont even watch UFC 100…but Tito, where theres camera’s…theres TIto spewing off at the mouth!
by JOhn G on Jul 11, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone know the other side of this story? I want to hear Dana’s take on this before I make any judgement.
by chefdaddy on Jul 11, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bet?
Dana wants to enjoy his weekend without wondering what BS Tito is up too.
If Tito wants to see his fans so bad, spring for a meeting room at a nearby hotel, or whore himself out to a sports bar downtown. Then he can watch the event for free!!
Maybe they will spring for a webcam and drill a couple glory holes in the bathroom so Jenna can make in a few bucks too!
by Jas on Jul 11, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana would look pretty stupid allowing somebody who has constantly bashed him & the UFC to the UFC Fan Expo. Key words UFC. This isn’t the MMA Fan expo….Tito should shut his mouth and focus on winning a fight. He seems to forget wearing the Dana is my B***** T-shirt on his last UFC weight in….now he expects Dana to allow him to show his face at the Expo Tito wake up dude!!
by Pierre on Jul 11, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t know what to think yet. My hate for Tito is overshadowing the lowness of this move by Dana.
by NameNotRequired on Jul 11, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jas, tito did whore him self out to the Hooters Hotel and Casino. they are having a "punishment party feat. tito (the man himself) ortiz…….im sure they will be at maximum capacity
by child on Jul 11, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is really harsh. There are fighters at the expo that have absolutely nothing to do with the UFC and its history. Regardless of past problems Tito should be there.
by DSmith on Jul 11, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he want to be there if he hates so much on the UFC & why would they want him to be there if he was just going to cause trouble or try to be the centre of attention.
Sounds like Tito not being there was the best way for everyone.
by MoonUk on Jul 11, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
@DSmith — “UFC” Expo. UFC. What else needs to be said?
by MMACrossfire on Jul 11, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is all business for Dana. Why would he want to promote a fighter form another company. It was just like when Coture left and they banned his clothing from UFC events. It just makes sense. I run a company and I tell you this I don’t sell my competitors products. I think the people who think this is all personal are idiots. Do you think Dana gets along with all his fighters. How could he, but he will promote them because it is good for business.
by Tito Ortiz on Jul 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you want about Tito he still deserves to be there
by curtioso on Jul 11, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why give him a forum to go and trash your company on a weekend that is intended as a celebration? Tito can go to hell. He does all this me-me-me crap and lies to everyone (see his many recent “contract signings”). If he wants to be recognized for his time in the UFC, then appreciate and respect your time in the UFC. Bye tito…your time is up.
by Michael on Jul 11, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito really does run his mouth to much for his own good. He also does a really lousy job of putting his money where his mouth is. I completely understand why Dana would ban him. Every chance Tito gets, he does nothing but trash talk UFC. Why give him the forum?
by Travis on Jul 11, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Why give him the forum?”
Because people come out in droves to comment on him, like you just did. Same reason the UFC can’t help but show him getting ko’d by Chuck every chance they get…the same reason the UFC can’t help but show Randy spanking him every chance they get…he sells.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
introvert…My post was to criticize him. Not give him any sort of adulation. Tito needs to hurry up and fade into oblivion. He would’ve been more than welcome had he left the UFC on good terms. Instead, he has spent years bashing them. Good riddance…
Lesnar via TKO for what its worth
by Michael on Jul 11, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a tough situation, hope he and Dana get back on to talking terms eventually. Dana might be too hard-nosed about it but Tito expects to bad mouth the UFC and then it all be forgotten later on.
by JoeDaniel on Jul 11, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is how “Diva’s” should be handled. Wait and see what he says about Strikeforce when they don’t sign him. haha
by Ti Odio on Jul 11, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A very small one. Mir like to take damage while going for sub’s (which is his only shot of winning). A ref could jump in too soon and make this a huge dissapointment. My advice is to expect a quick stoppage and if it goes beyond that, be happy. If Mir pulls something out of his ass, go crazy, get drunk, and write a taunting post to John.
If you’re betting, you have to pick Brock.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Jul 11, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give him a 20% chance. Unfortunately, I don’t see Brock making the same mistake. Although Mir’s striking has improved, you need someone with Machida’s footwork, to be able to beat the current Brock. His only hope is Brock gets overzealous and falls into a sub, but I guarantee his sub defense has improved immensely. Hope I am wrong, though.
by Victory is Ours on Jul 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes…Brock is still green and Mir has been in with the best…also Tito doesn’t work for the company anymore and talks bad about the company, why would he be allowed in? Comparing Strikeforce and UFC is a joke, just like Tito
by Robert(1) on Jul 11, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are crazy, I give Mir a huge chance! he’s in Brock’s head, which is the plan so that Brock will make mistakes! All this talk has pissed Brock off, coupled with the fact that he has already lost to Mir once! I got +700 odds of a first round win for Mir!
by kevin on Jul 11, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U couldnt be more wrong Kev. I really like the mental state that brock is in at this time in his career.
Kevin: Picking Mir, is just as bad as when you argued with me for months about how Serra was going to beat gSP in the rematch…NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Y? Simple..Mir isnt any good. He is a pretty good martial artist, but notice i left out the word MIXED!!!!
We have a very green, but vastly improving FORCE vs. a UFC’s marketing team fabrication (Mir)
Can anyone see Brock going on a tear, defending his title 2-3 times? MOst people think its very possible if he keeps improving at this rate.
Does anyone ever see Mir winning the title and defending it? Of course not!!
by JOhn G on Jul 11, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John, Mir already has won the title. He is a Champ, worked his way up the ladder, how can we forget what he has already accomplished? He started from the bottom and has worked his way up again, hardly talentless.
Brock IS broken mentally = huge advantage Mir.
And as for Tito….bwaaahhhahahahahahaha! Loser.
by UFC Champ on Jul 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep…as soon as Dana told Brock to “sit his ass down” he has lost all confidence
by McArthur on Jul 11, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s hilarious Champ “He started from the bottom and has worked his way up again, hardly talentless.”
Hardonk…not worth to comment.
Lesnar who was at his 2nd fight ever.
Half dead Nogueira…the,only quality win since working his way up.
Very impressive indeed!
Also I can’t believe there’s a thread about Tito on a UFC 100 weekend.
Enjoy the fights guys.
by Alpha Male 360 on Jul 11, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When it comes down to it, Brock vs. Mir is simple:
It matches up a Monster DESIGNED for battle vs. a one dimensional ju jitsu guy that doesnt like to get hit. Strip both fighters of all their skills and Brock is still a tough SOB, mir, not so much. Say what you will about his motorcycle accident, Mir still got TKO’ed against Pe de Pano Cruz. THATS PATHETIC!!! I dont care if Brock had never trained a day in mma, Cruz would never KO Brock. NEVER!!!!!
Brock has been training mma for about a decade less then Mir, and Brock is still the more versatile fighter. THats shows how over rated Mir is. How well rounded can you be, if you are still at a sever disadvantage in striking, wrestling, clinch…and only have a ju jitsu advantage? The fact that Mir is only better in one aspect of the fight then a guy with only 4 fights under his belt, tells me MIR, is what I always thought he was, an OVER RATED CHUMP!!!! Yeah, I said it! He will be exposed soon enough. There is no doubt in my mind that he wont even have a fighting career by the year 2011!
Yes Mir has really good ju jitsu, but he is no Demian Maia thats for sure, dont tell that to mir though. hOw come he couldnt out jits cruz? Why didnt he even want to try out the ground game with Nog, even before he realized nog was just a punching bag on that night? Why has he never competed in ADCC?
by JOhn G on Jul 11, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito is a dick and doesn’t have too much left as far as ability goes; however, he did help put the UFC on the map. His exclusion from the Expo is simply another example of Dana’s massive ego getting the better of him.
by SilasM on Jul 11, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If that is true that he isnt allowed in thats pretty ratty. Love him or hate him indeed, he is as much as a part of the UFC as Chuck Liddell. Im not great fan of his, but he had some great fights and was very good and getting ppl excited about him and the UFC. Its sad to think that things between him and Dana are this bad that it costs everyone including his fans. On that note, i would like to see him fight Fedor.
by eightyproof on Jul 11, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He doesn’t work for them anymore….
by Robert(1) on Jul 11, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont either, neither do you but we arent banned. seems weird that he would be “banned” from showing up. Hell Yvel is there he doesnt work for them either, nor does Gracie or Baroni.
by eightyproof on Jul 11, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito is so dumb. Of course they are into making their brand better….its what makes everyone the ability to make millions!!!!
by Kirk on Jul 11, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Genius!!!, Tito is dumb, of course they want the name to be big. Anyone who hates the UFC is a moron. Dana White, boo hoo, Chopper Read HATES you.
by Dave on Jul 11, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mir is gonna get destroyed . Brocks gonna gine him the F-5,
by TraF on Jul 11, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How do you “Ban” someone from going to an event unless they have broken rules/laws or are a threat? Anyway, I don’t know why he would want to go to any UFC event other than to support fighters he is friends with during their match. He knows Dana hates him!
by Dana's a CrossDresser on Jul 11, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah block tito but not kimbo dony make no sense
by iamdanawhite on Jul 11, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They blocked him from promoting the Tito Ortiz brand and promoting his Punishment athletics, so yeah, of course hes banned…
by chris on Jul 11, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito can cry to that big fat contract he got from Strikeforce; oh wait there is no contract…. but I was told… no it was BS; Really? But I thought I could trust Tito… Damn, u know when your Right side of the brian drowns out your Left side, U know theres a problem.
by dandeman on Jul 11, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, it depends on the circumstances for this Fan Expo. If it is solely to promote UFC 100 and the current roster of UFC fighters, Tito should go curl up in a corner and cry himself to sleep. If the Expo is a showcase for past and present UFC fighters, he may have a case. Either way, it would be the UFC’s decision to let him attend.
by DJ on Jul 11, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Lashley was there, so it wasnt just UFC fighters.
by Fokman on Jul 11, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Tito… the Brand is bigger than the fighters and that’s wrong! Dana is the one to blame, it’s all up to him..
by RoB on Jul 11, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh please, take away the brand and 90% of the fighters would dissapear, whilst the other 10% would seriously decrease in value. And as if Strikeforce isnt doing the same, I mean come on… whos he trying to kid.
by chris on Jul 11, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would stop watching MMA is the UFC folded tomorrow?
That’s what you’re saying.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would certainly not have the opportunities to watch even 75% of the MMA we watch without the UFC…for a while anyways, but whose to say the next big org wouldn’t do the same thing…they would…but it wouldn’t be Dana which would make intro happy
by McArthur on Jul 11, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, there would be NO Tito if not for the brand being sucsessful.
by RoJ on Jul 11, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but either way Tito has his thing and he’s free now..
by RoB on Jul 11, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there would be no Tito? are you kidding me? did you watch the UFC back in the day… He was bigger than the company for sure! he was their boy… back then they promoted the fighters over their brand and that’s why we all remember, Belfort, Couture, Liddell, Ortiz…
by RoB on Jul 11, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he made them successful too you know, if these guys weren’t good at what their doing nobody would watch…
by RoB on Jul 11, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly mma is not like the chicken and the egg story. Dana saw a promotable face with average skill and sold it, now that is impressive.
Chick-A-Tito to Chick-A-Tita has got his head way up his ass. He’s a star I’ll give him that, but a shooting one.
by RoJ on Jul 11, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the fighters become too big then they can bail and we’ll have to wait years for good fights to get put together. They’re trying to avoid what’s happening in boxing. Tito is insignificant now. Now people only know him for being the guy that would get hammered by chuck, spanked by randy, humiliated against Lyoto and complained about the UFC
by kukuxumusu on Jul 11, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Now people only know him for being the guy that would get hammered by chuck, spanked by randy, humiliated against Lyoto and complained about the UFC”
You mean TUF-noob people.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Tito for the being the ORIGINAL Kalib Starnes. Watching wanderlei chase him around the cage was something I will never forget.
by JOhn G on Jul 11, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awww poor tito. nobody likes him anymore…
by lefthook187 on Jul 11, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would the UFC allow any fighter come in that would promote a potential competitor. While Dana and Tito have their issues, this is a business decision and a smart one at that.
by bob on Jul 11, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gilber yvel was there wasnt he? im sure there are a bunch of fighters there and maybe they actually paid tickets. this quote was probly taken out of context and he’s just upset that he couldnt get his own booth and a soapbox to preach from. maybe he coulda bought his own ticket… maybe not? none of us really know
by wingblade on Jul 11, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“They don’t cherish me at all”..lol. Poor Tito. The guy’s always such a hero/victim in his own mind. It wasn’t very a bright move to wear a “Dana is my b t shirt at his last UFC weigh in”. That, more than likely, nullified any chances of him ever fighting in the UFC again. Regardless of your issues with Dana, you just don’t go out of your way to try and publicly humiliate the president of a major company at his own event. Hope it was worth it, Tito. From day one, Tito has disrespected people (often times in a vulgar and tasteless ways. What goes around comes around. It would be nice if Tito learned something from this, but he’ll probably just keep being the victim in his mind.
by Shayne on Jul 11, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
then Tito is gonna talk about him fighting again ,strikeforce and punishment and promto all of that so he is just being a jerk .and everyone stop blaming dana he has done nothing wrong
by tz swanger on Jul 11, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heres a good quote from the article:
“Frankly, this whole thing is ridiculous. Ortiz was a vital part of the organization’s growth going 14-6-1 with the promotion since his first UFC battle back in 1997 at UFC 13. Ortiz and Dana White should’ve found a way co-exist. Tito is losing money in the long term and the UFC cost itself a good personality that it could’ve pushed for the foreseeable future.
Before you scoff and use White’s line that Ortiz is no longer a top 10 205-pounder, look at what’s happened to the careers of Rashad Evans, Forrest Griffin and Lyoto Machida since they fought “The Huntington Beach Bad Boy.” Ortiz’s 1-1-1 mark against those three doesn’t look so bad now. Ortiz hopes to return in late-2009."
the 2nd paragraph has a point….shad, forrest, and machida turned into superstars after fighting him…and without the point deduction he beats rashad…makes him 2-1 against the last 3 champs…
i wonder if hes banned from attending ufc 100 or if its just the expo
by HellaHectic on Jul 11, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great post!.. let’s be honest anybody that could fight has turned into a superstar after fighting Tito!
by RoB on Jul 11, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what happens when you burn bridges and scorch earth. Tito WAS a huge part of the UFC’s past, now he is signed with the competition.
I personally don’t see what harm he could cause but I’m also not surprised by the UFC’s decision.
If it is all about the fans Tito could go on the sidewalk outside on public property and sign, meet and greet or whatever. Nothing is stopping Tito from appreciating his fan except for his time and money.
by Ognitinoc on Jul 11, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not about the fans. It’s about making money. They can call shit like this “Fan Expo” all they want…it’s about money. They should call it “UFC fans with money Expo”
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, the UFC should induct Tito into their Hall of Fame…bitterness and personal shit aside, he deserves it…no question there.
Secondly, I find it pretty funny how the UFC always uses Tito’s losses against Randy, Chuck and Lyoto as examples of how good those three guys are…but at the same time they say that Tito sucked. If Tito sucked so badly, then why is it that the UFC replays footage of Chuck, Randy and Lyoto beating Tito constantly like those fights were defining momments in their careers? You can’t have both…either Tito was a good fighter and these guys were great for beating him, or Tito sucked ass and these fighters are overrated for beating him. Which one is it?
He beat Forrest
He beat Rashad*
He has given Lyoto the best test in his UFC tenure so far
All three of the fighters I mentioned become household names, because they fought Tito…whether they won or lost.
My prediction for Tito…
Strikeforce signs him and he fights two times for them on Showcase. Then in 2010 Strikeforce and Affliction co-promote and “Tito vs Fedor” breaks all PPV buy records in MMA history.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubt Tito vs Fedor would break PPV records but it would be a big deal for sure. Tito just needs to get some wins under his belt before they make that happen. I just hope that ring rust doesn’t effect his performance.
by RyanHobbs on Jul 11, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First the UFC is under NO and repeat NO obligation to do anything for TITO ORTIZ. He is out there tooting his horn how great the other orgs are and how the UFC sucks. Why should the UFC give him a chance to promote himself. The UFC has no desire to slice their own wrists. Now he walks out surprised that the UFC told him to go pound sand and we should feel sorry for him. Hey this is his political BS with the UFC and let them deal with it like the adult he says he is.
by dandeman on Jul 11, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post intro, I feel the tito fiasco is one of the few mistakes dana has made. Personal shit aside, he draws and is a good fighter (while never being close to 100%)
by kevin on Jul 11, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he does need to win though Kev…its been 3 years. Maybe if he was humble and didn’t make demands…he should realize that one of the reasons he’s a big draw is because of his fued with Dana
by McArthur on Jul 11, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good news for british fans.sky sports has turned down a ufc contract.thats ppvs out the window phew!!
by scott on Jul 11, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito just get out the knee pads and beg Dana to take you back. This is the only way my friend.
by mak on Jul 11, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…hell, I’m sure everyon here watched the Top 100 UFC fights’s show. Not only did they leave out any fight that Tito won (Forrest, F. Shamrock, K. Shamrock I, Wanderlei Silva, Evan Tanner, Vitor Belfort…), every single time a fight with anyone against Tito was on there, it was showcased more than any of the other fights. What does that tell you?…it tell’s you that the fighters that beat him, not to mention the UFC, view their wins over him as a huge accomplishment.
If Tito was such a shitty fighter in the UFC then why is a win over him such an accomplishment?
It’s so contradictory it’s not even funny.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
u must be the only guy in this topic that actualy makes sense. Thumbs up!
by MMA040 on Jul 11, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, but I fucked up by puting the F.Shamrock fight on the list of Tito’s wins…surprised I haven’t been bitch-slapped for it yet…lol.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello? McFly? The top UFC 100 fights was determined by THE FANS. It was done by online poll at SpikeTV.com. Did you miss when it was mentioned 20 times? The UFC didn’t decide what order the fights would be in, the fans did. What does that tell you? Your post is so contradictory, it IS funny.
by Merlin on Jul 12, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TITO (dummy),
What do you expect when you wear a t-shirt in front of camneras that say’s, “Dan’s my Bitch!”.
Get real dummy. Oh, and by the way, you suck as a fighter.
Not a fan of the dummy.
by sam on Jul 11, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito is just pushing his own PR campaign again to try and make people think he’s relevant. It’s old and tired. He is a total idiot.
If you think Tito won the fight against Forrest, then you need to watch it again a few hundred times and see if reality sinks in.
by KS on Jul 11, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol…you’re joking about the Forrest fight right? How the fuck does anyone thing Forrest won that fight? Better yet, tell me exactly what Forrest did to win that fight. Everyone says “Tito didn’t do enough”, but nobody ever says what Forrest did to actually win…well, what did he do to deserve to win that fight, besides barely surviving round one and getting back to his feet after 50 shots to the head?
Do yourself a favour and watch that fight with the sound off…that way you don’t get influenced by the UFC funded Joe Rogan and Stephan Bonnar having orgasms every time Forrest does something defensively…then you’ll see who won it.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…btw, most of us here are educted in the sport enough to not have to watch a fight a “few hundred times” to know that you don’t win a fight by sprawling a couple times and scraping yourself off of the canvas after getting beaten like a redheaded stepchild.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anywhere Tito goes, it’s all about Tito.
He was never that good….
by Youtaped on Jul 11, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IF the Fretitta were smart the would fire foul motor mouth DW and hire Tito as the front office man. There would be an immediate improvement in public AND employee (fighter) relationships. Everytime motor mouth speaks, it reaks. Where’s the union when you need it?
by charlyw on Jul 11, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Where’s the union when you need it?”
It’s coming. Funny thing is, I bet the day it happens Dana and the bros. take their money and run.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it…Dana would have a heart attack long before he had his bags packed…
by McArthur on Jul 11, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol…spoken like a true dana lover.
“Dana would never leave me…er, I mean leave the UFC”
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Textbook case of burning a bridge. If you and your wife kept your mouths shut and acted with some level of class and professionalism maybe people would invite you to take part in events. For now, keeping talking all the contracts that do not exist
by boss on Jul 11, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two words tito….Mark Coleman (just as an example)
Notice how Mark Coleman somehow appears in every one of Dana’s blogs? Notice how he is respectful of the hand that feeds him? Notice how he isn’t running his mouth constantly talking bullshit? Notice that he doesn’t act like he is more relevant than he is? Team player that Mark Coleman.
That could be you tito.
Dana may be a dick but he has the results to prove it. He is at the TOP. tito is staring at the BOTTOM.
I can only imagine the nonsense he is pushing at strikeforce with the Fedor fight.
by DubNub on Jul 11, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He hasn’t fought in over a year. Don’t pretend you give a shit about you fans. It’s all about money for Tito.
by Yourmomma on Jul 11, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
People don’t like Tito.
They only like watching him get beat.
That guy thinks he is famous but he is not.
It’s pretty sad that old versions of Rashad, Forrest and Machida beat him. He wouldn’t have a chance with the new and improved fighters. ;)
by natas on Jul 11, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“It’s pretty sad that old versions of Rashad, Forrest and Machida beat him”
Just start watching MMA did you?
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you are saying that he will 100% beat the improved versions of Rashad, Machida and Forrest? lol
by natas on Jul 11, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Tito shouldnt badmouth Dana (UFC president)and feel sad for himself when hes not allowed at the UFC expo. Wwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh poor Tito. Just go to Affliction or Strike Force and shut up!!!!
by miller on Jul 11, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all you idiots picking brock to win are gna make me rich…. i cannot believe people are giving mir no chance… its the other way around brock has no chance.. i cannot believe you guys.. but thats cool with me..
by edgar on Jul 11, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope ur right cause i loved watching mir fight and i was even hs fan wen he was down in the trash, but now its his time..
by guyverbob on Jul 11, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see chucks induction I hope the ufc releases that video tribute they did because it made me cry a little and got goosbumps up my backside. PLEASE MANIA POST A STORY REQUESTING THE UFC RELEASE THAT CHUCK LIDDELL TRIBUTE VIDEO !!
by COlin D on Jul 11, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito, like him or hate him, is/was a legend in the UFC, he helped make the UFC what it is today. He was a longtime light heavyweight champion and some of his main event fights still stand as some of the most purchased PPV’s. By all accounts he’s more deserving of a UFC Hall of Fame induction than Mask, maybe in a few more years though. Really, there should be a MMA Hall of Fame, not one owned and operated by biggest promotion.
by Belisarius on Jul 11, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. It’s not like the NHL has an “NHL Hall of Fame”….it’s the “Hockey Hall of Fame”.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
intro…i’ve noticed your hockey references before…where are you from?
by McArthur on Jul 11, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cry me a river Tito. It was ok to wear a shirt saying ‘Dana is my bitch’ and have your whore wife bash Dana and Zuffa. But now you want to be included in UFC 100.
Next time STFU and respect your boss.
by Raiderbeast on Jul 11, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
@Belisarius.
I don’t like Tito at all but 100% agree with you. Dana is also the same guy who runs his mouth about how this is all about the sport and respect for MMA. What he is proving is that it is about him and if you wanna be enemies with me then it does not matter what you have done for MMA and the sport, I will find a way to bury you. Look at Frank Shamrock. Equally responsible for building this sport and giving UFC the name when it needed the most. Did not have the same hate relationship with Dana as Tito does but he is nowhere to be mentioned either…only because Frank left on bad terms with UFC. That is it. It is about UFC and not about MMA sport and its fans - Get that in your head guys.
by Vyapaar on Jul 11, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want tito to come back to the UFC just to hear Machida talk about his “FIGHT WITH CHEETO” more.
by DirtyML on Jul 11, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You should watch Russell Peters – Red, White, and Brown…he does the funniest Portuguese accent ever.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At one point in time Tito was the face of the UFC. I like Tito, he’s no fave of mine but I always want to see his next fight. Before I got in to MMA, Tito was the only guy that I would look at and think – shit man, this guy is killing people in there! He always gets a BIG reaction, good or bad.
by Insain on Jul 11, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
introvert, Tito never beat Frank. The fight ended with ref stoppage from Frank beating on Tito after Tito had tried to shoot on him. This was a great fight though, especially for it’s time period. It will probobly never be listed as a top fight though because Dana is not a fan of either fighter at all.
Should Dana be able to put aside his feelings and allow the fans to enjoy the fights that Tito won that were part of history? Normally I would say yes, but, if you look at Dana’s history with fighters, he has been able to forgive or patch things up with fighters in the past at times. Dana and Randy were able to put things behind them, and get Randy back into the scene. Recently Dana and Crocop were able to work business out, even though things got heated. I think the problem is that Tito went to far in his calling out of Dana (Dana is my bitch). Looking at Tito’s past, I think if Dana did reach out and offer peace, he would probobly get burned in the process.
It is too bad though, because like introvert said Tito also won some great fights in his earlier career. I will never forget his flipping off the Lion’s Den fighters and coaches. Was it a class move? maybe not, but it caused a rivalry that added some interest to the casual fan back then.
Again, I do not blame Dana at all for leaving Tito out of the hall of fame, or just any UFC activities. If it does bother anyone, I suggest that either websites or the fans themselves make their own top 100 fights or their own hall of fame. Maybe some day these two can put their past behind them. I doubt it, but it is what it is.
by t.s. on Jul 11, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The funniest thing is, the UFC would do nothing but make money by signing Tito Ortiz.
He has had great fights with the current and previous two LHW champions and could more than likely generate even better fights or atleast get flattened by Rampage.
by Luppers on Jul 11, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense to have Kimbo Slice there and not have Tito who build the sport and is one of the greatest draws and charismatic fighters of all time. Mr. white you are a douche bag its not about you, its about the fans.
by bigmcmac on Jul 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I used to be a Tito fan back in the day. Now I can’t stand stand this prick! Stop whining and fight already, or just go away.
by broncos12405 on Jul 11, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair weather fan like most people who watch UFC.
all Tito did to get on the UFC’s bad side was try and get better deals for fighter(ones they deserve). and people hate him for this? you guys are such tools. The UFC is still paying some main event fighters 23k, thats ridiculous.
its seems every time a fighter trys to stand up for wjhat is right people go all ape shit. get a clue
UFC is about to make 50 million dollars today and thier main event fighters will make 400k at the most haha shit is weak.
by Jesse on Jul 11, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it’s funny, hey?
What other sport has fans that take everything the league executives say as gospel? I can’t think of any. But, the UFC fans will take a bullet for UFC execs even if the fighters they are paying to watch are getting fucked over…it’s fucking insane.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tito was making upwards off 200K for every fight he had in the UFC. That was his base salary. He aint getting a better deal anywhere. I do agree though that the mid to lower level guys are getting totally screwed.
by Ethan on Jul 11, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was the main event in 2 of the top 5 highest grossing UFC of all time(UFC 61, 66). almost 2 million PPV at $50-$60 a pop and 9 million at the gate.
he made 400K
UFC made roughly $109,000,000
yeah thats fair
by Jesse on Jul 11, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
400K vs. $109,000,000? roflmao I guarantee that Tito made more than 400k in those 2 fights. Yeah maybe 400k was his base, but what about ppv revenue that he took a cut from, and endorsements? Do you even know how ppv works? First of all, the price of their ppv only just went up to $45 in the last year, ppv’s back then were $35 to $40 or less, so with the gate that total is more like $85 mil. Second, a big chunk of that money goes to cable/satellite companies. Then there’s company overhead, production cost, venue cost etc… etc… I know it’s too much to ask for ignorance to be checked at the door here, but if you don’t like the UFC or how they do business, don’t watch it.
by Merlin on Jul 12, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t an ego issue. This is a business deal. Tito is gonna fight for another organization. Why would the UFC promote that organization by having him there. This is a sound business move
by Ethan on Jul 11, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito is just crying because he won’t be making the same bucks with strikeforce.
He doesn’t give a shit about his fans, he just wants to be in the spotlight to make good money.
by Tony on Jul 11, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito’s self-aggrandizing and self-promoting personality will always be his downfall. Tito is never in it for anyone else, just himself, and the only reason he is bitching is because he can’t be at the expo to market and sell his clothing brand. Otherwise, he wouldn’t be interested.
by Apocalypse on Jul 11, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Almost as self-serving as putting himself on the cover of a magazine?
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a damn shame. Whether you love him or hate him he still was essential in making the UFC what it is today. He even graced the covers of two UFC games back in the day when no one knew what the UFC was.
by xxBAxx816 on Jul 11, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Dana did anything wrong. I look at it this way…
If I have a falling out with a friend and then I’m having a party, I’m not going to invite that friend just because he’s friends with the other people at the party.
I don’t think Tito is concerned about the fans at all either, the guy hasn’t fought in 14 months and isn’t scheduled to fight anytime soon. He’s just trying to put his name back into peoples minds so they don’t forget about him.
by RED on Jul 11, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“He’s just trying to put his name back into peoples minds so they don’t forget about him.”
129 comments about him, on the day of UFC 100 = Job well done.
by introvert on Jul 11, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ass that you treated like a bitch on the way up may well be the ass that’s treating you like a punk on your way down, and that’s a lesson that Tito is learning even as we speak.
Does he “deserve” to be there? Meh, maybe. Is Dana obligated to call him up to attend? No way in hell.
by TheIlluminati on Jul 11, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have banned him too. Tito would have gone to the UFC event and slammed the UFC….. just like he did at his last ufc fight. He has nothing good to say about the UFC so why let him go to a UFC event?????
by ianpervy11 on Jul 11, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito is a child in a mans body I haven’t heard so much crying from a MMA fighter. He has a shirt on that said F Dana or something like that for the weigh ins at the Machida fight combined with all the negative BS he’s been talking about the UFC is he stupid enough to think this wouldn’t happen? What a moron the only reason the UFC treated him bad is because he verbaly cut down Dana and the UFC to the media and still fighting for them. Cry all you want Tito you got your ass beat off the UFC and F*cked your chances of being a UFC hall of famer and for what?
by Beaver on Jul 12, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to love Tito, but I have to agree with all the comment about Tito only caring about himself. He doesn’t care about his fans, if he did he would have learned to keep his mouth shut a long time ago. He wants spotlight and attention. I was at the Expo and someone asked Dana about his hate for Tito and his answer was very classy. I lost all respect for Tito when he didn’t show up to the weigh in for the fight with Dana. Why are you gonna call someone out and then not show up. Come on!!! Tito grow up, seriously!
by Juarez on Jul 13, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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