Brock Lesnar talks UFC 100, fake belts and robot jiu-jitsu
by Adam Wagner on Jul 8, 2009 1:51 PM EDT
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Saturday's UFC 100 main event will feature heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar, looking to unify the title against the division’s interim title keeper, Frank Mir, to determine once and for all an undisputed champion when it all goes down live on pay-per-view (PPV) from the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, on July 11.
The highly anticipated showdown is a rematch from UFC 81 in February 2008, when Mir was able to survive an opening onslaught from Lesnar to eventually catch the UFC rookie in a fight-ending kneebar early into the first round.
Of course some say Mir received a little help from referee Steve Mazzagatti, who stopped the fight and deducted one point from Lesnar for illegal blows to the back of the head.
Lesnar went on to secure a title shot against Randy Couture with a dominating win over Heath Herring at UFC 87, while Mir defeated Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira for the interim strap. Now the two titans finally meet to settle the score in a bout that sees Lesnar as the odds on favorite (-240 to Mir's +190).
As our featured guest on MMAmania.com’s exclusive presentation of Pro MMA Radio, host Larry Pepe warned Lesnar — who doesn’t have Internet access and claims not to follow stories in the press that are written about him — that Mir hasn’t been shy with disparaging remarks about his opponent in the buildup to the historic UFC 100.
"I think (Mir) is just backpedaling," Lesnar scoffed. "He’s been backpedaling. He’s had a few lucky wins. I believe his win over me was pure luck. He was getting his ass beat. Then when he fought Nogueira, he fought a guy who didn’t show up to fight him. I mean the poor guy looked to me like he was on his deathbed that night. So the day of reckoning will come on July 11 when I step into the Octagon and solidify that I am the true heavyweight champion of the UFC."
One by one, Lesnar responded to Mir’s criticisms. While Mir has accused Lesnar of grabbing the fence in his fight against Couture to prevent a takedown, Lesnar says that it was overblown and that the only thing preventing the takedown was his superior wrestling ability.
While most people think Lesnar has the clear strength advantage, Mir went on record that he feels he has the better muscle-to-fat ratio and is willing to bet any amount of money that his legs are stronger and that he would blow (Lesnar) out of the water in a squatting contest and out dead-lift him. Still, Lesnar took the high road: "If he wants to be stronger than me, that’s fine. But I tell you what, my arm’s getting raised on July 11, and his isn’t. That’s all that matters to me."
In fact, Lesnar thinks Mir’s comments are evidence that he’s an insecure person. "He has every right to be jealous. Just two fights in, I’m the heavyweight champ, and he mentioned that I get paid more than he does. He has every right to be jealous."
And if the trash-talking doesn’t work out the way Mir intends, Lesnar has some advice for him: He can always try for a career on the professional wrestling circuit, where discrediting your opponent is all part of the game. "Maybe (Mir) could have a career with the WWE after I get done beating his ass. Maybe he’s preparing himself to make a switch here."
Lesnar went on to say that he sees the interim championship — which was actually fought after Lesnar had already beaten Couture for the "real belt" — as "just a fake belt to keep the fans happy" while the UFC worked around the absence of Randy Couture, who at the time was fighting a contract dispute. He thinks the fans want to see one true champion, and they’ll get their chance at UFC 100.
Of course their title unification bout was originally supposed to occur at UFC 98, but Mir sustained a knee injury, which pushed the event back two months. The pushback didn’t affect Lesnar, who welcomes the addition to the UFC 100 card.
Still new to the game, Lesnar utilized the extra time to continue working his standup and ground games, including working with Brazilian jiu-jitsu blackbelt Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros, a seven-time World Jiu-Jitsu Champion (aka, the Mundials).
He’s also brought in several training partners who work at mimicking Frank Mir’s fighting style. Says Lesnar, "It’s not hard to do, he moves like a robot." The added training time has pushed Lesnar’s confidence to an all-time high, and he looks forward to "revenge."
In the year and a half since they last met, Lesnar says he’s improved all aspects of his fight game, thanks to some battles with tough guys like Heath Herring and Randy Couture — a fight that Lesnar says taught him patience. While he still fights for respect from the MMA community as a whole, he’s confident that he’s "a fighter for sure now," compared to his greener days at UFC 87.
"I’ve been dealing with this my whole life. I just keep my nose to the grindstone and keep training hard. I just stay focused on the task in front of me. All these things that you’re bringing up, this is the first time I’ve heard them. That’s why I don’t surf the Internet, I don’t read magazines, I don’t even read my own articles. I’m not a mark or a fan of myself, like these other fighters get (when) they get all goofy in their heads and believe everything they read. I’ve never done that."
Now just three days out from the fight he’s been waiting for since beating Randy Couture to capture the UFC heavyweight title on November 15, Lesnar is counting down the days. "We’re just going to smother (Mir). He’s not going to be able to do a damn thing."
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lol, I’ll tell you guys why Mir will win. Throw out the fact that Nog had staph. At the highest level of any sport/competition, 95% of it is mental. Mir believes his stand up is much improved and knows he can submit brock. He also knows that brock has one right hand (it’s huge though). He doesn’t have combinations, and he can take mir down, but he’ll get subbed again. I see a lot of guys picking brock, but I don’t see how! He couldn’t finish a broken Herring, and barely caught Couture after getting dominated for the round! You guys all don’t like Mir’s attitude, but Brock is a douche. That video of him hitting the door, what a baby. How many interviews have we seen him say “thats it, I’m done, no more.” He did the same thing on the E:60 piece!
By the way guys I think that blonde (hefs ex) isn’t 29 and isn’t hot. I would 100% bang the piss out of her, but I’m more into natural, darker skin and darker hair! I don’t get how some of you guys were bashing guys for not being attracted to her. everyone has their own taste guys!
by kevin on Jul 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
side note: when is carlos condit fighting again??? does anyone know?
by JG on Jul 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
soon I hope…his facebook page apparently reads that “they’re working on it”…would love to see Condit smash Rumble, Karo, or Davis
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see Brock get his a$$ kicked but I just don’t think Mur is the guy to do it. I really wish they’d just both lose… if that makes any sense at all.
I think Brock’s persona has never left the WWE and I hate that he brings all the fake sh*t into the UFC… but I don’t see how people can respect established drama queens like BJ and then rag on Brock?
by Arnold on Jul 8, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumble vs. Condit, that’s a hell of a fight!
by JonnyBoy on Jul 8, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true that is why I rag on both them bitches!!!
by Dragon on Jul 8, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just in line with this topic – Sports Illistrated posted this article : http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ben_fowlkes/07/03/jon.fitch/index.html
Hopefully Mania will follow it as I think Fitch says what we all know.
by Arnold on Jul 8, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fitch also thinks that finishing fights is not what fighting is all about.
by PW on Jul 8, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That right there is the kind of fighters the ufc needs. WAR FITCH!!!
by Dragon on Jul 8, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unequivocally, every time Fitch is mentioned PW will post something against him… That said I would really like to see him finish a fight as I think ‘07 Roan was the last time he didn’t use the Judges.
by Arnold on Jul 8, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that, Arnold. While I’m sure Ficth, Guida and others I bag on are great guys, I hate watching them fight. The bigger problem with guys who wrestle and ride out decisions is that it leads to other fighters “playing it safe” instead of at least trying to get the KO/TKO/sub win. Case in point: Marcus Davis after the recent Dan Hardy fight. Davis looked like a dump truck backed over his face, but he thought he should have won because he had 12 minutes of top position/hugging as opposed to three minutes of getting clobbered. While I firmly believe Hardy deserved the win based solely on doing far more damage, Davis has lots of precedent to make a case that he should have won, and that’s a crime.
by PW on Jul 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like guys to finish but I also like guys to win. A win is all it should be about. Another thing, even though fitch has gone to a lot decisions, his fights are not boring. He is not doing the lay and pray. Guida lays and pray and may do his monkey pounding every once in a while but other than that, that is all he does. Fitch goes out anf ground and pounds and and tries to finish. Yes you want to finish but if you are winning a fight then you dont need to be taking chances just to make blood and gore fans happy. Fitch is definately not Guida
by Lance2576 on Jul 8, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, where’s my post! nyweiz…
freakshow!!!!
by gaara on Jul 8, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
carlos condit vs matt brown would be a sick fight 2
by JG on Jul 8, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the sport evolves, striking will get better and the stand up game will faze out a lot of the dominant wrestling. Guys like fitch wont stand a chance when mma striking catches up to Boxing and K-1 5-10 years from now. You can already see the change happening in with some fighters.
by roddmann on Jul 9, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mir thinks Brock has no power and that his legs are sexier, I mean stronger. Mir is gonna get smashed who cares about the other fights just look at their first fight. Mir was getting dominated by a newbie and you can’t deny Brock was careless. 3 fights down the road and I guarantee you Brock is the one who has improved 500%. Mir is a veteran and been around for a while and now he thinks he’s the best out there…sorry I don’t think he realizes he’s still 2nd rate. Mir doesn’t know what’s coming.
by MikeD on Jul 8, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Murr hoist The Big Show up in the air and deliver an F-5.
by PW on Jul 8, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mir is whistling in the dark. He keeps talking about his improved stand-up, not because it’s true but because he’s trying to convince himself he can win. He knows he was about two seconds from being finished the last time they fought until Il Moustache gift-wrapped a second chance for him and Brock made a rookie mistake that he won’t make again. Brock is going to beat Mir all over the cage like a baby seal.
by PW on Jul 8, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mir actually admitted that Lesnar was putting it on him in the post fight interview. Now in the build up he’s talking tough like he was never in danger. I can’t stand Mir’s cocky attitude. He makes it sound as though he’s undefeated. I hope Brock wins, but Mir just has too many ways to win. I could see Brock getting dropped and then submitted.
by Shadyone33 on Jul 8, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get why people are so upset over Mazzagatti stopping the fight for a few seconds to see if Frank Mir was alright. It was multiple illegal strikes to the back of Mir’s head and Mir’s head was getting whipped around from them. If he knocks Mir out with punches to the back of the head, isn’t that a DQ? We all thought the fight should have been stopped when Al Turk got poked in the eye by Crocop to give Al Turk some time to recover and see if he can continue, so why shouldn’t Mir get the chance when he’s being hit with illegal strikes?
by DW on Jul 8, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree DW he had to stop it because they were illegal strikes. The problem was he took the point without warning, but that did not effect the outcome. If it had gone to decision and that point was the deciding factor, then yeah people could be upset. But other then that anytime there is an illegal blow you have 5 minutes to shake it off. So what was the problem? Mustachagatti did the right thing, if it was a groing shot, eye poke, kick to a downed opponent it would have gotten stopped. So Brock’s major damaging blows were illegal ones to the back of the head, therefore action was stopped and Mustachagatti checked that the fighter was ok. Mir could have said he could not continue and gotten the DQ win, but he chose to fight. Either way as long as Mir can survive the initial onslaught he fairs a good chance. Brock could not finish Heath who has less jits then Mir. I am not calling Mir to win, but I like I said earlier if he can get past the initial onslaught, take him to later rounds, Mir may have a solid chance of subbing him then.
by Da Monkey on Jul 9, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a reply to Kevin please release…gracias
by MikeD on Jul 8, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kev,
I go back and forth on this one. Honestly I still don’t know who I want to win cause both guys seem like guys I would have hated back in highschool (I was 135lbs at 18), never mind who I think will win. My gut tells me Brock so I’ll go with that for now.
I also get your point about Holly. Slap some blond dye, a bikini and big sunlasses on a chick and shes “HOT”.
I’m not saying she isn’t, but I get your point.
by Jrandolph on Jul 8, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
girls like that all look the same…they look dam hot, but the same
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Jrandolph Brock Graduated wrestling below heavyweight and was just over 6 feet so nothings to crazy.
by Edgecrusher71 on Jul 8, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like the way Brock has carried himself as UFC Champion. He has been humble and Respectful. I also think he is absolutely right about Mir running hs mouth cause of his insecurities. Mir admitted being scared and insecure going into the nog fight and he acted the same way he is now. I really dont think Mir ever wanted to fight brock again if he had it his way.
I am baffled at how so many intelligent fans that really know the game well on this site, have fallen victim to Frank “The Great White Hype” Mir. YOU guys may not be sold on Brock, but shame on you for drinking the ARTIFICIALLY SEATENED, Mir Kool Aid!
Kev: I dont know why you discredit Brock for not being able to finish Herring. Hetah is one of the toughest SOB’s in the HW division. I am willing to bet anything that I own, that Mir could never KO or TKO Heath Herring.
Also, Yes Frank is confidence and that can be a good thing…But When you are too confident and you dont have the skills to back it up, you are liable to get Knocked the FOCK OUT! Yes, Mir has power, but what Heavyweight doesn’t? Get too cocky, with a basic stand up game, and Brocks Monkey reach should get right through
by John G on Jul 8, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s a fine line between confidence and over-confidence…the good news is we will see where that line is ON SATURDAY!!!! 3 more days!!! GSP GSP GSP!!!
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree John, Herring is tough, and tough to finish. I just am picking Mir. We all have our picks. The best was the guy the other dau matter of factly calling me a moron for picking BJ over Kenny…like it’s a crazy pick.
MikeD I agree with you also, Brock has had the opportunity to improve a lot over the last year, If he loses, it makes it even worse. I think it will be a great fight either way!
by kevin on Jul 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I really like the way Brock has carried himself as UFC Champion. He has been humble and Respectful.”
That comment is absolutely false, Brock said himself he respects no one. The guy has no skills what so ever, all he has is his weight and his hammer fist. I’m disgusted at the UFC that brock even was given the chance at Randy for the title, that was absolutely BS. He didn’t pay his due’s like all the rest, he just doesn’t deserve it.
by jeff on Jul 11, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see it the same way Kev. If I were Mir I would bring up Brock being on juice everytime I got the chance. Brock is a mental midget and it would eat him alive. He gets so pissed when anyone brings it up. I think he wants people to believe hes all natural and worked hard for everything hes got. And unless you have an IQ of a golf ball your not going to believe that anyway.
by BOW on Jul 8, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get the fascination with Brock’s physique! He has quite a bit of fat and flab on him! So do I, but I’m not claiming to be built like a black man…although I am, just not my upper body!
by kevin on Jul 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!! Oh yeah Kevin, you’re 4 inches of danglin’ death!
by allamerican on Jul 8, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The door thing had to a setup. He’s just using his old wrestling antics to hype the fight.
by RobH86 on Jul 8, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL at Couture dominating Brock, ahh news flash tard, Brock won rd 1.
Also Brock has already one the stand up battles Vs Mir, Herring and Couture, there is not one case were you can say Brock has been out struck this includes the Mir fight.
Mir beat a really old and tired looking Nog, otherwise he has never looked good in the stand up ever. It is almost comical.
Brock can hold off from getting submitted, he gave the leg to him it was so basic of a mistake. Anxiety nerves whatever it was that was a gift, It was not like Mirs slick BJJ skills gave him the position.
Mir cant hold Brock off from getting a takedown and keeping his body close and pounding him. There is zero chance that Mir gets any sub other then the lower leg. so unless Brock gives it to him, he wont get an arm or neck./
Brock already worked Mir standing. This is a no brainer.
Mir is the douche and he has proven this the last few weeks.
by BADGUY on Jul 8, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is bringing up the fact that Mir has a very shallow gas tank even for a heavyweight. This while Brock is known for his conditioning.
I do not know what was wrong with NOG, some say staff infection, but he was a shell of the fighter he has been. Mir’s striking looked great with NOG just standing there getting hit, a moving target that can hit back…… we will see.
I know that “true” mma fans want to see Brock lose and the BJJ guy win, but this BJJ guy. He is terrible for the sport, he is arrogant for very little reason.
by ASR on Jul 8, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m into dark haired girls myself as well. Any blonde chick I have dealt with was crazy. Plus the darker skin is way better to look at. Hate pale girls.
by RyanHobbs on Jul 8, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think either should be champ. I dont think either are the best ufc heavyweight. That being said, Brock was beating randy in the first round. I just watched the fight again. I previously though Couture was winning that round. I believ all brock has to do is keep the fight standing. I dont think mir has the power to knock brock out no matter how much he out boxes him. All brock needs is one punch to knock mir out. Mir is not known for a tough hard chin. TKO by Vera and Cruz. Brocks jab knocked him to the ground last time.
by Lance2576 on Jul 8, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
am i tripping out when everytime i see the couture vs lesnar
that right hand looked like it hit the back of the head
by ian on Jul 8, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol at the staph excuse..dude.Mir mauled Nog. If Nog has serious issues he wouldnt have passed the bloodwork,or the physical.
by tex_mex on Jul 9, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell us again. I don’t think Brock was listening the first time.
by Ken the Hale on Jul 19, 2009 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yer great comment, 95 percent sure Mir would win haha, got dominated for nearly 2 rounds, was left bloodied and humiliated by Lesnar. Anyone who says Lesnar doesnt deserve the belt must see now how good he actually is, he can take down and ground and pound anyone he wants.
Lesnar v Emelianko coming soon yeh boii
by Joe on Jul 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like Help Help, Brock’s breaking my face!
by Nate on Jul 22, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont like how Brock insults a legend of this sport (Nog). Thats like Mir making fun of Hulk Hogan. I bet Brock would be upset.
by robbyc on Jul 8, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When did he insult Nog? He said that Nog looked dead coming into his fight, how is that an insult? He was simply discrediting the win. You might not be very good at reading comprehension, but that’s cool.
by jay on Jul 8, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness to Brock, Nog did look dead haha.
by WB on Jul 8, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think nog is one of the best but that fight he looked dead he lost before the fight started
by zzzzzzzzzzz on Jul 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nogeria fought dumb….and he fought hurt ….abut more importanly he fought DUMB
by JG on Jul 8, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nog sucks now and hes going to get owned by couture. hes done as a top fighter and even the tim sylvia fight he looked bad. id like to see gonzaga vs nog after 102 as nogs retirement fight
by Jared on Jul 8, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No disrespect toward Nog I don’t think.
If anything he is saying that Nog probably would have beaten Mir if he came into the fight looking like the Nog we all know….which he definatley didn’t.
I’m no Brock fan and I think he’s a douchebag, penis-chested, idiot…but he has a point talking about how Nog looked.
by introvert on Jul 8, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow…we’ve agreed on everything today intro…even though I’ve read half of your posts ;)
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya I don’t think that was meant to be insulting
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think he was insulting nog, the second i saw nog that night i knew something was wrong with him.
by roy on Jul 8, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think he was insulting nog. he was saying that nog didn’t show up to fight and looked like he was on his death bead on the way to the cage. i would have to say that i agree with that statement. not was sick and should not have been fighting that night.
by newkoba on Jul 8, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Nog didn’t look very good in that fight, so I think the comment is spot on.
by MMACrossfire on Jul 8, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nog hasnt looked good in ANY of his UFC fights. He was nearly finished by both Herring and Sylvia. He has been squeaking by and needs to really step up his game or he is DONE.
by stevo on Jul 8, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is his game…lose, lose, lose, lose, then win (sometimes)
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nog is a zombie. never dies…
by Syd[a.k.a."The Negation"] on Jul 8, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Thats like Mir making fun of Hulk Hogan” LMAO!!! That’s some funny shit!!! hahahaha
by BOW on Jul 8, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few lucky wins (I wonder which ones he means) along with a bunch that weren’t lucky is more respectable than 3 wins total imo
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t judge the record, judge the fighter. Brock is twice the fighter Muuuur is.
by jay on Jul 8, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by that rational maybe Brock should take your advice…he’s claiming Mir’s been lucky but the fact remains that MIR BEAT LESNER!!!
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see where I gave any advice. Mac, you don’t think it was fortuitous for Mur that MAZ stood that fight up with no warning? Or that Mir wasn’t lucky that he met Brock 2 fights into his career? Brock isn’t going to make that rookie mistake again, Mir was lucky in the sense that he fought Brock at the right time last fight. I don’t care what anyone says about that fight because my mind(as I’m sure yours is) is made up about what would have happened had he not stood him up. Brock owned him standing(10 seconds one knock down) and was killing him with GNP. So this time Brock keeps it standing and Mir has to exhibit his World Class Stand Up. LOL.
by jay on Jul 8, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jay…“Don’t judge the record, judge the fighter” is giving advise…
Agreed on the MAZ blunder…it could’ve and probably would’ve gone the other way in Brocks favour BUT…it didn’t and Brock lost. In this situation, Brock is the one making claims and talking smack of sorts. I’m not going to say anything else about this fight cause we won’t know till Saturday and I’m not a big fan of either guy anyways but I do know this…Mir is a vet and has a win over Brock albeit lucky as both you and Brock claim…We will just have to wait and see but I got Mir via RNC in the 2nd or 3rd….
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you judge a fighter if you dont judge his record?? Twice the fighter?? He has a 2-1 record in the UFC. I’m not discrediting Lesnar, but whatever happened to proving yourself in the Octagon?
by Stryker on Jul 8, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stryker give the guy a chance. He just started. Records don’t tell the whole story with every fighter. Would you say that Bisping is better than GSP? BJ? Randy? Because his record is better than all of them. So give Brock a chance to prove himself, and use some common sense, I know that most people don’t like him, but look at the talent base the man is starting with and you will see that he was built for greatness in this sport.
by jay on Jul 8, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see where your going with this jay and for the most part I agree…Brock makes it hard for me to get on his wagon with his constant arrogant statements…I know its about hype but I reserve the right to choose who I cheer for…and it ain’t him, no offense
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAC, absolutely understand. I have the same hate thing for Bones Jones. Don’t know what it is but the dude rubs me the wrong way, nothing to be ashamed of. I think after this fight there will still be people who say Brock shouldn’t have gotten a title fight. It doesn’t matter what he does in his career he will always have detractors.
by jay on Jul 8, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep…if he wins then I’ll be a lot more convinced in what he says…but I’m more interested in what Brock will do or say if he loses…FOCK!! I can’t wait till Saturday!!!!!
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t endorse Brock as destined for greatness. He was a great amatuer wrestler, but that doesn’t guarantee he will be a great fighter. Jake Rosholt is a better and more decorated wrestler and he lost to Dan Miller quick.
Nobody can predict what will happen Saturday until it happens. Sure Brock caught Mir early in their last fight but Mir was not that close to being finished. Let’s not forget that Mir had nothing to reference about Brock then.He went in completely blind other than knowing that Brock was big and strong. Mir has been on a steady progression as well as Brock. They will both be different fighters come Saturday. But Brock is far from great, currently.
by fightlifepro on Jul 8, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay, I can agree that Brock has great potential, but he still needs to prove himself before you start calling him twice the fighter Frank Mir is. When I refer to someone’s record, I don’t just look at the number of wins, but who they’ve fought (and when). Would you say Lesnar is a better fighter than Couture?
Brock beat Herring and got a title shot, ok its a business. Then he beat a 45 year old who hasnt fought in 15 months, not to mentioned he outweighed him by 45 pounds – that’s like Rampage fighting Frankie Edgar. But, that’s part of the weightclass.
by Stryker on Jul 8, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stryker, not going to go into to many details as to why Brock is the better fighter over Randy. But they fought and Randy lost isn’t that proof enough for you?
by jay on Jul 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAC, true he won LAST TIME. This time it won’t even be competitive. Brock is going to keep this fight standing and smash that face. Mir has no power in his hands and horrible kicks. And from what I have seen lately, really bad training ideas. He is booked to fight a big wrestler with knock out power, so he decides the best way to get ready for that is to train with a guy with ZERO power and ZERO wrestling. I hope Mir wants to fight standing because this fight isn’t going to be as close as many of you haters think.
by jay on Jul 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About as enough proof as Mir beating Brock their first go around.
by JaSwin420 on Jul 8, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooo Brock Lesnar is better than Randy Couture. Hey, lets just induct him to the Hall of Fame today. There’s no need for him to fight, he already beat up one of the all-time best.
This is the way I see it…Brock can knockout Fedor in 5 seconds and he still wont be as good of a fighter. Do you throw away all that Fedor has done and call Brock the better fighter? Just because of the result of 1 fight?
Jay, please go into detail on how Brock is a better fighter than Randy – don’t hesitate from referencing all of his REAL fighting experience.
by Stryker on Jul 8, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They fought and Brock won. Are you asking me if he is a better striker, better Jitz, better wrestler? I don’t get the question I guess. But to prove who is the better FIGHTER they have to FIGHT. They did that and today’s current Randy lost. Do you think that Randy is in the hall of fame for what he can do today? I will say this to maybe answer your question Overall Randy has more skills but what good are those skills if you lose?
by jay on Jul 8, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was lucky to beat lesnar the first time and beat a sick nog other than that he hasn’t had a win worth mentioning since he beat tim.
by roy on Jul 8, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol…maybe because he’s only fought Nog since he beat him?
Just sayin’
by introvert on Jul 8, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol cause he had five fights since he beat Tim. You know cause he broke his leg after he took the belt. And then instead of giving him an auto title shot like they did for Sherk when he came back from suspension they threw Mir into the mix. Sure he lost some two fights but that could be attributed to ring rust, his lack of shape, and a leg injury that should have prevented him from ever walking again. Brock beat Herring to earn a title shot and then beat a 40 year old man. They were protecting Brock from Mir and Nog cause they don’t want their new cash cow to get his leg snapped off.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Jul 8, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
theres no excuse for losing to cruz the way he did,and vera destroyed him. and how did they protect lesnar from mir it was his first fight in the ufc?
by roy on Jul 8, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying for the title rounds holmes. They thought he was going to walk through Mir in their first fight. They wanted Brock to fight Randy because it would be the biggest paying fight and also gave Randy the best chance to catch a new Brock. They were scared of giving Brock to Nog or Mir cause he was still new with the submissions. Your right there really is no excuse to lose to Cruz like that but Mir was really out of shape and I think in a rematch he could take Cruz. I don’t know about Vera but I think he might be able to beat Vera in a rematch as well, he just needed to get back to his winning ways.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Jul 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock beat the shit out of Mir. Who’s protecting whom? There is no one, including Fedor, who can step up right now and defeat Lesnar. No one. Period. AND I wish he could actually F5 somebody just to piss off all you MMA “purists”. Deal with it. He is here to stay for a while.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by Ken the Hale on Jul 19, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lucky? he executed a submission. i can see luck coming from a flash ko, but not from a submission. he made the other guy cry uncle, nuff said.
by Stryker on Jul 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lesnar is so pissed & looking for revenge that he won’t tap… Therefore I will say Mir wins by breaking Brocks arm in the 2nd round.
by Irishmikey on Jul 8, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
will you go away and sober up Mikey. Lesnar is gonna batter him
by LimerickBhoy on Jul 8, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realy want Mir to win. And Hope he does, but I think Brock is going to win. We will see???
by Owen Stancick on Jul 8, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lesner will win first round KO. Lesner is Faster, Stronger, Better Striker, Better Wrestler. Mir is Better At Submissions. Only way Mir wins is if Lesner is an idiot and lets mir dictate the fight.
by JJKID on Jul 8, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever… The Heavyweight divisions across all of MMA are a joke to begin with. Who gives a crap if some huge guy can beat people who are 2 or even 3 weight categories lighter?
205 is where the real top competition happens among the big guys, 265 is much too often just a carnival act.
by MattNY on Jul 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no mac, I agree. there is 15 pounds in between all weight classes, then HW goes from 205-265 and day of fight Brock weighs 280. there should be 1 weight class in between lhw and hw. maybe a 235-240 limit!
by kevin on Jul 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that for sure…buts its no carnival act
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is it whenever I say or hear the word carnival with regards to MMA I think of Kimbo
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Matt. He is way too heavy for the fighters he is put against.
by neeko on Jul 8, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see GG against mir
by phenomenal angel on Jul 8, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Lesnar is the guy I hate the most in the UFC. People say Mir is cocky, Lesnar has always been cocky. That’s why he is not a fakeass wrestler anymore in the WWE. He couldn’t handle the writer’s not making him champion. I don’t know why people pay to see this guy… if I wanna see a guy tackle a much smaller guy I will watch the NFL. WAR MIR!!!!
by neeko on Jul 8, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BROCKS GONNA WIN BY GOGOPLATA IN THE 1ST ROUND!!! =D
by d*locc on Jul 8, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is just plain retarded everyone knows its gonna be a flying gogplata!! :D
by Dragon on Jul 8, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predict that if Lesnar wins, shortly after this fight Dana White will start referring to Brock as a “Future UFC Hall of Famer”
by kibbled_bits on Jul 8, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shane Carwin “the HW wrecking machine” will be the one to put Brock on his arse. Carwin was able to eat a BIG shot from Gonzaga. This guy KO’s people in the first round, he comes from a GREAT camp and hes on the rise and has more MMA experience than Brock, plus he comes from a wrestling background. I say if Shane wins his next fight, give him the title shot.
I would LOVE to see Brock vs. carwin for the HW title!!!
by Chadx23 on Jul 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
me too…and I don’t think we’ll be denied
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe even as coaches on TUF would be cool
by McArthur on Jul 8, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might be a newb, but the ratings would be insane if lesnar coached, and it would be good exposure for the next HW champ Mr. shane Carwin. But none of it will happen because Mir is gonna sub brock!!!
by Dragon on Jul 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dragon, Carwin is freakin awsome & the future of HW. I don’t like how Brock is there for ratings. That’s why he was put there in the first place. I still think he should of fought a couple more fights before fighting for the belt.
by neeko on Jul 8, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only Fedor can beat Brock and if Brock continues to improve that will become a better fight and maybe a win for Brock. Carwin would get destroyed by Lesnar. Lesnar is a much better athlete, is a much better wrestler with a better pedigree and is twice as fast.
It’s funny how many “hardcore mma” fans can’t stand to see real athletes coming in to the UFC. You’re going to see more and more true athletes pick MMA and the old guard is going to be smashed.
by amacd on Jul 8, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can you say that? You are saying NOW that real athletes are coming into MMA… who was fighting in MMA before? let me ask you something? Are you one of those WWE fans that got into MMA when he transfered over? It’s not UFC Entertainment, it’s a sport!!!
by neeko on Jul 8, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s kinda funny that Mir is doing all of the trash talking a la WWE.
by roberto on Jul 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brock has done what many take years to do in just four fights? That in it’s self is simply amazing and yet for some reason he gets a lot of hate hmmm…haters is he getting more attention than your favourite fighter, are you envious of his early fame, Did he beat your favourite fighter, you just like hating and can’t help yourself? The man has amazing tools and and probaly the best HW wrestler in MMA he has been competing at the highest levels in wrestling and winning. His other MMA styles may be sub par but they are developing and will be interesting to see how much this fight. Regardless my opinion for you haters is come 100 your going to look introvertedly like a MMA moron.
by Puck Head on Jul 8, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone discredits mirs win against lesnar because he was getting beat. But isnt that how nog wins most of his fights, getting his ass kicked then getting a come from behind submission. Me thinks people just hate mir!
by alex on Jul 8, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That fight went about 90 seconds. Mir was getting killed for 85 of them. Then Mazzagatti handed Mir a get out of jail free card. Now Mir thinks he’s the greatest HW ever to step foot in the cage, and he isn’t shy about telling everyone so. That’s why he gets hated on.
by PW on Jul 8, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. He thinks he’s the freakin Muhammad Ali of MMA. Not even close Franky. It’s going to be funny when A guy who has 4 fights destroys the man, the myth, the legend; Frank Mir!
by Wes on Jul 8, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mir’s comments as well as being showmanship maybe part of his gameplan to bait Brock into over committing. Mir’s a smart guy. He will however have to utilize a perfect gameplan and employ those techniques with razor precision timing to neutralize Brock’s athleticism. I think Frank is scared. Brock may be a long reigning champ as Fedor isn’t likely to sign away his life to the limelight.
by WayofTheWarrior on Jul 8, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hi all,
love the discussion on the main event Saturday (here in Ireland some of us have to sit up till it starts at 3am!) anyway any of you guys that think Mir is gonna win again are living in cloud cuckoo land. I have put 500 €uro’s on with my bookmaker on Lesnar to win at odds of 4/9. Like him or loathe him the guy is 110% focused on his MMA career. He has all the natural talent in the world and his yearning to get better will ensure he’s gonna be the champ for a long time until maybe Fedor gets real. He has great coaches and brings in the best to teach him each discipline. One of ye were right when you said Mir is insecure like he was in the last fight. Lesnar will do his talking in the octagon- Mir should get a grip of himself, seriously, he thinks he has a record like Lyoto Machida for f*!ks sake!! Really looking forward to GSP getting a proper test this time unlike last time when he bitch-slapped BJ like he was his wee brother. Would like to see Bisping beat Hendo but cant see it as he is crap against wrestlers. Belcher to beat the Jap- go the talent. Have a nice day guys…
by LimerickBhoy on Jul 8, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Mir sure is a mental wizard.
Here’s a rule to live by kids: always bet heavily on the fighter who believes castles in Spain are 500,000 years old. ALWAYS.
by Boston on Jul 8, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“superior wrestling ability” You cant be serious!! The ONLY reason Brock beat Randy was size!If brock was 227 Randy would have taken him out easily.Brock was just too big and strong.Randy would have taken him down if he didnt grab the fence.I really think there is too much weight difference in the heavyweight devision.Brock will one day be a true champion,I’m sure,but he isnt now.A good wrestler,yes he is..I true MMA fighter,no,not at all.His size is getting him by.I want to see him fight Carwin.Someone near Brocks size.I’m still pulling for Mir.Brock still needs to earn respect in the MMA world!
by Charlie Sharlow on Jul 8, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shane Carwin is the best heavyweight in the ufc. His stand up sucks but his power is awesome. He would beat either of theses guys. But he does not make enough to get a title shot. Ten thousand a fight. They wont let a low level fighter like that get a shot. He doesnt sell enough tickets.
by Lance2576 on Jul 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar! What ya going to do brother?When Frank Mir runs wild on you! Haha,Wanted Brock to feel at home.
by Charlie Sharlow on Jul 8, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mir beats lesnar,
couture beats nog,
couture takes the belt back from mir. hi-larious…
or brock rapes everyone until carwin punches his face off. either way. good times.
by Hardcase on Jul 9, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh i cant wait until lesner gets beat by mir and falls down the ranks where all he can get is a rematch with herring ( who beats him ) and then gets released from the ufc – falling into depression after this lesner decides to lock himself away, after withering down to a picture of his former self – his confidence at an all time low he decides to officially " come out " and intrduce us to his philipino junkie boyfriend !
by apex103 on Jul 9, 2009 5:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had the same idea except it was a “Thai Lady Boy”
by neeko on Jul 9, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back to the WWE Brock- you’re trashing the UFC
by go away on Jul 12, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for anyone who is a fan of Lesnar, check out his official Death Clutch merchandise.
by Adien Mancini on Jul 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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