How about heart ( he won’t quit in his corner) and cardio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesnt matter what happened in the GSP fight Rich. Get OVER it! Florian isnt GSP. Kenny doesnt have enough to throw at BJ to even make him close to quit!

Only way Kenny can win this fight is via decision. He doesnt have the tools to finish BJ…and its not Kenny’s fault. bJ is just too tough of a human being at 155 lbs. Only guy, IMO can can come close to bJ’ss toughness at 155 lbs is Diego.

I dont think Kenny can last 25 minutes with bj Penn on top of him. Sorry, I just dont see it and anyone who thinks Kenny will be on top is sadly mistaken. I dont like Kenny’s personality, but I think the world of him as a fighter and I always look forward to his fights, so I really dont underestimate him…but bJ is a once in a lifetime athlete/fighter…People say Kenny can win a decision, but I doubt that too. Now a days, Judges just give the round to whoever spends more time on top, and that will be BJ Penn by a far margin. Only thing Kenny can do to BJ is throw those brutal elbows off his back, like Diego was doing to Clay. Only difference is unlike that leg humper, Clay….BJ will posture up and drop Bombs, that kenny’s face wont be able to deal with. Kenny has never been hit in the face like that before. BJ dropping bombs on you is a lot different from being hit by sherks t-rex arm punches that Kenny was able to withstand. BJ has so many ways to end this fight, as where Kenny’s only hope is to win a decision…25 minutes is a really long time to avoid being finished by the greatest lightweight to ever fight in MMA!!! Not to mention BJ is obviously in great shape since he was already only 11 lbs away from his mark like 2 weeks ago.

I think Kenny would have a much better shot against BJ is a 3 round fight, because he would only have to survive 15 minutes to make it to the judges as opposed to 25 minutes in which he has to fight BJ for.

In a 25 minute fight, the fighter that can finish the fight in many different ways has a MONSTER ADVANTAGE against the fighter that needs thte judges to win the fight!

with that said: BIG ADVANTAGE BJ PENN!!!!

thats the first time I’ve heard someone say advantage Penn in the championship rnds

On paper. . . yes BJ will destroy him. Lets let them fight and see who comes out on top at the end of there fight. Remember guys, A fight can go any way.

John must be high!

John, two words – body kicks. And circling out obviously for the first two rounds. Mix in some hellbows and you’ve got a recipe for a gassed out bleeding BJ.

I am and i know that Kenny will have better cardio than BJ.

No im not high, YET. Im just not dumb enough to use arguments that were valuable years ago when describing a fight TODAY! Fact of the matter is, that it has literally been YEARS since anyone has seen BJ come into a fight in anything less then stellar shape, yet the dislike that people have for BJ’s personality cause them to pick against BJ in this fight. Problem is, that when picking Kenny to win the fight no one has anything credible to say other than BJ gassed 5 years ago, so maybe that will help Kenny in this fight.

Since BJ has been coming into fights in great shape, why wouldnt a championship fight not favor BJ? He gets longer time to FINISH an opponent who’s only shot at victory is the judges scorecards!

ADVANTAGE PENN!

Kenny is a great fighter, top 5 for sure, so I have no problem with picking against BJ in this fight….but if you are going to pick against him come up with something better then “BJ used to gas years ago”…since underneath everyone’s hatred for bJ, YOU all know that he is better than Kenny at EVERYTHING. Put aside the fact that you dont like what comes out of BJ’s mouth for 1 second, bite your tongues, and admit that he wont be losing this fight!

Higher than a kite dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha someone call the wambulence.

ok, bj gassed 6 months ago? or did selective memory take that away for you?

Bottom line is. . . BJ isnt going to be able to keep up the pace that Ken Flo puts on him for 5 rounds. Im not talking shit. i mean he has better cardio than me.

Egads: BJ didnt gas…He got the FOCKING Gas pounded out of him. THere is a big difference, and Kenny aint GSP!!!!

Thats true JOhn G. He did get the gas beat out of him in the second fight with GSP. He did gas in his second fight with hughes.

Are you all mad? First his ribs were broken in the Hughes fight, a huge difference from gassing. Also to whomever thinks that elbows and kicks are going to win this for Florian needs to lay off the ganja. You don’t throw kicks at a ground specialist, at what point do you think Ken can use elbows? My best bet is Kenny keeps backpeddling trying to wear Penn out. The only problem is Ken is not good enough standing to avoid Penn like he did Huerta. Stop wasting everyones time on here, I know Penn has personality issues but in the ring there isn’t a LW out there who stands a chance against him. Get over it and learn to judge a fight by judging the fighters skills against one another and not using your own personal preferrence. Kenflo actually stands less of a chance at beating Penn than Mir does at beating Lesnar imo because Mir is actually better at submissions than Lesnar is… what is Kenflo better at?

I don’t find it hard at all to see Kenny beating BJ. Kenny might not be GSP, but he is still a lot like him, very smart fighter, sets a fast pace, excellent cardio, very well rounded, very hard to hit and even more so, finishes guys. People under estimate Kenny, Joe Daddy doesn’t go down easy (Diego couldn’t even finish him)and Kenny ran right through him in the 1st round. Not only will Kenny beat BJ, but he will also avenge his loss to Diego. BJ gets to much credit for his last 3 wins. He did beat them all convincingly, but Pulver has been destoyed by just about everyone in seconds (not 2 rounds)lately.Kenny destroyed Joe twice as fast as BJ and Edgar made Sherk look like an amature, even though he doesn’t have BJ’s KO power. Tyson Griffen also showed that Sherk is really nothing special. BJ is definity better than those 3 guys, but not by enough to rule the roost in the stacked 155 division. Kenny, Diego and Edgar are all going to cause him problems.

HE WAS ALREADY DOWN TO 166 LBS OVER 2 WEEKS AGO. That tells me he took this fight serious and he will be in great shape. I think the world of kenny as a fighter, but BJ Penn will NOT LOSE THIS FIGHT!! He is a world class fighter and easily one of te most skilled fighters in any division.

BJ Penn at lightweight = GREATNESS

Greatness (BJ Penn) was embarressed against GSP in his last fight. History says that the few times GREATNESS has been embarressed…greatness BOUNCED BACK WITH A DOMINATING PERFORMANCE. and when I say GREATNESS, I am not just talking bJ Penn..when I say Greatness, I mean: Jordan, Gretsky, Tiger, Ali….thats the type of athlete bJ Penn is when MOTIVATED…and when GREATNESS get embarressed, you better believe, GREATNESS WILL BE MOTIVATED IN HIS NEXT COMPETITION…Timing is everything, and I firmly believe that fighting bJ after being embarressed is the worst timing POSSIBLE.

Lets face it Kenny is an amazing fighter and easily top 10 worldwide, not just the UFC, and thats a BIG COMPLIMENT because most of the top ranked lightweights fight outside of the USA, and I think Kenny is as good as any or better…he just isnt better then BJ Penn.

YOU guys might hate BJ’s personality, but underneath all the HATE, none of you are that stupid that you question his skills…and when BJ Penn is motivated and fighting against lightweights…he is virtually unstoppable…and I dont say that about a lot of fighters, but at 155 lbs, when MOTIVATED, he CANT BE BEAT.

Sorry Kenny, the timing is bad! Mark my words, 2 years from now, Kenny will be the next Rich Franklin…good enough to beat every single lightweight, but not goods enough to beat the champ!

john are you nuts? how can you compare penn to jordan, gretzky, tiger, and ali. bj is blessed with talent and ability. but he has wasted alot of time and talent. the thing that seperates the previously mentioned names from penn is that they matched their talent with dedication and drive. penn has been guilty of slacking off and skating by on his talent.

Fair Point! I was more talking about TALENT-wise though!

I like BJ,

but lets not go overboard comparing him with Jordan, Tiger, Ali….

Errrrrrr.

If you polled 100 people and asked who the best Basetball player of all time was, prob 95+ would say jordan. Golf again 95+ would say Jordan. Boxing 80-90+ would say ali.

BJ couldn’t get 10 out of 100 for best ever.

So I can’t put him close to that level

I don’t agree. Jordan wasn’t that great at golf.

Bennie- If you asked 100 people who the greatest LIGHTWEIGHT fighter of all time was, I guarantee you 95% would say BJ PENN! John’s point (I believe) is that BJ Penn is unbeatable at Lightweight, and I agree.

good point haglnuts. Also a tip to all future posters, don’t compare MMA to any other sport. MMA is and always will be its own brand. Comparring it to other sports always leaves your comparrison open to debate and will make you look novice. Although here I think everyone is just being nit picky and won’t step up and just admit that BJ Penn is considered the Tiger Woods of the Lightweight division.

our senses?? for those of us that are rooting for BJ this time have been well within our senses the whole time…or don’t you remember last time?? GSP GSP GSP!!!!

thats what i was thinking mcarthur~

all us peeps on the gsp list were right!!

we weren’t on his list cause we hate bj. we just knew gsp was going to win..

and now with our ‘senses’ we feel bj will win this fight.

well, i do anyways~

lol, you know what I mean mcarthur, a lot of people hate BJ just to hate him!

same to you stink, you guys are nit picking now! Some of you (not you too) not only picked GSP, but bashed anything and everything BJ has ever accomplished. He is undoubtedly the #1 LW in the world and still top 5 P4P (possibly)

“not you too”, wouldn’t it be not you two??

just nit picking agian~ yesterday there was a long convo on spelling..

i know, i know.. im the last person who should correct a spelling error, but you are usually the first~ lol

BJ BJ BJ!!! Kev, BJ/Diego?? Who you got if it gets to that point??? I personally don’t agree with everything BJ does or has done but I’ll say this. The man can fight and I appreciate his legacy as much as I appreciate GSP’s, Fedor’s, or Silva’s legacy…greasegate just got REAL ugly for us as you remember and I got sick of it…I personally blamed BJ but that doesn’t mean I can’t look at this fight objectively. P4p is in doubt for me now but #1 LW of all time I’ll agree with…btw Kev, you gotta admitt that you did set yourself up yesterday and John cashed in…lol…did O Damn ever get a hold of ya?

I dunno Kev, there ain’t a whole lotta room in the top five for BJ – seeing as we all know Nick Diaz already occupies one of those spots. ;-)

lol…yeah kev and his “mans man” quotes and P4P list! ;)

Are you crazy? Nick Diaz may be good but P4P? Get the hell out of here, I think you need some time to think.

LOL…

i must have missed this joke~

what thread??

Maia’s thread…third of the way down…actually still on today’s page…last one

lmsao~

john = 1 ~ kevin = 0

very funny! kevin u cant blame him, u set urself up!

hah that shits hilarious johns a funny man

Nothing mean spirited about it. I got love for Kev…he just set himself up and left an opening. I couldnt help myself! lol

Kill-Flo obviously realizes there is more to life than just being really, really ridiculously good looking.

His favorite fighters are:

1. Chris Leben
2. Kimbo Slice
3. Tim Slyvia

I read it in a post last month.

his hair is perfect ;)

I wouldn’t be surprised to see BJ retire after beating Florian next month. His final act of ‘BJism’, as it were – robbing fans of a Penn/Sanchez scrap. I hope it doesn’t happen, because BJ might be a dick but he is a hell of a fighter… and he makes the LW division much better.

Call it a hunch. :-(

No way, he’s still got Sanchez to fight, then retire. I’ve been saying Penn/Sanchez could be fight of the year, but if Diego comes out like he did against Guida, he’ll be KO’d quick. He came in aggressively knowing Guida couldn’t knock out the hot dog vendor, but if he comes in like that against penn, he’s done!

i hope not!! i really want to see bj fight diego..

Same here stinker. I just don’t know how motivated Penn is anymore. He doesn’t need the money and his pipe dream of holding two titles simultaneously ran into a big dose of reality called GSP.

Add to that the fact that he was planning to retire if he did win the WW strap … I think he didn’t want to go out on such a crushing defeat, and that he wants to end his career on a high note.

The guy could be training his ass off in a gym, or he could be relaxing on the beach in paradise smoking gaggers and receiving hourly reach-arounds from his sycophantic training partners/fan club. I think we’ve seen enough of BJ’s work ethic to guess which way he’s leaning.

It’s a possibility JJ!
He,will have then all the time to consecrate to his cult beginning Jan 1st!

LOL @ the hot dog vendor comment by Kev, and Alpha’s cult consecration comment (say that three times fast)too! I missed you bastards! Been in LA helping out at a conditioning clinic for Junior hockey players. I see lots has been going on while I’ve been away … particularly stoked about the way UFC 104 is shaping up!

you bet JJ…actually, 100, 101, 103 and 104 all look sweet!!

Yeah Mac. Not so sure about 103 yet … they still need a main event, no?

Glad your back JJ…Who is supposed to be on the main card at 103?

Mike Swick vs. Martin Kampmann*
Josh Koscheck vs. Frank Trigg
Efrain Escudero vs. Cole Miller
Hermes Franca vs. Tyson Griffin
  

• #1 contender bout

my mistake…102 looks good and 103 needs work

my guess is they will just use cain vs carwin which honestly i don’t mind. itll be nice to see cain get ktfo

even with Swick/Kamp it needs work no?? With a win I’ll assume we’ll see GSP/Silva before either Swick or Kamp get a shot

102 looks deep… but the main event is years past being a huge fight. Also, it looks like 103 won’t have a title fight… I can’t remember two PPVs back to back without a belt on the line. 103 desperately needs a big name or two if it wants to sell itself. Liddell, Franklin and Wanderlei are all available…

Jared, Cain/Carwin is already happening at 104. That’s what got me so stoked about that card in the first place. Machida/Shogun AND Carwin/Cain #1 contender fight? Wow.

and seeing as how you just got back…rumour has it that Luiz Cane has called out Franklin (just read that today)…not a main event but not bad

im hearing that as well~

franklin vs banha would be off the hook!!

all the next 5 cards are going to be great..

i hope they continue with he madness!!

Yeah Mac, they have to do better than that. Nobody knows who the hell Cane is, he’s not main event worthy. Throw Liddell against Franklin for his last hurrah, and maybe give Wand a warm-up fight against a MW banger… then you’ve got a card.

you bet…title fights are nice but gimme 3-4 BIG fights per card and its all good ;)

jeremyjack~ i dont think it would be main event..

thats a stretch if u ask me.. most likely ‘co’ co-main event..

is Leben scheduled…RichéBanha AND Wandy Leben to finish off the card…what ya think. Also, maybe theres truth to the arrival of Vitor

Leben’s fighting at 102. That would be a barnburner though, while it lasted.

I’ve heard rumors of Liddell/Franklin, and I hope that sticks. And Wand/Leben should be a scrap. Add those to 103 and you have a deal. I think Franklin is a bit too high up for Cane. He should get Kryztoff. Would be nice to see him shut up by Banha.

What about Wand v Drew Mcfedries that be a stand-up war!

yeah for one second, Mcfedries would destroy him!

You crack me up tonight, RoBerto. If Cote can dummy McFedries then Wand would fucking murder him.

JJ I usually agree with you, but you don’t give Cote enough credit. Did you see McFedries last fight? That’s why they keep him around, he is a great stiker. That’s about all he is good at and it won’t win him any belts in MMA, but he hits like a mac truck and has waaaaay more technical boxing than Wandy. If you don’t have the chin of Cote (and nobody does)and you don’t take McFedries down, you are more than likely getting KTFO and quickly. I would love to see those to fight.

Even if Diego won, which I dont think he could beat BJ or Kenny at this point in all theyre careers, he definitly wouldnt SMASH either of them

All good buddy, Je comprends ton point mais moi quand je vais en Ontario je me fais pas bien traiter donc sa va des 2 bords… BJ c’est un cave arrogant.. P-e c’etais de trop mais c’est quand meme vrai ;)

Typical Ontarian mentality here Dredg XI even if your born in Qc.The only place where you,can find a little bit more resistance face to English language are pass Qc City.From Qc city to Qc/Ont border peoples,will try very hard to speak to you in english.I don’t understand your opinion of “Hole of a province” either?Please tell me why Ont is,so much better?

lol thanks for making me polish up on my French. Took me a couple reads to get it, but I did.

You’re right though, it definitely goes both ways. I live in a town in Ontario where there’s A LOT of French people, and yeah, some of the people I work with hate it when they get French people sat at their tables…lol

lol read Alpha, I said Ontario sucks too.

And I also know what you mean about a lot of people making an effort to speak English. But in my experiences, that’s only about 50/50. No matter where I am in Quebec.

And trust me, I spend plenty of time there between fighting (most of my fights happen in Quebec) and my family.

But don’t worry, Ontario is going right down the crapper.

An Ontarian and a Quebecer were walking along the beach and saw something shiny in the sand. They both grabbed for it, but neither would let go. A puff of smoke came out and a genie appeared and shook his head.

Genie- “Since neither of you will let go, I will grant each of you 1 wish, instead of one of you three wishes”

The Quebecer grins and jumps up excitedly – “Excellent. Our province should be its own country, and to keep the Anglophones out, please build an unscaleable wall around Quebec!”

The genie claps his hands together and a gigantic wall surrounds Quebec.

The genie turns to the Ontarian and raises an eyebrow.

The Ontarian glances over at the wall and says “Fill that up with water.”

Well I figure that,with the exception of BC…Ont was the,only place in Canada worthy to be,compared to the “hole of a province”.That’s why i’m asking you to express the reason of your complain.
I don’t like Jason McDonald and I found him anoying.I don’t go bashing at Albertain peoples or saying that,they have a shitty province btw.

Anyway it’s all good…what team are you with Dredg XI?Are you fighting in TKO?

Good one Big D!

I’m with Fight University.

And TKO has been done for over a year…

Alpha’s quote:

“I don’t go bashing at Albertain peoples or saying that,they have a shitty province btw.”

Don’t worry buddy, I’ll take care o’ that for ya! Albertans are like BC’s retarded step-brother we keep chained in the basement when guests come over for dinner!

I meant…if you fought in the org before!
I train at Knoctogone…but I can’t call myself a fighter yet.

LOL thanks bro…I couldn’t agree more with you!They have great taxes there though!

lol~ at the quebec joke..

i visit canada very often, and all my canadian friends in bc and ontario call it queerbec..

they explained the hate between the provence’s[spelling?].

i never knew before that queerbec wanted to be there own country.

btw sarah~ i hope u knew i was just joking the other day, :)

I would pay a dollar to see that, Sarah. An AMERICAN dollar, which is like a buck and a half to you.

I got burned last week for commenting on one of sarah’s posts but this one for sure has got my imagination workin’ overtime!!!! :lol:

LOL!

Hey, if you let lady reporters into NFL and MLB locker rooms, they can’t complain when they hear dirty jokes. Am I right fellas? Yeah, high 5!

oh PW i could out joke anyone here..i am the undisputed queen of jokes..i could rattle off over 2 hours of jokes non stop..and i know cuz someone dared me to while on a long drive..i’m almost starting to believe there are no new jokes..feel free to surprise me though!!

Solid point, Mac…..

Look at Penn’s record and who he’s beat. He has wins over GSP and Matt Hughes, two of the best welterweights ever. Not to mention many other noteables like Din Thomas, Jens Pulver, and Joe Stevenson. He dominated Sean Serk. The dude even went up in weight and hung with Machida for 3 rounds. He’s one of the best fighters in the world man. Like him or not, he has earned every bit of credit he gets. (And most of the shit he gets as well, IMO.)

ur post is spot on, aside from penn beating gsp..
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when did that happen .lol~

He has a win over GSP? I must have missed that fight.

well I considered it a win… their first fight I mean. Lol. my bad, minor brain fart there. sorry guys. (and GSP!)

He only has wins in what like 3 different weight classes and went 3 rounds with a Machida that outweighed him by at least 30 points not to mention he has beaten 2 Gracie’s at weight classes that aren’t even close to his natural weight. Oh and he has held belts in both LW and WW. Damn the guy has done nothing.

I guess when he makes Florian look average, people will see why BJ is the best Lightweight in the world.

Hey, i’m a big boy and i’ll admit when i’m wrong. If BJ Penn makes Kenny Florian look average, i will tip my cap and eat my crow. I just don’t see it happening. I’ve been consistently watching the UFC events since about UFC 45 give or take a few. In that time, i just can’t recall BJ Penn doing anything that would make me think of him as a “legendary” fighter. I’m impressed with his win over Sherk. His wins over Stevenson, Pulver and Din Thomas don’t really do much for me. I do remember him getting manhandled by GSP, and an argueably over the hill Matt Hughes. It also doesn’t help that he acts like such a punk. I guess we’ll find out in a few months. That’s what i love about the UFC, they make all the great fights happen.

Considering he didn’t start taking cardio seriously until after he came back to lightweight and it has showed.