Frank Mir: It will be a short night for me if I'm cocky

There are not enough huge guys to make a division like that. There aren’t many Brock Lesnar’s walking around right now.

They been playin around with that cruiser weight idea for a while now; I don’t think it would ever happen but it would really benefit guys like Cro Cop, AA, Couture, Nog, Valasquez; they’re undersized when they go up against the guys that weigh a solid 250+ lbs.

225-235 should be the max for HW.
There is too much of a size discrepancy, which gives Bork an automatic advantage, but maybe that’s what Dana White wants. Either have a SHW division or make Lesnar cut weight.
I wish they had weigh-ins the day of the fight, I still think it’s BS that fighters walk into the octagon with 15 extra pounds and it’s legal.

Lesnar is cutting weight; he doesn’t walk around at 265 lbs, he’s got to cut like 20-30 lbs to make the HW limit as is.

haha Bork.

I know that was probably a typo but I like it.

Alright, here is my idea for the weight divisions. In the lower wight classes it goes up every 15 pounds up to 185. Then Light Heavyweight should be 200 instead of 205. This would help the smaller light heavyweights out as well such as Wandy or Henderson who didn’t want to go to 185 for a while.

Then at 215 or 220, you can have a cruiserweight division. (keep in mind when I say 215 or 220, that means guys that are 230 can cut down to the 215 or 220 limit.)

This leaves the guys that are basically 230 and higher in the heavyweight division. They could also choose to cap the heavyweight division at 270 instead of 265.

What do you guys think?

The problem is as naturalshadow describe it. There just isn’t enough legit 250 pounders. I mean you would need at least numbers like Brock, Fedor, Josh Barnett, Brett Rogers, Tim Slyvia, Gonzaga, Werdum, Kongo, and a couple more just to make the division cometitive and the problem as you already know is half of who I just named aren’t in the UFC.

Fedor’s never weighed 250lbs in his life!

Well if he tags Brock with a good shot the wrestler instincts are gonna kick in and the fight will go straight to the ground. The only reason the Couture fight stayed standing like it did was cause Brock gave up on trying to wrestle with Randy.

good point Odamn: I dont think Brock has even uttered a word about this fight yet and I love that approach. Let Mir, shoot off at the mouth on a daily basis….while Brock is quitely plotting a MURDER!

Frank “Hands of steel” Mir! lmfao! “…If I’m cocky”-Mir. when is he not cocky? Guess its going to be a short night for Mir.

and doesn’t that speak volumes for Randy. I was really sad when that shot caught him behind the ear. I felt the dandger every time Randy gave him space. If Randy would have kept the entire fight shoulder-to-shoulder Brock might have been tired in the fourth or fifth giving Randy an opportunity to finish.

Anyway, I don’t get all the hate for mir saying he will win and saying how he thinks it will happen. Even when he does come off cocky, bid deal. Since when is that such a huge crime. I guess I don’t mind cocky guys in genreal. Maybe b/c I’m….well, I call it self-confident.

Yes, Brock wins, but why does Mir have to shut his mouth, take a beating, and go away. That’s asking a little much of him isn’t it?

Not sure where you get that. Brock just came out the other day and said that Frank wasn’t a particularly skilled or smart fighter and that he was simply “lucky” in his fights.

Neither guy bothers me with the talk…it’s all fight hype.

Well the point is Ovaries that these fighters should know their place. If they aren’t supposed to beat somebody they should shut up and lose already. I mean what makes Mir think he was supposed to beat Nog? zomg its ridiculous he isn’t good enough to beat Nog we should take that win away from him. He should also say he’s scared and Brocks punches hurt him bad last time so he’s thinking he can’t win unless he gets lucky. Man thats all we’re asking… in case anyone can’t tell, that is called sarcasm

Great post Cogito, cept for the last sentence there, I didn’t read that part; but the rest of your post is solid and %100 spot on! I think you put it the best. Bravo.

Funny Cogito. Mir must remind some people of someone who bullied them or something. But I don’t see Mir just putting people down all the time ligh Hughes. He usually talks about why he feels like he’s better than his opponent….seems reasonable.

take away the sarcasm, and you got a great post! lol

I’d be happier with

“Look at that guy; I’ve got no F*cking chance here people. When I accidently beat Noguera, and realized that I was going to have to fight Brock Lesnar; I pissed right down my leg right then and there.”

Lol nice one O damn and john

I am enjoying this even though we’re on different sides.

How about this. “You all know I curled up like a little girl the first time and the ref saved me.” This time I plan to go full-fetal position immediately and just collect a paycheck. I act cocky because I have a small penis. Brock is a real man whereas I’m just a man bitch. I’m not even top 20 really. I’m sorry for putting on a farce matchup. I’m going to quit after my loss to Brock and kill myself."

Or would John say, “This guy is so arrogant. His penis isn’t small, it’s tiny. And not top 20, no shit…he’s not even a legit pro. And why do we have to wait until after the loss for him to kill himself. Can’t he do it right there in ring?”

Okay, I think I’m done

LMAO

LMAO…right on punch!

I LOVE IT! lol

That was pretty good. haha

I’d bet $$ on Herring if he and Mir fought.

I would also bet money on Herring over Mir. Hearing would beat the crap out of Mir!

Get real, your hate for Mir has blinded you beyond a doubt. Mir would easily submit Herring.

He wouldn’t!

I think Herring would TKO him, Heath isn’t dumb enough to go to the ground with Mir and it’s not like Mir’s TD’s are the greatest thing since sliced bread either.

I don’t know if Mir would even beat Herring.

no i just honestly dont think Mir is any good….why is that so hard to believe?

Nog and Fedor cant submit Herring but Frank “Gracie-God” Mir can? Yeah right. And on the feet, we know who wins that one too.

Hey, get off my nuts. I got Mirs back, I’ll jump in there and fight Brock with him. Whats up!

It looks like you would jump in to bed with mir too if mir asked you too.

WAR MIR!!!!!!!! Break Brocks “Black Mans body”

my boy Justin McCully would have a good chance against Frank Mir too, and that was why the UFC decided to not let Mir fight him, and to justify Mir’s win over Lesnar they let Lesnar beat Herring and Couture so Mir would look better, and then Mir got the biggest luck ever when he fought an injured Nog…

Actually Anderson talks alot of crap, which is one reason i don’t like him.

When has he talked crap example please Blackbeard.

Hey anyone that has the balls to talk about sleeping with Brock Lesnar’s wife before a fight wins me over as a fan for life.

Sable mmmmmmmmm

I’ve just thought, isn’t is a bit weird that she still goes by her ring name?

Wonder if Doink The Clown introduces himself as such at parties?

I thought Doink was one of the guys in ICP?

Whats ICP?

Not even worth bringing up :(

lmao trailer trash music nick j thats all

I just saw some dude this week driving around with an ICP sticker in his back windshield. And the car wasn’t even old enough to have been made during ICP’s very brief hey-day. Kind of sad, really.

No I don’t hate on Mir for winning (actually, like him as a fighter). I hate on Mir for running his mouth non-stop. Hype your fight, okay.

It is just the way Mir carries himself pre and post fight. Also, I don’t put too much stock in what the TUF editors show us. That said, Mir looked like an ass after TUF with all the talk and continues to look like an ass with all the talk.

One Juco, one NCAA.

Ju-co doesnt count lol, just kidding

Maybe one and a half then.

Anyone with decent stand up technique would see the ham hocks coming a mile off and counter him all day.

Someone is gonna expose Brock as the big, crude lump that he is and then all this talk will cease. As strong as he is he still couldn’t put away a cowering Heath Herring in 3 rounds of him just lying on all fours and I thought GnP would be his strong point.

Please tell me who this great HW striking technician will be to expose Brock. And dont say Cro Cop!

Heath Herring is a veteran who’s fought everyone and in full turtle shell mode. Very hard to put away especially in your third mma fight.

Attak its starting to sound like you are a bit of a lesnar fan, i mean come on, its one thing to hate Frank, but to like Lesnar??? Thats bush league attak lol

I do like Lesnar, I think what he’s achieved so far is remarkable, even more so seeing as he’s fighting the biggest ballbag in the whole of the UFC.

What is wrong with liking Lesnar? I don’t watch wrestling so I have no idea what he did wrong there, but why does everyone hate him? Was he a bad guy or do something prior to UFC? Besides the steroids he took for Vince was there any other reason not to like him?

I think guys dislike on Brock because he’s seen as all power and no technique. The kind of guy that will just bully people around in the cage, lay on them, and win by decision. He’s not a finisher (yet), and fans like technical guys that finish fights. Other than his massive size and notoriety from the WWE, Brock is a boring MIXED martial artist.

Look at the other UFC Champs: BJ Penn, GSP, Anderson Silva, Machida. All technical, all can stand, all have sick jiu jitsu, all can finish. Remember, the average UFC fan didn’t even know who Machida was until he started finishing guys.

I give it to Brock though. He’s accomplished more in what 3-4 fights than most guys will do in their whole careers.

Lesnar has been tested hundreds of times and never came up positive. Not in the NCAA, not in WWE, not in the NFL, not in UFC. Yes, he is a big scary man, but he has always been a big scary man. He wrestled collegiately at about 290, which is right about where he was in WWE.

PW you can pass hundred tests, and still get caught one day… I don’t know if that’s possible anymore though cause he might not be “on” something these days…

There are many Silva’s in the UFC, none of which are fighting GSP, but we know what you meant, the Brazilian.

There’s just too many damn Silva’s in this sport…

Fair enough PW haha

although scared to write this on this site bc i agree with you, but Mir is the much better fighter. I think Mir will win. In fact, i think he should be the favorite. Mir is really smart, knowledgeble, and completely underrated. He is certainly deserving of this title shot and when he beats Brock for the second time, there should be no doubt that he is the #1 HW in the UFC.

No problem dude. I used to be somewhat of a Mir fan. But he turned me off.

Frank’s not a dick, dude, he is just super cocky.. Trust me I dont like him either.. And yeah, Brock IS kind of a prick, but he’s an honest and entertaining prick, and I dig it.. The ONLY thing I didnt like that hes done is when he did the rope wrangling thing after the Herring fight. Before the fight = hillarious… after the fight = disrespectful.

Whether you think Frank Mir is a dick or not, that doesnt make Brock Lesnar NOT a dick. The guy is a snide, jerk who doesnt exactly come off as fan friendly. Maybe to some people it doesnt matter how fighters carry themselves, but I prefer a fighter who is going to be up front, and confident with his opinions, than a guy who doesnt even think enough of UFC fans to even embrace them. I literally see Brock in the UFC for the same reason he was in the wwe, MONEY!!! Now I know what im saying is just speculation, but its just my opinion

I must be a dick too, because I go to my job for money.

Yea, but with all due respect to whatever it is you do PW, your soul motivation at your job is just money. When someone is lucky enough to become a a pro athlete, the money is pretty much guaranteed, but the passion and love for the sport you play should be the most important thing, and i dont see that with lesnar. I just dont think he cares as much about mma as most of the guys who do it for a living.

He cares enough to put in the 6 or 8 hours a day in the gym. Some guys, Wandy comes to mind, love fighting enough that they would do it for free. Brock is a very marketable commodity with a limited shelf-life. He’s capitalizing on it and working very hard at it.

I dont’ think Brock’s main motivation is money; he’s already rich, he can walk away right now, retire and live comfortably the rest of his life. He doesn’t make anywhere near what he made in the WWE.

agreed ~

i dont think its his “main” motivation, but money is a reason for all fighters who fight~ even wand!