i’ve been around…. i always check out what people post, but rarely post anyththing myself. i still find myself agreeing with the same people, and disagreeing with a lot of…well…“the other people”.

but believe me, i’m still on mania 5 or more times a day to check out whats new!

Did Frank “5 Minute” Murr just say that Brock will get tired??? If Murr thinks Brock is slow and tired, then the untimely death of Murr is a foregone conclusion.

I know what you mean allamerican. I find myself posting less than I used to. Maybe I spit the bit right out of the gate. I usually just jump in for the occasional, friendly insult, or a note of agreement.

DANA WHITE NEEDS to sign Vitor ASAP! Not only is their a great fight on the Horizon between Vitor and Anderson, but mr. Wanderei Siva is said to be fixated on getting a rematch with the man who embarressed him in brazil (Vitor)!

 "Sooner or later [the rematch] is going to happen. I’m ready to face anyone, including him." – Wanderlei!

Now thats an epic match up right there!

Interesting comment by Murr seeing that he is KNOWN for having bad conditioning and in thier first fight, it sure looked like Brock’s punches were quicker than Frank’s.

Looks like Murr is wrong on all accounts here except saying that Lesnar is powerful.

no doubt John…the possibilities are endless with Vitor in the UFC…AS maybe but I could see him really doing a number on Wandy

I think you guys misunderstood what he meant.
He was talking about big training partners. They are not fast enough so he had to get Forrest.
Brock is a very unique Heavyweight so you wont be able to get someone similar to train with.

Ah yes, just re-read the article and it makes sense now. He’s trying to prepare for brock’s speed by bringing in faster guys. God I hope Mir wins somehow. I mean everything about brock is awesome, except the person he is.

John, Vitor-Wandi II would be awesome. I’ve never seen anything like their first fight, Vitor’s hands were so quick it was scary.

Lesnar is really quick for his size, he’s proven that in all of his fights. Cardio may be a question mark, as he seemed to tire against Couture, but it’s definitely a weak point for Mir, so it’s smart for him to work on this with cardio machines like Forrest. I have Lesnar winning by TKO, but if Mir is training as hard as he is implying then this could be the best that he has ever looked, and I hate Mir so I’m starting to get worried.

To be honest this article is pretty misleading, normally Mir says some dumb things but in this case all he said was that he wanted to train with smaller, faster fighters like Forrest. Sure he has to train with some big wrestlers to be prepared for Brock but Forrest should be an excellent training partner for Mir.

Mir is full of crap. He said Forrest is his worst nightmare? hahaha!!

I don’t know anyone else who would actually say Forrest is tougher to fight than Brock Lesnar.

ProKev, I interpreted it as Mir saying that Forrest is a tough training partner who pushes him further than a big bulky guy would, which is why he’s training with him instead of a large HW for Lesnar, he’s not actually dismissing Lesnar as being too big and slow as far as I can tell. Forrest is a cardio machine and has one of the best work ethics in MMA, whilst Mir is notorious for being lazy so for once I can see his point.

There is a chance that Mir will come into this fight in the best shape of his life, so that has me worried for Brock’s chances as Mir’s cardio has always been what has held him back.

just pure crap and a freakshow!!! ufc 100 is headlined with a freakshow enuf said…

Actually Lesnar didnt look like he liked getting hit at all when he fought Randy. I know Mir isnt known for his power either, but I bet he hits a whole lot harder than Randy. Im not saying Mir wins this fight, but we havent seen how Brock reacts to getting hit with a hard combo.

yeah, that’d be a safe bet… Vitor would win everytime

kevin i totally agree pity vitor is probably on a new form of synthetic steroid that usain boldt, manny pacquiao and michael phelps are taking. thats kind of a joke so dont take that the wrong way folks
what an improvement from his cage rage fights, i mean he looks like thiago alves( a little pitbull)

No it wouldn’t be worthless, there’s a big difference between Forrest Griffin taking you down and a big HW fighter taking you down; a diff between moving around, locking up subs and getting up from under a guy like Forrest and doing the same with a huge HW fighter. Not to mention the insane reach that Lesnar has that everyone is going to have to deal with. You don’t train with a LHW guy that you can bully around and out muscle when the guy you’re going to fight is bigger and stronger than you are IMO. And to top that off, like Mac said up above; to sit here saying that Lesnar is slow… He must be blind.

I’m just saying, he’s going to train with small fast guys, then he’s going to step into the ring with a guy thats 280 lbs come fight night, 87" reach or so; who’s stronger and bigger than he is. He was better off bringing in Shane Carwin, Tom Erikson, or someone, anyone with big size and good ground skills.

He’s training with Forrest on his stand up. Don’t know why you think he’s trying to use Forrest as a Brock dummy but I’m pretty sure he’s just trying to get used to a barage of punches and endurance by training with Forrest. A decent call but I would also make sure I’m training with a big power puncher and an amazing take down artist. Sherk is to small to match Lesnars strength but I’m sure he could teach Mir better take down defense. Valequez would be a good choice to train with against Lesnar but if Mir really wants to win he should go train with Fedor lol. I’m a little depressed to hear this tho because it seems like Mir isn’t focusing on the right aspects of his game, but I thought the same thing before he fought Nog and I still rooted for Mir to win and he did. So here’s nothing, Mir by achilles lock in the first. (I don’t think Mir can survive to the second unless he has ground control the whole first)

Blah, who knows, it says he’s got some big guys in the cage writer article; I guess we’ll see. I still don’t think 10 Forrest punch’s are going to equal 1 shot from Brock but time will tell.

way to take control Odamn. Its really not my intention to come on this site evry day and Bash Frank Mir, but how else could I possibly respond to this?

HOw in the world does training with forrest to fight Brock make any kind of sense? Frank Mir should be training with a guy like Shane Carwin, or bobby Lashly….If I were Mir, Forrest is the last person that would want to prepare me to fight Brock. LIke I said, Mir should be grappling with guys like Carwin and Lashley, and be sparring against someone with a lot of power, and a super long reach….I dont know how Forrets fits the bill in either of these scenario’s. I am baffled by this quote!

and what the hell is Mir talking about Brock being slow? if Brocks slow, what does that Make Mir? Brock weighs about 45 lbs more then Mir, yet Brock is still the faster of the two, and I dont even think its close. Mir isnt 1/10th of the athlete that Brock is.

I dont get this quote at all. I am completely Baffled!

All I know, is half my knot will be riding on the bROCKness MONSTER come July 11th!

good post Johnny Boy

That was like a red rag to a bull, good post john.

Bobby would be a good idea… i dont’ think there is anyway Shane Carwin would want to train with Mir as they could be fighting anytime

misinformation? I don’t believe anything fighters say about thier pre-fight training anymore. And I don’t listen to Mir. He’s big into the psych part of the game so he says what he thinks will help not what he’s really thinking. After the fight he may speak a little truth…….if he can speak.

Lol I can’t say I disagree, I was just trying to make sense out of why he’s training with Forrest. After my first attempt was obviously rebuttled I guess all I can go with is he’s playing mind games with Lesnar. Trying to throw him off his game, otherwise I pretty much agree that Mir may have dove off into the deep end.

All the mind games in the world wont stop the beating Mir is destined to recieve on July 11th. No Mazaggati to save his life this time!

John— Here’s why training with Forrest makes sense: Mir wants to see Lesnar’s punches coming. He’s going to be looking to move. Sparring with Forrest is going to make Brock seem a lot slower (in terms of hand speed) on fight night. I’m sure Mir saw the Randy fight; he knows that if he even gets clipped, he’s going to fall.

You also have to keep in mind that sparring is not like an actual fight; nobody is looking to knock anyone out. You can’t really prepare for knockout power; you can just prepare to avoid it, by working on your head movement, footwork, etc…

And lastly, Forrest is not the only guy Mir is training with. I’m sure he’s wrestling with heavyweights, and sparring with fighters who have longer reach.

all great points

John,

How much are you betting on Brock?

I might drop $600 which is a lot for my cheap ass.

Since when has Forrest been renowned for having “fast hands”.

THis is a good deabte. I dont agree with everything being said, but all good points.

I know you dont want to KO your training partners in sparring. But to some extent, Mir has got to get used to tasting the power of brock. I just think he has to be mentally ready to take one of those shots…and thats where I dont see the value of Forrest’s pitty pat punches. IMO, Frank shouldnt concentrate too much on Brocks hand speed, he needs to learn how to deal with Brock’s reach, which is exactly what caught the master gamplanner Couture off balance and cause him to buckle.

He needs to be sparring with someone with Monkey arms like Kongo or tim Sylvia, Wes sims or with really long arms…problem is, I doubt any of those fighters would help Mir out!

I don’t know what O damn or John is talking about… O damn Mir is pbviously talking about sparring with Forrest in the standup not wrestling or BJJ!
and what he has to do to counter Lesnar and improve his own game which is more important than anything is bringing in someone like Forrest, with speed and technique cause that is what’s it’s ALL ABOUT, I know there are faster and more technical guys than Forrest but almost all HW’s are obviously slower than most LHW’s anyway with their size…

Im sure he spars with alot of different standup guys, but to train standup with guys like Tim Sylvia, Lashley, Carwin would do nothing to improve his standup cause those guys have no technique and they are all slow that would give him nothing!

and the secret to not taste Lesnar’s power is spelled DEFENSE and movement! not the type of defense that Wanderlei rolls with, leaving your chin exposed and eating punches with your face..

Rob the cagewriter article says he trains with big guys too; Forrest is just one of the smaller people he brought in. So, Mir IS training with the bigger guys; and you may not feel that he gains anything from that (which I don’t understand how you figure that one) but obviously Frank Mir and his trainers feel that it benefits him to train with some bigger guys.

And I don’t see how you figure Forrest Griffin is a better Wrestler than Carwin or Erikson. Frank would probably benefit from a little more aggression in his stand up, or he could go Tito Ortiz style and be ALL defense with absolutely NO offense and ZERO striking skills.

Maybe Frank could fake a back injury pull out of the fight, then he can spend the next two years or so not fighting while still doing interviews talking about how relevant he is in MMA and what a big star he is.

I just said that he didn’t train wrestling or BJJ with Forrest only standup… I do not see where i said anything about wresling… take a sec and chill!

Bigger guys with reach are of course good to spar (standup) with if they’re technical and fast we’re talking about pro boxers and real kickboxers not big Carwin’s or Lashley’s cause all they have is size and power and Mir is not that big guy with that power so he needs to concentate on how to avoid that power…
I think a big mistake ppl are making is that they concentrate too much on what the other guy is gonna do instead of improving their own game and thinking about what they’re gonna do…

haha fake a back injury? don’t be pathetic now…
since when did people start having major surgeries for fun?

and you think Tito should say no to doing interviews? He’s a star that’s why he’s doing interviews in the meantime while he’s recovering, blame MMA for having no names or no nothing instead of hating….
And how he speaks about signing for this or that org is how you handle your business, but since MMA is such a strange and small biz people won’t understand that..

You’re right, Tito’s not in a position to say “no” to any interview; he needs all the attention he can get as any sort of talk involving “Tito Ortiz” and “LHW Champion” has long since passed him by.

that is correct, everybody needs attention..

sure he may be the champ, but he only had to beat two people to become the champ, one being a 45 yr old man… not to mention this is the weakest division in the UFC, so maybe lesnar really isnt that good? well have to wait and see… i dont even really think mir is a big challenge either, lesnar needs to face a guy like gonzaga or carwin and then well really see what hes made of

I hear you but, I don’t know many people that are saying Lesnar is “unbeatable” or “a god” or “(in tears)the greatest man to ever grace us with his presence” like we say with Fedor.

It is what it is, and he is the HW champ. Any argument about the actual credibilty that holds is certainly up for debate, but you cannot argue with the title itself.

Anyway, I think we all get it. We know he’s not the best, but he is and will be a force in the HW division for sometime.

Mir won’t train with Carwin cause IF he wins Shane will probably be next…their bound to meet at some point in the near future whereas Lashly is still a couple of years away

True mcarthur

Ask Heath herring if he knows how to punch!

I’m sure Heath Herring knows how to punch.
Before the fight starts, that is…

No, ask Heath Herring if Brock Lesnar knows how to punch! I’m sure Herring can show you the scars to prove he can!

If Brock does not know “how to throw a punch”, as you say, then you prove my point. His incredible speed and size must make up for it, since he put Mir, Herring and Coutre on the canvass.
So, imagine the potential for a guy that apparently nobody thinks can fight, but is beating up some of the best in the game, and is still relying on his raw size and speed.
 
Look, I don’t really like defending Brock but, you can not deny the obvious (IMO).

Sarcasm, man.
I enjoy a good fight.

Stand up war = good
Throw in some clinch work & transitions = even better
Two guys with awesome jits, making the groundwork a chess match = I’m loving it.
If it goes the full 3-5 rounds = I can’t ask for more.

Bork usually ends up in the dryhump + hammerfist routine.

(…with the exception of when he was spanking Mir on the butt, instead of tapping… which was comical.)

I’ve seen it.
More than once.
It’s not pretty.

Make a list of the top 20 WELL ROUNDED fighters that you really enjoy watching. Do you put Bork on there?

My bad dude.

glancing shot? more like a temple shot..

nonetheless~ brockness does have power~ but

he has never put someone out with one punch..

aside from the temple shot delivered to randy, brock didnt have mir or heath in serious trouble from the "initial punch’ that knocked them down..

both mir and heath were VERY cohearent~

I disagree. Murr was in serious trouble before Il Moustache intervened on his behalf. And while Herring somehow managed to survive the full 15 minutes, he was for all intent and purpose finished after that first blast dropped him 3 seconds into the fight. Hell, Herring is a 250-pound grown-ass man and thqat punch sent him rolling all the way across the ring, except it was real, not a professional wrestling “sell.”

brockness didnt make him go that far~

heath clearly rolled with the punch as he hit the ground..

and mir wasn’t in immediate trouble either[ off the 1st punch]

the only fighter brock dropped with 1 punch and had in trouble was randy~ and he took it on the temple at 45 years of age and still wasn’t ko’d on the one punch~

when brock starts crippling peeps with one punch i will agree..

he has only finished one ufc fight~

mir and heath both took his gnp~ and also took punches standing~

lol

Mac Lashley train at ATT…no way i’ll go at Extreme Couture for now!

cool bro…didn’t know Lash was at ATT…maybe he’ll be ready for stiffer comp earilier than I thought

And Lesnar will get submitted again! And you think Lesnar doesn’t talk to much? C’mon now…

He really doesn’t talk to the press much.

He lives on a ranch in central Minnesota, not a whole lot of people around here know he’s in the UFC.

They just ask him about his time as a Gopher.

Nice guy.

He’s probably rooting for Ken Flo to destroy BJ. Adam G is a known Penn hater.

and John is a known Fedor hater…haha

and everyone here is a known guida lover~ haha

What do you guys think, is there enough love for this fight for it?!?!?? I think if Penn pts on a massacre then Sanchez/Penn NEEEDS a list for sure, but this one???? What do you guys think?

Terrible write up attakdog.. Still a good write up GP

Why was it terrible explain! All you’ve done on this thread socal is post anti-brock remarks and given no analysis whatsoever.