UFC 100 video: Frank Mir 'pounds the pads' for Brock Lesnar rematch

once a RNC is completely locked in it doesn’t matter how big your neck is…it might just take a few seconds longer

Best shape he’s ever been in by the look of it. Might see the emergence of a really bad ass Frank Mir in this fight. I’m still taking Brock to win though; it really doesn’t matter how much Frank Buff’s up, just about anyone is always going to be at a physical disadvantage going up against Brock.

He does look extra jacked-diesel!

I’m DRIVING the Mir bandwagon. People can down-play and give reasoning as to why the facts are misleading, but they are still FACTS.

1) Mir showed iron-clad fortitude by weathering a moderately savage beating from the MAN-BEAST that IS Lesnar, to come from behind with a definitive finish of his own.

2) Mir took on a living legend in Big Nog and proceeded to, in the words of Frank Lester, BASH HIS HEAD IN.

I agree that the only way Mir wins is via sub and as we saw in the last fight Brock can muscle his way out of most subs unless he is really dumb and hands it to Mir but like it was said a rear naked choke is game over no matter how big you are. With that said, Brock’s ground game/control is to much for Mir to be able to take his back and have time to sink it in.

I think Randy showed Brock is fightable (is that word). He showed that Brock can be clenched and rocked. If Mir can mirror that style and avoid the big or glancing blows he may have a chance in the later rounds for a sub. That is the big problem, can anyone avoid that one hit?
I am pulling for Mir to make Brock work for the belt this time!
Brock v Kongo
Brock v Cain

Just over a week to see Brock hit the ground crying again! I just can’t wait, I feel all giddy inside. :)

Brock vs Cain or Kongo? F that, I don’t care if he is a new comer still… Brock vs Carwin! I think Carwin would destroy both Cain and Kongo

would love if that happened but i think lesnar is too good for that, he’s strong enough that he doesnt have to completely put his neck under mir’s armpit to push down the takedown.

If Mir submits Lesnar, it will be with something less obvious.

The question is “if”.

Brock is not going to the ground. Murr will go to the ground every time Brock puts a 4XL fist in his face. The only submission that is remotely possible is Murr tapping from strikes.

He will tap from strikes!(Not a real prediction though…I just hope)

Nope. Mir will be knocked out cold.

I see Brock grabbing him and slamming him into the mat until Mir passes out.

Seriously.

Man when you said that I had a flashback of the big show fight that came to my mind(WWE)…the,one where he actually broke the ring!
Not exactly the same but how great,would that be if the octagon collapse,while Brock’s slamming Mur into the mat…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K30gm2OFhY

I dont get the hate for Lesnar? The “WWE” thing is lame, Franklin used to be a teacher. Nover used to be a nurse! Jon Jones is taking his time in fighting big name guys and so is Anthony Johnson. Lesnar didnt make us wait 1 or 2 years to see him fight quality opponents. So why so much hate?

for me its his arrogance and lack of respect for the fighters that built MMA…despite whether or not he could pummel them

that is exactly what i like about Lesnar! and the fun thing about it is that he does more for the sport than any of those dudes ever did… just look at the interest around him and the numbers they get when he’s performing!

true…to each his own

Oh mY GOd. I agree wuith JV…The end of the world is near! lol

Seriously though. GOod post JV. LIke u said, this guy dove right into the deep end and has been signing on the dotted line to fight big names to prove his worth. At this point I dont even look at Brock as a WWE star…he is a full time MMA fighter. YOU beat Randy Couture and Heath Herring (2 heavyweights with a world of mma experience)…THAT MAKES YOU AN MMA FIGHTER! Dont know many WWE superstars that can beat Randy n Herring in theOctagon. Brock is an MMA fighter. Get used to it haters!

I posted this last week, but I think its a GREAT POINT so I will post it again. There hasnt been a fighter in the history of mma, that has started off his career fighting nothing but Big Names like brock has been doing, and I gotta RESPECT THAT! Especially when you consider the fact that he has absolutely ZERO Amatuer mma experience. I challenge anyone to name 1 mma fighter to have fought better competition then Brock has in the first 5 fights of his mma career!

YOU dont have to be a fan of brock, but EVERYONE should respect the approach that he has taken. IMO he has been respectful in mma, and is hell bent on proving himself as a top mma fighter….and I gotta respect, and get behind that!

If any of you dont at least respect that, then PLEASE, name 1 fighter who has started off his mma career fighting tougher competition than Brock has in his 1st 5 fights. Can anyone name a fighter that has been thrown to the wolves (by choice) more so then Brock?

you tell me who has ever faced better competition in their 1st five fights then:

Pork Fried Rice
Mir (former champ)
Herring (tough SOB, world of experience, fought everyone
Couture (former champ/legend)
mir (former UFC champ)

that alone is impressive, but when you consider that he didnt have the luxury of having an amatuer career…It really makes what Brock has done, nothing short of remarkable! NOt my favorite fighter by any means, but I RESPECT THE FOCK OUT OF WHAT HE IS DOING!!!!

Excellent Post John. Those are some of the reason I like him.

thanks man!

I didn’t like the way he acted after the Herring fight. Even if Herring was talking shit, I don’t like to see 280lb grown min pointing and fake laughing like a 4-year-old. Handle yourself like a man.

It’s also hard for me to get behind a guy who is so much bigger than most of his opponents. I wish the HW class was split. I know that may not be practical now, but at some point I hope to see it.

Having said that, I respect the guys ability and work ethic. Afterall, I’m dropping a lot of money on him. But I can see where the hate comes from. He looks like the bully and has acted like it a few times.

He’s been pretty respectful as of late. I hope he continues down that road.

I think its VERY practical to split the HW division…not only would HW’s drop to 225 or so but possibly LHW’s would stay up there too…I think a division of 225ers is more practical than a new division of 195ers

Thats a fair post Punch. I listed the things I liked, but you definitly pointed out some things that bothered me as well, and like you said, I can understand why some people dont like him.

I never really liked guys that were so much bigger then the competition, for example: Tim sylvia…but those big guys like Sylvia that rely on size are all pussies at heart who survive soley on size…at least Brock has killer instinct. Its intruiging to watch him unleash his power! Hw division is changing and guys are getting HUge so, its not that bad anymore. Brock is a lot bigger then Mir, but after that, he will start facing guys close to his size and thats when it will get interesting.

I also didnt like his antics at the end of the Herring fight, but realistically, I cant really hold it against him if it continues to be an iscolated incidint. if it happens again, I will be pissed, but he was coming off of a BS loss to Mir that embarressed him, and he had a ton of pressure on him, not to mention it was in front of his home crowd, and all the “real UFC” fighters including Herring bashed him….so I will forgive him for that. He was respecful when he Ko’ed Couture to win the title…I think he will show a nice mix of being respectful and just a natural bad ass!

Punch, what’s your opinion of someone like GSP coming into a WW fight at about 190 pounds after his weight cut? Is it fair to say he relies very heavily on being bigger and stronger than his opponent as well? GSP certainly isn’t the only one, just making a point here.

Fair point PW…And,like john said It was comprehensible from brock’s part to reacted the way he did after his first W with the fact that he was in is hometown!Though Punch said it well also…he have been respectful as of late…unlike F*%king MURR!

as i said, Lesnar does more for the sport than anybody at HW and almost more than anyone in the UFC! he sells tickets and he creates alot of interest around the shizznit, so you could say that he’s giving the other boys more money!… Pushing someone in the back or laughing is cool with me i have no problem with those kinda things AT ALL and that’s b/c he’s doing it for fun, ppl need to relax and stop being so bitter, it gets the crowd fired up and it is a fight!…

but haters are always good to have, that means your good! and they are your fans too in a way cause they watch u fight and they give u even more publicity by always talking about you…

straight from the mouth of the biggest Tito fan I know ;)

What’s good maniacs?

John,

Brocks 1st fight was against a total can. Min Soon Kim I think his name is. Not to mention Brock out-weighed the guy by like 100lbs. Herrings abilities are subjective. Its just as easy to argue he’s mediocre as it is to argue he’s a real threat.

What about Randy’s initial forray into the UFC? He fought and beat Vitor Belfort & also Maurice Smith who was the champ at the time. Both guys were at the top of the MMA food chain too.

Lyoto fought BJ, Franklin & Bonnar in his 1st 6 fights.

BJ fought Caol Uno (world ranked), Jens Pulver (Champ) & Din Thomas in his 1st 5 fights.

If we take the time to look further I’m sure we’ll find other fighters with similar records.

But this is about Lesnar, right? The guy walks around at 290 lbs roughly, cuts to 265 and weiht about 280 come fight night. That’s the ONLY reason he’s been able to dominate and Ive yet to hear an arguement to sway me from that belief. Lesnar at 250 may still win fights but he’d have to actually deal with real adversity to do so.

Haha, talk about disrespect what about Murrs stupid ass Ecko Unlimited commercial where he states there are only 10 guys in the WORLD that could beat him in a given night… HAHAHAHA
Don’t get me wrong, I think Murr is a good fighter and is improving but what an arrogant ass clown!
The cunt smog isn’t just talking MMA, he is saying anyone in a street fight even if they had weapons like a bat. I got a funny feeling there are plenty of martial artists out there who would eat Murr alive in the street especially if they were wielding a bow staff or nun chucks and new how to use them. Pompous ass!

Here it is if you have not already seen it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htytozpXVS8

“To the death”

agreed…like the Fridge playin for the ‘85 Bears…wasn’t built like a running back, had no speed, no moves, no running back skkills what-so-ever, but still scored TD’s…that example a bit extreme but ya get my drift

According to your criteria OJR half the UFC roster can’t be considered “true” MMA fighters. When was the last time Chuck Liddell kimura’d someone or Demian Maia KO’d someone?? Are they not true MMA fighters?

K-Dog-

Chuck is a KO artist. Maia is a jits wiz.

Nothing “mixed” about that.

No, they are not “true” MMA fighters.

I know I am splitting hairs and/or coming across as elitist but that’s just the way I see it.

with chucks wrestling base~ and the fact his kisckboxing is[was] off the hook, i would have to disagree ojr!!

chuck is definitely a mma fighter..

being a pro in one aspect is great to have in mma~ chuck has 2.. wrestling and kickboxing..

just cause chuck liked to use his wrestling to defend td’s doesnt mean its not there..

maia, yeah! he needs more all around work.. but he can get there.

I count 5 maybe 6 “true” MMA fighters on the UFC books then according to your criteria.

Would Chuck have been able to win all his fights if he didn’t have a background in wrestling to help with his TD defence, so he coud keep it standing and KO his opponents? Does that not make him a “Mixed” martial artist?

You beat me to it stinky

If Chuck had a kickboxing base, I never saw it and I have been watching MMA for a bit now. He def has dynamite in his fists.

Having a great sprawl is not indicative of an all around wrestling background.

I can avoid punches and jabs very effectively but that does not make me a boxer.

Let me ask a question :

If you know a fighter can finish you in only ONE way, does that make him a true MMA fighter or just a great fighter?

You know my answer!

You’re on a loser here OJR! Just coz you can only KO somebody to win and not win by flying gogoplata triangle achilles lock doesn’t make you not a true MMA fighter.

You call Randy and Nog the only true HW mma fighters. When was the last time Randy Ko’d someone or submitted someone? When was the last time Big Nog scored a win via left high kick?? Why are they “true” mma fighters and guys like Brock, Carwin and Gonzagha aren’t????

Sanchez and Florian are probably my two favorite fighters because they can finish a fight at any time and from any position, so I really do appreciate the ‘mixed’ in mixed martial artist. I also think Lesnar is far more well-rounded and has much more skill than he gets credit for, as opposed to just being an overwhelming brute. We already know he’s an elite wrestler. Lesnar will also out-box Murr, he can ground and pound, and I’m sure he’s also worked pretty hard on sub defense. There are guys who have been training for 10 years that don’t have that aresenal.

PW-

Thanks. You get my point.

K-Dog-

“Why are they "true" mma fighters and guys like Brock, Carwin and Gonzagha aren’t????”

PW posted it perfectly …

“because they can finish a fight at any time and from any position”

Shrug

Straight from the guy who I started the debate with.

:)

I don’t think Brock will finish a fight via sub from his back, but good luck getting him there. Standing, top position or clinch against the cage, Brock can make anyone pray for a quick death.

yall sound crazy~

chuck not a kickboxer?? haha~ back in the day thats mostly what chuck used..imo~ one of the reason chuck fell off was cause he stopped mixing it up..maybe thats why u think that..

but back in the day~ chuck would wrestle and kickbox.. he just got dominant in his tdd and relied on his hands..

chuck is[was] definitely an all around mma fighter, no doubt.. watch some ufc before event/40~

plus~ the wand/chuck fight proved he still knows how to ‘mix it up’, and that he didn’t forget true mma..

like i said~

u NEED at least one dominate form of martial arts to have a good chance in mma! and then u train ur butt of at the rest, and work ur all around game..

chuck is[was] dominant in TWO martial arts, and knows and trains the rest.. that = a mma fighter to me…

if u think a guy who has only been subbed ONCE doesnt know jj, or when his tdd didn’t work, how fast he would get back up..

just cause chuck didn’t ‘mix it up’ late in his career, doesnt mean he isn’t an mma fighter~

I saw Chuck fight a long time ago vs. Noe Hernandez, a buddy of mine from MI. Back when the UFC was a glorified tough man competition.

That was when Chuck was a mean, lean killing machine.

That fight was all stand up from start to finish. Nothing else.

Vs. Wand? That’s weak, Stinky. He basically used that take down for points and not to implement any GnP.

I understand your argument but I don’t agree.

Chuck was a great KO artist with alot of sick power.

That’s it.

OJR you’re crazy today! Big Nog and Randy can finish a fight from any position? So couture can finish you from his back? That’s a real long shot! Big Nog can KO you standing up? Another long shot!

Gonzagha can finish off his back and KO you standing up, ask CC! Carwin has Ko power standing up and a brutal gnp, same as Brock. They have more chance of finishing you from any position than Nog or randy IMO.

Guys who are equally as good standing or striking are extremely rare, so just to label the GSP’s and Bj’s of this world as the only “true” MMA fighters is a poor argument.

bottom line is that they FIGHT under MMA rules!
I could pull submissions on anybody and knock them out, being an MMA fighter means that you’re doing it proffessionally and training all aspects of it.. not how you are at it